The Syndicate

Dubz wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 10:04 am Is there a sort of...thread consensus POE so I can prioritize ISOs? I've only really looked at flips and where I was mentioned (will get to that shortly), and I skimmed end of D2 last night.

Dennis is outed. We are looking for more baddies. My eyes are on Nook. I am wary of Falcon and Roxy. People like Jack and Epi deserve more scrutiny IMO, but idk if this is consensus, but I am town KING, so what I say, goes.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 9:16 am Seanzie I am going to bed nowish, is there anywhere we are going before I do?

To Nook plz.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 5:29 am cheers

what do you think of roxy and matahari?

Vague bad feeling and vague good feeling, in that order.

Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 5:01 am I know we have to chop Dennis today, but I need a cw so I will
[VOTE: drWilgy] aubergine
and no, Mac is not the cw I want @RondoDimBuckle, @Seanzie

What about Nanook? Unhappy his name isn't being thrown around.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 3:40 am I think Seanzie will die before you and I think I will die before you. I think you will have two more tracks which is great

In terms of NKs, I agree with the first part, not the second. In terms of TKs, I agree with the second part, not the first.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 3:17 am Consider that it's day 3 and you are both still in the game as the most clearing thing about me because I actively would seek to remove you both from any game I was wolfing in as priority.

I'm untouchable. Got so many protekz on me. Rondo is... Rondo.

Im on a rampage; I already cleared one person and outd two others!

I'lll target Mac tomorrow.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 12:47 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 12:39 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 12:36 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 12:34 am [VOTE: Mac] aubergine
I am pretty much ignoring you atm cuz I am solving the game, you're probably just town who is enjoying a few bevvies at night and tossing around some silly alcohol inspired ideas, and nothing you are doing or saying to me at the moment is interesting. You're cute though.
I will target you tomorrrow. I am a super-cop so if you are bad, you're fudged.

If you're town you'd solve with me, bevvies or not.
I've been solving with you. I've answered all your questions. I'm just not "reacting" to your nonsense lol.

Ask me questions. I'm clear town, so use me.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 12:36 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 12:34 am [VOTE: Mac] aubergine
I am pretty much ignoring you atm cuz I am solving the game, you're probably just town who is enjoying a few bevvies at night and tossing around some silly alcohol inspired ideas, and nothing you are doing or saying to me at the moment is interesting. You're cute though.

Tell me about Thunal?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 12:37 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Jun 18, 2023 2:50 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Jun 18, 2023 2:48 am This weekend is not for mafia, I will be here in the afternoon (12 hours or so)

For any questions, ping me

Mac, I agree a low poster is hard to read but if that’s the way Matahari plays is even harder to make a choice.
Do you know about Kate, Dennis and Dubz?
Seanzie why did you include Dubz in this list yesterday?

Also as an RT, nothing else.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 12:37 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Jun 18, 2023 2:50 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Sun Jun 18, 2023 2:48 am This weekend is not for mafia, I will be here in the afternoon (12 hours or so)

For any questions, ping me

Mac, I agree a low poster is hard to read but if that’s the way Matahari plays is even harder to make a choice.
Do you know about Kate, Dennis and Dubz?
Seanzie why did you include Dubz in this list yesterday?

Because I am the counter to John Doe - You want to be as good as me.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 12:36 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 12:34 am [VOTE: Mac] aubergine
I am pretty much ignoring you atm cuz I am solving the game, you're probably just town who is enjoying a few bevvies at night and tossing around some silly alcohol inspired ideas, and nothing you are doing or saying to me at the moment is interesting. You're cute though.

I will target you tomorrrow. I am a super-cop so if you are bad, you're fudged.

If you're town you'd solve with me, bevvies or not.

[VOTE: Mac] aubergine

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 12:28 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2023 8:06 pm Reading me town for saying hi and for omgus it's also not very good, tutuu, and you have some dunno I could find a read for so why don't you have a read for them? Nook for eg, posted enough to deserve a read
I can see that you were thinking that Tutuu was sus because the consensus indicated it therefore there must have been something to it.

I can believe this perspective from you. It's kind of organic.

But now that we know it was bullshit, and I was pretty adamant I was seeing normal town Tutuu, I still want to torch every Tutuu voter who didn't have a reasonable perspective to be doing it. So off I go to find some victims. You aren't it.

Hello

i can still target you

I am a super cup and...

I can still target you

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 19, 2023 11:37 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 19, 2023 11:35 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 19, 2023 11:30 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jun 19, 2023 11:28 pm Any volunteers?
Wilgy
Dubz
Falcon
Epi
Matahari
Roxy

Target Epi with immediacy. He is the highest value solve in this list imo.
This is a good PoE tbh. I'm increasingly suspicious of Falcon since his solving seems different than I'm used to seeing from him. More appealing to the thread than, say, him throwing out that Splints/Zenon were w/w in Solar System without a care about what everyone else thought.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 12:49 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 10:08 am Falcon is mafia.

[VOTE: Falcon] aubergine

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2023 10:52 pm
I have a fairly confident town read on Falcon. Part of it was him calling tutuu's meme game off because the pic didn't match her description. That's the kind of nitpicky paranoia I think comes way more often from town. Same with him talking about the details with Kate's vegetable list. Even though that one isn't entirely serious, imo it still shows Falcon cares about looking for things that seem off. I think his willingness to sling mud and engage with the thread also leans towny.

Why is Falcon town?

Rampage! i HAVE A CLEAR because I am POWERFUL

I'm literally a super cop. I have 4 shots left. I am high as a kite. URRRGGGHHH!

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 19, 2023 11:59 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jun 19, 2023 11:52 pm The real question is; should I target Mac or Thun?
I find it extremely unlikely you are genuinely humouring the idea of targeting me. I don't understand the value of the reaction test but go off king. I'm pretty clearly the worst possible alignment check you could make in the game.

Imagine how much of a wet diarrhea fart it would be if you came back to the thread like "hey good news fam, Mac is town". People would hurl figurative garbage at you.

You think Thunal is clear, or no?

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 19, 2023 11:58 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jun 19, 2023 11:56 pm @Thunal33 any input?
Hi. I'd rather you target a PoE player since I think it would be a waste to choose either of us.

What is your PoE?

@Thunal33 any input?

@Thunal33 any input?

@MacDougall any input?

The real question is; should I target Mac or Thun?

Mac or dennis or Thumal

Mac or Thunal...

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 19, 2023 11:33 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jun 19, 2023 11:31 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 19, 2023 11:28 pm Dennis is outed baddie

DrWilgy is ...

Dubz ... was towny day 1, did they even post day 2? Where's Dubz? Someone was saying he was outed yesterday and I was assuming it was some sort of joke? Dubz got given a Zenon gift on n1 with three votes and then didn't even show up?

Epi is ...

falcon is ... alive ... which is weird

jack "self resolves" so is town

Mac is me, I am Mac

Matahari is ... kind of like ... rand but ... wolfy side of rand ... kinda want SVS to solve Matahari @S~V~S what say you?

Michelle is ... I thought towny for the omgus day 1 but that's too generous. @Thunal33 why u clearin'?

Nanook ... probably wouldn't have killed Zenon and Zenon looks like a fairly clear John Doe kill to me? And he's all level 1 and whatever which is fine. Like whatever townread the guy.

Rondo is all setup solving and stuff and I just think he's town now cuz like why not (HE KNOWS TOO MUCH DONT TRUST HIM).

Roxy is ... kind of like ... rand but ... wolfy side of rand ... kinda want SVS to solve Matahari @S~V~S what say you?

Seanzie teabags evil

S~V~S is a derpcleared IC

I looked at Thunal's ISO to see the thing I'm supposed to see to townread them and I couldn't find it but I'm townreading them now anyway

Sooooo

Thunal wants me to townread Michelle so fine.

Towncore

Thunal
Rondo
Nanook
SVS
Jack
Seanzie

Sussy baka list

Wilgy
Dubz
Falcon
Epi
Matahari
Roxy

We have John Doe and 5 sins left.

There are 6 names there.

If your name is there and you can self clear with mech. Do it.
Why is Thun so high and why is Falcon being alive so weird? The second thing is weird. weird weird weird weird weird.
I dunno Falcon is usually dead by day 3 if he's town cuz he goes all full Falcon polarised mode and the mafia compulsively handle business. He was widely townread day 1 and I am sus.

Why are you not sus?

I'm not sus because I'm John Doe.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Jun 19, 2023 11:29 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jun 19, 2023 11:28 pm Any volunteers?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jun 19, 2023 11:27 pm Also, why am I alive? Who knows....

Does anyone want to be cleared? I am better than a cop. If I target you, I will learn your alignment.
dont pick me it is a waste of your time

I believe you.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 19, 2023 11:30 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jun 19, 2023 11:28 pm Any volunteers?
Wilgy
Dubz
Falcon
Epi
Matahari
Roxy

Target Epi with immediacy. He is the highest value solve in this list imo.

But uh... you?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 19, 2023 11:28 pm Dennis is outed baddie

DrWilgy is ...

Dubz ... was towny day 1, did they even post day 2? Where's Dubz? Someone was saying he was outed yesterday and I was assuming it was some sort of joke? Dubz got given a Zenon gift on n1 with three votes and then didn't even show up?

Epi is ...

falcon is ... alive ... which is weird

jack "self resolves" so is town

Mac is me, I am Mac

Matahari is ... kind of like ... rand but ... wolfy side of rand ... kinda want SVS to solve Matahari @S~V~S what say you?

Michelle is ... I thought towny for the omgus day 1 but that's too generous. @Thunal33 why u clearin'?

Nanook ... probably wouldn't have killed Zenon and Zenon looks like a fairly clear John Doe kill to me? And he's all level 1 and whatever which is fine. Like whatever townread the guy.

Rondo is all setup solving and stuff and I just think he's town now cuz like why not (HE KNOWS TOO MUCH DONT TRUST HIM).

Roxy is ... kind of like ... rand but ... wolfy side of rand ... kinda want SVS to solve Matahari @S~V~S what say you?

Seanzie teabags evil

S~V~S is a derpcleared IC

I looked at Thunal's ISO to see the thing I'm supposed to see to townread them and I couldn't find it but I'm townreading them now anyway

Sooooo

Thunal wants me to townread Michelle so fine.

Towncore

Thunal
Rondo
Nanook
SVS
Jack
Seanzie

Sussy baka list

Wilgy
Dubz
Falcon
Epi
Matahari
Roxy

We have John Doe and 5 sins left.

There are 6 names there.

If your name is there and you can self clear with mech. Do it.

Why is Thun so high and why is Falcon being alive so weird? The second thing is weird. weird weird weird weird weird.

Any volunteers?

Also, why am I alive? Who knows....

Does anyone want to be cleared? I am better than a cop. If I target you, I will learn your alignment.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 19, 2023 11:17 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jun 19, 2023 11:15 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 19, 2023 11:03 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jun 19, 2023 11:02 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 19, 2023 10:58 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 5:54 pm Wilgy
Epi
Seanzie
Jack
Porscha
Pyxxy

The above are all the people who should be wagons and have votes. Not Tutuu. Not me. Not Doom. Not Falcon. Not Michelle who has now decided to out herself with her omgus lol.
Outside of Porscha, I ain't doing too bad. We can stop picking on Mac for being wrong on Porscha now.
Outside of Porscha (and Seanzie, king of town), I ain't doing to bad.
Eh the jury is out on you. Someone messaged me telling me it'd be wise to vote for you lol.
*Strips completely naked*

*steps out into the middle of virtualworld*

*spreads arms*

I'm open, come at me, bro.
This is clearly the behaviour of an unhinged pseudo demonic serial killer

Now tell me how you really feel, game related.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 19, 2023 11:03 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jun 19, 2023 11:02 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 19, 2023 10:58 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 5:54 pm Wilgy
Epi
Seanzie
Jack
Porscha
Pyxxy

The above are all the people who should be wagons and have votes. Not Tutuu. Not me. Not Doom. Not Falcon. Not Michelle who has now decided to out herself with her omgus lol.
Outside of Porscha, I ain't doing too bad. We can stop picking on Mac for being wrong on Porscha now.
Outside of Porscha (and Seanzie, king of town), I ain't doing to bad.
Eh the jury is out on you. Someone messaged me telling me it'd be wise to vote for you lol.

*Strips completely naked*

*steps out into the middle of virtualworld*

*spreads arms*

I'm open, come at me, bro.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jun 19, 2023 10:58 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 5:54 pm Wilgy
Epi
Seanzie
Jack
Porscha
Pyxxy

The above are all the people who should be wagons and have votes. Not Tutuu. Not me. Not Doom. Not Falcon. Not Michelle who has now decided to out herself with her omgus lol.
Outside of Porscha, I ain't doing too bad. We can stop picking on Mac for being wrong on Porscha now.

Outside of Porscha (and Seanzie, king of town), I ain't doing to bad.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 19, 2023 10:55 pm [VOTE: Vote Dennis] aubergine

Nervous about numbers given everything but hey, 1 yesterday, 1 today, 1 last night. We're doing okay.

Tell me about everyone.... except Dennis.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 19, 2023 10:39 pm Here's some interesting mech info. From Kate's role:
-You will become mafia, gaining BTSC with all other members a full phase after becoming mafia.

So if pyxxy's conversion was similar, then he wouldn't have BTSC with John Doe d2. I'm not sure if "a full phase" means day and night cycle or just a day phase.

And I noticed last night that John Doe has a profile in the setup roles spoiler. Here's the only thing on conversion from it:
You start with no teammates. If a Deadly Sin changes to align with you, you will immediately know their identity but ???

So John Doe would know pyxxy's alignment, but would pyxxy know John Doe's alignment? I'd guess so and I'll solve in a world where he does but it's possible he doesn't.

Tell me about your current worldview.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Jun 19, 2023 10:23 pm Or thunal, probably gonna sheep thun actually

Tell me about Thun.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Jun 19, 2023 10:18 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jun 19, 2023 10:16 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Jun 19, 2023 10:13 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jun 19, 2023 10:02 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Jun 19, 2023 10:01 pm Based
Tell me more.
Dead sins are good
Work with me here, Nook.
I mean that's what's based lol

Tell me about your worldview.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Jun 19, 2023 10:13 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jun 19, 2023 10:02 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Jun 19, 2023 10:01 pm Based
Tell me more.
Dead sins are good

Work with me here, Nook.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Mon Jun 19, 2023 10:05 pm Nice! This is going really well!

[VOTE: Dennis] aubergine

Is it? At the end of the day we need to find John Doe.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Jun 19, 2023 10:01 pm Based

Tell me more.

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 18, 2023 9:42 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Jun 18, 2023 9:32 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Jun 18, 2023 9:21 pm Thanks. That all sounds reasonable at first glance.

One more question if you don't mind:

How do you view the idea that Kate and Dennis are okay with how things are playing out?

Forgive me if you already answered this and I glossed over it. Long day.
I did already address this, tldr I think it is because Kate kinda thought she might be screwed pretty much since SoD, so she had already mentally processed it. I saw her rolecard (or, part of it rather), so I had her dead-to-rights, and there was no way she was winning that thunderdome. I believe she is still independently aligned, so even if she did survive one extra day, it wouldn't actually help her win. Similarly for Dennis.

I also think regardless of their behavior, seeing their flip will help us figure out what sorts of things to be expecting.
Got any theories on their wincon? That's something I'm curious about especially since Kate and Dennis both just gave up. I feel like their lolcatting isn't characteristic of two people who just 100% lost the game so I'm wondering if the sins have a collective wincon.

I mean, it seems likely that multiple sins will somehow convert to mafia and then it will be more like a normal mafia faction. I believe Kate when she says that she can also win as sole survivor (assuming whatever needed t ohappen to have her convert does not happen).

I don't think speculating about the exact details of this before we see a sin flip is particularly productive. Who do you think is bad (sin or John)?

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Jun 18, 2023 9:22 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Jun 18, 2023 9:05 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Jun 18, 2023 9:02 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Jun 18, 2023 7:29 pm So who do people think John Doe is?
Nook, Thun, Jack, Wilgy, Falcon all deserve more scrutiny IMO. You might as well, but this is the first post I think I've seen of you, so I'm not actually qualified to say anything about you at this point.
If I had to order the list it would probably be

Nook
Falcon
Wilgy
Jack
Thun

In order of most likely baddie to least likely baddie.
Thanks for this. How do you feel about Falcons push on me for asking the question you just responded to?

It does not sway me much either way.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Jun 18, 2023 9:21 pm Thanks. That all sounds reasonable at first glance.

One more question if you don't mind:

How do you view the idea that Kate and Dennis are okay with how things are playing out?

Forgive me if you already answered this and I glossed over it. Long day.

I did already address this, tldr I think it is because Kate kinda thought she might be screwed pretty much since SoD, so she had already mentally processed it. I saw her rolecard (or, part of it rather), so I had her dead-to-rights, and there was no way she was winning that thunderdome. I believe she is still independently aligned, so even if she did survive one extra day, it wouldn't actually help her win. Similarly for Dennis.

I also think regardless of their behavior, seeing their flip will help us figure out what sorts of things to be expecting.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Jun 18, 2023 9:07 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Jun 18, 2023 9:05 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Jun 18, 2023 9:02 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Jun 18, 2023 7:29 pm So who do people think John Doe is?
Nook, Thun, Jack, Wilgy, Falcon all deserve more scrutiny IMO. You might as well, but this is the first post I think I've seen of you, so I'm not actually qualified to say anything about you at this point.
If I had to order the list it would probably be

Nook
Falcon
Wilgy
Jack
Thun

In order of most likely baddie to least likely baddie.
Since you're the hero of the day, might I ask for a morsel or two on each as to why you think that?

No pressure- hunting a singular person is hard, but apparently you've had some fun behind the scenes to get you to this point.

Nook - his recent posting re: Kate and Dennis being outed reminds me more of scum!nook pretending to be disinterested rather than town!Nook actually being disinterested.

Falcon - I read his D1 ISO and was actually thinking about targeting him, but since I expressed sus of him D1 and voted for him, I thought it would be harder to run the gambit I did with him. His D1 ISO did not have the characteristic game-related prods that I associate with town Falcon. I don't remember anything from him D2, which also isn't great.

Wilgy - I don't know. They're behind the scenes in my mind today even more so than usual.

Jack - Spending a whole lot more time messing around rather than scum hunting. I don't think I saw a single solving post at all today.

Thun - I had a bad feeling about her yesterday, but take that with a grain of salt since I always have a bad feeling about her. I also thought about targeting her overnight, but decided against it since I often suspect her regardless of her alignment, especially early game (so y'all should figure her out... or I will eventually).

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Jun 18, 2023 9:02 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Jun 18, 2023 7:29 pm So who do people think John Doe is?
Nook, Thun, Jack, Wilgy, Falcon all deserve more scrutiny IMO. You might as well, but this is the first post I think I've seen of you, so I'm not actually qualified to say anything about you at this point.

If I had to order the list it would probably be

Nook
Falcon
Wilgy
Jack
Thun

In order of most likely baddie to least likely baddie.

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