The Syndicate

alexa wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 12:39 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 12:38 pm

alexa wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 12:38 pm EOD today is at the worst possible time for me. i have an extremely important work meeting between 5 and 6 so i'm likely to miss it, unless it ends early. please don't do anything stupid

There is no hammer.

Derp clear denied

I meant unless my meeting ends early

alexa wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 12:38 pm EOD today is at the worst possible time for me. i have an extremely important work meeting between 5 and 6 so i'm likely to miss it, unless it ends early. please don't do anything stupid

Creature wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 12:37 pm Let's just flip the town nightvig already

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 12:32 pm wish there were a best scum theatre award last year so I could have added a trophy to my trophy case

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 12:25 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 12:20 pm

alexa wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 12:07 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 12:01 pm

alexa wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 11:58 am

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 11:56 am

Creature wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 11:51 am If we have two antitown factions then better both kill each other.

Hence my read on ilario and Alexa. It looks exactly like that, two scum hedging on each other acting uncharacteristically to their town meta,

i'm not "hedging" on him. i've had him as a lock villager for awhile now, you are misrepresenting me.

Sorry but your reaction to him does not make sense even if i didnt have meta from you who wouldnt react the way you did to ilario pushing you.

You dont strike for a player who'd accept misrepresentation, case in point, you just pushed back at me, but you didnt do the same for ilario. Why?

i don't react to pushes from one person in large games because they don't matter. you're using comparative meta to much smaller games when i was in danger. you literally pushed v!me last hydra game because i over-reacted to your push on me when you saw how i didn't care about it in anni. why do i care about ilario expressing doubt on my alignment for nebulous reasons when i'm not in danger? he does this nearly every game he's a villager in, him doing it here does not make me feel any differently about his alignment and convincing him that i'm a villager did not seem like the best use of my time. but, i did respond to his paragraphs on me anyway

i don't think that he entirely "misrepresented me" as much as he painted a narrative that he thought made sense in a world where i was a wolf, but the truth is my actions make a lot more sense as a villager. i think he believes his push. i don't think that he, as a wolf, goes "alexa is a wolf but i don't care about pushing her," that wouldn't make any sense to me.

This is exactly why you are easy to pocket Alexa, you dont think outside of the box and you hold people to specific standards when it comes to interacting with you?
Don't i know, i have easily pocketed you twice, once in high noon and the other in our last game.

Ilario is appeasing you with i think you are scum but i want you to win anyway, you ate appeasing him by accepting it and not pushing back on it.

i've resolved to not talk about it but I just don't know why you think alexa is not pushing back on it it seems to me like pushing back on it is literally the only thing that she's doing

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 12:25 pm I don't think I've ever seen a wolf fake 3p and live. I'm sure it's happened

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 12:21 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 12:16 pm

alexa wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 12:12 pm yeah the mechanics clearly imply there's 1 wolf faction. there could be a 3P faction but numbers suggest it's not larger than 2-3 and they'd likely play like villagers anyway, plus 1 3P is legit outed

The 3P is not yet outed until they flip. HK could still be just mafia claiming 3P to survive.

if I'm mafia here my goals are to be in hard anti-spew, have some laughs, and vanish long before the end of the day. As in I probably never come back to the thread after making the top 8 b/c all it does is risk spewing more information than needs be. but continue, please

alexa wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 12:07 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 12:01 pm

alexa wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 11:58 am

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 11:56 am

Creature wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 11:51 am If we have two antitown factions then better both kill each other.

Hence my read on ilario and Alexa. It looks exactly like that, two scum hedging on each other acting uncharacteristically to their town meta,

i'm not "hedging" on him. i've had him as a lock villager for awhile now, you are misrepresenting me.

Sorry but your reaction to him does not make sense even if i didnt have meta from you who wouldnt react the way you did to ilario pushing you.

You dont strike for a player who'd accept misrepresentation, case in point, you just pushed back at me, but you didnt do the same for ilario. Why?

i don't react to pushes from one person in large games because they don't matter. you're using comparative meta to much smaller games when i was in danger. you literally pushed v!me last hydra game because i over-reacted to your push on me when you saw how i didn't care about it in anni. why do i care about ilario expressing doubt on my alignment for nebulous reasons when i'm not in danger? he does this nearly every game he's a villager in, him doing it here does not make me feel any differently about his alignment and convincing him that i'm a villager did not seem like the best use of my time. but, i did respond to his paragraphs on me anyway

i don't think that he entirely "misrepresented me" as much as he painted a narrative that he thought made sense in a world where i was a wolf, but the truth is my actions make a lot more sense as a villager. i think he believes his push. i don't think that he, as a wolf, goes "alexa is a wolf but i don't care about pushing her," that wouldn't make any sense to me.

alexa wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 12:12 pm yeah the mechanics clearly imply there's 1 wolf faction. there could be a 3P faction but numbers suggest it's not larger than 2-3 and they'd likely play like villagers anyway, plus 1 3P is legit outed

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 12:08 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 12:07 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 12:01 pm guillo you're being performatively paranoid and it's not a good look on you

I dont care.

Anyone should know by now that i dont play in a survivalist way. I will never be silenced, i will never ve silenced. If you want me to stop outing my thoughts and pushing people for info, you either chop me or night kill me. Period.

This is actually proof there is no way i am a wolf, i had two votes on me, i could have just lay low since in on tje chopping block and anything could get me chopped.
Me putting my life on the line to finally contribute in my day off, should tell you that im town and me getting push back and high sus after i said that there might be another scum group… should tell you something is up lol.

now you have 3 votes.

dyachei wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 12:05 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 12:02 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 12:00 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 11:58 am

dyachei wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 11:54 am

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 11:53 am

dyachei wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 11:50 am
still have you beat at 23 years of playing mafia

Ok well we both played a long time, people like us that have played two decades deserve some credit for our reads and info we out in the thread, so i just dont get why a player having played all that long are not considering that there could be a 3P group scum, when like me, you should have seen it all already.

because i care more about finding wolves. Wolves care a lot about finding 3p

Sorry but i care about the greatness of finding both. Do you understand that BOTH are a threat to us (town)? Come on, get those 23 years pumping, show me they were not for nothing.

dont be insulting

I think wolves are a bigger threat and are my priority. We're doing a pretty shitty job of finding them right now. we have a claimed 3p who we're putting up for elim. lets worry about more 3p if we have to. not just because we saw the word faction and assumed a group

Im not insulting you, if you took it as an insult, it is your ego. This is me believing you played 23 years and raising my bar of expectations fromyoum we ate not noobs.

you're implying that to be good at mafia i have to think like you.

i dont care if you've raised the bar or not. not agreeing with you just means I'm seeing the game from my own perspective

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 12:01 pm guillo you're being performatively paranoid and it's not a good look on you

dyachei wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 12:00 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 11:58 am

dyachei wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 11:54 am

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 11:53 am

dyachei wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 11:50 am

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 11:48 am

dyachei wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 11:37 am

i've also hosted games and have probably played mafia longer than you've been alive

faction just means 3p exists. it doesn't make it multiball

again your focus there is wolfy

Longer than me? I doubt that very much unless you gave played werewolf before Dimitry Davidoff invented it in 1986. Ive been playing this game for 20 years and 4 months.

still have you beat at 23 years of playing mafia

Ok well we both played a long time, people like us that have played two decades deserve some credit for our reads and info we out in the thread, so i just dont get why a player having played all that long are not considering that there could be a 3P group scum, when like me, you should have seen it all already.

because i care more about finding wolves. Wolves care a lot about finding 3p

Sorry but i care about the greatness of finding both. Do you understand that BOTH are a threat to us (town)? Come on, get those 23 years pumping, show me they were not for nothing.

dont be insulting

I think wolves are a bigger threat and are my priority. We're doing a pretty shitty job of finding them right now. we have a claimed 3p who we're putting up for elim. lets worry about more 3p if we have to. not just because we saw the word faction and assumed a group

alexa wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 11:58 am

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 11:56 am

Creature wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 11:51 am If we have two antitown factions then better both kill each other.

Hence my read on ilario and Alexa. It looks exactly like that, two scum hedging on each other acting uncharacteristically to their town meta,

i'm not "hedging" on him. i've had him as a lock villager for awhile now, you are misrepresenting me.

dyachei wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 11:54 am

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 11:53 am

dyachei wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 11:50 am

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 11:48 am

dyachei wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 11:37 am

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 11:35 am

dyachei wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 11:31 am like if your perspective is that 3p makes it multiball, im even more convinced you're seeing this from a wolf perspective

Well considering i host games every month and i have a vast experience on the matter im confident my opinion and my knowledge can help unlock the game.
I dont see why it shouldnt be looked upon when the OP said there is a 3P FACTION

i've also hosted games and have probably played mafia longer than you've been alive

faction just means 3p exists. it doesn't make it multiball

again your focus there is wolfy

Longer than me? I doubt that very much unless you gave played werewolf before Dimitry Davidoff invented it in 1986. Ive been playing this game for 20 years and 4 months.

still have you beat at 23 years of playing mafia

Ok well we both played a long time, people like us that have played two decades deserve some credit for our reads and info we out in the thread, so i just dont get why a player having played all that long are not considering that there could be a 3P group scum, when like me, you should have seen it all already.

because i care more about finding wolves. Wolves care a lot about finding 3p

Creature wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 11:51 am If we have two antitown factions then better both kill each other.

dyachei wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 11:50 am

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 11:48 am

dyachei wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 11:37 am

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 11:35 am

dyachei wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 11:31 am like if your perspective is that 3p makes it multiball, im even more convinced you're seeing this from a wolf perspective

Well considering i host games every month and i have a vast experience on the matter im confident my opinion and my knowledge can help unlock the game.
I dont see why it shouldnt be looked upon when the OP said there is a 3P FACTION

i've also hosted games and have probably played mafia longer than you've been alive

faction just means 3p exists. it doesn't make it multiball

again your focus there is wolfy

Longer than me? I doubt that very much unless you gave played werewolf before Dimitry Davidoff invented it in 1986. Ive been playing this game for 20 years and 4 months.

still have you beat at 23 years of playing mafia

dyachei wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 11:46 am

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 11:43 am

dyachei wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 11:36 am

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 11:33 am

dyachei wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 11:30 am

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 11:29 am

dyachei wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 11:27 am your focus on 3p makes me think you're a wolf

My focus? It is the first time i mention it.
And it is a multiball game, why shouldnt i mention it, ALL SCUM are threats to me, 3Ps and Mafia alike and should be burnt with fire equally.

3p doesn't make something multiball

and really wolves care more about 3p than villagers do typically

your focus meaning the brain power you put into the post talking about 3p

3Ps are a threat to us and iñario and Alexa feel like scum from different factions.

Are you gonna tell me that it does not look weird that ilario says that he scum reads Alexa but still gonna not push her because town is annoying him and wants her to win in spite? Huh?

Go and read there if you are town.

why are you assuming i havent read it?

Im making some assumptions based on the fact that pushing alexa today is pointless (our elims are locked into people that are NOT alexa) and ilario has said what he's needed to say about her. This is not an issue for today, it's an issue for tomorrow when we can do something about it.

The winning in spite thing is probably just frustration more than anything else. I dont always take everyone's words at face value and ilario especially has enough pride in his game i dont think he'd do that

Im assuming you havent because you say im focusing on 3P when it is the first time i bring it up. I dont think you have read my ISO and i think you could be a wolf trying to get me chopped by scumpainting me with the narrative that im 3P hunting, no! Im scum hunting, i wanna kill both slowly and painfully, equally.

I dont care if Alexa is not on the chopping block or ilario, the game will not get solved even if all 4 chops today are correct and i very doubt that they are all correct, im not like Alexa who thinks that because i might die, i shouldnt be outing my thoughts. Somyes, it is an issue for today because i dont know if i will live tomorrow.

I WILL NOT BE SILENCED!

And about ilario, if it is frustration, get it together… remember that everyone must play to win.

no one is silencing you

I voted you. if voting you makes you want to be silent, that's a personal problem

You've now devoted more than 1 post to 3p hunting and defending 3p hunting. Anyone with eyes can see it in thread

dyachei wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 11:37 am

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 11:35 am

dyachei wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 11:31 am like if your perspective is that 3p makes it multiball, im even more convinced you're seeing this from a wolf perspective

Well considering i host games every month and i have a vast experience on the matter im confident my opinion and my knowledge can help unlock the game.
I dont see why it shouldnt be looked upon when the OP said there is a 3P FACTION

i've also hosted games and have probably played mafia longer than you've been alive

faction just means 3p exists. it doesn't make it multiball

again your focus there is wolfy

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 11:41 am just because it says faction, it doesn't necessarily mean there is more than one in that group. Dya is right and we should focus primarily on who are wolves. HK's flip may help clear it up

also, I can vouch for alexa on the alison shot. I was there and NAA was asked several times to rescind if fake, so it wasn't like it was an immediate shot

dyachei wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 11:36 am

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 11:33 am

dyachei wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 11:30 am

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 11:29 am

dyachei wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 11:27 am your focus on 3p makes me think you're a wolf

My focus? It is the first time i mention it.
And it is a multiball game, why shouldnt i mention it, ALL SCUM are threats to me, 3Ps and Mafia alike and should be burnt with fire equally.

3p doesn't make something multiball

and really wolves care more about 3p than villagers do typically

your focus meaning the brain power you put into the post talking about 3p

3Ps are a threat to us and iñario and Alexa feel like scum from different factions.

Are you gonna tell me that it does not look weird that ilario says that he scum reads Alexa but still gonna not push her because town is annoying him and wants her to win in spite? Huh?

Go and read there if you are town.

why are you assuming i havent read it?

Im making some assumptions based on the fact that pushing alexa today is pointless (our elims are locked into people that are NOT alexa) and ilario has said what he's needed to say about her. This is not an issue for today, it's an issue for tomorrow when we can do something about it.

The winning in spite thing is probably just frustration more than anything else. I dont always take everyone's words at face value and ilario especially has enough pride in his game i dont think he'd do that

dyachei wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 11:31 am like if your perspective is that 3p makes it multiball, im even more convinced you're seeing this from a wolf perspective

dyachei wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 11:30 am

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 11:29 am

dyachei wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 11:27 am your focus on 3p makes me think you're a wolf

My focus? It is the first time i mention it.
And it is a multiball game, why shouldnt i mention it, ALL SCUM are threats to me, 3Ps and Mafia alike and should be burnt with fire equally.

3p doesn't make something multiball

and really wolves care more about 3p than villagers do typically

your focus meaning the brain power you put into the post talking about 3p

dyachei wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 11:27 am your focus on 3p makes me think you're a wolf

dyachei wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 11:17 am [VOTE: guillo] aubergine

ilario wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 9:16 am fine here’s why I think ur scum

First the whole alison naa thing. It just doesn’t make sense for you to rush that shot, I don’t see you doing that. You’re much more meticulous with handling these things and I feel like town you would want all the info out before you commit to a shot. My issue isn’t that you shot alison, it’s that you rushed the entire procedure. You held the gun shot for the entire day but the moment naa comes out with his claim you arbitrarily decide that he has to rescind his claim by 2:55 or you’re gonna shoot. You weren’t focused on solving him, you weren’t focused on solving alison it felt like your entire focus was on getting naa to confirm that he wasn’t going to rescind his claim. Because by doing so it gives you plausible deniability to shoot a strong villa and set up another villa known to troll to take the fall for it. And then you kept denying blame for it, which imo I found towny at first but it kept happening so much that it wrapped around to being wolfy again. Like you said over and over you didn’t think a role like that would exist, but you specifically designed the EXACT same role in a game you hosted, and whether this is advertised as bastard or not doesn’t disregard the fact that I think you would have taken a few minutes to consider the existence Of such a role since you yourself hosted a game with it in the game.

alexa wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 10:54 am

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 10:44 am I retract my townread from Alexa.

Why? Because I'm not acting like a crazy person in response to ilario pushing me when I'm likely to be resolved as soon as scum does their soup kill and am in 0 danger today?

ilario wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 9:16 am

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fine here’s why I think ur scum

First the whole alison naa thing. It just doesn’t make sense for you to rush that shot, I don’t see you doing that. You’re much more meticulous with handling these things and I feel like town you would want all the info out before you commit to a shot. My issue isn’t that you shot alison, it’s that you rushed the entire procedure. You held the gun shot for the entire day but the moment naa comes out with his claim you arbitrarily decide that he has to rescind his claim by 2:55 or you’re gonna shoot. You weren’t focused on solving him, you weren’t focused on solving alison it felt like your entire focus was on getting naa to confirm that he wasn’t going to rescind his claim. Because by doing so it gives you plausible deniability to shoot a strong villa and set up another villa known to troll to take the fall for it. And then you kept denying blame for it, which imo I found towny at first but it kept happening so much that it wrapped around to being wolfy again. Like you said over and over you didn’t think a role like that would exist, but you specifically designed the EXACT same role in a game you hosted, and whether this is advertised as bastard or not doesn’t disregard the fact that I think you would have taken a few minutes to consider the existence
Of such a role since you yourself hosted a game with it in the game.

I think your claim on d1 from a wolf pov was amazing. You played it perfectly and it felt towny as shit and that’s why I said earlier I applaud you for your d1. But as the game goes on the story with your claim gets muddy. You have a green check on guillo that’s not really a green check? Like idk why would think it’s beneficial to make up a green on guillo, it’s not like he was your top tr so I don’t see the benefit in doing that. I think the way you went about that whole thing felt inconsistent and Nutella noticed that before she died, and I think that’s why she was day vigged over me. I can defs see a world where you’re concerned nutella is about to embark on a classic Nutella tunnel and you wanted that dealt with. Sigs shot was just so sudden and there’s no build up to it so yeah I do think it was a panic shot to get rid of her. Also you later claimed to
Have a vest and again I don’t see why u outed that the time you did. You love being clear, if you kept the info to yourself and someone shot you then you become clear so I don’t see the point of outing the vest when you did, but claiming a vest does give a reason for you to be alive late game. People can ask why isn’t Alexa dead and you can just cos of a vest

I was struggling to come up with a solve last night. I had town cleared alota slots in my head and we reached a point where slots like c4 started to come into question just because we don’t know where else to look. But even when I put slots like c4 or jpic in my poe it just doesn’t feel right to me. And then when I reflected on the other points and I started to build a team around you the game started to make more sense. Suddenly tsp being a wolf made sense too. I don’t think tsp approaches u the way he has this game if ur town and he’s a wolf. But I can defs see alota ur interactions being possible if ur wolves together. Tsp is highpostiing but like 70% of the posts are about you. And yeah I can see a world where scum captain tsp feels obligated to not be a potato this game. And the way u responded to me earlier everytime when I felt like tsp was kinda towny, your responses felt rigid, like you
Knew he’s a wolf and your gameplay has been set on softly bussing/distancing him throughout the game. Like even when I considered that tsp high posting might be clearing for him you said it’s nai because u wolfed with him before but the game we wolfed together he wasn’t even a high poster in the sense he has been this game, so it just feels fabricated.

I’m coming around to guillo
Maybe being town and I think ur approach to him has been pockety. You’ve consistently done a classic scumtell throughout the game in the way you’ve approached his slot but I’m gonna keep what that tell is to myself cos ur wolf game too OP and this tell helped me catch Katze in dvale and generally works on strong wolves. Also I think you perspective slipped earlier in the game when you said the way I was pushing guillo showed that I lacked tmi on guillo.

You also have this thing where your trs in general are more nuanced imo and thought out than your srs. Like I think people with super strong villa games like you and ladd when you roll wolf you tend to have great towncases on other town, good wolf cases on other wolves but your pushes onto townies seems to be lacking and when they do come they generally feel kinda reachy/scummy. It’s how I felt when ladd cased vanity right away in that game and why I thought he was a wolf. Your play just feels like your focusing more on positioning and pocketing people like c4, 112 etc and I feel that way because whilst you are tr’ing them for what I believe to be the right reasons, I don’t really see you pushing any townies. And yes I know this argument seems wtf “ur scum reading me because I’m not hard pushing townies” but it’s true. It happens in games. No matter how good of a villa you or anyone else is are at times In everyone’s game as town theyre just gonna be pushing a townie in a game at one point or another. I haven’t really seen you gone out of your way to push anybody with the same vigor I generally do when you’re town. I think you’re kinda just treading on eggshells and buttering people up imo

I think the way you were reading my slot on d2 was kinda scummy. People got all caught on up some level 0 bs that me reacting to you instead of the 5 people voting me was bad but it isn’t. I expect different things from different people and ur the best illario reader. My d1 Was a textbook towny approach for me. You know how you said earlier that tsp is scummy because normally he just locks u in as town and doesn’t really fuss around too much. Well yeah you do the same normally, when I’m not scum by d1 u just know I’m town and lock me in. It didn’t make sense for you to all of a sudden become nervous that I’m scum just because I was subdued or posting when barely even 12 hours of a 72 h day had passed. I think when you have two people who know each other well and one is scum, the one whose scum tries to hide tmi by looking like they’re tossing and turning on the other slot and then they decide on them being town or they just insta townlock them and hope for the best but I think ur more versatile than to go for that approach. I think if ur town u just know I’m town there and don’t bother tinfoiling me just because some people who have no idea how to read me were wary, I don’t see how you would let that trumph over your own read on me when you know ur much better than everyone at reading me.

Despite all this, I stand by what I said. I’m not gonna push you, I’m not gonna vote you, I want you to win regardless, towns annoyed me so Idc about carrying them. And Dw about this post having an effect on the game it’s way too long that I doubt anybody is gonna read it properly and the ones who do will just gloss over

alexa wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 10:54 am

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 10:44 am I retract my townread from Alexa.

Why? Because I'm not acting like a crazy person in response to ilario pushing me when I'm likely to be resolved as soon as scum does their soup kill and am in 0 danger today?

alexa wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 10:47 am

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 10:39 am

alexa wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 8:39 am

ilario wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 8:33 am

alexa wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 8:30 am

ilario wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 1:54 am

alexa wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 11:46 pm @ilario also please remember

1. I came into this game with n0 mechanical information on nutella's role (flipped arsonist). I knew what it was right away and thought she was maf or 3P so i tried to fake a red. and softed it hard. i thought her reaction was towny so i changed my mind but the way i started this game would not make sense for me as scum.

2. Dizzy flipped scum rolecop and there's a soup this setup so i am clearly not scum despite my bad read on dizzy

You don’t have to appeal to me lol I want u to win this town is annoying anyways

Can you please open my ISO then and read me instead of acting like I am lock wolf for nebulous reasons.

i can express my concerns on you if you like but tbh id rather not and i want u to win regardless of what i think ur alignment is since this town (minus jpic) has been annoying me lol and u havent

Eh okay, I can't be chopped today anyways and I'll likely be soup killed by tomorrow, TBH you expressing them or whatever may increase the chance I survive. And I kind of want to die to remove tinfoil. I am literally the most self resolving role ever

“Ehh ok”? Why are you appeasing him? Ilario is literally sussing you without telling you why and you just accept it?

I believe if you two were wolves together would be doing a better job at distancing so this is not it. Are you two scum from different factions? @ilario @alexa

Alexa why are you appeasing him? Because he is a vig and he is right about you? Or because it does not matter cause you will night kill him tonight anyway? Why are you not reacting the way i expect you to react if you were town?


Ate you two wolves

Because it means nothing. I'm not in danger right now and neither is he. I think he's a villager and he does this same fucking thing every game. We do not need to deal with this until tomorrow and one or both of us can be dead by then. And you saw Ghosts, no one gives a fuck about our legacy reads on each other

There is only one wolf faction

I will respond to his big paragraph bjt I wrote up a whole response from my phone then it got eaten so I need to wait until I can get to my laptop

Creature wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 10:42 am

Belzy wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 10:41 am

Creature wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 10:38 am

Belzy wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 10:35 am

Creature wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 10:33 am imo we shouldn't lynch sabie12 especially because she's claiming another vig shot

Didn't she shot town before, and what if she is a non-town vig? Especially 3p are often multi shots vigs.

She shot Ender who was widely suspected. If she is wolf she townsided in that kill.

Hard to say, can still mean anything. I know Ender was suspected, but that shot doesn't prove anything cuz Ender is simply town.

I unvoted sabie btw ftr

Yeah. Now it's up for us to decide whether we want to risk lynching the fucking town vig at the hope they're a wolf vig that shot a widely suspected target and claimed vig for lolsies.

Belzy wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 10:32 am

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 10:30 am

Belzy wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 8:36 am So basicly I see HK Sig and Sabie as goners. HK as 3p should be gone. Sig and Sabie are two names I cannot find enough reason to try to avoid their lynches. So that leaves my final vote on c4, because as of now he is my first choice of the remaining options in the current poll. There are a bunch of players I wanna investigate, but most of them are not in the current poll, so today is a good day for a relatively raincheck, save my energy for the next day when we have more info, because more flips. Game is hard, and I have so many if if's.

If there are players you want to investigate and most are not in the poll, what does that tell you?

Town is losing.

alexa wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 8:39 am

ilario wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 8:33 am

alexa wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 8:30 am

ilario wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 1:54 am

alexa wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 11:46 pm @ilario also please remember

1. I came into this game with n0 mechanical information on nutella's role (flipped arsonist). I knew what it was right away and thought she was maf or 3P so i tried to fake a red. and softed it hard. i thought her reaction was towny so i changed my mind but the way i started this game would not make sense for me as scum.

2. Dizzy flipped scum rolecop and there's a soup this setup so i am clearly not scum despite my bad read on dizzy

You don’t have to appeal to me lol I want u to win this town is annoying anyways

Can you please open my ISO then and read me instead of acting like I am lock wolf for nebulous reasons.

i can express my concerns on you if you like but tbh id rather not and i want u to win regardless of what i think ur alignment is since this town (minus jpic) has been annoying me lol and u havent

Eh okay, I can't be chopped today anyways and I'll likely be soup killed by tomorrow, TBH you expressing them or whatever may increase the chance I survive. And I kind of want to die to remove tinfoil. I am literally the most self resolving role ever

Belzy wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 8:36 am So basicly I see HK Sig and Sabie as goners. HK as 3p should be gone. Sig and Sabie are two names I cannot find enough reason to try to avoid their lynches. So that leaves my final vote on c4, because as of now he is my first choice of the remaining options in the current poll. There are a bunch of players I wanna investigate, but most of them are not in the current poll, so today is a good day for a relatively raincheck, save my energy for the next day when we have more info, because more flips. Game is hard, and I have so many if if's.

ilario wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 8:33 am

alexa wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 8:30 am

ilario wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 1:54 am

alexa wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 11:46 pm @ilario also please remember

1. I came into this game with n0 mechanical information on nutella's role (flipped arsonist). I knew what it was right away and thought she was maf or 3P so i tried to fake a red. and softed it hard. i thought her reaction was towny so i changed my mind but the way i started this game would not make sense for me as scum.

2. Dizzy flipped scum rolecop and there's a soup this setup so i am clearly not scum despite my bad read on dizzy

You don’t have to appeal to me lol I want u to win this town is annoying anyways

Can you please open my ISO then and read me instead of acting like I am lock wolf for nebulous reasons.

i can express my concerns on you if you like but tbh id rather not and i want u to win regardless of what i think ur alignment is since this town (minus jpic) has been annoying me lol and u havent

Phil and Gloria wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 5:32 am i mean logically speaking guillo is the person who currently has the less likelihood to having wolves voting for him which inherently makes him the most likely to be a wolf so he should probably have many more votes on him

not me though

sabie12 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 5:28 am

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 2:32 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 1:24 pm Town:
Alexa
Ilario
Belzy
Guillo
Sean
Nutella
Alison (think she cares about the game in a town way)
Paopan (don't know them, but surface level this just seems like town)

Jpic and Radish also seem ok.

If you are night killed and flip town, i will sheep your reads.

Went through guillos ISO. With regard to dizzy they went from super suspecting each other to then townreading each other. The wording here made sure to say night killed assuming dizzy could be night killed. Are the town reads on guillo for his claim about his role? Meh that's all I have time and energy for I need to go back to sleep.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 3:21 am I would have picked roles, for instance.
Guillo just said that it would be a no-brainer to him to pick players so that he could be with a dream team.
Somebody else might have picked players and gone for a variety of familiar faces and unfamiliar ones.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 3:21 am I would have picked roles, for instance.
Guillo just said that it would be a no-brainer to him to pick players so that he could be with a dream team.
Somebody else might have picked players and gone for a variety of familiar faces and unfamiliar ones.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 3:10 am

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 3:09 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 2:28 am

Paopan wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 2:21 am As town, here is my defense:
- Mafia Capt most probably hand-picked the players
- If Mafia Capt randomed, I am also cleared because they can choose from a pool of roles. So why would I choose a protective role as Mafia? I have big balls of steel

I care about neither of these things.

You care neither of those things as his defense or as subject of discussion?

As his defense. And without that value, they serve little to no purpose as topics of discussion.

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 2:50 am That's not...Even remotely the point of that post.
Mafia can have protective roles. They are useful.
Not to mention, one can just lie about their role?
So "Mafia wouldn't ever pick a Protective role" is just not a defense.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 2:28 am

Paopan wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 2:21 am As town, here is my defense:
- Mafia Capt most probably hand-picked the players
- If Mafia Capt randomed, I am also cleared because they can choose from a pool of roles. So why would I choose a protective role as Mafia? I have big balls of steel

I care about neither of these things.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 12:52 am

alexa wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 12:50 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 12:50 am

alexa wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 12:49 am i promise you guys im not mafia does that help

pls find wolves we know you’re not mafia

there's 8 people in this poll and im voting for at least 2 wolves

Guillo will accuse me of TMI something but this is incredibly unlikely

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 11:26 pm alexa please care about a topic other than how a town person reads you