The Syndicate

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 6:10 pm srceenplay and Seanzie are my only townreads right now.

Why me?

Gira wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 2:56 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 2:43 pm

Gira wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 2:15 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 2:04 pm

Gira wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 1:21 pm i think the potential for forming a towncore with breaths is ~fine but discussion based solely on who you're townreading isn't as helpful because it's easier to blend in to. the game needs some amount of accusation and scumhunting to flow properly else it's too easy for people to fit in

i liked P#133 from S~V~S on my first pass of the game but beyond that not a whole lot jumped out to me

If it helps, I think this post is >rand!mafia.

hm, really, why's that?

IMO there wasn't actually any issue with people laying low by just giving townreads, so your post comes off as "I'm trying to look helpful, without actually really being helpful" (sometimes called CWAC). The last sentence looks like you felt like you needed to tack something on to make it look like you weren't just trying to derail the mech plan.

i fairly disagree with that assessment but this is likely owed to a difference in playstyle/philosophy - to me, there just wasn't a whole lot to go on so far and assigning townreads based on that doesn't move the game forward much at all. the primary reason for this is it's very easy for mafia to fake townreads (because they can always be 'correct') and it's an easier environment for mafia to fit in (faking accusations on people you know are innocent is harder)

i also felt the game had gotten off to a bit of a slow start and discussion where people are simply giving lists of names without much in the way of elaboration or discussion doesn't really move the needle for me at all and preferred conversations i'd find more readable

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 2:44 pm Which reads are bizarre, exactly?

your whole list of townreads are names where i'm not really sure why or how you are townreading them based on their current content - srceenplay had almost no posts and what content there was was mostly RVS silliness so having a townread there is very ??? to me

Instead of discouraging town reads, you can ask people ABOUT their townreads to get the content you say you desire.

and instead of asking me about them, you simply just call them bizarre and move on until I call you out on it? Regardless, I have no good reasons for my list of 3, aside from that's how I felt when looking at the list of names.

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 4:07 pm Meanwhile this vote makeup is wild

Why isn't anyone voting for me? I feel very left out.

So I realized that there is a glaring flaw in my mech plan, so let's scrap the whole "3 to BLAH, 3 to DEBLAH, 3 to BLAHDEBLAH".

However, it is good to try to funnel breaths all to the same place, so it'd still be good for people to give names of who they think should get breaths, and then I will likely select someone whose name shows up a lot to give my breath(s) to.

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 2:27 pm

Gira wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 2:22 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 2:18 pm weird vibes man lol

i mean, feel free to think that

i don't have a read on seanzie and so i'm questioning him because his reads so far this game are bizarre to me, never played with him so don't have a grasp of the playstyle at all

with you i actually think your vibes are decent so far, i'm not as worried about sorting you, hopefully i'm right and you'll realize i am town eventually, i feel like it should be clear enough once i get on a roll

seanzies out of his wolfrange lol


(this is kinda mean but at least close to true)

I have the highest win percentage on the site among people with +10 games, and my wolf win percentage is higher than my town win percentage. If I am busy, I can't wolf super great. Fortunately, I am busy right now, so yes, indeed busy!Sean is out of his wolfrange.

Gira wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 2:22 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 2:18 pm weird vibes man lol

i mean, feel free to think that

i don't have a read on seanzie and so i'm questioning him because his reads so far this game are bizarre to me, never played with him so don't have a grasp of the playstyle at all

with you i actually think your vibes are decent so far, i'm not as worried about sorting you, hopefully i'm right and you'll realize i am town eventually, i feel like it should be clear enough once i get on a roll

Which reads are bizarre, exactly?

Gira wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 2:15 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 2:04 pm

Gira wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 1:21 pm i think the potential for forming a towncore with breaths is ~fine but discussion based solely on who you're townreading isn't as helpful because it's easier to blend in to. the game needs some amount of accusation and scumhunting to flow properly else it's too easy for people to fit in

i liked P#133 from S~V~S on my first pass of the game but beyond that not a whole lot jumped out to me

If it helps, I think this post is >rand!mafia.

hm, really, why's that?

IMO there wasn't actually any issue with people laying low by just giving townreads, so your post comes off as "I'm trying to look helpful, without actually really being helpful" (sometimes called CWAC). The last sentence looks like you felt like you needed to tack something on to make it look like you weren't just trying to derail the mech plan.

Gira wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 1:21 pm i think the potential for forming a towncore with breaths is ~fine but discussion based solely on who you're townreading isn't as helpful because it's easier to blend in to. the game needs some amount of accusation and scumhunting to flow properly else it's too easy for people to fit in

i liked P#133 from S~V~S on my first pass of the game but beyond that not a whole lot jumped out to me

If it helps, I think this post is >rand!mafia.

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 12:23 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 12:12 pm

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 8:36 am @lucy to answer your plea honestly, the tl;dr of my mech post is this:

If you look like you’re about to be chopped, it’s best to give away your breath early in the game. If multiple town have been mischopped already, unless someone claims to have ~3 breaths and seems townread, I would just let your breath die with you.

Maybe.

I'll never give away my breath. Unless I did already.

PS I did. I have given it to the player who is a mechanical God and will understand how to utilize it mechanically better than I ever could

Thanks for the breath.

(note: this is a joke)

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 11:32 am I veto falcon and please explain how you can have even any level of townread on him here bc what.

sig and screen seem fine.

I don't see how you can have a scumread on him.

I have no read on Falcon, but I will eventually, so they're more of a choice to hedge bets -if we're going to give power to one person, it'd be good to give it to someone that always posts their rolecard in the thread by D2.

I vote

Sig
Screenplay
Falcon

for people to give breaths to.

Scotty wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 9:46 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 9:03 am Okay, mech time. We should be able to gain a strong advantage if we do the following:

1. Choose 3 people, top 3 towns, need to so this soonish.

2. Sort the remaining 11 players into groups of 3,4,4 and assign each group to a top town.

3. funnel all breaths into those top town.

4. on subsequent days, townies who have breaths may choose to give them all to someone else without disclosing who (to make it harder for mafia)

This does a few things:

1. very likely that at least one town will get the 1st power. This will out people who did not do the thing. 3p did not do the thing, and if mafia choose not to, they'd also be outed.

2. This should maximize our ability to use doc shots.

3. sure, it could go to mafia, but if there are multiple janitors, that'd be kind of outing.

1. Did you by chance read my mech post?

2. Your math is off- there’s only 13 players, but ok.

3. K

4. sure, though I still think claiming having breaths later creates yummy WIFOM.

I don’t mind this as a base strategy.
However, utilizing this philosophy in *finding* a top town today is dangerous. I almost would rather give randomly.

You know how some people are really good at interviewing for a prospective job only to be a subpar worker once hired? I feel similarly like some people can appear top town on D1 only to get bad breath on D2, if you get my drift.

Most of your mech talk was just reciting things from the setup. Your only plan that I saw was "give breaths if you're going to die... unless we're doing bad" which I think is better than no plan, but not better than my plan. If we don't actively create doc shots, I don't see how we're going to get doc shots. If we don't get doc shots, then meh. Mafia's guaranteed almost assuredly one janitor, so I'm not going to worry too much about giving them a second one, especially since that SHOULD be trackable.

Top town thing - meh. Who cares. If we really miss on all 3 "top town", then we kinda deserve to lose. If we give to one scum by accident because we're shooting for "top town", whatever, we lose one doc, but that still gives us two docs. Also pushing people to list their top 3 towns is pro-town. Gives good AI content. Don't think randomly choosing gives us any benefit that isn't outweighed by this.

Okay, mech time. We should be able to gain a strong advantage if we do the following:

1. Choose 3 people, top 3 towns, need to so this soonish.

2. Sort the remaining 11 players into groups of 3,4,4 and assign each group to a top town.

3. funnel all breaths into those top town.

4. on subsequent days, townies who have breaths may choose to give them all to someone else without disclosing who (to make it harder for mafia)

This does a few things:

1. very likely that at least one town will get the 1st power. This will out people who did not do the thing. 3p did not do the thing, and if mafia choose not to, they'd also be outed.

2. This should maximize our ability to use doc shots.

3. sure, it could go to mafia, but if there are multiple janitors, that'd be kind of outing.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 8:20 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Mar 15, 2023 7:31 amNeon/Nutella?

Nutella has not made an impression on me either way, she’s been mostly NAI. I was leaning town on Neon.

What are you seeing that I’m not?

Wolves.

Neon/Nutella?

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 8:33 pm Falcon probably is though.

No.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Mar 14, 2023 8:32 pmNah

Yeah.

Well, Nutella is a wolf.