The Syndicate

GG everyone. Well done Ris and Wilgy!

Sorry Lily and Creature for misreading you. Glad I at least found Falcon though.

Polls locked, who was it?

if ris is resigned then I guess that's it. good job wolves.

ris, vote Wilgy.

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Wed Nov 16, 2022 7:26 pm

risiinq- wrote: ↑Wed Nov 16, 2022 7:22 pm

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Wed Nov 16, 2022 7:19 pm

risiinq- wrote: ↑Wed Nov 16, 2022 7:18 pm hey lily why do you tr falcon

hey wilgy what's ur team atm

i don't tr falcon

ok, so do you tr anyone? do u have a team

or are u just really sure on seanzie

it's ether

seanzie/wilgy

or

seanzie/falcon

seanzie is the common denominator and the person who had gotten both wagoned villagers killed therefore I vote seanzie

i TR you and am leaning that the team is seanzie/falcon because Wilgy seems a lot townier than falcon

Lily supported my Creature case and broke the tie eod2 but of course all this is my fault and not at all hers...
Yup.

risiinq- wrote: ↑Wed Nov 16, 2022 7:46 pm [VOTE: seanzie] aubergine


aaaaA

ill be back in 10 minutes

plz vote someone else. I'm town.

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Wed Nov 16, 2022 7:51 pm sean and falcon are strangely mia

I have a job.

@risiinq- please check in and confirm you know when EoD is.

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Wed Nov 16, 2022 6:08 pm or were roles randed without alignments in mind

"Flavor and role not tied to alignment"

Also you claim you were something that you didn't know what it would or would not do, and considering the roles I've seen flip and my own role, I could easily see Frank!Nanook giving a wolf a weird role like that, I'd kinda guess that like almost all our roles are like largely useless with the exception of some crazy edge case.

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Wed Nov 16, 2022 6:03 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Nov 16, 2022 5:57 pm

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Wed Nov 16, 2022 5:55 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Nov 16, 2022 5:51 pm

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Wed Nov 16, 2022 5:50 pm let's just vote sean here and go to f3 pls

I'm clearly town and you're clearly partners with Wilgy (you never did answer what happened to your sus on Wilgy or how I make sense partnered with anyone other than Wilgy btw).

this aint ur town game I respect your town game a lot more than this lol

I am saying kill you and then resolve wilgy/falcon in f3. It could be wilgy yeah but he seemed way more inquisitive and solvey than falcon prior, I do think he can be your partner though

You don't know me, please don't pretend to.

You still aren't addressing the issue. Explain how my EoD2 makes any sense unless it is exactly Seanzie/Wilgy. Because earlier today you somehow went from heavily suspecting Wilgy D2, to more-or-less dropping that and pushing Seanzie/Falcon, even though the main reason you were pushing me over makes no sense in a Seanzie/Falcon world.

I've played a few games with you here and I have a hard time seeing you as a villager leading the wagon on a villager day 1, and then creating a tie to kill a flipped villager day 2 and then touting that you're "clearly town." I don't need to know your meta super well to know that's weird and not how I perceive you as a villager.

I'm not here to solve teams in f5. I'm here to kill the wolf that has powerwolfed the whole game and then if I'm alive in f3 I will analyze spew and check isos and find your teammate.

@falcon45ca can we please kill this?

"Seanzie's outed because he made a tie!" tie only makes sense in Seanzie/Wilgy world "I'm not considering teammates!" then why is the tie a bad thing? "Seanzie's outed because he made a tie!"

This is a wolf that doesn't have an actual argument and so is just trying to skim by on their shallow case that isn't thought through.

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Wed Nov 16, 2022 5:55 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Nov 16, 2022 5:51 pm

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Wed Nov 16, 2022 5:50 pm let's just vote sean here and go to f3 pls

I'm clearly town and you're clearly partners with Wilgy (you never did answer what happened to your sus on Wilgy or how I make sense partnered with anyone other than Wilgy btw).

this aint ur town game I respect your town game a lot more than this lol

I am saying kill you and then resolve wilgy/falcon in f3. It could be wilgy yeah but he seemed way more inquisitive and solvey than falcon prior, I do think he can be your partner though

You don't know me, please don't pretend to.

You still aren't addressing the issue. Explain how my EoD2 makes any sense unless it is exactly Seanzie/Wilgy. Because earlier today you somehow went from heavily suspecting Wilgy D2, to more-or-less dropping that and pushing Seanzie/Falcon, even though the main reason you were pushing me over makes no sense in a Seanzie/Falcon world.

The only thing that is giving me pause on my solve is the fact that Ris kind of feels disconnected from the game.

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Wed Nov 16, 2022 5:50 pm let's just vote sean here and go to f3 pls

I'm clearly town and you're clearly partners with Wilgy (you never did answer what happened to your sus on Wilgy or how I make sense partnered with anyone other than Wilgy btw).

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Wed Nov 16, 2022 5:32 pmhello

Hello!

*yawn*

@risiinq- you haven't voted yet. It's okay, but I just wanted to make sure you're aware that EoD is later today (in about 5.5 hours), so I want to make sure you do vote before then.

I'm going to laugh if its Falcon/Rising and I'm just here 3rd wolfing

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Nov 16, 2022 10:31 am I have to trust somebody this RD, and it's risiin. He's not as clear as I'd like tbh, but I have to start somewhere.


My POE has 2/3 in Wilgy, Lily and Sean, and based off EOD, it's Wilgy that should be first. Whomever his teammate is is gonna push for the other one to flip first, ie Sean is gonna want Lily if he's W, and Lily is gonna want Sean if she's W, so our best strat is my mind is Wilgy first.

It is true that I want Lily first, but I am like 98% convinced on the team at this point, so I am okay with Wilgy first.

risiinq- wrote: ↑Wed Nov 16, 2022 9:04 am can you talk about why you feel meh on me being scum more? cuz i felt like that post about me being the deciding vote was a bit tmi-ing on me being town when you were previously genuinely sussing my slot and now you're "fine" with it

I didn't really sus your slot. I said that to see how people would react, but almost no one reacted.

Anyways, at some point earlier in the game I suspected you, but I don't anymore. It's not TMI to notice that Lily and Wilgy are always going to vote together, and to know that I am almost always going to try to vote with Falcon because they are the one I trust, and I am 99.9% sure Lily and Wilgy will vote either me or Falcon, and I don't want to vote you, so there will almost always be a cross here between the four of us, and your vote will be the tiebreaker. I see how you could try to think of that as TMI, but I don't actually assume anything about your alignment here, just that your vote is the only one that I don't really know approximately where it will land yet.

I thought more about the Lily/WIlgy thing, and I think the game is just over.

Let's look at Lily's D3. To set the scene remember that we just had EoD2 where it was Wilgy/Screen, and Lily "really wanted Wilgy to go over" and I tied it, and Lily moved to Screen.

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 8:13 pm sean is probably the clearest wolf from eod lol

So Lily thinks I'm a wolf. Why would my EoD be wolfy? It makes sense in a Seanzie/Wilgy world, but really doesn't in any other world (at least at a level 1 level, but regardless)

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 8:41 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 8:28 pm Lily run by me your suspicion on me again, you disliked my views on your progression yes?

Falcon, you too. Why was I voted?

Screen I guess I get, but what prompted the other suspicion on me?

I mean i was a day 1 read. Nothing really set in stone, but I disliked how you handled your read on me. I do find it super suspicious that seanzie saved you though lol

either way I'm most likely voting seanzie today.

Now this is how LIly treats Wilgy, the person whom Lily wanted dead D2 and the person that in any reasonable world town!Lily would assume was my partnert from EoD2. They do throw in the "I do find it suspicious that Seanzie saved you though", but otherwise this is a MAJOR 180 on Wilgy, brushing off their earlier suspicion as if it was nothing, and not expressing any major suspicion (aside from a little tying of me and Wilgy together)

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 9:26 pm [VOTE: seanzie] aubergine

Okay, votes me, still seems locked into thinking I must be wolf based off EoD2 without considering Wilgy at all.

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 10:16 pm Does seem to be Sean falcon though.

Woah there! Falcon? Uh.... what happened to Wilgy? How does my EoD2 make sense as wolfy with this team? Is this just OMGUS on Falcon, or... could it be... they want to win today...?

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 10:23 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 10:19 pm

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 10:15 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 10:10 pm

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 10:04 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 10:00 pm

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 10:00 pm

It was the responsible town thing to do after you put us to a tie 3 minutes before eod

Why is a tie an issue?

I was under the impression a tie would mean no one dies, no?

How I see it is you voted screen forcing it to 3-3

Eod was inactive and I was the only one there to stop it so in my eyes you were either hardcore griefing or a wolf. I was forced to vote screen despite TRing him to break the tie. You then used me swapping my vote to justify your vote. Just bad stuff lol

And then if you were town you would enter today voting me so you voting Snow is incredibly weird and almost outing. Why didn't you enter the day sus of me?

Were you on me prior to Screen?

Yes. I think had you died the game would be solved lol

Don't understand this one. You'd be saying the same thing about Screen had I flipped.

I thought screen was town so if you died me screen snow alive it's just falcon sean

Or u flip wolf kill Sean-> falcon game ends

Absolutely no paranoia about Wilgy here aside from a little forgotten thought at the end that they have to consider a world where Wilgy is wolf. They went from wanting Wigly dead D2 to this.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 10:28 pm That makes sense I suppose.

I just started on Lily ISO, but I'm just hung up on something.

Does Sean honestly believe in a Lily/Wilgy team? Sean's position right now is somewhat silly. If they are town and suspecting me, my teammate would have to be Falcon who they are hard town reading. Doesn't make sense.

Now here's Wilgy... did they ever actually ISO Lily? It seems like this is an excuse to try to keep pressure on me and off Lily.

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 12:02 am anyway we all agree sean is 100% outed scum so let's just vote there first anyway

Still hasn't considered a Sean/Wilgy team even though that was the whole premise of them thnking I was outed scum based on EoD2.

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Yeah, that's a wrap folks. This is a wolf. Wilgy is their partner. They want to win today, which is why Lily has insta-dropped all sus of Wilgy and is now gunning for me and solely me (because Falcon isn't a miselim I will allow, so they have little choice but to push here).

risiinq- wrote: ↑Wed Nov 16, 2022 8:49 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Nov 16, 2022 8:31 am It seems bery likely that Rising will be the deciding vote, so @risiinq- I am an open book, come find me and let me help you find Falcon too.

k, can you tell me why you think lily/wilgy fit tgt as a team?

I think it is wholeheartedly possibly that Lily used the tie last night as an excuse to save Wilgy, whom before when I was strongly pushing against a screen elim, Wilgy kind of needed to be bussed until that opportunity presented itself.

Aside from that, it is more about independent scumreads on each one along with a social clear on Falcon and feeling just kinda meh about the idea of you being scum.

risiinq- wrote: ↑Wed Nov 16, 2022 8:36 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Nov 16, 2022 8:31 am It seems bery likely that Rising will be the deciding vote, so @risiinq- I am an open book, come find me and let me help you find Falcon too.

can you explain your falcon townread to me?

hopefully specifically, its fine if its not tryhard but yes i do need to find people

Falcon doesn't like wolfing. It makes him uncomfortable having to lie and make stuff up. He can do it to a degree, but ime when he does, his posts ring hallow and you can catch him clearly feeling uncomfortable about pushes and things. I don't feel that at all here. Read his ISO, not for content, but for comfort level.

It seems bery likely that Rising will be the deciding vote, so @risiinq- I am an open book, come find me and let me help you find Falcon too.

I think I'm at Lily>Wilgy>Rising>Falcon.

If I'm wrong on Falcon, sorry. I am also kind of okay giving Rising a pass today, even though I don't think they're beyond reproach.

Lily/Wilgy do fit as a team. I think Lily/Rising is more likely than Wilgy/Rising (even though idk why? It just feels more right), so I'd prefer Lily but am okay staying on Wilgy right now to consolidate votes.

risiinq- wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 8:49 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 10:09 am

risiinq- wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 6:57 am i misread srceenplay tho, i have no idea what went wrong there

i don't think lily moving her vote was bad for her but i am curious why after being called out on that she has spent a few posts defending herself from specifically that

btw @Lilypetal can u lmk ur claim more clearly? i never got it

like, u detected a post with lie detector and got no result

and then u turned vt

so did u know u were like a 1-shot lie detector?

Don't do this. @Lilypetal be careful. I didn't know this until yesterday but scum has a flavor vig, which can easily lose us the game if anyone fullclaims.

where does it say this?

Nanook told us so in wolf chat.

I think it's Rising.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 1:43 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 12:03 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 11:20 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 10:15 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 10:11 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 10:03 am Ehh... I've made backwards progress.

I am no longer so convinced Neon's kill says much about Rising.

In a w!rising world, wolves know Neon's check is fake, and if they didn't kill Neon, the question "why didn't Neon die?" would have been the main point of discussion, which would have forced Neon\Rising into the spotlight. Neon would have probably outed that she just RB'd Rising so it isn't a hard clear, and we all would have probably come to the conclusion that Rising is a wolf, since otherwise one of Neon or Rising would've been NK'd. This ends almost always with Rising being the elim.

So what other option would a w!Rising team have, other than to kill Neon and hope that it makes it look like wolves believed Neon's claim?

Now, I want to make sure it is clear, I am NOT saying that this is evidence of w!Rising, instead, I think Neon's clear is not evidence of t!Rising, and the NK is Rising-alignment agnostic.

Which is kind of unfortunate because it does make the game much harder.

And before y'all try to make out like I'm trying to widen the PoE, I am doing that, but only because I am not convinced of my current solve, and so am doing due-diligence in F5.

Neon this is why you tell town as much as you can about your checks when you out them, or at least before the EOD, cuz now we're in speculation city

I don't think we are in speculation city about Neon's action. I think it is almost certain that Neon RB'd Rising night 1, and that was her "soft clear", which does give a little weight to town!Rising, and if they are wolf, they are likely wolf with someone who was in a better thread position than Rising was in after d1.

Her roleblock does not stop factional abilities, we are in spec city.

Hmm... so it doesn't...

Thoughts on Lily thinking a tie would be a no lynch? Do you believe her?

I believe her, but as I've already explained, I don't think that says much about her alignment.

To me the question is if town!Lily would have switched to Screen or screamed as the thread to get someone to move to Wilgy. idk what I think about that yet.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 11:36 am

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 10:16 pm Does seem to be Sean falcon though.

Like, why does W Sean create a tie if the wagons are T/T? What's the motivation?



I don't see how you view Sean as W!, who didn't try and save his partner by at least tying wagons for either a no lynch, or a coin toss...why am I his partner in this scenario?


It doesn't make sense that W! Sean does that unless Wilgy is his teammate

Ehh... actually I learned that trick from Dizzy - as a wolf it can be a good idea to mess with t/t wagons. If you flip before wagons are resolved, people suspect the wagoned, if the wagons flip before you do, people clear you for being so involved in t/t wagons where it doesn't make sense to be (in a level 0 way) as wolf.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 11:20 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 10:15 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 10:11 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 10:03 am Ehh... I've made backwards progress.

I am no longer so convinced Neon's kill says much about Rising.

In a w!rising world, wolves know Neon's check is fake, and if they didn't kill Neon, the question "why didn't Neon die?" would have been the main point of discussion, which would have forced Neon\Rising into the spotlight. Neon would have probably outed that she just RB'd Rising so it isn't a hard clear, and we all would have probably come to the conclusion that Rising is a wolf, since otherwise one of Neon or Rising would've been NK'd. This ends almost always with Rising being the elim.

So what other option would a w!Rising team have, other than to kill Neon and hope that it makes it look like wolves believed Neon's claim?

Now, I want to make sure it is clear, I am NOT saying that this is evidence of w!Rising, instead, I think Neon's clear is not evidence of t!Rising, and the NK is Rising-alignment agnostic.

Which is kind of unfortunate because it does make the game much harder.

And before y'all try to make out like I'm trying to widen the PoE, I am doing that, but only because I am not convinced of my current solve, and so am doing due-diligence in F5.

Neon this is why you tell town as much as you can about your checks when you out them, or at least before the EOD, cuz now we're in speculation city

I don't think we are in speculation city about Neon's action. I think it is almost certain that Neon RB'd Rising night 1, and that was her "soft clear", which does give a little weight to town!Rising, and if they are wolf, they are likely wolf with someone who was in a better thread position than Rising was in after d1.

Her roleblock does not stop factional abilities, we are in spec city.

Hmm... so it doesn't...

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 10:21 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 7:32 am Speaking of which,

@Lilypetal can you put me in your headspace during that tie? What sis you think of the fact that I moved to screen play? Did you try to get me or anyone else around to move back? Dis the whole thing happen fast or did it feel like time had slowed down?

i normally play mafia while doing other stuff and i went to this tab and saw u had made it a tie so i was like what the fuck ever and voted screen after like complaining abt u making it a tie

if i remember correctly

i was doing something else so i couldn't rly threadcamp and see if u would change it back

i just went ugh this bitch a wolf

Why would me making it a tie make me a wolf? In a world where ties are no-elims, wouldn't that be TWTBAW?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 10:11 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 10:03 am Ehh... I've made backwards progress.

I am no longer so convinced Neon's kill says much about Rising.

In a w!rising world, wolves know Neon's check is fake, and if they didn't kill Neon, the question "why didn't Neon die?" would have been the main point of discussion, which would have forced Neon\Rising into the spotlight. Neon would have probably outed that she just RB'd Rising so it isn't a hard clear, and we all would have probably come to the conclusion that Rising is a wolf, since otherwise one of Neon or Rising would've been NK'd. This ends almost always with Rising being the elim.

So what other option would a w!Rising team have, other than to kill Neon and hope that it makes it look like wolves believed Neon's claim?

Now, I want to make sure it is clear, I am NOT saying that this is evidence of w!Rising, instead, I think Neon's clear is not evidence of t!Rising, and the NK is Rising-alignment agnostic.

Which is kind of unfortunate because it does make the game much harder.

And before y'all try to make out like I'm trying to widen the PoE, I am doing that, but only because I am not convinced of my current solve, and so am doing due-diligence in F5.

Neon this is why you tell town as much as you can about your checks when you out them, or at least before the EOD, cuz now we're in speculation city

I don't think we are in speculation city about Neon's action. I think it is almost certain that Neon RB'd Rising night 1, and that was her "soft clear", which does give a little weight to town!Rising, and if they are wolf, they are likely wolf with someone who was in a better thread position than Rising was in after d1.

risiinq- wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 6:57 am i misread srceenplay tho, i have no idea what went wrong there

i don't think lily moving her vote was bad for her but i am curious why after being called out on that she has spent a few posts defending herself from specifically that

btw @Lilypetal can u lmk ur claim more clearly? i never got it

like, u detected a post with lie detector and got no result

and then u turned vt

so did u know u were like a 1-shot lie detector?

Don't do this. @Lilypetal be careful. I didn't know this until yesterday but scum has a flavor vig, which can easily lose us the game if anyone fullclaims.

Ehh... I've made backwards progress.

I am no longer so convinced Neon's kill says much about Rising.

In a w!rising world, wolves know Neon's check is fake, and if they didn't kill Neon, the question "why didn't Neon die?" would have been the main point of discussion, which would have forced Neon\Rising into the spotlight. Neon would have probably outed that she just RB'd Rising so it isn't a hard clear, and we all would have probably come to the conclusion that Rising is a wolf, since otherwise one of Neon or Rising would've been NK'd. This ends almost always with Rising being the elim.

So what other option would a w!Rising team have, other than to kill Neon and hope that it makes it look like wolves believed Neon's claim?

Now, I want to make sure it is clear, I am NOT saying that this is evidence of w!Rising, instead, I think Neon's clear is not evidence of t!Rising, and the NK is Rising-alignment agnostic.

Which is kind of unfortunate because it does make the game much harder.

And before y'all try to make out like I'm trying to widen the PoE, I am doing that, but only because I am not convinced of my current solve, and so am doing due-diligence in F5.

@DrWilgy sell me on Falcon.

[VOTE: Wilgy] aubergine

remembered my vote was still on Rising.

risiinq- wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 7:31 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Nov 15, 2022 7:30 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 11:57 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 11:52 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 11:42 pm The WaGoNoMiCs argument is bad and will stay bad.

Spelling words with mixed caps and lower cases doesn't make it invalid.


You don't look at wagon patterns when hunting wolves eh? Interesting

No, but it being your entire argument and case is weak.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 11:55 pm Why are ties bad?



Well, if your wolf teammate is one of the wagons, yeah.



There's no reason a tie was anti-town last RD, except if Wilgy is Maf.

So you don't believe Lily's claim that they thought a tie would be a no lynch? Or do you believe Lily and think that it makes it scumsided to avoid a no lynch?

There is a third possibility, that Lily used the tie as an excuse to do something they thought they would look townie while also saving a partner

you think lily using the tie as an excuse is towny??

Regardless of Lily's alignment, I kind of believe Lily thought a tie would be a no-elim, so I could easily see wolf!Lily think that breaking a tie would be a good look, yes.

Speaking of which,

@Lilypetal can you put me in your headspace during that tie? What sis you think of the fact that I moved to screen play? Did you try to get me or anyone else around to move back? Dis the whole thing happen fast or did it feel like time had slowed down?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 11:57 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 11:52 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 11:42 pm The WaGoNoMiCs argument is bad and will stay bad.

Spelling words with mixed caps and lower cases doesn't make it invalid.


You don't look at wagon patterns when hunting wolves eh? Interesting

No, but it being your entire argument and case is weak.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 11:55 pm Why are ties bad?



Well, if your wolf teammate is one of the wagons, yeah.



There's no reason a tie was anti-town last RD, except if Wilgy is Maf.

So you don't believe Lily's claim that they thought a tie would be a no lynch? Or do you believe Lily and think that it makes it scumsided to avoid a no lynch?

There is a third possibility, that Lily used the tie as an excuse to do something they thought they would look townie while also saving a partner

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 11:55 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 11:51 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 11:42 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 11:30 pm Yeah, Wilgys pretty much outted I'd say

You were voting me before the EoD debacle, so clearly your reasoning is false.
Desired a moment to ensure that I'm not conf biasing into your vote and instead of solving you're like 'nah outed wolf clearly'

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 11:34 pm

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 6:58 pm we need to not tie lol

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 6:59 pm [VOTE: screen] aubergine

dont want tie

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 7:04 pm Screen (4): neon, lily, risiinq, sean
Wilgy (2): screen, falcon
Not voting (1): wilgy

There's no reason at all for this to have happened unless Wilgy is Maf.

Or you were voting me, Screen needed to save themselves and Lily didn't trust the tie? Hmmm????

You weren't outted when I was voting you. EOD thp, that was very outting, and it should be clear as day

More bs and you know it. You can say 'outted outted' without reason until you are blue and it doesn't make it an actual statement. Town Falcon 100% would be weighing the Lily/Seanzie team here.

I mean, tbf you seem to not be considering a lily team at all?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 10:18 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 10:13 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 10:11 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 10:10 pm

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 10:04 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 10:00 pm

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 10:00 pm

It was the responsible town thing to do after you put us to a tie 3 minutes before eod

Why is a tie an issue?

I was under the impression a tie would mean no one dies, no?

How I see it is you voted screen forcing it to 3-3

Eod was inactive and I was the only one there to stop it so in my eyes you were either hardcore griefing or a wolf. I was forced to vote screen despite TRing him to break the tie. You then used me swapping my vote to justify your vote. Just bad stuff lol

And then if you were town you would enter today voting me so you voting Snow is incredibly weird and almost outing. Why didn't you enter the day sus of me?

Were you on me prior to Screen?

Yes

Oh, I thought this was to me, but yes Lily was on Wilgy prior to Screen.

@DrWilgy I still haven't seen what spat is supposed to clear you/Lily.

Mainly this:

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Thu Nov 10, 2022 4:30 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 10, 2022 4:27 pm

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Thu Nov 10, 2022 4:24 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Nov 10, 2022 4:21 pm

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Thu Nov 10, 2022 10:58 am oh he is playing very close to how he did in that reanimators game ur right

But he's a TR? It's like you threw it out there just to make content and then realized Oops! It's NAI, oh wait it's W.

oh you're wolfing again

omgus?

i dunno your post just felt kinda forced like

i put out a tr basd on recent experiences with creature

sean counters with oh actually creature's play here more closely mirrors his wolf games here u go look at it

i read the wolf game and go oh shit you're right!

i vote creature

"but he's a TR" makes no sense to say because obviously I have seen evidence and changed my read accordingly

I'd be hard pressed to believe you think Lily and I are aligned after Lily goes in on me like so.

Uhh... did you quote the right post? Lily saying that "your posts just felt kinda forced" doesn't exactly scream "must be unteamed"?

Goodnight y'all!

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 10:11 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 10:10 pm

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 10:04 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 10:00 pm

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 10:00 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 9:52 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 9:51 pm [VOTE: sean] aubergine


Wilgy and Sean are Maf.

I'm sure you've seen me do vote shenanigans lile that regardless of my alignment.

Lily was the one to break the tie.

It was the responsible town thing to do after you put us to a tie 3 minutes before eod

Why is a tie an issue?

I was under the impression a tie would mean no one dies, no?

How I see it is you voted screen forcing it to 3-3

Eod was inactive and I was the only one there to stop it so in my eyes you were either hardcore griefing or a wolf. I was forced to vote screen despite TRing him to break the tie. You then used me swapping my vote to justify your vote. Just bad stuff lol

And then if you were town you would enter today voting me so you voting Snow is incredibly weird and almost outing. Why didn't you enter the day sus of me?

Were you on me prior to Screen?

Yes

Oh, I thought this was to me, but yes Lily was on Wilgy prior to Screen.

@DrWilgy I still haven't seen what spat is supposed to clear you/Lily.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 10:10 pm

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 10:04 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 10:00 pm

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 10:00 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 9:52 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 9:51 pm [VOTE: sean] aubergine


Wilgy and Sean are Maf.

I'm sure you've seen me do vote shenanigans lile that regardless of my alignment.

Lily was the one to break the tie.

It was the responsible town thing to do after you put us to a tie 3 minutes before eod

Why is a tie an issue?

I was under the impression a tie would mean no one dies, no?

How I see it is you voted screen forcing it to 3-3

Eod was inactive and I was the only one there to stop it so in my eyes you were either hardcore griefing or a wolf. I was forced to vote screen despite TRing him to break the tie. You then used me swapping my vote to justify your vote. Just bad stuff lol

And then if you were town you would enter today voting me so you voting Snow is incredibly weird and almost outing. Why didn't you enter the day sus of me?

Were you on me prior to Screen?

Yes

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 10:04 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 10:00 pm

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 10:00 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 9:52 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 9:51 pm [VOTE: sean] aubergine


Wilgy and Sean are Maf.

I'm sure you've seen me do vote shenanigans lile that regardless of my alignment.

Lily was the one to break the tie.

It was the responsible town thing to do after you put us to a tie 3 minutes before eod

Why is a tie an issue?

I was under the impression a tie would mean no one dies, no?

How I see it is you voted screen forcing it to 3-3

Eod was inactive and I was the only one there to stop it so in my eyes you were either hardcore griefing or a wolf. I was forced to vote screen despite TRing him to break the tie. You then used me swapping my vote to justify your vote. Just bad stuff lol

And then if you were town you would enter today voting me so you voting Snow is incredibly weird and almost outing. Why didn't you enter the day sus of me?

A tie likely rands since nothing is said in the setup.

After you moved I actually worried because in many Nanook games a tie is decided by wolves, and I only remembered that after you moved, so was worried about moving back.

If your actions at eod were from town, why would you expect me to come into today voting you? My mind was on Neon's flip and FPS clear.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 10:01 pm Also kinda reads like someone who's intentionally trying to emulate their town meta

at least we both want Wilgy.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 10:00 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 9:59 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 9:57 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 9:55 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 9:53 pm Sean had absolutely zero need to move except to save his Maf buddy Wilgy

Is this the primary suspicion towards both Sean and I? that interaction?

Sean has no reason to get on Screens wagon, and asked me to recindised my vote on their wagon earlier.


Surely you can see that pairing, or you and lily I spose as well.



You first tho

Check my voting record in like... almost all games I'm town in. I regularly purposefully tie things to see how people react. I do it so much that I sometimes purposefully emulate it when I'm a wolf because if I didn't, it might be suspicious.

Haha, given I'm already stating Wilgy needs to go first, this reads like someone who expects a red flip and is prepping for the next RD

I mean... I am expecting a red flip on Wilgy? And I do want to not be miselimed in F3? So... yes? But more so I'm not going to stand for you saying I had "no reason" to do something where my reason is clear.

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 10:00 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 9:52 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 9:51 pm [VOTE: sean] aubergine


Wilgy and Sean are Maf.

I'm sure you've seen me do vote shenanigans lile that regardless of my alignment.

Lily was the one to break the tie.

It was the responsible town thing to do after you put us to a tie 3 minutes before eod

Why is a tie an issue?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 9:57 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 9:55 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 9:53 pm Sean had absolutely zero need to move except to save his Maf buddy Wilgy

Is this the primary suspicion towards both Sean and I? that interaction?

Sean has no reason to get on Screens wagon, and asked me to recindised my vote on their wagon earlier.


Surely you can see that pairing, or you and lily I spose as well.



You first tho

Check my voting record in like... almost all games I'm town in. I regularly purposefully tie things to see how people react. I do it so much that I sometimes purposefully emulate it when I'm a wolf because if I didn't, it might be suspicious.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 9:53 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 9:52 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 9:51 pm [VOTE: sean] aubergine


Wilgy and Sean are Maf.

I'm sure you've seen me do vote shenanigans lile that regardless of my alignment.

Lily was the one to break the tie.

So it's Lily for you?

I agree with Wilgy that Ris is probably clear, and if I hold on to my townlean of you, then that only leaves Wilgy and Lily by PoE. Should I not townread you?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 9:45 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 9:40 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 14, 2022 9:28 pm Ris spends alot of time D1 mulling over Porscha.

risiinq- wrote: ↑Thu Nov 10, 2022 6:28 am

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 6:45 pm anyway porscha is already obv town lol i did it porscha i found u !!!

....maybe

i think i kinda agree

at least

i think porscha's later posts have been better

my judgement on an opener doesnt rly matter in the long run anyways

Ultimately ends with a TR on Porscha/Neon

risiinq- wrote: ↑Thu Nov 10, 2022 8:26 am porscha and neon are my temp town rn

neon bc of vibecheck - they're the one who feels the most comfortable in thread at all times imo

porscha partly bc of vibecheck, ig

i rmb there were a few posts i thought looked like v!porscha

granted i haven't actually played with w!porscha, but yea

And a slight green on Falc

risiinq- wrote: ↑Thu Nov 10, 2022 8:28 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Nov 10, 2022 1:34 am

Neon wrote: ↑Thu Nov 10, 2022 1:05 am

srceenplay wrote: ↑Wed Nov 09, 2022 10:50 pm Anyone want to snowball thoughts/ideas?

Always

Same...but what are screens thoughts?


They've got a "feels" vote on Sean, and also tossed in risiing as a teammate...then some stuff about how Maf want Town second guessing themselves...OK.


And then a comment on Lily not being worth a vote for...well, who knows cuz' screen doesn't say

i think it was this one tbh, looking at their iso now it's not as good as i thought it was fsr, but this commentary + sass was nice to see

And Sean,

risiinq- wrote: ↑Thu Nov 10, 2022 9:39 am my seanzie snapread is town bc mindmeld and bc how he's solving

gud huge post -> gud 180

not banking on it though

I would like to point out that the reads all feel really waffley.

risiinq- wrote: ↑Sat Nov 12, 2022 2:58 am

Lilypetal wrote: ↑Sat Nov 12, 2022 2:50 am level 1 world is something like screen snow

but i kinda think they're just confusing villagers

can u like... elaborate on this more? i kinda feel like i havent seen a lot of concrete reads from u

First and only real interaction with Lily. (also Ris hasn't interacted with me either, suppose I wasn't around much d2, so maybe this means nothing re Lily.)

Contributed to screenplay wagon

risiinq- wrote: ↑Sun Nov 13, 2022 10:32 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Nov 12, 2022 10:44 am

risiinq- wrote: ↑Sat Nov 12, 2022 2:59 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Nov 11, 2022 11:57 pm

I like voting screen, but I wouldn't say they were a strong wagon...I don't belive there was ever more than 2 votes on their slot IIRC

i mean... were there any competing wagons then

At EOD? Yes there were


Interesting to note that you claim that screen was a competing wagon, and then question if there were any competing wagons


[VOTE: risiin] aubergine

hm? wdym?

i say that i thought that srceen was a competing wagon iirc, you say there were never more than 2 votes on them (which really is not enough)

and then i question if there were any at all in that case

Last thing of interest was Falcon voting for some contrary statements.

~~~

There's not much from the ISO, but I think that furthers the idea that Ris wouldn't kill Neon here. I think Ris's iso is decently weak in the sense that there isn't much hunting being done. Not much to invalidate the Falcon/Ris theory I spoke about previously, but also it really doesn't make sense for it to be Ris under these conditions. Perhaps this is also supported by the Porscha interactions D1, but maybe I'm making too much of it.

Sean, what do you think? You seem to be vested in the Ris SR.

Easy enough then. I'm going to trust my Falcon townread, so I'm sure you can figure out where my head is at in a town!rising world.

So you are implying a Wilgy/Lily team in spite of our squabble?

Also, detail me on Falcon. I'm going through the ISO now and am up to Creature's flip. So far, I see Falcon asking alot of questions, but I'm not sure if I'm seeing the drawing of conclusions. Perhaps I'm looking for it too much as 'find where Falcon is avoiding lying' is how to catch them if W.

I don't remember any squabble, I just know they voted to save you when it counted and I am seeing better reasons to townread Falcon and Ris. Cite it and I will consider it.

Falcon often feels extremely stilted as a wolf, and I haven't felt that. I plan to re-eval them at some point, but I am tucked into bed right meow so that point will not be today.