The Syndicate

Phil and Gloria wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 1:11 am seanzie
c4
ender
Marmot
Alison
alexa

probably something like this if I was wolf captain

Who was this? Mac or Sprayio? If this was Mac my heart is broken.

alexa wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 11:53 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 11:49 pm

alexa wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 11:47 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 11:45 pm If 112 flips town or not mafia, ilario is as good as dead!

ilario is town. he wouldn't shoot his partner there at that exact timing

Then why is he certain im not pushing a single wolf?

he townreads the people you're pushing on i assume. illario and i are similar players in a sense that if we have really strong reads on a player or players, we will ride or die defend them even before a flip, it is an EM trend thing.

No, he has knowledge of who are the five wolves, he specifically said the im not pushing a single one of the five wolves. If 112 is town, that’s a TMI slip.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 11:50 pm he never said certain, did he?

He said with certainty thar he does not see me pushing s sinhle wolf, to say that, he must know who are the wolves!!!

alexa wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 11:47 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 11:45 pm If 112 flips town or not mafia, ilario is as good as dead!

ilario is town. he wouldn't shoot his partner there at that exact timing

Then why is he certain im not pushing a single wolf?

If 112 flips town or not mafia, ilario is as good as dead!

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 11:41 pm I'll be kinder than illario and venture you might be pushing one

ilario slipped. Kill him tonight if we got town night vigs alive.

112 and Hollowkatt

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 11:34 pm There are five wolves left and we can't find a single one?

Ilario does not see me pushing any of the five, means he knows who are the five otherwise how does he know im not pushing a single wolf?

Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 11:28 pm

ilario wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 6:33 pm

alexa wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 11:41 am @ilario i thought you were coming around to guillo V. what changed?

I was but his solving isn’t going anywhere

I respect his wolf game but I also respect his town game and what does he have to show for it so far? All he did was tunnel Nutella and u d1, fypov thats tunneling two townies one of which is nutella whose just never a wolf there. D2 he hasn’t given any strong reads I remember other than an omgus on belzy, there 5 wolves and I don’t see him pushing a single one. Guillo should know himself that by his own standards for his town game he is underperforming

Excuse me what?

Who are the wolves that i am not pushing ilario?

I cant vote you today but intent to tunnel you to death for that TMI slip Ilario, your faction better kill me tonight.

ilario wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 6:33 pm

alexa wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 11:41 am @ilario i thought you were coming around to guillo V. what changed?

Guillo should know himself that by his own standards for his town game he is underperforming

I mean it is hard to perform as i used to. Before i didnt have a job and i didnt go to school, now I do and well, my job and school trumps playing mafia and that will never change.,

ilario wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 6:33 pm

alexa wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 11:41 am @ilario i thought you were coming around to guillo V. what changed?

I was but his solving isn’t going anywhere

I respect his wolf game but I also respect his town game and what does he have to show for it so far? All he did was tunnel Nutella and u d1, fypov thats tunneling two townies one of which is nutella whose just never a wolf there. D2 he hasn’t given any strong reads I remember other than an omgus on belzy, there 5 wolves and I don’t see him pushing a single one. Guillo should know himself that by his own standards for his town game he is underperforming

Excuse me what?

Who are the wolves that i am not pushing ilario?

If HK is a solo 3P, no one gets town cred from the flip alone, but i'll take it.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 1:34 pm I have a couple different ways to win, none of them are aligned with mafia.

Sorry HK, but 3P and Mafia are both scum to me. You die!

Alexa has the clout to misrepresent me and get me chopped and is not doing that.

Inb4 she just wants to payback for our last game and beat me in the same terms. Fully pocketed.

alexa wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 12:09 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 12:07 pm Do you have any take on Guillo’s alignment

GTH he is a villager. i've got him wrong before and i know he has a great wolf range, i just think him being self-sacrificial/advocating for his own death when i had a gun and could've very well killed him is not something he'd do as wolf. i think he'd consider it letting down his team as a wolf, and he has a lot of honor in that regard. if he's a wolf he's some sort of bomb however but even that isn't worth a 1-1 imo

Ok. Im officially out of my tunnel on Alexa.

alexa wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 12:02 pm if Guillo is hardclaiming that screamer role i don't think it makes sense to chop him. if he's a villager, he will get resolved by soup. if he's a wolf, it's better to shoot him because if he's a villager, it clears or confirms his shooter, right?

Yah!

Well in that case i do believe in info from deaths and km an angel of death myself sooo… i will utilize all gour of my votes to kill 4 people today. I work today but I’m off tomorrow.

Oh so four of us die to the chop?

Fun!

alexa wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 11:47 am

112 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 7:44 pm uhh, recanting my seanzie read if it matters at this point

marmot, sabie, dizzy are all good suspects imo

and i could easily see BK as a wolf in this one

@Guillotine i meant because this was one of his early posts. does a wolf really support suspicions on 2 buddies this early? and sadie could be a wolf too

falcon mentioned that 112 does bus so maybe i shouldn't give it as much credit, but i thought the interactions with dizzy were decent too. you are correct that there is nothing specifically clearing in his interactions with marmot, it was specifically this early post. if he's a wolf he's definitely townsiding and bringing us his buddies at the very least

Did 112 act upon Marmot. Threw shade, vote him etc?

I scum read ilario but he shot Dizzy, im giving him the same chance im giving Belzy.

alexa wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 11:38 am i could be convinced to swap to 112 but still think he looks good in relation to dizzy/marmot

I agree on regards of dizzy. Sell me on regards of Marmot, i didnt see that.

ilario wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 7:53 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 7:50 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 8:18 pm [A bunch of town reads on people]

In any case, I feel the game is in a pretty ok spot consensus-wise.

I have some concerns about Mac. Feels like he's not really landing any of his thoughts, and they seem to be a bit all over the place, which I find scummy for him.
I'm also suspicious of Scotty, feel like his posts are just awkward, trying to chime in but not really going anywhere.
Sabie is meh.

I think these are the things I've been thinking about the most.

The Mac suspicion is new here. It feels oddly placed if they are teammates, unless they had cooked up a plan to distance from one another and then Dizzy suddenly realized he'd forgotten about it.

I'm tempted to throw a townie point at Phil & Gloria here because Dizzy specifically names Mac as a suspect. I feel like if this is distancing, Dizzy would have naturally referred to the hydra account as a hydra, rather than singling out one of its two heads.

Everyone’s called the slot mac all game

I bet u 80% of the slots here don’t even know the name of the other head if u asked them on the spot so imo that’s just nai

Sloonei’s reason to townread Phil & Gloria is so dum that I’d townread him for it.

Phil and Gloria wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 7:19 am @Guillotine I'm sorry I betrayed you to make it up to you I will not vote you now lol

You betrayed me while i was asleep? Coward.

alexa wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 8:11 pm i am clearing HK for meta reasons NGL. he feels very different than the game he was a wolf. but i did the same thing to lag last game and was very wrong so i'm getting paranoid, especially because the way he claimed earlier felt like something i'd do as wolf to divert pressure. does anyone have good meta/a good read on HK?

Take this from someone who has played with him and hosted several games where he has played.

Hollowkatt can not be meta read. Throw away any hope that you can meta read him, throw away tonal reads too, HK specialty is faking town tone and he does it perfectly.

The only way to read HK is based on behavior in the game and that is also a stretch too sometimes! Or vote patterns but today’s unique voting system made that impossible for everyone.

In all honesty, HK is a player that i would shoot because i cant get a read of him, i’ve always been wrong about his alignment in every game i played with him.
That is why you’ve never seen me vouching to save him and when he townreads me or defends me my best hope is to pray he is not scum or im fucked.

ilario wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 9:04 am

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 9:01 am

ilario wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 8:59 am Soup mechanics are so incredibly frustrating to play around

If I learnt anything from this game it’s that

Wolves can also easily fake green checks on each other

There’s so many bs claims and no way to verify them

Next game I play with soup I’m gonna policy anyone who does a claim for no reason other than they’re on their deathbed and it’s 10 mins away from being voted out

Why next game, why not this one? You got no more shots?

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 9:06 am

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 9:01 am

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 8:58 am

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 8:53 am True, it does involve me doing some preflipping but I also felt like you didn’t really believe in any of those pushes as you were doing them, maybe I’m just confbiased rn

Which trs and srs do you feel strongest about rn?

I feel strongly about Creature and belzy from the non-confirms.

Feel mildly decent about c4, nutella and MR and others that i can't remember from the top of my head.

I don't have any super strong scum reads so far over than im casting my eye at TSP who knows how to read me well and hasn't really made an attempt to solve me as far as I can tell.

Aighttt Ty for this

Can you elaborate on why u tr those people?

Belzy - I think they were the first one to call dizzy scum? Doubt a partner would bus dizzy that early when they had potential to go very deep imo. There was a derp they had iirc and i remember a post from them on day 1 whcih made me snap townread them.

C4 reminds me of his town game in Yolo's invitational. Do you feel the same way there?

Two things about the bolded statement.

1) Why did you think Dizzy could have deep wolfed if not stopped by Belzy?

2) Did you think this before or after Dizzy flupped.

3) Proof that Belzy would bus Dizzy early as scum: https://www.mafiacafe.net/forum/standar ... ame-thread

Im giving Belzy temporary credit for putting shading Dizzy but if she outlives you when she should be dead because she is hard spewed town by Dizzy and wolves gotta kill that, then slmething must be up.

ilario wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 6:58 am Fwiw I can possibly see town!sig shooting Nutella, I can possibly see town!sabie shooting ender, but I can’t see them both being town with wolves having almost no kp if that’s the case. So I kinda wanna blast them both and see which one flips wolf (idt both are )

Who is the other alleged day vig with ilario again?

ilario wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 6:55 am Guillo has asked alota questions today that’s sorta went nowhere

They were somewhere, which was to decide my votes and get a better read of who of the people that Dizzy was voting could be scum. The answer is 112.

ilario wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 6:55 am I’m voting him again

Dont chop me, shoot me. You are supposedly a day vig, i dare you to unvote me and shoot me tomorrow to clear yourself.

Phil and Gloria wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 2:32 am lol someone silently changed their wilgy vote to sig in case you want any more evidence wilgy is mafia

Wilgy is playing too careless to be a wolf though, fuck if he is a wolf, i wanna reach that level of nerve.

Phil and Gloria wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 2:20 am @Guillotine @Master Radishes @alexa @Justplayingitcool @sabie12 @hollowkatt @Creature @LinearPoint @falcon45ca @112

hey TSP asked me to make sure he doesn't die so can you guys unvote him and vote some other random instead please.

oh and also if you're voting for me stop doing that also.

Well you are voting me, so the three musketeers will not work if i die, just saying.

If you two are wolves im so fucked

Sadly, she won't get traction though. If you think im hard to chop, Alexa is more charismatic than i will ever be, we can try though ¯\\_(ツ)\_/¯

So what now? We are the three musketeers or i just fucked up by letting you two pocket me tonight?m

Phil and Gloria wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 2:06 am

Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 2:05 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 2:02 am Why are all three of us talking about Alexa maybe being a wolf when none of us want to do anything about it

I know right, this is stupid, let me take initiative as none of you will.

[VOTE: Alexa] aubergine

excuse me tweedledum and tweedledee i am already voting there

How dare you steal my thunder?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 2:04 am I’m down to kill Guillo for arrogance atp

But but… you called Alexa a coward as a wolf… that is even worse. At least im saying that as a wolf i would carry her, meaning she wouldnt have to do most of the work. One day Alexa, one day, wait for me!

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 2:02 am Why are all three of us talking about Alexa maybe being a wolf when none of us want to do anything about it

I know right, this is stupid, let me take initiative as none of you will.

[VOTE: Alexa] aubergine

Phil and Gloria wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 2:00 am

Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 1:58 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 1:56 am

Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 1:44 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 1:35 am But you and I both know that most times you flip some nonsense and nothing is gained

Oh you think im fake claiming? Im not, shoot me. If i was Alexa when i dared her to shoot me i would have, specially because if you dive into her ISO previous to that Alexa has been suspecting me and shading me.

Also that comment is unfair, i fake claim with a purpose and it always to benefit town, in the avatar game i fake claimed the vig shot on Mac and if it wasnt for the real vig counter claiming my shot, scum would have wasted their soup kill, it was a great “non sense” to pull, do not discredit me like that.

I mean I think if you’re town the entire purpose of the claim is to disrupt the soup and if you’re a wolf the entire purpose of the claim is to explain why you’re still alive

We'll find out sooner or later won't we?

you know its ok to just go belly up guillo, alexa will carry for you

If i was a wolf with Alexa i would be doing the carrying, you know this.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 1:56 am

Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 1:44 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 1:35 am But you and I both know that most times you flip some nonsense and nothing is gained

Oh you think im fake claiming? Im not, shoot me. If i was Alexa when i dared her to shoot me i would have, specially because if you dive into her ISO previous to that Alexa has been suspecting me and shading me.

Also that comment is unfair, i fake claim with a purpose and it always to benefit town, in the avatar game i fake claimed the vig shot on Mac and if it wasnt for the real vig counter claiming my shot, scum would have wasted their soup kill, it was a great “non sense” to pull, do not discredit me like that.

I mean I think if you’re town the entire purpose of the claim is to disrupt the soup and if you’re a wolf the entire purpose of the claim is to explain why you’re still alive

We'll find out sooner or later won't we?

Phil and Gloria wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 1:48 am fuck it im voting alexa for cred

I would have shot you already for keeping posting WIFOM looking posts like this.

You know what? Fuck it!

I WISH FOR A DAY VIG SHOT

I bonestly dont know why i was not night kill, maybe scum think that the screamer does work with soup kills too. Lol. (It does not, i pinky promise).

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 1:40 am Though tbh Alexa is sort of a coward as a wolf — which is why Alexa isn’t a wolf

She is not a coward as a wolf, she is just diplomatic unlike wolf!Guillo.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 1:35 am But you and I both know that most times you flip some nonsense and nothing is gained

Oh you think im fake claiming? Im not, shoot me. If i was Alexa when i dared her to shoot me i would have, specially because if you dive into her ISO previous to that Alexa has been suspecting me and shading me.

Also that comment is unfair, i fake claim with a purpose and it always to benefit town, in the avatar game i fake claimed the vig shot on Mac and if it wasnt for the real vig counter claiming my shot, scum would have wasted their soup kill, it was a great “non sense” to pull, do not discredit me like that.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 1:35 am

Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 1:33 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 4:56 pm He didn’t think anyone would actually shoot Alison given he was saying don’t shoot Alison which tbh should have been reasonable

In hindsight, it's weird that Alexa decided to shoot Alison even though NAA told her to not shoot and decided to shoot anyways, but asked me to not shoot Nutella when she was not sure of her check on Nut. Given to what “almost happened” when i told Alexa i was gonna shoot Nutella based on her check, i'd expect Alexa to be aware of her Alison shot based on NAA claim and request not to shoot Alison.

I think Alexa might just have a small mechanical imagination tbh, no offense. Wolf Alexa would be happy to get Nutella shot and all that

At the cost of getting yeeted for getting Nut over with a fake peek? As a wolf? Come on now

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 1:31 am Because I value you too much smh

Why?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 4:56 pm He didn’t think anyone would actually shoot Alison given he was saying don’t shoot Alison which tbh should have been reasonable

In hindsight, it's weird that Alexa decided to shoot Alison even though NAA told her to not shoot and decided to shoot anyways, but asked me to not shoot Nutella when she was not sure of her check on Nut. Given to what “almost happened” when i told Alexa i was gonna shoot Nutella based on her check, i'd expect Alexa to be aware of her Alison shot based on NAA claim and request not to shoot Alison.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 3:07 pm I genuinely don’t understand what’s going on with this dynamic and I’m half a second away from commanding you to just shoot guillo

Why didnt you?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 2:40 pm The stupid thing is this is an incredibly wolfy gambit from Guillo except for the part where it might work

Explain the part where i put my life on the line to lock a player's alignment as incredibly wolfy.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 2:39 pm Like Alexa is close to doubly mech town and if Guillo has a confirmable role as town I’d like to be trading for a wolf and not for more confirmation of what I know

This is boring.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 12:40 pm

alexa wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 12:38 pm Tbh I am in bed but I got the discord notification lol

Hey my god read on Bo was good

Alexa, if you're going to shoot me as top wagon, you shouldn't wait too long, so these mfs can get their shit together before EoD. And I will also be relieved of any more inconclusive isos.

Why wasnt i the player with a gun, i always honor “shoot me” requests to see what happens.