The Syndicate

Ted and Mac are wolves. I'mma go finish my beer now.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun May 02, 2021 3:17 am i forgot seanzie in my town list

Why?

Dana wrote: ↑Sun May 02, 2021 2:06 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun May 02, 2021 2:05 am

Dana wrote: ↑Sun May 02, 2021 2:02 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun May 02, 2021 1:58 am

Dana wrote: ↑Sun May 02, 2021 1:57 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun May 02, 2021 1:53 am TSP isn't playing a game to find out my partner though, which is SUS

who's your partner?

You'll have to beat me in chess to find out:P

bet

I only play for info in BTSC.

lame why even offer then

A game here would just clutter the thread. That is a no-go for me.

Dana wrote: ↑Sun May 02, 2021 2:02 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun May 02, 2021 1:58 am

Dana wrote: ↑Sun May 02, 2021 1:57 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun May 02, 2021 1:53 am TSP isn't playing a game to find out my partner though, which is SUS

who's your partner?

You'll have to beat me in chess to find out:P

bet

I only play for info in BTSC.

Dana wrote: ↑Sun May 02, 2021 1:57 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun May 02, 2021 1:53 am TSP isn't playing a game to find out my partner though, which is SUS

who's your partner?

You'll have to beat me in chess to find out:P

TSP isn't playing a game to find out my partner though, which is SUS

I love this emoji

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun May 02, 2021 1:51 am

Dana wrote: ↑Sun May 02, 2021 1:49 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun May 02, 2021 1:48 am he's a wolf

yeah?

that's what he told me, anyways

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun May 02, 2021 1:48 am he's a wolf

Timing, man! you messed up the timing!

Dana wrote: ↑Sun May 02, 2021 1:47 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun May 02, 2021 1:46 am

Dana wrote: ↑Sun May 02, 2021 1:44 am who did you chat with today sean?

TonyStonkPrime.

I challenged him to a game of chess with the caveat that the loser has to out their alignment. He beat me in 13 moves...

and.....?

Ask him...

Dana wrote: ↑Sun May 02, 2021 1:44 am who did you chat with today sean?

TonyStonkPrime.

I challenged him to a game of chess with the caveat that the loser has to out their alignment. He beat me in 13 moves...

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun May 02, 2021 1:29 am speaking of killing jay on n1

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun May 02, 2021 1:28 am i mean in that game you killed jay and then sloonei and i think then won it's not really like there was a lot else to do

You clearly didn't read wolfchat.

Dana wrote: ↑Sun May 02, 2021 1:17 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun May 02, 2021 1:16 am

Dana wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 7:25 pm yeah idk if this is vote-worthy i said my suspicion from this was very weak

inb4 tinfoil Dana JPIC team. Locked in, tunneling it.

nah

Okay, good to know that isn't a team:P

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun May 02, 2021 1:11 am sean you're way late on this one buddy

It's called having a life. Or at least... trying to have one post-vaccination in a pre-vaccination world.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun May 02, 2021 12:23 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 11:10 pm Wait JPIC and Sean targeted the same players three nights in a row...

wait really

If you already have it marked down, wouldn't you know this already?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 11:10 pm Wait JPIC and Sean targeted the same players three nights in a row...

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 10:45 pm I also asked him who he targeted overnight.

He said Esooa.

And I asked why and then he said wait no Esooa targeted him, he targeted me.

I am curious about him.

Wait, what?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 10:17 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 10:12 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 10:06 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 10:04 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 8:35 pm

Dana wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 8:33 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 8:30 pm We have four kills

Falcon is one

Sean and jpic probably

Nobody else really inspires me, we'll figure it out

how sure are you about falcon?

Well, I promised Joseph id help him kill falcon, and tbh I do think he's been kind of scummy, so

Confident enough to push it!

That's a pretty shallow reason to push me. Is Joe Mac? Tell me, what can we say that Mac has done that's yielded positive results for the town? Which Maf has he helped us lynch?

This is a pretty unfair way to play the game if you're town Falcon. I am not responsible for either of the lynches. I didn't promote the day 1 sleepwalk and in fact I opposed it. I also was solving outside of the Gavial sleepwalk until Nanook asked me to drop it.

I'm not trying to blame you for where we sit right now, I'm just trying to say that there's no results that should give anyone cause to just lock town someone, which Nanook seems ok to do with you.

If you're town, are you OK with Nanook just lock stepping with you pushing my death given he asked you to drop solving outside of Gav?

Well for a start everyone that has bothered to have a private chat with me has come out of it town reading me including people who were suspecting me before them ie. Seanzie and JPIC.

So perhaps if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck.

You are scummy in a range of ways, including POE.

Nanook arriving at "we need to clear Gavial for the greater good" and asking me to just drop it for the day is not suspicious because I had similar thoughts that I had shared with Seanzie in private chat even. Seanzie also had similar thoughts.

Nanook is as suspicious as anyone in the game in that there is PROBABLY at least one wolf that is being widely town read. There is nothing particularly scummy about him moreso than anyone else, and from my point of view Nanook just going with the flow and chopping through a POE I largely agree with and not humouring tinfoil on me is fine.

I can attest that Mac and I talked about Gav, and how he is an anti-town presence even as town. In Beezelbub, we (I was a wolf in that game) kept him alive simply because of this.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 8:04 pm

Dana wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 7:49 pm also who's good at math, how many mislynches to we have left? 2?

3, derp attempt denied but you’re town anyways probably so I guess derp attempt accepted

Inb4 TSP is wolfcounting here.

Dana wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 7:49 pm also who's good at math, how many mislynches to we have left? 2?

Yes, two mislunches before Lylo.

Dana wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 7:49 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 7:45 pm If Falcon flips town I'll reevaluate. Gavial dying after playing the way he was isn't a reason to reevaluate nor is it a reason to instantly push on me Tedxtr. I was pushing elsewhere. Nanook asked me to stop and told me he'd tunnel whoever I asked him to if I just let Gavial go over.

If you haven't bothered to use the thread then don't make pushes.

how would you feel about voting sean instead of falcon today?

Yas!

Dana wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 7:25 pm yeah idk if this is vote-worthy i said my suspicion from this was very weak

inb4 tinfoil Dana JPIC team. Locked in, tunneling it.

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 7:11 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 7:10 pm

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 7:06 pm

Dana wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 7:00 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 6:57 pm

Dana wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 6:46 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 6:43 pm

How do you feel about Gav's away message? He didn't trust you BTW

yeah i know but i didn't trust him either so its fair i guess. ted seems town enough to me, idk about JPIC i have some weak suspicions

Walk me thru your JPIC suspicions plz

our btsc was kinda lame tbh and i get the sense that mafia might not want to chat too much to not give anything away. i could def be wrong (and probably am) but it just didn't rly inspire any confidence to townread him for me

It takes two to tango

Are you saying that Dana was lame in your BTSC?

Im saying pot kettle black

Okay, you kind of responded to my point already. It is unclear what your thought are on Dana here though. Care to clarify?

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 7:06 pm

Dana wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 7:00 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 6:57 pm

Dana wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 6:46 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 6:43 pm

Dana wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 6:42 pmok

How do you feel about Gav's away message? He didn't trust you BTW

yeah i know but i didn't trust him either so its fair i guess. ted seems town enough to me, idk about JPIC i have some weak suspicions

Walk me thru your JPIC suspicions plz

our btsc was kinda lame tbh and i get the sense that mafia might not want to chat too much to not give anything away. i could def be wrong (and probably am) but it just didn't rly inspire any confidence to townread him for me

It takes two to tango

I don't like this. Are you scumreading Dana here?

Dana wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 7:00 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 6:57 pm

Dana wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 6:46 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 6:43 pm

Dana wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 6:42 pmok

How do you feel about Gav's away message? He didn't trust you BTW

yeah i know but i didn't trust him either so its fair i guess. ted seems town enough to me, idk about JPIC i have some weak suspicions

Walk me thru your JPIC suspicions plz

our btsc was kinda lame tbh and i get the sense that mafia might not want to chat too much to not give anything away. i could def be wrong (and probably am) but it just didn't rly inspire any confidence to townread him for me

Who do you have BTSC with today?

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 6:35 pm dana
falcon

still seem like villagers to me, got quite a bit to build from

Did Mac push Dana?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat May 01, 2021 6:24 pm Anyways, TSP Industries will be solving the game today. My four loyal employees will be doing the grueling labor of searching the thread for w/w interactions, while I will be contributing the entrepreneurial value of having brought all of these minds together in the first place.

I don't work for you.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Apr 30, 2021 3:09 pm

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Fri Apr 30, 2021 2:59 pm

Gavial wrote: ↑Fri Apr 30, 2021 2:17 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Apr 30, 2021 11:25 am JJJ had Mac in his POE pretty consistently as well. Why is Mac town again? Half his ISO are just random assertions w/ little to no backup. While he does have some posts that flesh out some of his reads, some of them are pretty soft reasons. Also, he's been pushing Seanzie since the beginning, why isn't he pushing his original, most consistent scum read over Gav?

His chat with him had him as “TR”
Seems like scum theatre to me.
Think about it.
They both SR’ed each other and needed to TR each other (180) and came up with a way of doing it, this way.

Now here’s the thing
Sean chose Mac.
Mac chose no one.

Think maybe neither have a chat and they are just discussing this in their scum chat?
@Dana
@Marmot
@TonyStarkPrime

1) it has been said before that chats get rng’d if you don’t pick somebody to chat with
2) i am not in a chat with anybody else and this is verifiable
3) mac didn’t choose and rng’d on me and i picked him. the odds of that coincidence as wolves would be pretty high. you might say unbelievably/impossibly high

No it's not. The odds of 2 people having the same birthday in a room of 23 is over 50%, so I highly doubt given this game's size that the odds of what you describe occurring are all that unbelievable.

The odds don't change if they are wolves or not though, so JPIC's point 3 here should just be disregarded completely.

My stomach hurts, and I can't tell if it is because I just ate too much curry or if it is because I just read all of Gav's recent posts.

Nobody has expressed any issues with the names on this list when I asked earlier:

Dana
Esooa
Justplayingitcool
Nanook
tedxtr

We need one more though. Can everyone try to give a reason to townread at least one person that is not on this list?

Gavial wrote: ↑Fri Apr 30, 2021 12:10 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Apr 30, 2021 12:09 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 11:36 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 11:34 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 11:01 pm

Gavial wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 8:23 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 7:57 pm Mac and I have been talking about Jay's list of 6. Today we only need 5 town though, and this list looks good IMO:

Dana
Esooa
Justplayingitcool
Nanook
tedxtr

Also, [VOTE: TSP] aubergine

Are you Mac’s partner because that list plus you two contains the scum team.

You left out Me, Falcon, TSP, Marmot
3 of which are like Town Core.

if I am Mac's partner, then this list of 5 I am offering is winning for town.

You still need 6

Actually, no. The idea of 6 is that even if Mafia kills each time in the list, there are still enough townies left to win. Since mafia killed JJJ, which was not on that list, it only needs 5.

11 alive, the list needs to be six.

Esooa
Marmot
TSP
Falcon
Town
Town

Gav, if this is your list of townies, why are you currently voting Esooa?

Dana wrote: ↑Fri Apr 30, 2021 12:12 am

Gavial wrote: ↑Fri Apr 30, 2021 12:06 am Town wants:
PoE Button
Town Core Button


Clicks PoE.

these are the same button?? you make the town list and then PoE the rest...??

This is one of the hardest things I've had to grapple with since I started playing Mafia... this is how the phrase "PoE" should be used, but often it just means "scumreads" not, people left over after doing any sort of process of elimination.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Apr 30, 2021 12:09 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 11:36 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 11:34 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 11:01 pm

Gavial wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 8:23 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 7:57 pm Mac and I have been talking about Jay's list of 6. Today we only need 5 town though, and this list looks good IMO:

Dana
Esooa
Justplayingitcool
Nanook
tedxtr

Also, [VOTE: TSP] aubergine

Are you Mac’s partner because that list plus you two contains the scum team.

You left out Me, Falcon, TSP, Marmot
3 of which are like Town Core.

if I am Mac's partner, then this list of 5 I am offering is winning for town.

You still need 6

Actually, no. The idea of 6 is that even if Mafia kills each time in the list, there are still enough townies left to win. Since mafia killed JJJ, which was not on that list, it only needs 5.

11 alive, the list needs to be six.

Yes, yes, make fun. The math guy got it wrong. I misunderstood JJJ and didn't rethink.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 11:44 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 11:35 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 4:41 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 4:33 pm Not even because he’s probably town but for other reasons that may or may not exist

What other reasons are those?

@TonyStarkPrime here.

Revealing this information is not in our national interests

This is not a raisins game, so I don't buy this. Spill.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 11:43 pm You clearly need 6. With 5 you have a POE of 6. We need a POE of 5. I volunteer myself to complete the list.

Yes, you're right now that I think about it. I didn't bother to check JJJ's math because he seemed to know what he was doing... but I think perhaps he was doing this from HIS perspective, which would be a list of size 7. We do need a list of size 6.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 11:35 pm I don’t remember the question but why haven’t you answered it is like peak Twitter engagement. This is not Twitter, this is mafia

First off, this is AIM. I don't even know what Myspace is yet, let alone twitter.

Second off, you're avoiding the actual questions I've asked you.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 11:34 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 11:01 pm

Gavial wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 8:23 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 7:57 pm Mac and I have been talking about Jay's list of 6. Today we only need 5 town though, and this list looks good IMO:

Dana
Esooa
Justplayingitcool
Nanook
tedxtr

Also, [VOTE: TSP] aubergine

Are you Mac’s partner because that list plus you two contains the scum team.

You left out Me, Falcon, TSP, Marmot
3 of which are like Town Core.

if I am Mac's partner, then this list of 5 I am offering is winning for town.

You still need 6

Actually, no. The idea of 6 is that even if Mafia kills each time in the list, there are still enough townies left to win. Since mafia killed JJJ, which was not on that list, it only needs 5.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 4:41 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 4:33 pm Not even because he’s probably town but for other reasons that may or may not exist

What other reasons are those?

@TonyStarkPrime here.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 11:32 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 11:01 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 8:25 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 7:57 pm Mac and I have been talking about Jay's list of 6. Today we only need 5 town though, and this list looks good IMO:

Dana
Esooa
Justplayingitcool
Nanook
tedxtr

Also, [VOTE: TSP] aubergine

Oh that’s suspicious

Care to elaborate? Also, are you ever going to answer the question I asked you earlier?

What’s the question you asked me

How about you elaborate here first?

I honestly don't remember the question, but I remember you didn't answer. I'll go find it, but please... what is sus here?

So, does anyone have any issues with this list of 5 names as being town?:

Dana
Esooa
Justplayingitcool
Nanook
tedxtr

In particular, this is a list of 5 people that IF they are all town, and we don't vote them, we win. Four of them were from JJJ's list of 6 town. JJJ originally also had Marmot and Falcon on this list, and Mac did not want Falcon, while I wasn't keen on Marmot, but we both felt good about Nook, so we did that substitution (also the list needs only to be 5 people long since JJJ was not on it but was NK'd)

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 10:37 pm

Dana wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 10:13 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 10:08 pm

Dana wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 10:04 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 9:49 pm Can we please collectively agree to ignore seth when he's doing this

Don't encourage it

i'll hear him out. it might not end up making much sense but I dont see the harm in letting him chat... and more activity is probably better than less, right?

It often isn't

why not?

Throwing a bunch of largely incoherent nonsense into the thread and having it engaged with isn't really good for town or a healthy thread state

^this. I actually thought about responding to a few posts, but I figured it is not a good idea to.

For the record, I just ended a game where I was scum and Gav was town, and we kept him around partially because he altered the thread state in a way that advantaged us (Sorry Gav:/).

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 8:25 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 7:57 pm Mac and I have been talking about Jay's list of 6. Today we only need 5 town though, and this list looks good IMO:

Dana
Esooa
Justplayingitcool
Nanook
tedxtr

Also, [VOTE: TSP] aubergine

Oh that’s suspicious

Care to elaborate? Also, are you ever going to answer the question I asked you earlier?

Gavial wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 8:23 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 7:57 pm Mac and I have been talking about Jay's list of 6. Today we only need 5 town though, and this list looks good IMO:

Dana
Esooa
Justplayingitcool
Nanook
tedxtr

Also, [VOTE: TSP] aubergine

Are you Mac’s partner because that list plus you two contains the scum team.

You left out Me, Falcon, TSP, Marmot
3 of which are like Town Core.

if I am Mac's partner, then this list of 5 I am offering is winning for town.

Mac and I have been talking about Jay's list of 6. Today we only need 5 town though, and this list looks good IMO:

Dana
Esooa
Justplayingitcool
Nanook
tedxtr

Also, [VOTE: TSP] aubergine

Is this the graveyard? Did I die somehow?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 4:33 pm Not even because he’s probably town but for other reasons that may or may not exist

What other reasons are those?

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 4:27 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 4:10 pm

Dana wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 3:54 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 3:18 pm Thread is dead. I feel like everyone is just set on lunching Gavial and not doing anything else today. JJJ yesterday said specifically to avoid letting the thread get this way, so uh... people who are around, please do something.

I'mma just throw out a tinfoil that the scumteam is exactly Mac/Marmot. Mm, thoughts?

i am open to changing my mind, just convince me that im being manipulated and ill be all for it.

idk about a mac/marmot team but i did bring up the idea in btsc that there could be one mafia between them. general consensus seemed to be that they're both town but in their own ways that dont always seem to compliment each other perfectly

In BTSC yesterday, I talked a bit with Marmot about how I thought Mac's push on me was slimy, and he seemed to want to talk more about JJJ (not scumreading JJJ, but explaining JJJ to me), but then close to the end of the day, Marmot was just like "Mac is scum with Nook, pass it on" (paraphrased, even if in quotes, because rules and all), without really any explanation, which pinged me.

Marmot did the same thing in our chat D1 fwiw

Hmm, okay. That is good to know.

Dana wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 3:54 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Apr 29, 2021 3:18 pm Thread is dead. I feel like everyone is just set on lunching Gavial and not doing anything else today. JJJ yesterday said specifically to avoid letting the thread get this way, so uh... people who are around, please do something.

I'mma just throw out a tinfoil that the scumteam is exactly Mac/Marmot. Mm, thoughts?

i am open to changing my mind, just convince me that im being manipulated and ill be all for it.

idk about a mac/marmot team but i did bring up the idea in btsc that there could be one mafia between them. general consensus seemed to be that they're both town but in their own ways that dont always seem to compliment each other perfectly

I think their treatment of each other has been weird, but I've been in BTSC with both of them, so that might be affecting my thoughts.

In BTSC yesterday, I talked a bit with Marmot about how I thought Mac's push on me was slimy, and he seemed to want to talk more about JJJ (not scumreading JJJ, but explaining JJJ to me), but then close to the end of the day, Marmot was just like "Mac is scum with Nook, pass it on" (paraphrased, even if in quotes, because rules and all), without really any explanation, which pinged me.

Then Mac in BTSC today I mentioned something Marmot said, and Mac responded by calling Marmot scum, but again without really any explanation or anything. I know Mac did mention this in thread a few times, but it doesn't feel like real suspicion from Mac, and it seems like Mac has been looking for any other target today.

So like, it feels more like distancing than suspicion from them. I didn't get a chance to really talk to Mac in BTSC yet though, so hopefully later we'll both be on at the same time so I can figure him out.

Boo!