The Syndicate

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 10:38 pm

Syn wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 10:37 pm if Mac is confirmed town, why is he in everyone's POE

tf is going on

Because everyone left alive are either me, trolls, slankers or neg uitl

I am a slanker. hardcore didn't get engaged until like D4, but I feel like I was pretty useful D5.

But those that are saying there are only 1 or 2 wolves alive are pretty much guaranteed to be flat out wrong. There are probably 3, possibly 2 (there were 8 wolves in the original setup, we have 4 wolves flipped. It seems likely when the game went from 30 players down to 26, at least one wolf was removed. Less likely but possible, two wolves were removed. The only possible way that there is only 1 wolf left is if one of the people we voted was the seemer, but that seems extremely unlikely at this point. Much more likely is that we haven't flipped the seemer, in which case there are either 3 wolves left (if 3 town roles were removed, and 1 wolf role was removed) or less likely 2 wolves left (if 2 town roles were removed and 2 wolf roles were removed).

We should check Mac's story, but if that is un-countered, I feel good about it. I do remember talk of the scion moving around, so that role should be here.

Everyone seems to have Esooa in their PoE, which makes me worry about that.

Guillo has been super intense and Nutella seemed to think they were outed based on their night post two nights ago, but I don't see it, and Guillo pushed pretty hard on Grogu earlier than everyone else did. Maybe distancing, maybe just guillo seeing wolves where it took the rest of us longer to see.

Jack has been a bit meh. He looked good in his post spurt yesterday, pushing for a Grogu yeet, but this was after I think most of town was already there, so idk how much credit that is worth.

Epi has done nothing, isn't caught up. He is scumreading me hard. Idk if it is genuine or not, probably not at this point just considering the density of wolves.

Is that everyone? wow, okay, game small now.

So, three wolves there, if I had to guess, I'd say {Esooa, Epi, Jack}.

If I would have been the first to answer about hero shooting, I would have said Esooa, trusting some fallen camrades but at this point idk, I'm scared because of how many people are intersecting on Esooa.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 5:45 am Alright. Now that the derpy wolf is finally gone.

The plan for tomorrow if the wolves don't soup kill us all should be as follows:

Day 6

1) Falcon comes back and day vigs the 3P. This way we eliminate an anti-town party and remove from the equation 112's peace of mind that she would never get yeeted because LQ's invincibility condition should she die first.

2) We pressure 112 in outing reads, specially those who she thinks are the remaining wolves because so far I'm unimpressed, she's been sitting too comfortable riding on LQs blackmail to us "if you kill her I become unkillable". If she does not cooperate, we lynch her. This will also help us in decreasing the wolves numbers they need to reach parity.

All of this while we make our best efforts to role fake claim so wolves are forced to have to guess to soup kill us and failing to do so.

Day 7

Whoever is left alive yeets Esooa and we win and I say Esooa because I believe she is the remaining scum.

Besides Esooa I still suspect Nutella and Macdougall.

Towncore is still: Daisy, KZA, Epi, Jack and Seanzie.

This is my legacy, if I die, I'm confident that following this plan will lead us to victory.

My legacy is that we absolutely should not follow Guillo's plan. At this point, I think it is a safe bet that we haven't flipped the seemer, so we've only bagged 3 wolves. Meaning that we need to kill 2-3 more (NOT counting 112) to win. If we waste our two kills tomorrow on 112 and LordQuas, that essentially dooms us because I doubt we could survive to D8 (necessary if there are 2 non-112 wolves) or D9 (necessary if there are 3 non-112 wolves) after following Guillo's plan.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 17, 2021 8:08 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Feb 17, 2021 8:04 pm

KZA wrote: ↑Wed Feb 17, 2021 8:01 pm Well 112 is literally just a wolf. A survivor that counts for wolf parity. And Quas will wolfside if we chop her so idk the play there

We ignore 112, it is our only chance. There are like 3-4 wolves left, no way we survive long enough to win if we spend a day yeeting 112.

Who are the 4 wolves in a 4 wolf world?

Idk. I am feeling pretty confident about Grogu, but then my solve splits pretty hard after that. There seem to be two possible worlds.

One where KZA and Esooa are wolves, another where you and Guillo are wolves.

Mac or Epi I could see being a wolf in either of the two groups, with I think a slightly larger chance of Mac.

I have some tinfoil that Nutella could be wolfing with that first group, but that is not something I am going to seriously consider or talk more about until tomorrow at the earliest (assuming Nutella and I are still alive).

KZA wrote: ↑Wed Feb 17, 2021 8:01 pm Well 112 is literally just a wolf. A survivor that counts for wolf parity. And Quas will wolfside if we chop her so idk the play there

We ignore 112, it is our only chance. There are like 3-4 wolves left, no way we survive long enough to win if we spend a day yeeting 112.

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Tue Feb 16, 2021 11:47 pm of not him then 112. like odk how or why we keep the known wolf alive. them just slanking and doing 0 except to vote where ever it is convient.

I think at this point, town only have a very low chance of winning, and I don't think we have time to vote 112. It does seem like they are wolf-siding at this point (or maybe just null-siding), but we just don't have the luxury of voting them today since at this point, pretty much all our paths to victory involve winning with 112 alive.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Feb 16, 2021 11:07 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Feb 16, 2021 11:06 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Feb 16, 2021 11:04 pm Why would seanzie poke holes in grogu's story if they were mafia teammates


No. Epi is just openwolfing

Vote guillo @KZA @Esooa @Seanzie @DaisyCloud

How are you not voting Grogu right now? The case on him is pretty overwhelming.

i disagree

How do you make sense of him changing story then?

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Feb 16, 2021 11:04 pm Why would seanzie poke holes in grogu's story if they were mafia teammates


No. Epi is just openwolfing

Vote guillo @KZA @Esooa @Seanzie @DaisyCloud

How are you not voting Grogu right now? The case on him is pretty overwhelming.

Grogu wrote: ↑Tue Feb 16, 2021 10:32 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Feb 16, 2021 9:45 pm

Grogu wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 12:56 am Just got word. My fears happened and I feel like shit.
KZA is town, I am only saying this as a fact but not mechanically. I do not have a check on her.
I did receive a message telling me I had two shots of my role.
This was shortly after thread close and I was long gone.
I have asked to use it tonight or now since I wasn’t aware.
This has been denied. I go hide in a dark hole with my girl now. I have lost this game for us, I should have never had this role. Please don’t flame me, I was way over my head and I’m getting nasty looks already. I’m going to enjoy my last night with wifey, good night all. I am very sorry

Grogu "just got word" that he had two NA's. This was after like 20-30 posts into D5. I don't think Grogu would have gone that long into D5 and not noticed a message. Grogu is backtracking here.

[VOTE: Grogu] aubergine

Lies!
I got word I couldn’t use my two nas. Don’t do this.
You are putting words in my mouth. This is not nice.

Grogu wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 11:41 pm

KZA wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 11:21 pm Grogu you only had 1 check?

Yes

Grogu wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 11:49 pm

KZA wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 11:40 pm I targeted Chardonnay the night he claimed he got a red on Grogu. I targeted Grogu yesterday and he only comes back with 1 check.

Are they both Mafia?

Lot of thinks could happen. Your role might not work with my role? I submitted one check. How would I know I could submit two? I just checked back in. Maybe I get extra tonight?

No way Grogu saw the message from LC at the beginning of D5 (which is what he is now claiming after I pressured him about this), decides to fake redcheck on Guillo, then when ASKED IF HE HAD ONLY ONE CHECK says yes, then AFTER KZA pressures him about it suggests that KZA's role might not work with his role, and asks how he would know he could submit two?

Nah.

Grogu wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 12:56 am Just got word. My fears happened and I feel like shit.
KZA is town, I am only saying this as a fact but not mechanically. I do not have a check on her.
I did receive a message telling me I had two shots of my role.
This was shortly after thread close and I was long gone.
I have asked to use it tonight or now since I wasn’t aware.
This has been denied. I go hide in a dark hole with my girl now. I have lost this game for us, I should have never had this role. Please don’t flame me, I was way over my head and I’m getting nasty looks already. I’m going to enjoy my last night with wifey, good night all. I am very sorry

Grogu "just got word" that he had two NA's. This was after like 20-30 posts into D5. I don't think Grogu would have gone that long into D5 and not noticed a message. Grogu is backtracking here.

[VOTE: Grogu] aubergine

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Feb 16, 2021 9:33 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Feb 16, 2021 9:27 pm Grogu idk about. For some reason, most of the day I've been convinced that the Seemer must be in {Grogu, Chard}, but the more I think about it, in the universe that Grogu is scum, is there any real reason to think that Grogu is Seemer? Grogu didn't CC cop until essentially being heavily pressured after Chard's claim, right? That is something that any scum role would do (it would be different I think if Grogu claimed first, because then if scum!grogu lost the claim battle, they could flip as cop and we would be here trying to figure out Chard today). Why is this relevant? Well, it is pretty obvious that somehow Grogu didn't know he had two NA's until well into today, after he had been posting for a while. What sort of lunatic doesn't see that they have those big red bubbles saying they have a message when they first get on the forum? At first, this seemed NAI because Grogu would have seen this as either Seemer or cop, and so I thought Grogu just literally derped... but since Grogu doesn't need to be Seemer... there are two possible wolf roles Grogu could be that DON'T have NA's! As such, I'mma say that it seems really likely that Grogu is just lying, and didn't get a message from LC, because Grogu is either Solus or Morlun.

strongly disagree with this line of thinking

i think grogu's story about missing the pm until he'd been in thread is just real regardless

But he didn't just miss it until he'd been in the thread. He missed it for QUITE a while after being in the thread iirc. Like, multiple posts, even after Grogu rescinded the Guillo-check, I think he still didn't "know" he had a message from LC giving him two NAs. Lemme go check to make sure, but this is how I remember it.

Grogu wrote: ↑Tue Feb 16, 2021 9:09 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Feb 16, 2021 9:08 pm In Bike, Seanzie had 176 posts across three game phases and 60 pages. I was bad and I recall Seanzie on my ass.

Here? Nothing. 133 posts across five game phases and 157 pages. Night and day.

That’s irrelevant. Life happens and people are busy

It's actually more like I've never played a game with more than 13 people, and I was in the middle of a 17er that I could barely handle when this game started, and I didn't even know this game started until N1, so I have been playing catchup while not having enough time to dedicate to both games, and also have been mostly lost the entire time since I barely read any of D1, and only a little of D2-D4. I've read all of D5 though (the 17er ended, so I've had more time, also the number of players is actually tractable now).

Anyways, I have some thoughts.

I think in general I believe Daisy, but I have some tinfoil about her revolving around some stuff earlier today that I'd like resolved eventually, but for now, I think KZA has a point that Daisy looks good in some ways.

Grogu idk about. For some reason, most of the day I've been convinced that the Seemer must be in {Grogu, Chard}, but the more I think about it, in the universe that Grogu is scum, is there any real reason to think that Grogu is Seemer? Grogu didn't CC cop until essentially being heavily pressured after Chard's claim, right? That is something that any scum role would do (it would be different I think if Grogu claimed first, because then if scum!grogu lost the claim battle, they could flip as cop and we would be here trying to figure out Chard today). Why is this relevant? Well, it is pretty obvious that somehow Grogu didn't know he had two NA's until well into today, after he had been posting for a while. What sort of lunatic doesn't see that they have those big red bubbles saying they have a message when they first get on the forum? At first, this seemed NAI because Grogu would have seen this as either Seemer or cop, and so I thought Grogu just literally derped... but since Grogu doesn't need to be Seemer... there are two possible wolf roles Grogu could be that DON'T have NA's! As such, I'mma say that it seems really likely that Grogu is just lying, and didn't get a message from LC, because Grogu is either Solus or Morlun.

Outside of that, my reads are something like this:

KZA
Esooa
Daisy

Nutella
Mac
Guillo
Jack
Epi

Grogu

Quas
112

Re: Daisy tinfoil - I still don't get why Daisy was asking about which roles would know if they were visited. This seems sus, and I didn't understand her explanation, but I think there are other reasons to think Daisy is just town, assuming I'm not really misunderstanding something.

Also, light Mac tinfoil - Mac looked SOOO much like they were rolefishing earlier today. I think KZA also commented on this. I hope y'all are right about them, because it gave me super bad vibes.

KZA wrote: ↑Tue Feb 16, 2021 2:26 pm Sorry about Chard I think hes real I really didnt see a world where I get roleblocked and I'm kind of tilted now

[VOTE: Grogu] aubergine

Why were you so concerned about having been redirected if you weren't concerned about having been roleblocked?

@DaisyCloud, why were you concerned about if some roles could know if they were targeted or not?

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 12:39 am @Seanzie sorry for the ping. but you seem to be the only one listening to me and not simply reacting or brushing me off or attacking me.


okay so on specific nites chard and grogu and Guillotine lied about their supposed nite actions and their results or lack of nite actions and results.

I can't talk to the dead so we can table chard. it's fine

but with pressure from me grogu and Guillotine continue to lie.

Daisy, which nights do you think Grogu lied?

KZA wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 1:05 am Okay I wasn't really understanding how my role works and was paranoid about my theory being wrong because of some mechanic I didn't consider

that's it

Can you specify further what LC said about how your role can be messed with? Idk if copy-paste is allowed, but if not, a careful paraphrasing?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 12:46 am hit us with it seanzie

I'm starting to really doubt KZA, and possibly Grogu. I think it is very possible that Chard was the real cop.

Daisy's info on Chard doesn't prove anything since Chard claimed to strongarm the night that Daisy thought Chard was lying.

KZA on the other hand has softed SpiderPunk as the reason why KZA knew Chard was lying, and KZA's previous posts don't jive well with this.

KZA wrote: ↑Sat Feb 13, 2021 9:08 pm ahh nvm I got clarification from host on my powers and my theory could be wrong if I got messed with last night

KZA wrote: ↑Sat Feb 13, 2021 9:09 pm @Made did you move me at all last night?

Spiderpunk's ability is a DAY ability. I don't see how it could have been messed with at night. Just think about the logistics: KZA uses her ability on Chard D3, meaning LongCon would have to message the person who KZA used it on at the BEGINNING OF N3 to let them know they could do two actions. How could this be messed with at the END of N3 (when N4 actions are processed) when the people who were granted the doubleshot had to USE the doubleshot before the end of N3?

I don't really get how Grogu fits into this since KZA saying Grogu should have two NA's today and Grogu not knowing that seems weird if they are wolves, but like... something fishy is going on here.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 12:43 am @nutella can you walk me through how Guillo outed themselves last night? If you already explained it, sorry. I don't know what the lie is though, and I am think I am close to figuring something out, but I need to make sure I have all the facts.

Nah, but I think I'm close to figuring out who it is.

@nutella can you walk me through how Guillo outed themselves last night? If you already explained it, sorry. I don't know what the lie is though, and I am think I am close to figuring something out, but I need to make sure I have all the facts.

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 12:34 am nvm I guess seemer could choose a role that isn't in this game

I saw seemer is the deception one too

are there other mafia prs that can fuck with checks?

Bora - Janitor kill, you receive the role. Each night choose a target, that player’s role will deceive them if possible

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 12:32 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 12:29 am

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 12:25 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 12:17 am

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 12:13 am

Grogu wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 12:11 am

KZA wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 12:08 am

I am in tears wtf is this game

Super hot date indeed. I was supposed to die, I was told there was no way I get saved. Why would I even submit? Had I been back maybe I’ll submit or even post in the night. I am sorry.

you are not town.

Daisy, how does this make sense if Chard is the seemer?

been trying to remember what all i did far as my nite actions goes and how they may or may not effect players, specifically chard, grogu, and Guillo.

chard is dead. so not 100% sure and I can't ask. so imma assume they lied about a specific detail in one of their nite actions.



what grogu said about his nite actions is a lie. and so is Guillotine's.


I think if you believe what I claimed earlier in game or what MacDougall or was it nutella said about my role then you should see what I'm talking about.

You should be able to look at your message history with LongCon to see exactly what actions you submitted.

I did. I told you I would, once you told me when nite 2 was.

chard lied about nite 2. idk y. most likely because they are seemer.

regardless it doesn't matter because they are dead.

grogu and Guillotine are lying.

I will thunderdome with Guillotine specifically if needed. or grogu. idc. both are wolves together

:/ Daisy info doesn't say anything about Chard. Chard claimed to strongarm check Daisy N2, so this wouldn't be affected by Daisy.

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 12:25 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 12:17 am

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 12:13 am

Grogu wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 12:11 am

KZA wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 12:08 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 12:07 am

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 12:07 am I literally can't read grogu's post. it's blurry and the blue clashes with the dark grey/blackish background. what did he say?

he said he failed to make an action cuz he was partying, he lied about having a red on guillo lol

I am in tears wtf is this game

Super hot date indeed. I was supposed to die, I was told there was no way I get saved. Why would I even submit? Had I been back maybe I’ll submit or even post in the night. I am sorry.

you are not town.

Daisy, how does this make sense if Chard is the seemer?

been trying to remember what all i did far as my nite actions goes and how they may or may not effect players, specifically chard, grogu, and Guillo.

chard is dead. so not 100% sure and I can't ask. so imma assume they lied about a specific detail in one of their nite actions.



what grogu said about his nite actions is a lie. and so is Guillotine's.


I think if you believe what I claimed earlier in game or what MacDougall or was it nutella said about my role then you should see what I'm talking about.

You should be able to look at your message history with LongCon to see exactly what actions you submitted.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 12:23 am @DaisyCloud i need the rest of your actions plz

Agreed.

KZA wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 12:20 am I mean it's probably more likely he's just Mafia I have no idea why he would default to a fake red if he actually didn't submit one

What is the working theory here? Chard and Grogu were both wolves? or?

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 12:13 am

Grogu wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 12:11 am

KZA wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 12:08 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 12:07 am

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Mon Feb 15, 2021 12:07 am I literally can't read grogu's post. it's blurry and the blue clashes with the dark grey/blackish background. what did he say?

he said he failed to make an action cuz he was partying, he lied about having a red on guillo lol

I am in tears wtf is this game

Super hot date indeed. I was supposed to die, I was told there was no way I get saved. Why would I even submit? Had I been back maybe I’ll submit or even post in the night. I am sorry.

you are not town.

Daisy, how does this make sense if Chard is the seemer?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 11:59 pm anyone else find it odd that there has been no town crier action for the past two evenings?

Is town crier Spider Pig? Were there messages from Spider Pig N1 and N2?

So one thing really bothers me. If Chard was Seemer, Chard should have known they were targeted by KZA (not necessarily by KZA, but by KZA's role) since Seemer has a NA, and thus should have been able to use it twice N3.

KZA wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 11:57 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 11:56 pm KZA, were you worried about giving Grogu two actions after Chard's flip? Did you rethink it at all after seeing the flip, before you submitted? Just curious.

I have to submit my target before the day ends. I went with Grogu on the off chance he's real and didn't die.

Okay, thanks. That's exactly what I wanted to hear.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 11:56 pm KZA, were you worried about giving Grogu two actions after Chard's flip? Did you rethink it at all after seeing the flip, before you submitted? Just curious.

@KZA, sorry, forgot to perform the summoning ritual.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 11:56 pm

Grogu wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 11:54 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 11:52 pm I didn't get any message about two actions but I also don't have a role that it would function on either

How would that work? I didn’t check in the thread until just now when thread was opened. If I had a second check after thread is open and I see who died isn’t that broken?

you'd get told you could double act and then you'd get two checks

@Grogu presumably you'd be told via a PM from LongCon.

KZA, were you worried about giving Grogu two actions after Chard's flip? Did you rethink it at all after seeing the flip, before you submitted? Just curious.

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 11:48 pm

KZA wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 11:47 pm

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 11:46 pm

KZA wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 11:44 pm And now Daisy is corroborating they could both be fake via mech

you shouldn't say stuff like this. I'm town. you are rude.

I miss seanzie

I said you were providing supporting evidence to the same theory I had.

Sorry if there was a misunderstanding.

oh. I, I don't think I know what corroborating means exactly

corroborate means to agree with, or to confirm or give support.

KZA was saying that your claims corroborate her claims about Grogu and Chard.

KZA wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 11:46 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 11:45 pm

KZA wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 11:44 pm And now Daisy is corroborating they could both be fake via mech

Just curious, who did you target N1 and N2?

Mac N1, Made N2

Mac, can you corroborate this? A simple yes or no would suffice.

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 11:46 pm

KZA wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 11:44 pm And now Daisy is corroborating they could both be fake via mech

you shouldn't say stuff like this. I'm town. you are rude.

I miss seanzie

Daisy, I think you read KZA wrong there, KZA is saying you and them agree. Not being rude.

KZA wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 11:44 pm And now Daisy is corroborating they could both be fake via mech

Just curious, who did you target N1 and N2?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 11:43 pm something doesn't stack up lol

Agreed...

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 11:37 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 11:35 pm

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 11:31 pm seanzie i also I need to know what grogu's supposed nite actions have been.

Grogu checked Nanook N1, Omega N2, me N3 and Guillo N4.

okay okay. thank you ♡

chardonnay is seemer. and both Guillotine and grogu are lying.

Can you explain how you know this? This is a pretty big claim.

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 11:31 pm seanzie i also I need to know what grogu's supposed nite actions have been.

Grogu checked Nanook N1, Omega N2, me N3 and Guillo N4.

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 11:29 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 11:28 pm

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 11:22 pm

i know stuff seanzie help me understand roles since you the only one trying to help me sort out nite stuff and roles

I'm trying to help. I thought I answered your questions. What else do you need help with?

I don't think there is a role that does this. but is there a role that gets info on people who do their nite actions on them?

There are some roles that get some info. Are you looking for a town role or a scum role?

Seemer knows when they are targeted, and knows what information was given, but it doesn't sound like they know WHO targeted them (could be wrong).

Some town roles can deduce certain things when targeted, for example assassin can tell if they were targeted by a wolf because they reload.

What specific info are you curious about?

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 11:28 pm I'm about to yeet 2 people. yolo

I strongly recommend you slow down. What was your info on Chard?

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 11:22 pm

i know stuff seanzie help me understand roles since you the only one trying to help me sort out nite stuff and roles

I'm trying to help. I thought I answered your questions. What else do you need help with?

Okay, Grogu has returned to the thread, which means it's KZA's turn to speak.

KZA, what was your mech reason to believe Chard was lying?

Also, Daisy, please explain your reason to believe Chard was lying as well. I've answered your questions, so please answer.

Stop! Grogu elected me town leader last night. I don't care if Grogu is scum or town, and I don't care that I am literally the least qualified person in the thread to take this role up, but TOO BAD!

I am town leader now, and here is what we are going to do:

First, we're all going to stop just OMGUSing each other. It is HIGHLY unproductive, derailing the thread and actual wolf hunting, and exactly what the wolves want.

Second, we are going to give KZA a little space. KZA said they would reveal their info once Grogu has said who they checked last night. If KZA does not reveal this info after that, we should definitely yeet them. If Grogu does not come back into the thread, then that is also a pretty bad sign.

Third, we are going to let Daisy explain what Daisy is trying to explain. Chard claimed a green-check on Daisy, so IF Daisy has an ironclad mech reason to not believe Chard, then REGARDLESS OF DAISY's alignment, we can assume Chard was a wolf.

Fourth, we are going to be civil as we mercilessly hunt down the remaining wolves and kill them in as painful of a manner as we possibly can.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 10:57 pm

chardonnay wrote: ↑Sat Feb 13, 2021 7:51 pm Just flip gtogu lol

chardonnay wrote: ↑Sat Feb 13, 2021 7:47 pm I am the cop and my red check on groggy is legit. I was hoping that the cover established between daisy, kza, Mac and I that even if I don't get grogu flipped I cpuld atleast get another check tonight.

I didnt want to end this day phase on grogu bc i was afriad it was too obvious and scum would janitor me. Esp if he wasn't getti g traction

I didnt have n1 result.

N2 I got a green chevk on Daisy. I used the one shot ablity that bypasses blocks and crap. So she's 100% town

Last night i got a red check on grogu

Why are these posts ignored by nutella, Esooa, and KZA?

They weren't ignored, at least not by KZA, the second post is what led KZA to realize there is a mech reason to doubt Chard.

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 10:52 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 10:51 pm

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 10:26 pm I have reason to believe chardonnay lied. and you guys should be thinking chard is seemer. I think.

I need to read what I missed.

question and such,, i don't really understand the game mechanics but is there rolewise such role that someone can learn something about a player if something was done to them by that someone?

Can you give your reason to believe Chard lied?

I'm not sure. depends on when was nite 2.

Night 2 started Monday, February 8th and ended Tuesday, February 9th (These dates are given in Eastern time - UTC -05:00). Can you give your reason now?

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 10:51 pm I think chardonnay tried to pocket me and it almost worked because I think I messed up days of the week with what wrre the nites in game.

is there a role if an action is done to them by another player they would know that person's role?

There are certain circumstances where someone could deduce the person's role, but no, no general role that does that.

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 10:26 pm I have reason to believe chardonnay lied. and you guys should be thinking chard is seemer. I think.

I need to read what I missed.

question and such,, i don't really understand the game mechanics but is there rolewise such role that someone can learn something about a player if something was done to them by that someone?

Can you give your reason to believe Chard lied?

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 10:45 pm

could someone please answer my questions? thank you

Can you restate your question? I read it, but I wasn't sure exactly what you were asking?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 10:30 pm Can someone summarize why Chardonnay was lynched and Grodrool was left alive?

The biggest reason is that KZA claims to have a mech reason why Chard's claimed checks couldn't have happened. Daisy apparently also has some reason (but this was only just mentioned now).

Sorry you have limited time, but I can understand that there might be universes where it makes sense for KZA to wait to hear from Grogu before giving their reasoning. If KZA doesn't produce reasoning eventually today, my vote will probably end up there tbh.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 10:22 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 10:20 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 10:11 pm

KZA wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 10:07 pm [VOTE: Guilo] aubergine

@Grogu tell us your check

What check fool! Chardonay was the cop!

How do you know Chard was the cop, and not possibly seemer? Your case last night doesn't really say why Grogu is scum, it kind of just assumes Grogu is scum, and makes a bunch of implications off that.

I especially didn't like your reference to me in your case. "Seanzie playing for the wolves now. Mafia have him under their control." This feels to me like you want to scare me into believing you without thinking critically about it, which I don't think looks good.

I made a case during the night. Read it.

I trust in the flip. You guys been hunting for the seemer and you want to believe that we yeeted a wolf because you don't want to admit you've been WRONG! First it was G-man, he was the seeemer, then now is Chard, who is next? Me? You?

I DID read your case. You DID NOT address Chard or the Seemer at all. Your whole case is based on the presupposition that Esooa and Grogu are wolves. Esooa strong-defending Grogu could be wolfy, sure, but I've also seen town do that sort of stuff. You say you trust in the flip, but why? Seemer exists, right? How are you so confident in the flip with this in mind? I'm NOT saying that Chard is DEFINTELY seemer, but it is a possibility we need to consider before blindly yeeting Grogu.

Made was the only one who thought G-man might be seemer, and I honestly have no idea why he thought that when DoO literally told us that wasn't the case, and we have no reason to doubt DoO.

I don't WANT to believe anything, All I want to do is figure out what is going on. Part of that is keeping an open mind to different possibilities. Your mind seems to be completely closed to certain possibilities, and I don't see you having a reason why that is the case you made. Do you even care about what KZA has to say? Because from my perspective, it looks like you WANT to believe that Grogu is wolf (or maybe you want everyone else to believe it), and even though there is clearly information that needs to be heard before anyone except maybe KZA or a wolf could have an informed opinion on if Grogu is town or scum.

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Feb 14, 2021 10:16 pm am i gonna have to spell it out

Please do.