The Syndicate

Zenon wrote: ↑Fri Jul 21, 2023 12:42 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 11:37 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Jul 20, 2023 11:29 pm eod is still some time away and there's time for ppl to come and post more, and hopefully post normally

but im not opposed to chopping any one of the people who hasnt given too much normal and readable opinions. as in, understandable. or any opinions at all

i dont think town wins if there's too many of players like that alive at mid game
I'd prefer Zenon over Seanzie in this moment. Zenon is bragging about providing content but the vast majority of it is superfluous.

Seanzie basically looked at the thread and said "fuck this."

I can empathize a little with the latter. I have no tolerance for the former.
Lmfao I'm so sick of people acting like I do nothing because I use mafia as a way to make friends and chat in between actually playing the game.

I could quote every post I've made with actual game content in it but I'm lazy your treating me exactly as wolfs often try to in order to diminish my input and volume because discrediting high posters is an important tactic when wolfing.

Of course nobody will listen when I'm dead

While building my case i found this.

The way Zenon responded to Epignosis was too closely emotional to be an interaction with another wolf.

I'm gonna take a nap, next time I comeback is to post a series of walls, be prepared.

Zenon wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 4:30 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 4:27 pm
Zenon wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 4:26 pmI do not care
Feelings is one thing AtEing is another one, please respect the site's rules.
I'm not violating a single rule so miss me with your bs

There are rules for Extreme Appeal to Emotion here

pyxxy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 4:28 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 4:27 pm It's all WIFOM games now, Zenon is probably in anti-spew
Could you link me a previous game that you played with Zenon?

I don't remember what games I played with Zenon and I don't wanna work.

They were in FoL

pyxxy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 4:28 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 6:53 pm You guys are crazy if you think Zenon's behavior is scum behavior here.

That was before her vote on Rem.

Zenon wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 4:26 pmI do not care

Feelings is one thing AtEing is another one, please respect the site's rules.

It's all WIFOM games now, Zenon is probably in anti-spew

pyxxy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 4:24 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 4:23 pm
pyxxy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 4:22 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 4:21 pm
pyxxy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 4:09 pm worlds seem currently divided between scum epi/zenon and scum guillo?

or like, I'm surprised that guillo immediately jumped on zenon, but was voting Rem

Rem also only dying because of afk falcon is like, big red warning sign
I had reasons to vote Rem out. Zenon didn't, big difference.
So you believe that EOD yesterday was scum theater and the solve is Epi/Zenon?
That was my immediate thought but not anymore.
okay

wya now

If I was wolf in Zenon's position I would be defending town!Epi to falsely spew him wolf.

Zenon wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 4:17 pm Do you fucking know how much it sucks to have to decide between oh maybe I'm wrong on Rem Epi is town but like no Rem is town I know this but so is Epi what the fuck do I do I don't know Rem will just get pushed AGAIN because Epi is gonna flip town

Fuck fuck fuck

And I've felt like shit for killing my correctly read town best friend because of all the pressure and anger and rage we received all day because we talked in thread

Stop AtEing please

pyxxy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 4:22 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 4:21 pm
pyxxy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 4:09 pm worlds seem currently divided between scum epi/zenon and scum guillo?

or like, I'm surprised that guillo immediately jumped on zenon, but was voting Rem

Rem also only dying because of afk falcon is like, big red warning sign
I had reasons to vote Rem out. Zenon didn't, big difference.
So you believe that EOD yesterday was scum theater and the solve is Epi/Zenon?

That was my immediate thought but not anymore.

pyxxy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 4:19 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 4:16 pm
Zenon wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 2:17 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 9:47 am
Zenon wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 6:14 am
Zenon wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 7:00 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 6:59 pm [VOTE: Zenon] aubergine

Now you can have your precious non-depressing personal chat with your friend Rem.

See ya.
Rude as fuck but towny

That is easily fakeable.

Rudeness is not alignment indicative.
You should know how I read this game by now and know I'm damn good at it lol

I read emotion
Huh? What I remember from playing with you is that you are an unreadable wild card as either alignment and I even just flipped a coin in one game and it landed on town and I never bothered with you again lol

You say you read emotion, I read behavior and your play ending with your vote on Rem yesterday does not make sense at all from a behavioral stand point.

I 100% believe you are a wolf and I will show you guys later why, you'll see.
hey, how dare you accuse my scummate of wolfing

Is this sarcasm or WIFOM? I don't understand the point of either.

pyxxy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 4:09 pm worlds seem currently divided between scum epi/zenon and scum guillo?

or like, I'm surprised that guillo immediately jumped on zenon, but was voting Rem

Rem also only dying because of afk falcon is like, big red warning sign

I had reasons to vote Rem out. Zenon didn't, big difference.

Zenon wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 2:17 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 9:47 am
Zenon wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 6:14 am
Zenon wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 7:00 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 6:59 pm [VOTE: Zenon] aubergine

Now you can have your precious non-depressing personal chat with your friend Rem.

See ya.
Rude as fuck but towny

That is easily fakeable.

Rudeness is not alignment indicative.
You should know how I read this game by now and know I'm damn good at it lol

I read emotion

Huh? What I remember from playing with you is that you are an unreadable wild card as either alignment and I even just flipped a coin in one game and it landed on town and I never bothered with you again lol

You say you read emotion, I read behavior and your play ending with your vote on Rem yesterday does not make sense at all from a behavioral stand point.

I 100% believe you are a wolf and I will show you guys later why, you'll see.

After the gym

Im gonna case you af

So you killed Rem for these reasons, you won't tell me if im wrong now but you can tell me post game:

1) To say today that you were right all along and that we “forced” you to execute her.
2) To make Epignosis and I look associated so when you flip wolf, town wouldeliminate us based on association.
3) If the association didnt work then you can flip on me.

You very well know and have played with players who are rude and aggro as wolves.

But now that i think about it, at the time your wagon had dissipated and Epignosis posted that because you AtEd everyone for making the game “unfun” for putting Rem on the chopping block.
Seanzie, Wilgy, Epignosis, Pyxxy, you and I were switching wagons in the last hour and may e you gave Epignosis a townread to try to get him to back off of you.

Ok i convinced myself that Epignosis is not your partner, you just TMIed him town.

Zenon wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 6:14 am
Zenon wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 7:00 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 6:59 pm [VOTE: Zenon] aubergine

Now you can have your precious non-depressing personal chat with your friend Rem.

See ya.
Rude as fuck but towny

That is easily fakeable.

Rudeness is not alignment indicative.

What did you think what was gonna happen, that i would look partnered with you for voting Rem with me last minute? Is that it?

And now that Im sussing you you wanna flip it on me and actually blame me for your “decision”?

Zenon please

To think that i voted Rem not only because i didnt trust her but also to try to prevent your elimination when Seanzie was promoting a wagon on you making it a Rem vs you.

@Epignosis we need to talk

So Epignosis ended up on you to distance from you at the end because i had the suspicion yesterday that you both were teamed. Epignosis allegedly suspected you of being teamed with Cape90, Seanzie and myself but never went for a hard push on you.

You executed Rem over Epignosis when you had the chance to save her.

And the Seanzie dies at night after having left a legacy thst you are scum, that is why he died.

The only thing that is stopping me from voting Epignosis is because scum!you could have voted Rem over him to make him look associated with you.

No, you are mafia and you almost had me. If you had stayed on the wagon before you switched to Rem and had Rem flip from the tie, i would have been convinced that you were just town whom could god read Rem as you showed proof that you could townread Rem accurately in other games but you couldnt bus Epignosis could you.

Zenon wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 12:57 am
Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue Jul 25, 2023 8:04 pm @Zenon explain
I switched to prevent a tie before Epis switch. I will always prevent a tie. I stayed because unfortunately Epi self sacrificing was towny

Wolfs have full control of this game.

I don't trust myself. I fucked up killed my top town and was right anyways but a town was dead either way.

I dont believe you.

1) You had Epignosis in your scum reads until the very end
2) You had Rem as your top town to the point you AtEd the hell out of everyone who pushed her.
3) You allegedly were willing to die over Rem

You had the clear choice to execute someone who was in your PoE to save Rem and you are gonna tell me that you decided to execute Rem, whom you townread all game over someone you townleaned only at the very end?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 26, 2023 12:05 am Game dead already?

Let's revive it

Who is in your PoE now?

I wanna know why when you had the option to decide the execution between Epignosis and Rem, you chose Rem whom you defended with a passion all game.

[VOTE: Zenon] aubergine

@Zenon explain

You guys are crazy if you think Zenon's behavior is scum behavior here.

[VOTE: Rem] aubergine

What are you guys doing?

@DrWilgy

Mind giving us an updated read list?

Town

Scum

[VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine

@Zenon there you go, an alternative to Rem and Seanzie has opened up

Epignosis wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 6:09 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 6:05 pm [VOTE: Epignosis] aubergine

If he posts after this vote is because he has been lurking and reading
I'm posting after this vote because I am working yet cognizant that 7pm ET is the deadline.

LMAO

Bruh! Im voting with Wilgy

[VOTE: Epignosis] aubergine

If he posts after this vote is because he has been lurking and reading

Zenon wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 5:53 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 5:47 pm Zenon, how come you were 100% spot on about Rem being town in those games you linked.

What is the secret?
I read games weird. I read and pick up on things nobody else does and than get told I'm stupid and I'm wrong and I am reading things that are meaningless when I talk about them and than I get ignored and than those people flip town and people look at me and try to explain away my success.

Mac is one of the only players who has accurately pinpointed that I read things it looks like tmi it makes no sense but I have high accuracy.

So what is it? I read around intent, emotion, vibes, whatever I have explained this I have explained that I believe that Rems vibes were pure that she was not lying about being disappointed with her rand and this game until seeing me.

That is how I read the game. And than I try to look at things and go does this make sense as wolf? Does it make sense as town?

Why why not what makes more sense

My read accuracy on town reads is >rand I'm not 100% nobody is but I will always believe in my town reads.

Ok i believe you but again you must understand that to get other townies on board of what tou believe, you must show evidence that Rem is town.
Vibes are not gonna cut it, they are only good for post game bragging “yeeeeeah i was right about so and so”, we've all done it, im a cred hog myself but to get town behind you, you must show us what you see, quotes, posts etc.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 5:43 pm My worldview was a lot simpler when I just thought Epi was wolfing.

They did make me feel distinctly different than when I've seen them wolf in the past though.

Does anyone have strong feelings about Epi one way or the other?

No, to me they could still be mafia.

Zenon wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 5:47 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 5:37 pm
Zenon wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 5:33 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 3:38 pm I mean, Robyn could be with anyone at this point, but yeah... the more I think about it, the more I don't like Pyxxy's Robyn stuff today.

Pyxxy posted a vote on Robyn with "look a distraction".

Didn't mention them again until Pyxxy put Seanzie, Epi, Robyn as PoE.

When asked "why Robyn?" their response was "why not?"

then declared Robyn spewed town by the thread.
So are you calling Robyn a wolf?

Pyxxy a wolf?

I don't understand the conclusion I'm to draw here

But I do understand that you've basically scum read or shaded like at least 50% of this game today

Why?
Literally my town meta.

I ALSO don't understand. I have been trying to figure out a good worldview all day, but it is make excessively hard with people like you and Rem being AFK unless you're chatting about stuff not related to the game (I know you do give some reads, but you gotta understand your post-overload makes it 1,000 times harder for people to sort through it all to find anything). Epi has been full-on AFK for almost all day. Wilgy looks like a wolf, but at least they're participating. Falcon only stopped in for a little while. Pyxxy seems reasonable right now, but they do kinda look like they're TMIing so they're hard to trust. Who else am I even missing?

I've been working my ass off to try to find scum today. That's why I've been throwing around scum reads. Seeing what makes sense, and what people respond to, but TONS OF PEOPLE haven't been around, or have just REFUSED TO ANSWER QUESTIONS, and it makes it impossible to do anything productive in thread.

THAT ISN'T me. Don't blame me for this threadstate. I am trying to help. Can't be done alone.
It's extremely frustrating to have to keep hearing this about me over and over and over. I've tried. I'm continuing to try. Rem has prayed reads they exist I know they exist I've read them she's tried.

How about you show me those reads from Rem here that made you certain that she is town here Zenon.

You must understand thst this is a game of mafia and to convince other town you must show some proof. You showed proof that you ate accurate in reading her but you have not shown why is Tem town here.

Zenon, how come you were 100% spot on about Rem being town in those games you linked.

What is the secret?

Rem wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 5:35 pm Stay the course, kill guillotine

No one is gonna kill me cause im townie as fuck and ive shown everyone in detail my thought process on the people ive pushed.

Your last read was that since you dont believe that i dont remember you i must be lying and hence deserving of the lynch.

Sorry, i remember MacDougall, Achromatic, Alexa, Katze, BATMAN, Seanzie… all outstanding players that have done things worth remembering for. If i dont remember you we either have played very little before or your play was not strong enough to stick in my mind.

Im sorry

@Zenon

You dont want rem or robyn and i dont want Seanzie.

Say we both agree to compromise in another slot outside of those three.

Whom would be your pick?

pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 4:54 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 4:50 pm
pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 4:36 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 4:31 pm
pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 4:01 pm We've got 3 hours. I'm not doomering yet.

100% agree that Robyn disappearing doesn't earn a shield. It's that people were not seriously discussing Robyn until now, the last quarter or so of the phase.

And it's not with "oh we chop Robyn, we then have a POE of X Y and Z to win the game bc association analysis".

You've done the most out of anyone. You've suggested Pyxxy/Robyn. But if that's true, then you should always chop me because I've actually been interacting and posting today.

Robyn and I are sort of opposites in posting numbers, D1 compared to D2. The more recent day will always be fresher. You could make a case for me knowing that Robyn would be afk or that I'm reacting out of anxiety about Robyn slanking / not working with me in scum chat, or something like that.

In which case. You should always chop me first. Because flipping Robyn on a day lacking in cases against Robyn + basically nothing gained from a town!Robyn flip.

If Robyn slanks again tomorrow, kill'em dead. But not today.
1. I suggested you two could be teamed, but Robyn could be teamed with anyone at this point, which is why IMO they aren't a bad chop.

2. We have two miselims left. waiting to chop slots that aren't contributing like you're suggesting only works for so long. If we miss today and Robyn is town, that sends us to F5, which is bad.

3. The gain from a town!Robyn flip is removing a slot that is not showing signs of coming closer to being socially resolved. The detriment of not flipping Robyn is that we only have so many elims, and while Robyn is the worst offender from today, there are a lot of slots that IMO are not contributing the content required to suss out the wolves in time.
1. That's focusing entirely on all of the upside if Robyn flips scum. But you also are saying that Robyn could be with anyone. That also means that chopping Robyn clears.....no one. So how is it a good chop?

2. Wait. So in point #1, you were preflipping Robyn as scum. But in this point, you're preflipping Robyn as town?

You can only have one argument. Stick with #1 or #2. Can't have both.

3. But flipping town Robyn doesn't get us zip. Zero. Zilch. As opposed to flipping literally anyone else, myself included, where solving can be done and associations can be made tomorrow.
This feels like you aren't considering a T Seanzie world at all right? I doubt and consider both T and W worlds 96% of the time, so why wouldn't T Seanzie do the same?

Everyone being towny 36% of the time does point towards sleepy wolves. The PoE being between you/Rem/Robyn, I'd rather not be incorrect on you/Rem if I don't have to be. While I don't have arguments as to who Robyn's immediate teammate is, I at least have arguments as for why each other player can be T.
In a T Seanzie world, he is being incredibly gracious towards me and my tunnel. I owe him a drink and an appetizer afterwards.

But I'm pretty convinced it's W Seanzie.

_But_ last time I ever behaved this convinced of a read was probably scum!me getting Robyn chopped.

So. Not a great track record to compare against

Ok Pyxxy is just town.

No wolf is gonna bring that up willingly in a game with players wth no meta of him

The reason for staying on me is because i dont remember her and she does not believe it.

[VOTE: Rem] aubergine

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 4:39 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 4:34 pm @DrWilgy @Rem @Guillotine @robyn

All of you are either voting yourself, on a vanity wagon, or not voting. This is not a good spread with only a few hours left in the day.

Can we try to consolidate? If not, I'll be moving to Rem, but I wouldn't mind a second good option.
Out of Rem/Pyx/Robyn I don't think it's yet time to toss Rem on merit of Zenon (but as I stated earlier this grows weaker as it goes). Pyx is at least here doing things and I think it's similar enough to cyberpunk in vibe.

[VOTE: Robyn] aubergine

45% confidence.

I dont wanna be on Robyn now

pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 4:36 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 4:31 pm
pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 4:01 pm We've got 3 hours. I'm not doomering yet.

100% agree that Robyn disappearing doesn't earn a shield. It's that people were not seriously discussing Robyn until now, the last quarter or so of the phase.

And it's not with "oh we chop Robyn, we then have a POE of X Y and Z to win the game bc association analysis".

You've done the most out of anyone. You've suggested Pyxxy/Robyn. But if that's true, then you should always chop me because I've actually been interacting and posting today.

Robyn and I are sort of opposites in posting numbers, D1 compared to D2. The more recent day will always be fresher. You could make a case for me knowing that Robyn would be afk or that I'm reacting out of anxiety about Robyn slanking / not working with me in scum chat, or something like that.

In which case. You should always chop me first. Because flipping Robyn on a day lacking in cases against Robyn + basically nothing gained from a town!Robyn flip.

If Robyn slanks again tomorrow, kill'em dead. But not today.
1. I suggested you two could be teamed, but Robyn could be teamed with anyone at this point, which is why IMO they aren't a bad chop.

2. We have two miselims left. waiting to chop slots that aren't contributing like you're suggesting only works for so long. If we miss today and Robyn is town, that sends us to F5, which is bad.

3. The gain from a town!Robyn flip is removing a slot that is not showing signs of coming closer to being socially resolved. The detriment of not flipping Robyn is that we only have so many elims, and while Robyn is the worst offender from today, there are a lot of slots that IMO are not contributing the content required to suss out the wolves in time.
1. That's focusing entirely on all of the upside if Robyn flips scum. But you also are saying that Robyn could be with anyone. That also means that chopping Robyn clears.....no one. So how is it a good chop?

2. Wait. So in point #1, you were preflipping Robyn as scum. But in this point, you're preflipping Robyn as town?

You can only have one argument. Stick with #1 or #2. Can't have both.

3. But flipping town Robyn doesn't get us zip. Zero. Zilch. As opposed to flipping literally anyone else, myself included, where solving can be done and associations can be made tomorrow.

Fuck this is a townie post.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 4:33 pm I am not feeling super confident on the Rem wagon right now, but all other wagons are vanity wagons. I don't like this.

I intent to consolidate

pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 4:31 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 4:30 pm
pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 24, 2023 4:23 pm It's the list of people that you've said I've TMI'd as town.
So that is the list of people Seanzie pushed plus Robyn?
It's the list of people that you think that I, pyxxy, scumdog millionaire, have TMI'd as town so far in this game.

And I had a lot of TMI'ing to catch up on after D1!

Ok so who are the wolves that Seanzie failed to catch on day 1 then?

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