The Syndicate

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 6:34 pm [VOTE: lucy] aubergine

Hammer minus one

Are you claiming this is self-pres?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 5:47 pm Kind of want to self vote now tbh

I EaT your AtE for breakfast.

Lucy are you okay with the idea of going on auto with the PoE {Dozzy, Lucy, Nanook}?

Just a friendly reminder to everyone that it is a 24 he day, so we aren't too far from EoD even though it doesn't feel like it.

Ehh... the more I think about Nanook's Wilgy shield the more it makes me think Nanook is wolf. I've seen scum!Nanook do similarish things like town!Axe before, hard shielding and pocketing them, which is good strategy since bringing a LHF who is pocketed into late game gives you easy options (either flip on them to get a miselim or use their pocket to get a townie's vote on your side).

[VOTE: Nanook] aubergine

Vulgard wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 9:08 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Aug 05, 2022 9:02 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Aug 05, 2022 9:01 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Fri Aug 05, 2022 9:00 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Aug 05, 2022 8:59 pm Achromatic isn't mafia. Nor is Dyslexicon.

But why. His words don’t impress me. I think he tried to distract from Tommy D1

Ah yes lets tie ourselves firmly to the sinking brick. That sounds like the decision making of a skilled mafioso.

I actually think he would. But it depends on Porscha. If Porscha w, Achro v

Did Dizzy vote Achro on day 3?

Yea he did.

Also, you can view all EoD polls in the first post of the thread.

Speaking of which @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME how many times has NaA caught you?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 4:40 am I don't fully mind being chopped here actually. We're largely town making the decisions, so it's interesting. Last chance now, cause I will mind it on future days

My best PoE is Lucy/Vul. I think there would be two chops afterwards if I'm going over. Maybe listen to dead town this time. Unless I'm wrong wowee

Anyway, I need to get back to work. I'll be around later this night, more before EoD. I will try to gather my thoughts then. I'm not very confident on where to go myself

Bad.

Also, I am sad you didn't react/respond to my #5269 (hehe 69:P)

lucy wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 12:27 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 12:26 am

lucy wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 12:17 am I pointed and you and seanzie found evidence

I could find evidence that anyone in this game is scum.

you were wrong on me

That has yet to be seen.

lucy wrote: ↑Mon Aug 15, 2022 12:17 am I pointed and you and seanzie found evidence

I could find evidence that anyone in this game is scum.

Yeah, I won't fight the Dizzy elim. I don't really agree with Mac that Dizzy was actively not being caught upnor whatever he said since the big post in question was after Dizzy stated they were going to read them game, and they were responding to things in a way that indeed did look like they were reading and caught up.

However, rereading Dizzy's D1 did remind me of some things and ofher things popped out at me. One big thing that will probably not sway anyone else was that normally town Dizzy interacts with me in a very casual, kind of flirty way most games early on, and I didn't get that impression here, if anything I felt like they were avoiding me until I started to pressure them a bit about it.

Now on to things that might sway others. Dizzy pretty early on votes Tommy than Porscha (this was before they were "reading", each time with like a backhand reason in a way that looks fakeish. Dizzy does keep up pressure on Tommy, but looking at everything they say about Porscha, it is always "I scumread her but want her to not die right now", with a little bit of "my read on her might change with time", which is not a good look. Tommy likely was not doing well in scumchat before they were killed, so I give little points to people pushing Tommy, and Dizzy's D1 stuff on Porscha could be teamed for sure. Distancing, specifically, not bussing, I do not get the feeling that Dizzy ever wanted Porscha to go over.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Aug 14, 2022 11:50 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Aug 14, 2022 11:49 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Aug 14, 2022 11:48 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Aug 14, 2022 11:40 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Aug 14, 2022 11:37 pm If I had to articulate succinctly why Dizzy is mafia I would say... "their reads have been far too accurate for someone who is playing the game the way they are, that is to say not really playing it at all".

This is a fair criticism, but their read in contention was on D1, right? They weren't inactive on D1.

You should reread their ISO and give me your thoughts. I think while they weren't inactive on d1, it's still fair to say that they weren't actually playing the game. Dyslexicon was willfully refusing to participate on day 1 early and most of their reads were "I don't feel like playing" and then suddenly they just had the entire solve.

I should, but I am not likely to do that tonight. It is almost my bedtime, and I am playing a fun vidja game so no deep dives right now. Tomorrow though I will take a look.

I mean it took me 3 minutes to read their day 1 posts. It's not exactly laborious.

It took me more than 3 minutes, so I am cranky now.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Aug 14, 2022 11:48 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Aug 14, 2022 11:40 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Aug 14, 2022 11:37 pm If I had to articulate succinctly why Dizzy is mafia I would say... "their reads have been far too accurate for someone who is playing the game the way they are, that is to say not really playing it at all".

This is a fair criticism, but their read in contention was on D1, right? They weren't inactive on D1.

You should reread their ISO and give me your thoughts. I think while they weren't inactive on d1, it's still fair to say that they weren't actually playing the game. Dyslexicon was willfully refusing to participate on day 1 early and most of their reads were "I don't feel like playing" and then suddenly they just had the entire solve.

I should, but I am not likely to do that tonight. It is almost my bedtime, and I am playing a fun vidja game so no deep dives right now. Tomorrow though I will take a look.

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Aug 14, 2022 11:40 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Aug 14, 2022 11:39 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Aug 14, 2022 11:37 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Aug 14, 2022 11:36 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Aug 14, 2022 11:31 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Aug 14, 2022 11:30 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Aug 14, 2022 11:19 pm @Seanzie @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME now I have to convince u two

You're welcome to try, but I'm pretty stubborn.

vote dizzy

Wow, very convincing.

read up and see, I god read her

I have read up.

You saying you have a confident read on Dizzy does nothing for me when I view you as more likely to flip wolf than Dizzy.

I can pull up 5-6 times I read someone like this, do you want me to pull it up?

that's lazy

Lucy, if you are town here, I really recommend trying to work on communicating your thoughts.

You're essentially trying to demand I listen to an appeal to authority when I have no reason to respect said authority (you can bring up as many examples as you want where you were right about a read... so can I, and so can the worst mafia player ever as long as they've played a reasonable number of games) and ignore the fact that from my POV if you're a wolf, your Dizzy read is just fake.

If you want me to vote Dizzy, you're going to have to get me to think or feel Dizzy is scum. I'm not just going to blindly trust you.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Aug 14, 2022 11:37 pm If I had to articulate succinctly why Dizzy is mafia I would say... "their reads have been far too accurate for someone who is playing the game the way they are, that is to say not really playing it at all".

This is a fair criticism, but their read in contention was on D1, right? They weren't inactive on D1.

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Aug 14, 2022 11:37 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Aug 14, 2022 11:36 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Aug 14, 2022 11:31 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Aug 14, 2022 11:30 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Aug 14, 2022 11:19 pm @Seanzie @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME now I have to convince u two

You're welcome to try, but I'm pretty stubborn.

vote dizzy

Wow, very convincing.

read up and see, I god read her

I have read up.

You saying you have a confident read on Dizzy does nothing for me when I view you as more likely to flip wolf than Dizzy.

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Aug 14, 2022 11:31 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Aug 14, 2022 11:30 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Aug 14, 2022 11:19 pm @Seanzie @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME now I have to convince u two

You're welcome to try, but I'm pretty stubborn.

vote dizzy

Wow, very convincing.

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Aug 14, 2022 11:19 pm @Seanzie @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME now I have to convince u two

You're welcome to try, but I'm pretty stubborn.

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Aug 14, 2022 10:14 pm mental exercise yourself Sean, if I not scum who is in ur poe

Game something like this:

Mac
Vulgard
Vivax
Dizzy
Wilgy
Nook
Lucy

I haven't actually thought about Vivax in a while though, and idk if Dizzy really should be that high, but meh. That's what my brain spit out.

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Aug 14, 2022 10:07 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Aug 14, 2022 10:05 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Aug 14, 2022 9:21 pm what's ur actual read on me bucko @Seanzie

You're a top poster, but I can't remember a single time where I felt you were actually pushing the game forward. Your read on me went from "clear af" to "I have a read but I'm not stating it. I need to talk to them" without ever actually talking to me, to now me being in your PoE after I voted you today, without any clear progression on your end about me, which is pretty meh. You also could have TMI'd earlier, and almost everyone else in this game I feel good about, so you're solidly in my PoE.

yes I just realized I was incorrect, bad logic is a good indicator it's reactive instead of an original thought for me

Okay, well I'mma keep voting you.

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Aug 14, 2022 9:26 pm also once I flip town you better consider me to be a scum player that makes no mistakes such as these @Seanzie

If you flip town here, it will not affect my opinion of your scum game, only on your town game.

lucy wrote: ↑Sun Aug 14, 2022 9:21 pm what's ur actual read on me bucko @Seanzie

You're a top poster, but I can't remember a single time where I felt you were actually pushing the game forward. Your read on me went from "clear af" to "I have a read but I'm not stating it. I need to talk to them" without ever actually talking to me, to now me being in your PoE after I voted you today, without any clear progression on your end about me, which is pretty meh. You also could have TMI'd earlier, and almost everyone else in this game I feel good about, so you're solidly in my PoE.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Aug 14, 2022 8:10 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Aug 14, 2022 7:54 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Aug 14, 2022 7:43 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Aug 14, 2022 7:34 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Aug 14, 2022 7:25 pm [VOTE: stupidsexyvulgard] aubergine

I don't think this is a good vote.

Ok

Can you explain your take on Flanders/Vulgard?

Narrow poe that contains them and lucy

Do you think they're more likely wolf than Lucy? If so, why?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Aug 14, 2022 7:43 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Aug 14, 2022 7:34 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Aug 14, 2022 7:25 pm [VOTE: stupidsexyvulgard] aubergine

I don't think this is a good vote.

Ok

Can you explain your take on Flanders/Vulgard?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Aug 14, 2022 7:25 pm [VOTE: stupidsexyvulgard] aubergine

I don't think this is a good vote.

Why is Lucy voting herself?

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Aug 13, 2022 10:33 am Look I know I am most likely not going to be around for EOD so just dont let it tie

Ties are random, so not as bad as like in a Nook game where they're wolf-decided.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Aug 13, 2022 9:53 am I do not like that no one is talking

Nighttime in the US.

Anyways, I'm waiting for Lucy to get here. Apparently she has a read on me, but idk if I believe it at this juncture.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Aug 13, 2022 2:08 am

lucy wrote: ↑Sat Aug 13, 2022 1:00 am @RondoDimBuckle my cup runneth over

with mayonnaise?

Gross

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 9:12 pm I don't think that's something you have to announce lol

It is good for the gamestate though for people to note that if it was EoD, it would be 5v3 Ender/Vulgard.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 6:12 pm I really wanna know why Ender is town

If you ignore absolutely everything that has happened in the game and compute probabilities blindly, they have a 90% chance of being town from where I'm sitting.

lucy wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 4:57 pm which I won't do today because I haven't slept in 46 hours or something

Cop out. I love to be interrogated.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 4:51 pm What

You lost me

I think she is teasing you with mimicry.

lucy wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 3:14 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Aug 11, 2022 11:21 pm

lucy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 11, 2022 11:20 pm yeah I'm getting off, mad at myself for not seeing

not seeing what?

the cliff I walked off

Describe said cliff in detail, please.

We have a while still, but if it was close to EoD, I'd definitely move to Ender here over Vulgard.

Vivax wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 10:23 am Wanted to find the posts Rondo asked for then read a bit more of Ender.
I guess I'm back to null on them.

Almost every second player in here is a policy elim to me. Must be the WSOP lobby or something.
But his third vote on Vulgard bugs me a bit. He only has to read the last few pages to find a few quotes I've pulled out.
On the other hand the reckless laziness is often townie.

Who do you see as policy? Can you give a full breakdown of the player list based on where they are for you?

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 10:16 am

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 10:14 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 9:58 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 9:53 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 9:47 am Hmmm.

What if Rondo is mafia after all and there is no doctor to counter-claim him?

Is this a crazy thought? Wasn't Rondo the one tinfoiling the idea of the mafia intentionally roleblocking themselves to spew themselves town or something?

I think Lucy was the one who was tinfoiling that.

Also, there are town PRs in any of the setups, so the only PR that can't cc a doc is a vig, so it would be a huge gamble for scum!Rondo to claim doc as that would only work with probability 25% (assuming that there are 3 mafia goons, otherwise it works with 0%)

But what if Lucy is right?

They lose Tommy day 1. Rondo is ... in light terms ... an unusual specimen. What if rather than just coasting to a stomping he tried a gambit as the roleblocker and roleblocked Porscha carrying in order to be able to claim doc? Played the game with the mindset of doc until there were other doc claims. Expected to have to cc battle but has simply walked into the luckiest scenario?

Would it not explain why Sabi died? Because Rondo actually thought she really was the doctor? Who else would have thought that after she retracted?

If there is a role blocker you would have at least 2 town roles claimed or flipped at some point. Good thinking though

Could have just 1 watcher

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 10:09 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 10:04 am I hope someone does the thing that needs to be done here.

Is the "thing that needs to be done" telling you that you're tinfoiling an extremely low-probability event that even if it is occurring, is almost assuredly self-resolving (Rondo would have to somehow take the town PR to F3 without them claiming at any point in order to win), and can be pretty much resolved just by gathering claims and telling town to stop doing silly FPS if they are doing silly FPS? (btw I'm VT idk if I actually ever claimed before this).

EBWOP

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 10:04 am I hope someone does the thing that needs to be done here.

Is the "right thing" telling you that you're tinfoiling an extremely low-probability event that even if it is occurring, is almost assuredly self-resolving (Rondo would have to somehow take the town PR to F3 without them claiming at any point in order to win), and can be pretty much resolved just by gathering claims and telling town to stop doing silly FPS if they are doing silly FPS? (btw I'm VT idk if I actually ever claimed before this).

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 9:58 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 9:53 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 9:47 am Hmmm.

What if Rondo is mafia after all and there is no doctor to counter-claim him?

Is this a crazy thought? Wasn't Rondo the one tinfoiling the idea of the mafia intentionally roleblocking themselves to spew themselves town or something?

I think Lucy was the one who was tinfoiling that.

Also, there are town PRs in any of the setups, so the only PR that can't cc a doc is a vig, so it would be a huge gamble for scum!Rondo to claim doc as that would only work with probability 25% (assuming that there are 3 mafia goons, otherwise it works with 0%)

But what if Lucy is right?

They lose Tommy day 1. Rondo is ... in light terms ... an unusual specimen. What if rather than just coasting to a stomping he tried a gambit as the roleblocker and roleblocked Porscha carrying in order to be able to claim doc? Played the game with the mindset of doc until there were other doc claims. Expected to have to cc battle but has simply walked into the luckiest scenario?

Would it not explain why Sabi died? Because Rondo actually thought she really was the doctor? Who else would have thought that after she retracted?

I'm convinced. Let's yeet Rondo into outer space.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 9:47 am Hmmm.

What if Rondo is mafia after all and there is no doctor to counter-claim him?

Is this a crazy thought? Wasn't Rondo the one tinfoiling the idea of the mafia intentionally roleblocking themselves to spew themselves town or something?

I think Lucy was the one who was tinfoiling that.

Also, there are town PRs in any of the setups, so the only PR that can't cc a doc is a vig, so it would be a huge gamble for scum!Rondo to claim doc as that would only work with probability 25% (assuming that there are 3 mafia goons, otherwise it works with 0%)

Vivax wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 9:27 am

Vulgard wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 8:42 am I've read 30 pages of the game and somehow Ender is still null for me after that even though he posted day 1 and early d2 which is enough of a reason for me to have him in bottom PoE and not oppose the wagon on him

If it's the main/alt of Arctic I played with on MU he's probs town. There are some similarities.

Ender is Bladescape (or blade or something like that) on MU, not Arctic. Possibly another alt, but if so Ender's never mentioned that one.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 8:21 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 8:19 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 8:06 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 7:33 am Like, the only compelling reason I've seen to townread Nook is the Axe kill, which does seem weird coming from Nook. But lke... sometimes weird things happen.

correct, it is the only real reason, and because of that he won't be winning this game

but it's a more clearing thing for me than anything I can say for Ender or Lucy personally.

I have no real feels for Lucy, so at some point I should ISO them.

Am I correct in assuming that yesterday you didn't actually have a slip on them, they just slipped into admitting there is something sus in their ISO and you leaned into it? If so, I'd like to hear from Lucy on exactly what they think is so suspicious about their own play to warrant that reaction.

Nah i do but i still want her to articulate it lol

Okay, well if she doesn't soon, I'mma vote there @lucy

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 8:22 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 8:20 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 8:09 am Lol let's make a shield matrix.

Rondo clearing Mac shielding Nanook shielding Wilgy
Ender shielding Dizzy who is shielding nobody
Vulgard is shielding tons of people but/and is obvious town
Lucy was being shielded by achro who is dead town...
Seanzie is ... not being discussed really but seems town ... let's change that and talk about why Seanzie is town?
Vivax is pretty much polarised and he's town here

Dizzy is probably never a wolf. Wilgy is never a wolf. Rondo never. Mac never. If I trust Achro well...

Nook/Ender.

And for me, Ender is significantly more likely the hit but that's just me.

Mostly I've been clearing him off his rolecard, but I know that's kind of a weak reason.

I have the impression that you were on teh right side of both chops without me checking is that true?

No, I didn't say a thing about Tommy and Porscha I actually lightly defended.

Vivax wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 8:17 am

Vulgard wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 6:36 am 1. Achro's legacy
2. Hasn't done much to help solve the game aside from calling himself lock town with no basis during early day 2 and making a locktown read on Mac that's trivial to make, feels like he just did that to better his positioning
3. Has virtually no wolf spew in his favor that I've been able to find so far

Wolf spew for Achro? Don't really get this. He dead.

I think Vulgard is talking about Nook there, not Achromatic. Nook has no wolf spew in his favor from Tommy or Porscha.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Aug 12, 2022 8:09 am Lol let's make a shield matrix.

Rondo clearing Mac shielding Nanook shielding Wilgy
Ender shielding Dizzy who is shielding nobody
Vulgard is shielding tons of people but/and is obvious town
Lucy was being shielded by achro who is dead town...
Seanzie is ... not being discussed really but seems town ... let's change that and talk about why Seanzie is town?
Vivax is pretty much polarised and he's town here

Dizzy is probably never a wolf. Wilgy is never a wolf. Rondo never. Mac never. If I trust Achro well...

Nook/Ender.

And for me, Ender is significantly more likely the hit but that's just me.

Mostly I've been clearing him off his rolecard, but I know that's kind of a weak reason.