The Syndicate

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jan 15, 2022 9:58 pm If I was her partner I'd have just bussed tbh

Nah. Mac/Alison don't plan to bus in this setup. By the time you could have, it was much too late. You were too committed to me after the night.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jan 15, 2022 9:57 pm Alison didn't go to Seanzie until after I did. I'm sorry but if I was mafia and I'm already voting Creature with t!Wilgy I just push Creature and Alison crosses for self pres. Also Falcon would have been more inclined to vote Creature than Seanzie. Objectively makes no sense for me to do what I do as her partner and all of her play is designed to make me look as bad as possible.

This completely ignores everything that happened early D2 and skips right to the end.

You and Alison ignoring me after me fighting you two for 6 hours and both of you committing to flaccid scumreads of me would have been weird.

Falcon only made that post about Creature right near EoD, after you were AFK.

You treated her with kids gloves all day, didn't consider her at all, you and her tried to powerwolf and failed.

Your Fext progression was crap and wolfy af. No way you make 3 posts suggesting a strong flip on your read on Fext, but then plant on there for almost 24 hours without trying to make waves in the thread over it.

Your attitude coming into D2 seeing Alison the top wagon over me strongly suggested you/Alison are partners. When I engaged with you and Alsion, you both were forgetting to engage with eachother because you both needed to push me/defend yourselves from me. After that night in order to bus, you would either have to admit that your pushes on me were total crap (which they were), or you'd be more-or-less outing.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Jan 15, 2022 9:31 pm I kind of think Mac's right, and it's DrWilgy.

I think Mac is strongly positioning to try to get me miselimed, further pointing at Mac just being mafia,

But I'll entertain. What reason is there to townread Mac or scumread Wilgy?

Thanks for the ghostvote Mac;)

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jan 15, 2022 9:19 pm @DrWilgy @Seanzie I believe one of you is mafia. I believe the NK spews it more likely to be Seanzie. Wilgy why do you feel like "it can only be mac"? Why would I ever kill Falcon?

I'm assuming one of these questions is for me since you pinged me.

Why wouldn't you kill Falcon? He was widely townread all game, and especially clear after EoD. Plus... now you've got a (false) narrative to push.. that you really want to push... because you have so far failed to explain why you scumread me.

I also am almost like 98% to "it can only be Mac". Why aren't you asking me?

@MacDougall

Please present your case if you have one when you have a chance. If you truly believe we need to re-evaluate, I will listen to your thoughts, but from my perspective, I have 3 people that I feel good about and one strong scumread, so at least for me, the onus is on you to change my mind and other people's minds. I'll be waiting.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Jan 15, 2022 8:31 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jan 15, 2022 8:30 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Jan 15, 2022 8:28 pm Also, the only argument for Mac being mafia is the quality of his D1 play in a setup that demands strong play throughout. It was almost unforgivable for me which is why I went at him pretty hard yesterday, but in terms of actually reads, I didn't scum read Mac after the day he said I'm an annoying little shit who is much worse at the game than Alison (paraphrasing)
I kindly disagree.
This your scum meta

I am so far out of my scum meta it is funny, but you do you man.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Jan 15, 2022 8:28 pm Also, the only argument for Mac being mafia is the quality of his D1 play in a setup that demands strong play throughout. It was almost unforgivable for me which is why I went at him pretty hard yesterday, but in terms of actually reads, I didn't scum read Mac after the day he said I'm an annoying little shit who is much worse at the game than Alison (paraphrasing)

I kindly disagree.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Jan 15, 2022 8:25 pm I wanted to out my legacy yesterday, but I felt like it was too risky EoD, specifically with creature holding EoD hostage.

You can share thoughts now if you want.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jan 15, 2022 8:16 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jan 15, 2022 8:14 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jan 15, 2022 8:13 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jan 15, 2022 8:12 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jan 15, 2022 8:10 pm I am most definitely not mafia so I encourage the town to consider carefully. At least this game gets to f3 so we don't have to solve it right now.

Axe is the only person I am confident on being town. Alison and her partner would have been in anti spew yesterday.
Why are you confident in town!Axe?

If you could choose the next two chops, would would they be and why?
Ask better questions.
Why are you confident in town!Axe?

If you could choose the next two chops, would would they be and why?
The fact that you think the first question needs answering is not a good look for you. Alison would have subbed out if Axe played the way he has with her as his teammate.

The second question is absurd to ask because full re-evaluation is required.

personally I think this is not a good look for you. I'm trying to give you a chance to explain yourself so that if you are town you can be found, but it really doesn't seem like you want to explain yourself.

this is actually a fair assessment of Alison, but I'd really rather hear thoughts about the game, not meta reads on dead players.

uhh... why do you think I'm asking you this question? **Seanzie ask's Mac's thoughts** **Mac refuses to give thoughts because re-evaluation is necessary?** The question is not absurd. If you need to re-evaluate, do it. Then answer the question so I can evaluate you.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jan 15, 2022 8:13 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jan 15, 2022 8:12 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jan 15, 2022 8:10 pm I am most definitely not mafia so I encourage the town to consider carefully. At least this game gets to f3 so we don't have to solve it right now.

Axe is the only person I am confident on being town. Alison and her partner would have been in anti spew yesterday.
Why are you confident in town!Axe?

If you could choose the next two chops, would would they be and why?
Ask better questions.

Why are you confident in town!Axe?

If you could choose the next two chops, would would they be and why?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jan 15, 2022 8:10 pm I am most definitely not mafia so I encourage the town to consider carefully. At least this game gets to f3 so we don't have to solve it right now.

Axe is the only person I am confident on being town. Alison and her partner would have been in anti spew yesterday.

Why are you confident in town!Axe?

If you could choose the next two chops, would would they be and why?

Creature wrote: ↑Sat Jan 15, 2022 8:00 pm I think we should just wait until EOD so we can suffer a little more.

Eh, if discussion is at a stall, I'd prefer not to just wait. I'm not sure I enjoy suffering as much as you do.

Yeah, I have a strong feeling today is going to be very slow, so I'm okay with a hammer as well, but will only vote for one once everyone has checked in.

Creature wrote: ↑Sat Jan 15, 2022 5:58 pm I'm between Mac and Wilgy. NAA and Sean didn't need to bus Alison yesterday.

I really think it is Mac. He stated scumreads on Alison sometimes, but never actively pushed there, and treated her with kids gloves most of the time.

**pokes thread with a stick**

Woo! Okay, so yeah

Kinda feel Creature cleared himself last night. Still feel pretty fine about NAA and Wilgy, so Mac just needs to die IMO.

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 14, 2022 4:53 pm NAA and Seanzie are Team Kill Alison

Alison and Mac are Team Kill Seanzie

DrWilgy and falcon might be the Team Wolf

And then there's me

I think if it is Wilgy and Falcon, there are exactly 0 ways we win this game.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Fri Jan 14, 2022 4:29 pm Should I post my legacy?

You do you. If you think you're likely to get NK'd, go ahead.

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jan 14, 2022 4:14 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jan 14, 2022 4:11 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jan 14, 2022 4:10 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jan 14, 2022 3:36 pm @Alison right now you're the fan favorite. Any legacy reads?
If I die, vote out NAA first. The two viable scum teams I see are NAA/Creature and NAA/Seanzie. NAA/Seanzie is my pick for most likely team, with Creature as a third suspect, but if I'm wrong about NAA/Seanzie, the way NAA tried to hardclear Creature at EOD makes me suspect NAA/Creature, and Seanzie could in theory just be a really obstinate/bad townie. The overlap between the two is NAA, so get rid of him first. In F3 you will probably have to decide between Creature and Seanzie. I'm leaning towards Seanzie right now just because he has been continuously full of shit for the past 24 hours and Creature would most likely have voted me if NAA/Creature is the team with an agenda to get me killed today. But read isos, re-evaluate and make up your own mind like you should be doing every F3. Don't ignore my reads, and don't ignore Fext's reads.
You don't want us to sheep you?
I gave detailed instructions for handling endgame, dictated the next day's exe, and confined the F3 vote to two candidates. I finished by saying "don't ignore the reads of dead townies". What part of that suggests that I don't want people to sheep me?

Pretty much every time you've been about to die as town, you literally try to get people to commit to just blindly sheeping your reads.

"make up your own mind" does not sound like what you normally sound like when you're about to die.

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jan 14, 2022 4:13 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Jan 14, 2022 4:09 pm Do Alison & Mac both vote Sean if they're wolves?
No. If me and Mac were scum, we could have voted out Creature. He isn't around to self pres, so we could just two stack on him and force a rand at best (3-3-1), or forcibly kill Creature if we convince you to hop on, which you have said you are open to. That is what I would do if I was a wolf, it is the mathematically optimal play and not one I'd deviate from.

Also if you did want to go for a tie and in the 50% chance you lose, you and Mac are like... almost completely outed and Creature would be spewed town, so you'd go for 50-50 odds of a near insta-loss over chances of getting someone to move onto me, chopping your worst enemy, and protecting Mac's positioning in thread?

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jan 14, 2022 4:13 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Jan 14, 2022 4:09 pm Do Alison & Mac both vote Sean if they're wolves?
No. If me and Mac were scum, we could have voted out Creature. He isn't around to self pres, so we could just two stack on him and force a rand at best (3-3-1), or forcibly kill Creature if we convince you to hop on, which you have said you are open to. That is what I would do if I was a wolf, it is the mathematically optimal play and not one I'd deviate from.

You wouldn't try to get Falcon to move onto me to save you?

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jan 14, 2022 4:10 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jan 14, 2022 3:36 pm @Alison right now you're the fan favorite. Any legacy reads?
If I die, vote out NAA first. The two viable scum teams I see are NAA/Creature and NAA/Seanzie. NAA/Seanzie is my pick for most likely team, with Creature as a third suspect, but if I'm wrong about NAA/Seanzie, the way NAA tried to hardclear Creature at EOD makes me suspect NAA/Creature, and Seanzie could in theory just be a really obstinate/bad townie. The overlap between the two is NAA, so get rid of him first. In F3 you will probably have to decide between Creature and Seanzie. I'm leaning towards Seanzie right now just because he has been continuously full of shit for the past 24 hours and Creature would most likely have voted me if NAA/Creature is the team with an agenda to get me killed today. But read isos, re-evaluate and make up your own mind like you should be doing every F3. Don't ignore my reads, and don't ignore Fext's reads.

You don't want us to sheep you?

@Alison right now you're the fan favorite. Any legacy reads?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Jan 14, 2022 3:07 pm The fact that 4 people are off on vanity wagons, w/ several of them being POE is less than ideal

agreed.

*pokes thread with a stick*

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jan 14, 2022 12:37 am @Creature where are you at?

@Seanzie your worldview is borked if you are town. What can we do to resolve this because I feel like you just keep talking past me and all of your points are just definition tunneling nonsense.

What is borked?

I feel fine about Falcon, don't know how to read Wilgy but have gotten no bad vibes and everyone is strongtownreading them, so fine with them. NAA has surprisingly been one of my stronger townleans, and outside of some tinfoil that they've been purposefully trying to pocket me, I feel like they're just town here. Creature is a whole bunch of meh, but that is NAI for them, and if I'm wrong about one of you or Alison, there is time to chop them still. What is wrong with this plan? If you want me to not think you're a good chop, you'll have to convince me there is a wolf in Falcon/Wilgy/NAA.

You and Alison both have strongly pinged me. The way that the thread went dead D1 after I hardpushed Fext and after you started townreading Fext but backed off of actually doing anything about townreading Fext is strongly indicative of the louder town-leader types being wolf. Guess who are louder town-leader types? You and Alison. D1 I had to like hardshove the thread into doing anything after Fext became a wagon, and your excuse was that you were sleeping... but also got busy? But also it was like 24 hours from when you started townreading Fext until their flip and you did a whole bunch of MEH. Not sure you would have even posted again if I wasn't pressing people for content around Fext.

Then D2 the thread started pushing for Alison early, and you came in like a sad puppy, and honestly I only see why you'd feel like that if something about your expectations were not strongly met. My guess is that you expected the townies to be trying to bury me since I buried Fext. But like... the way I went at Fext is very clearly not wolfy, and even you know it, you've stated scumreads on me, but I just don't feel like you believe it at all. As you once told me in the first game I wolfed against you, you're pushes on me have felt like you're trying to hump me with a flacid ween (idr exactly what you said, but close enough).

And even though you've voiced scumreads on Alison, all your actions have been to try to get not-Alison into the spotlight. Also, the way you perked up after she showed up early D2 really makes me think you got re-energized by a partner being there and then you and Alison both tried to take me on, and NAA had a good point that you and Alison didn't care about what eachother were saying, only trying to attack me... at least until NAA pointed that out;)

Then your posting in your "catch-up" is really really wolfy IMO. Like man... you aren't giving thoughts. You say it is the "opposite of performative", but how else am I supposed to interpret your posts? It looks like you are quoting posts as like a certificate, saying "hey thread, look at this! look at what I looked at! Do you see that I looked at this? I'm quoting it and going "hmm" so I must be thinking about it!". I don't buy it. Sorry dude.

I will continue to look at the thread and if I see something that changes my mind, I'll let you know, but unless that happens, the only way you're getting rid of me is to either miselim me or NK me.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 9:23 pm Why are neither Sean or Mac voting for each other?

I think it is Mac and Alison, so I'm okay voting for Alison. If people want to vote Mac though, I'm also good with that.

@falcon45ca please look at these posts and tell me if you actually think this is townie content and not a wolf creating a lot of shallow content. You can either read my takes or ignore them, but please look at these.

Spoiler: show

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 6:17 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 12:02 am
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Jan 09, 2022 11:33 pm Mac probably town.
You really feel comfortable enough to townread Mac off 5 posts?
Seanzie didn't like the dead townie townreading me lol

This is a really bad take. Mac super good wolf. LC townreading him there was weird. No way town!Mac interprets this as me not liking a dead townie townreading him?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 6:18 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 12:54 am
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 12:51 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 12:02 am
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Jan 09, 2022 11:33 pm Mac probably town.
You really feel comfortable enough to townread Mac off 5 posts?
Now that you ask this question, 100% yes.
[VOTE: LC] aubergine
yeah wtf Seanzie is just mafia how did we get like this

No actual explanation here as to why me voting LC for what looks like TMI points to me being mafia.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 6:18 pm Creature/Seanzie bag and tag it

No actual thought here.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 6:25 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 2:46 am Seanzie is town.

Fext isn't.

[VOTE: Fext] aubergine

no thought here.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 6:27 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 2:49 am
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 12:51 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 12:02 am
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Jan 09, 2022 11:33 pm Mac probably town.
You really feel comfortable enough to townread Mac off 5 posts?
Now that you ask this question, 100% yes.
This might actually be the scummiest post in the thread.

[VOTE: Lime Coke] aubergine
Why tho?

asks a shallow question. Mac gives no take on why it wouldn't be or anything. no effort needed for this.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 6:28 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 2:52 am
Alison wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 2:46 am Seanzie is town.

Fext isn't.

[VOTE: Fext] aubergine

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 2:49 am
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 12:51 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 12:02 am
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Jan 09, 2022 11:33 pm Mac probably town.
You really feel comfortable enough to townread Mac off 5 posts?
Now that you ask this question, 100% yes.
This might actually be the scummiest post in the thread.

[VOTE: Lime Coke] aubergine
I agree with Alison on all points.
well this I didn't expect to see?

Doesn't actually give a take here, just points out votes on dead townies. There isn't anything inherently scummy about votes, Mac is not giving thoughts at all.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 6:32 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 9:11 am Holy fuck I'm towntowntowntowntown

Look upon my works, ye mighty, and despair
I am not going to lie. I have actually been town clearing you in games for the past six months because you only ever open games when you are town by saying that you are town and when you are mafia you do not. I swear this read is accurate lol. (don't fact check it)

weak read.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 6:34 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 9:47 am
Fext wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 9:42 amcan confirm
Your pocket attempt is duly noted, and while I appreciate the effort, it won't work...this time.

You may try again later if you like
like this just reads like empty bs

This is not really a good take. what is empty or BS about this post?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 6:41 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 12:25 pm
Fext wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 11:05 am given LC is a leading wagon I do have to ask

in poking around I saw he just won a game as mafia where people were like really shocked by his performance

how much does that factor into all of your guys' perceptions of him in this game
I am voting for him for that reason and that reason alone.

All the things I've said in the thread are merely masking the fact that I am voting for him for that reason and that reason alone.
hmmm

no actual thoughts given here.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 6:43 pm I am starting to become confbiased into seanzie/alison worlds so imma gonna stop backreading for a bit

unclear how he got here. He hasn't actually given any thoughts or reasons on me or Alison. Quoting posts and going "hmm" is not thoughts. going

is not a thought. Looking at Alison having voted LC and Fext but giving legit no thoughts about it does not constitute progression.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 6:55 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 2:49 pm
Fext wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 2:46 pm if I had to gth reads rn it'd look something like these two groups, townier one on top

NotAnAxehole
Creature
falcon45ca
Lime Coke

DrWilgy
MacDougall
Seanzie
Alison

although frankly I'm not confident I could put all of those into words I am open to being asked for what elaboration I can provide on a given player

also if I wrote this list again in an hour it could probably look completely different since I really am trying to build reads out of scraps
Fext, I'm obvtown at this point, move me up.

Also LC does not belong there. Neither does NAA.
hmmm

Again, no thoughts. Just "hmmm". This is extremely fake and performative.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 6:57 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 3:33 pm [VOTE: Alison] aubergine
the timing of this vote profiles as a distancing vote designed for future optics

Meh, this is literally the best post out of all of the ones he did in his quick burst, but it's still not really a good take.

He didn't give thoughts. Look at those posts. Look at how shallow they are. It is very very performative. He created a lot of posts with no real content.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 8:24 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 7:29 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 6:45 pm My biggest scum tell is how much I'm playing the game, not the quality of my posts.

Mac's putting in a towny effort that doesn't feel forced.

Alison, Creature, Seanzie is where I'm at
I politely disagree. quoting my early posts and going "hmm" isn't really townie and doesn't really take effort.
I use hmmmmmm all the time as town.

Mac made associations & reads based off your posts. That does take some effort, but what I said was that it doesn't feel forced. His effort feels genuine to me in his solve.

I'm not seeing much in your self defense outside of "this is wolf agenda" and disparaging Mac's efforts.

Mac is just a wolf in your eyes?

Sure, I think you're missing my point. Go back and look at his "go back to the beginning of the game" posts and tell me how many takes you actually see. Going hmm on something somewhere sure, NAI, but going "hmm" on multiple posts,

on one, "that's not what I expected" (what wasn't what he expected, and why?) and etc. is performative. No townie quotes half the posts from page 1 with a little sentence or throwaway thought for each one when doing a readback. He is creating content without thoughts or depth.

Plus, like... look at that post by LC giving a wayy too strong of a town read of Mac given how early it was. Mac is well-known for being one of the best wolves on this site, so someone giving Mac a strong townlean off 5 posts is weird. Me pushing LC over something that looked TMI-y is not weird. town!Mac thinking me pushing LC over something that looked TMI-y is "Sean not trying to let LC townread Mac" doesn't happen. No way town!Mac has that take.

Can you please point to where Mac made associations and reads based off my posts? I don't see it.

Yes, I think Mac is very likely wolf here. I could be wrong, but I don't think I am.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 6:45 pm My biggest scum tell is how much I'm playing the game, not the quality of my posts.

Mac's putting in a towny effort that doesn't feel forced.

Alison, Creature, Seanzie is where I'm at

I politely disagree. quoting my early posts and going "hmm" isn't really townie and doesn't really take effort.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 6:17 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jan 10, 2022 12:02 am
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Jan 09, 2022 11:33 pm Mac probably town.
You really feel comfortable enough to townread Mac off 5 posts?
Seanzie didn't like the dead townie townreading me lol

Look up wolfy agenda in the dictonary, and you see this post from Mac.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 6:03 pm Fext really was inno child in hindsight... maybe NAA is right to just wanna blast Alison for it.

hindsight? You knew d1 but continued voting him.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 2:26 pm Honestly, Alison & Mac have played a phenomenal wolf game. Live through D1, pocket the townies you need for votes, kill obvious town who risks having a voice. Open wolf to people who you can't pocket, because they don't matter.

Meh, they completely dropped off D1 after I hardpushed Fext.

But yeah, otherwise they played well.

but everyone else, including her scum partner.

well... except maybe Alison

We should probably all vote Alison

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:36 pm I reckon I'm about half caught up through the tomfoolery of last night. This charade around sheriff Mac is still silly. The only three that'd off our ranch hand Lime Coke are Creature, NAA, and Seanzie.

Same question to you. Who would Mac/Alison kill?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:57 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 12:36 pm I reckon I'm about half caught up through the tomfoolery of last night. This charade around sheriff Mac is still silly. The only three that'd off our ranch hand Lime Coke are Creature, NAA, and Seanzie.
Yeah, I'm not convinced the LC kill comes from Alison.

If Mac/Alison is the scumteam, who would they kill?

Did I win the argument? I kinda feel like I won the argument.

Not that this makes me towny in it's own right, but yeah, kinda feel good about it.

[VOTE: Alison] aubergine

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 5:16 am tomorrow after I have decompressed

me where it is night

Lol, it should be clear via considering timezones that Mac does not want me around right now. Super duper scum indicative.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 4:42 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 4:38 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 4:36 am Mac: 6 hours of Seanzie pain
Seanzie: Look at this thing that means nothing
Mac: I'm tired and my brain hurts because I've been at this with you for 6 hours
Seanzie: But you've been doing this with me for 6 hours so you're scum
Mac:

Then you're okay with an Alsion flip if you get to say "I told you so" right?
Ask me tomorrow after I have decompressed

It is morning. Why are you talking about tomorrow?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 4:49 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 4:45 am I kinda think I might be wrong about one of Mac or Aiison. Like part of me just wants to be the solve, but meh...
why not both.gif

Convince me on Alison then. Plz.

I kinda think I might be wrong about one of Mac or Aiison. Like part of me just wants to be the solve, but meh...

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 4:36 am Mac: 6 hours of Seanzie pain
Seanzie: Look at this thing that means nothing
Mac: I'm tired and my brain hurts because I've been at this with you for 6 hours
Seanzie: But you've been doing this with me for 6 hours so you're scum
Mac:

Then you're okay with an Alsion flip if you get to say "I told you so" right?

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 4:31 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 4:23 am
Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 4:10 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 3:56 am
Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 3:48 am I've given you page after page explaining my logic as extensively as humanly possible. If you want to talk, be extremely clear, specific and precise about what it is you want. I've had enough with you throwing vague nonsense at me and pretending it means something and I am scum for not responding to it enough. If you want a fair exchange from me so we can talk, then define it. Tell me what a fair exchange is, and what you want from me. No more "you haven't reflected enough", "you haven't considered the differences", etc. Be specific.
You don't understand how Mac changed on Fext, and that is telling.

Would you mind doing me a favor and pretending like Mac is scum and I'm right, and letting me know how such a world would look?
Then let's be clear.

You tell me, in simple 4th grader terms, how you think Mac's read/treatment on Fext changed. Then you explain why this contradicts something I've said, or some characterization I've given on the situation.

In a scenario where Mac is scum, then I believe that the way he has treated Fext - ie. townreading Fext but leaving his vote on Fext anyway - is most likely because he is playing mind games. I believe that this action does not benefit him as scum. Ergo, he is doing it to get townread by people who know it doesn't benefit him as scum, like me. For obvious reasons, I don't think Mac is mafia with you or NAA. I know I'm town, and the way he went after Creature for slanking through the day suggests that they are not partnered. (Specifically, I think a mafia Mac with Creature partner wouldn't want to draw even more attention to his partner when he - that is, Creature - is already under pressure. He might be bussing Creature, but if that was his intent he wouldn't have gotten stuck in the reads trying to argue with and case you - mafia Mac busses very confidently and violently.)

So, in this world, I think he's most likely scum with one of Wilgy or Falcon.
I think you "mind games" crap is BS. Look at the thread. Look at how Mac treated Fext.

you refusing to see it...
What's your theory?

Let's say Mac is mafia. What does he stand to gain by doing this to Fext?

You've said that if he's mafia he'd see Fext as being really pure - okay, why not shield the obvtown pure person then?

You've said that you thought he was caught by surprise and reacted in a bad way. Caught by surprise by what? It's an asynchronous forum game and he can take as much time to think about his post as he likes. Why would his kneejerk reaction to an unexpected bout of townieness, as mafia, be to townread them and then refuse to take the vote away?

I'm looking at the thread. What am I supposed to be seeing here?

It's really not that hard. You have all the pieces. Put it together and convince me it isn't a read you legit took this long to come to.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 4:00 am maybe I'm just drained of all will to process things so just ask someone else for a 2nd opinion

This is such a weird thing for someone who has been fighting me tooth and nail for hours. This is scum.

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 4:10 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 3:56 am
Alison wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 3:48 am I've given you page after page explaining my logic as extensively as humanly possible. If you want to talk, be extremely clear, specific and precise about what it is you want. I've had enough with you throwing vague nonsense at me and pretending it means something and I am scum for not responding to it enough. If you want a fair exchange from me so we can talk, then define it. Tell me what a fair exchange is, and what you want from me. No more "you haven't reflected enough", "you haven't considered the differences", etc. Be specific.
You don't understand how Mac changed on Fext, and that is telling.

Would you mind doing me a favor and pretending like Mac is scum and I'm right, and letting me know how such a world would look?
Then let's be clear.

You tell me, in simple 4th grader terms, how you think Mac's read/treatment on Fext changed. Then you explain why this contradicts something I've said, or some characterization I've given on the situation.

In a scenario where Mac is scum, then I believe that the way he has treated Fext - ie. townreading Fext but leaving his vote on Fext anyway - is most likely because he is playing mind games. I believe that this action does not benefit him as scum. Ergo, he is doing it to get townread by people who know it doesn't benefit him as scum, like me. For obvious reasons, I don't think Mac is mafia with you or NAA. I know I'm town, and the way he went after Creature for slanking through the day suggests that they are not partnered. (Specifically, I think a mafia Mac with Creature partner wouldn't want to draw even more attention to his partner when he - that is, Creature - is already under pressure. He might be bussing Creature, but if that was his intent he wouldn't have gotten stuck in the reads trying to argue with and case you - mafia Mac busses very confidently and violently.)

So, in this world, I think he's most likely scum with one of Wilgy or Falcon.

I think you "mind games" crap is BS. Look at the thread. Look at how Mac treated Fext.

you refusing to see it...

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jan 13, 2022 3:18 am when seanzie wakes up i expect an apology tbh

you legit town-confident on Alison? i don't see it. But like we have 1 mis chop, and at this point I am going to need to see your flip to trust you, but like you legit?

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