The Syndicate

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Thu Apr 01, 2021 7:04 pm Never playing mafia again

What a legend. Forever in my heart

Thanks for the win!
I hope everyone is doing well. I miss everyone

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 20, 2021 6:58 pm
Grogu wrote: ↑Sat Mar 20, 2021 6:55 pm
MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 20, 2021 6:51 pm You never claimed any direct mech info but I'm fairly sure that's the impression quite a few people got at that time, myself included.

Heck you even did these two posts back to back:

Grogu wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 3:20 am Has falcon claimed anything? I have reasons to believe he is a baddie

Grogu wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 3:22 am Sloone also super scummy so far, I was expecting him to be running this game if he was town from what I heard. Looks like a scum rand
The first one just leaves it up to vague "reasons" and is really pressing for a claim on day two but you handle Sloonei differently.
And what are you getting at? Those were two reads.... that’s all they were. There is zero info because I had none. Falcon was my top scum read. I didn’t want him to claim. I was wondering if he claimed anything. Many people claimed colors etc. I claimed lime green d1 or d2
You didn't ask if Sloonei claimed anything.

Generally asking about any claims, while in the short span saying you think they're scummy, is generally a soft for having mech info.

It rarely isn't that in my experience.

I wasn’t as worried about him and falcon had hinted at info on Alison. You do understand that right? I wasn’t the only to point out, matter fact someone else did. Look it up
They called out him voting Alison without much fanfare

Good luck Hubos and town alike. I wish I read more, I don’t promise to read tomorrow but I will the next day. I’ll have much time then, even if I die I’ll be here helping us. I trust marmot and tony the most outside of claims. Add urist here kinda.
Claim wise I trust Martin a lot and Kyle. Rest are all rand.

@sprityo save your shot or shot some one else. I am a tree stump, I will be dead but I can post. I cannot vote or count for parity. I’m town

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 20, 2021 6:51 pm You never claimed any direct mech info but I'm fairly sure that's the impression quite a few people got at that time, myself included.

Heck you even did these two posts back to back:

Grogu wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 3:20 am Has falcon claimed anything? I have reasons to believe he is a baddie

Grogu wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 3:22 am Sloone also super scummy so far, I was expecting him to be running this game if he was town from what I heard. Looks like a scum rand
The first one just leaves it up to vague "reasons" and is really pressing for a claim on day two but you handle Sloonei differently.

And what are you getting at? Those were two reads.... that’s all they were. There is zero info because I had none. Falcon was my top scum read. I didn’t want him to claim. I was wondering if he claimed anything. Many people claimed colors etc. I claimed lime green d1 or d2

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 20, 2021 6:48 pm
Grogu wrote: ↑Sat Mar 20, 2021 6:45 pm No. I tricked falcon and others filled in the gaps and he got scared and outed himself. He was pushing me and I was pushing him then he hinted at results on Alison.
You tricked him, which implies you found him really scummy in order to fake that.

But as I read it there was a sudden "oh it was a cop check that makes sense"

and you just didn't question it despite you suspecting him enough to supposedly lie about a mech check

Grogu wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 12:26 pm Oh so it was a check? Hmm that kinda makes sense. Nvm
I saw falcon not claiming as him hiding info from us but makes sense if he wants to stay alive plus he stopped being annoying and talking about me. I just never thought it would be a check because why not check me? I guess it makes sense now that you mention it.
Like to me its like you were just some town having their first track or watch mech info and got really exicted and thought it must mean something bad on Falcon but then realized that wasn't the case.

I have a harder time believing you genuinely found the guy suspicious and decided to trick him and then go "That makes sense. Nvm".

That’s exactly what happened. I thought he was scum, then his claim made sense. I said shit I don’t want to out the cop. Let me back off.
It made perfect sense to me. Sorry if you don’t see it that way

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 20, 2021 6:48 pm
Grogu wrote: ↑Sat Mar 20, 2021 6:45 pm No. I tricked falcon and others filled in the gaps and he got scared and outed himself. He was pushing me and I was pushing him then he hinted at results on Alison.
You tricked him, which implies you found him really scummy in order to fake that.

But as I read it there was a sudden "oh it was a cop check that makes sense"

and you just didn't question it despite you suspecting him enough to supposedly lie about a mech check

Grogu wrote: ↑Fri Mar 05, 2021 12:26 pm Oh so it was a check? Hmm that kinda makes sense. Nvm
I saw falcon not claiming as him hiding info from us but makes sense if he wants to stay alive plus he stopped being annoying and talking about me. I just never thought it would be a check because why not check me? I guess it makes sense now that you mention it.
Like to me its like you were just some town having their first track or watch mech info and got really exicted and thought it must mean something bad on Falcon but then realized that wasn't the case.

I have a harder time believing you genuinely found the guy suspicious and decided to trick him and then go "That makes sense. Nvm".

Because he claimed it was a cop check. I didn’t want to out our cop... I felt stupid and felt he was honest.
Then more things came to light and I went back on him.
Notice I back off him. Then went back and yes I had a scum read on him but I could be wrong. I had no true evidence

Urist wrote: ↑Sat Mar 20, 2021 6:46 pmLol grogu

Urist is not funny. Look at the thread. I said something then falcon and others assumed something like a track or watch and I then pressed on. Only when I saw falcon caught reaction.
My only action this game was a track last night on sprit/daisy slot which resulted in marmot being targeted by them.

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 20, 2021 6:44 pm
Grogu wrote: ↑Sat Mar 20, 2021 5:59 pm I’m sorry guys and gals. I think best case is to kill me here but let’s plan next steps.
We can win. I will win most likely, I am leaving tomorrow night and won’t have access to my phone for a bit.
I won a track a few nights ago and never used. I used it last night as I previously hinted I had saved a power, it was not my own.
Which means either we have an inventor or scum had an inventor and they were nice enough to gift it. This whole time I thought it was Alison or marmot but they claimed something else. Epi role was hidden so I thought maybe epi and that’s why he scum read me since I never gave the result to his gift? Idk.

I tracked sprit last night and is good...
this doesn't explain how you got mech info on Falcon

I had zero... I have done this before and it is why I defended omega doing her stuff too. I saw a town player do it to us when I was scum last time and fucked us up. We thought they were tracker and they got a wolf killed. They were Vt with a fake result.

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 20, 2021 6:41 pm
Grogu wrote: ↑Sat Mar 20, 2021 6:40 pm Martin I claimed. Why would you shoot me? I’ll just be here mad at you and keep posting. You can kill me but you cannot silence me
So, what, you lied about tracks or something?

No. I tricked falcon and others filled in the gaps and he got scared and outed himself. He was pushing me and I was pushing him then he hinted at results on Alison.
I liked Alison and I said; (paraphrase) I know what you did, tell us I have results. Then he flail and outed himself. Why would townbe afraid? He was one of the 3p jimmy jagged so oh well

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Mar 20, 2021 6:41 pm
Grogu wrote: ↑Sat Mar 20, 2021 6:37 pm Is Lc the only VT in the game? Smells like BS. He’s prob scum and wolves got all the Vts as fake claims. I’m 99% this is the case. His actions and posts this game look scummy as fuck. He don’t even care to hide it.
You are going down and I am not.

This is not a towny reason. You should die.
What makes you trust sprit? What if they are scum vig? You think I get shot? Now they know I’m a tree stump? You cannot silence me. I’ll flip town and lead town to victory

Why couldn’t sprit be the scum vig? Explain

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sat Mar 20, 2021 6:38 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Mar 20, 2021 3:43 pm @Urist @Grogu @Jackofhearts2005 @MartinGG99 @sprityo

Why are all of you voting Slaver? From what I can tell based on your claims, this is not in line with your wincon, so y'all better have good explanations for your thinking.

@TonyStarkPrime Is your alignment known? If so, what is it? Is Slaver death part of your wincon? If not, please also answer the question above.

I feel like Marmot and LC should be more or less clear off this since they are voting to narrow the Enclave PoE, whereas I'd guess some people voting for Alison are doing it to avoid narrowing the Enclave PoE.
1. Sprityo is shooting Grogu per his BoS Joshua claim (and the fact that I've determined the only plausible town roles for Grogu happen to be the roles that Marmot and Sprityo claim to have). So take down the slaver and narrow the PoE at the same time.

Otherwise we basically flash-wagon him if he doesn't shoot, afaik there's no ability or role-blockers alive. And if Grogu flips town after being shot (if sprityo is town), then we can figure out who's the scum in Marmot/Sprityo, if its not both of them.

2. I've discussed and repeated my past opinions as to why the Slaver is likely mechanically forced and predisposed to scum-side with Encalve in the current game-state, who is the town's collective enemy. TL;DR if Enclave is going to die soon (which it potentially is imo with the solving as of recent day phases) then that puts greater urgency for Alison to achieve her win con or to try and defend who she really thinks is the enclave and try to scum-paint a different town in the hopes that Enclave shoots one of her enemies.

Martin I claimed. Why would you shoot me? I’ll just be here mad at you and keep posting. You can kill me but you cannot silence me

Damn nvm they have 16 names in the wasteland. That’s a shit ton and 3 died... that’s fuckimg weird. Why have so many damn Vts

Is Lc the only VT in the game? Smells like BS. He’s prob scum and wolves got all the Vts as fake claims. I’m 99% this is the case. His actions and posts this game look scummy as fuck. He don’t even care to hide it.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Mar 20, 2021 6:32 pmvt

Haha

Hey Lc don’t hate, I’m a Vt basically just a cooler color.

Would SPF know I was Hubo the night she died? She had a role that can disrupt others and had 3 shots so on n2 she can still use 1.
She’s my only true team mate and then marmot. It is just us?

What did Lc claimed? Why does he need me dead lol

Long Con wrote: ↑Sat Mar 20, 2021 6:27 pm Hubologists must die! Unless you're the last one. But I can't take that chance.

I think only one of us died. I had already claimed my lime green status day 1 Hubologist GOATS
LC don’t fuck with us

All I had was a track I got n2 or n3 which I thought marmot or epi gave to me

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Mar 20, 2021 6:24 pm grogu why'd you retract on chop on day 4

Retract what? I didn’t have any result dude. Pay attention.
I’m a goddamn tree stump

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Mar 20, 2021 6:11 pm also i think we already knew that

Did they hinted at it or made it clear? I asked 10 times and they didn’t tell me

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Mar 20, 2021 6:15 pm and do we have an explanation on the prior two results or are we just pretending those don't exist

Which results? Falcon was annoying me and I had a strong scum read on him.
He pushed and voted Alison and hinted at knowing her role, I liked Alison a lot and smelled a setup.
All I said was I knowwhat you did and noticed how he panicked and didn’t know if I watched or tracked. Falcon himself and others gave hints and he fucked up, he started to act super caught and eventually died.
Noticed I never claimed an actual power. The following night I got a track gifted, I saved it to catch someone.
The chop stuff he was so outed and wolfy, I wanted him to die already. Tbh I cannot remember what I said about him. Someone else I trusted had a result and I just went with it. I had no information on him other than wanting him dead for days and him talking himself out of it. I wanted to nail his coffin that’s all.

My issue is I wanted to die early by scum killing me thinking I was a power role. I get to post as dead but I don’t count for parity. I think scum already knew this, I’m sure they copped me early and knew I was full of shit. How I know?
Chop kept hinting at it and telling me I had no results and I was full of shit. He KNEW!

Hubologist

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Mar 20, 2021 6:13 pm
Grogu wrote: ↑Sat Mar 20, 2021 6:10 pm I tracked sprit to marmot. That’s not good
And what role/alignment are you?

Just a hobo.

I’m a Hobo

I am lime green. The special one just a god damn vanilla basically that get to post as dead. Chosen one or whatever

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Mar 20, 2021 6:11 pm do you think... sprit shot marmot?

No they could have shot epi and cop marmot or sometching else like disrupt his role etc.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Mar 20, 2021 6:10 pm Grogu taking the time to try to figure out what Joshua's powers are before giving his results here I think looks very bad for Grogu.

I am not, I haven’t read much of the roles. Don’t know shit about them.
Do we have a claimed inventor? I was pressing sprit to claim before me because I knew what she did

I tracked sprit to marmot. That’s not good

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Mar 20, 2021 6:03 pm sprit claimed joshua i think

What’s that? And what do they do?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Mar 20, 2021 3:43 pm @Urist @Grogu @Jackofhearts2005 @MartinGG99 @sprityo

Why are all of you voting Slaver? From what I can tell based on your claims, this is not in line with your wincon, so y'all better have good explanations for your thinking.

@TonyStarkPrime Is your alignment known? If so, what is it? Is Slaver death part of your wincon? If not, please also answer the question above.

I feel like Marmot and LC should be more or less clear off this since they are voting to narrow the Enclave PoE, whereas I'd guess some people voting for Alison are doing it to avoid narrowing the Enclave PoE.

@Seanzie I rather not vote Alison. I rather not vote me but Is going to be hard for me to play next day phase. I’m going to claim everything and we can elim sprityo instead.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Mar 20, 2021 5:54 pm grogu claim or i might give in and chop you even though it would be mechanically unwise for multiple reasons

I will. Tell me what sprit said, I wanted them to claim first for a reason.

Tony what did sprit claim? I don’t have time to check. Please help me

I’m sorry guys and gals. I think best case is to kill me here but let’s plan next steps.
We can win. I will win most likely, I am leaving tomorrow night and won’t have access to my phone for a bit.
I won a track a few nights ago and never used. I used it last night as I previously hinted I had saved a power, it was not my own.
Which means either we have an inventor or scum had an inventor and they were nice enough to gift it. This whole time I thought it was Alison or marmot but they claimed something else. Epi role was hidden so I thought maybe epi and that’s why he scum read me since I never gave the result to his gift? Idk.

I tracked sprit last night and is good...

Hello

Is anyone else aware of what has Daisy sprit claimed or been clear on?

sprityo wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 3:13 pm grogu buddy i've been pretty transparent today on who i could be, just give it some thought and all your questions are answered. However I wont tell you any other night actions for the time being

I don’t feel like thinking, I have a lot of business bids to sort thru and is Friday. Why don’t you claim what you do at nights and who you target

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 3:12 pm hey real quick sidebar is there a strong reason to believe martin is town and what was it again

He had info on slaver and chop. Unless he sacrificed chop to clear himself which is possible. He seems towny though

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 3:11 pm
Grogu wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 3:09 pm I ask you marmot to get daisy slot to claim first.
I have a result and know who they targeted but that’s it. I want to hear her claim and result for each night more importantly last night.
Daisy got replaced by Sprityo.

They claimed Brotherhood of Steel as an alignment.

I don’t care about that.

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 3:11 pm Interesting. So we got Jack + Sprityo + Urist (potentially) + Kylemii as BoS.

There's one scum in there Imo. Maaaybe 2 but I doubt.

I'm eager to hear @Grogu's claim.

I think I know who it is. I need Daisy/sprit targets

I ask you marmot to get daisy slot to claim first.
I have a result and know who they targeted but that’s it. I want to hear her claim and result for each night more importantly last night.

So the plan is to yeet Alison and then what?
Alison did you shoot last night?

What is the plan for today?
I am ok with marmot plan, I want sprit to claim before I do. Make that happen and I claim

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 7:00 pm Night 6 has ended.

Epignosis has been killed. He was:

Spoiler: show
???

Day 7 is underway. You have 48 hours to place your votes.

Also, you have picked up a new radio signal emitting a broadcast:

A report from the EPI Institute:

Alison: Confirmed Slaver. Must eliminate. 100%

Grogu: Possible religious nut. Possible Enclave. Upon review of the Hubologists, we have determined that Grogu can only truly be AHS-7 or The Enlightened One. Vikki Goldman is deceased, and AHS-9 and Juan Cruz would have produced nightly observable phenomenon. Both possibilities are viable fake identities Enclave can use to skate by undetected. Separate from this, Grogu’s activity level has been suppressed, averaging only 26.17 transmissions per day. We place the chance that Grogu serves Enclave at 70%

JackofHearts2005: We are repeatedly concerned about our inability to recall any positive momentum from this individual. We place the chance that JackofHearts2005 is aligned with Enclave at 78%.

Long Con: Claims to be an honest villager with no special skillset. We cannot confirm or deny that claim. We place the chance that Long Con is lying at 50%.
[10:22 AM]
Marmot: The report we acquired dated March 8, 2162 and timestamped at 0052 is a strong indication that Marmot is not in a league with Enclave. Separately, we understand that Marmot is a self-proclaimed expert tracker, but we are unable to deduce the source of those capabilities. We place the chance that Marmot provides support to Enclave at 39%.

MartinGG99: Alias “Louis.” This alias could reasonably be cover for Enclave. Apart from this, we observe that the analytics MartinGG99 has engaged in have been conducted in good faith. We place the chance that MartinGG99 is in the service of Enclave at 34%.

Seanzie: Likely an ally from Redding. We place the chance that this is false at 18%.
[10:22 AM]
Kylemii: Confirmed ally. 0%

sprityo: Under the alias “Spacedaisy,” allegedly received a communication from Enclave and the reaction to its contents and the responses others made seem genuine enough. We place the chance that this is an elaborate scheme between two members of the Enclave faction at 29%.

TonyStarkPrime: Enclave theatrics would have to be in play for us to regard TonyStarkPrime as an enemy. It is not impossible, but the leadership qualities and high activity cannot be denied. We place the chance that TonyStarkPrime is allied with Enclave at 32%.

Urist: Claimed to have protected our agent the Night there was no death. This is the most likely scenario given the logical targeting of our agent and given the number of protective abilities in play. We place the chance that Enclave opted to forgo murderous activity in order to facilitate an Enclave Urist sleeper agent at 22%.

Lol epi. Rip buddy, you think I’m the most likeliest wolf? Wow

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 1:11 am plus!!!! i haven't read any of the game so i'll be super easy to trick

Yeah looks like we need to start reading. I’m going to start paying attention, I have to read the roles and see what I’m missing.

I love urist new avatar. Amazing

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 10:59 pm

Epi your role sucks. I would hate to be you, how do you even make those messages.

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 10:56 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Feb 26, 2021 12:28 am How the hell does the game end?

1) Enclave destroyed by the end of Night 5 -- all blue, cyan, and soft green factions win. Slaver and Vault City may or may not win pending circumstances.

2) Enclave destroyed, Slaver is dead, and Vault City cannot achieve win condition.

3) Enclave destroyed and Vault City has achieved win condition.

4) Enclave and Vault City are both destroyed.

5) Enclave meets win condition.

6) Any other eventualities, if applicable, are assessed by the host case-by-case and a sensible endgame is determined. No endgame will be allowed featuring only "town" (blue, cyan, and soft green) factions -- if all others are eliminated, regardless of win condition, the game will end. If the game is active, at least one non-"town" player is alive (Slaver, Vault City, and/or Enclave).

And what is the enclave win conditions? Does Slaver and vault city (RIP) have to die?

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Mar 16, 2021 10:51 pm I need 1 person from each enemy faction dead at a minimum. Dom is Arroyo, VC is wiped out. So I need someone from Redding and someone from BOS killed. Epi (who is probably Chosen One/Arroyo) will likely die too in the process, meaning I have 6 dead. 6 is probably 80% of my targets dead.

If mafia doesn't kill Kyle/Redding player then they'll get auto'd by whoever claims Redding (almost certainly only one since no claims so far) and Kyle/Epi as the confirmed towncore.

Therefore Enclave is forced to kill my targets or they get mech locked out of the game by conftown. This is why I outed, I wouldn't otherwise.

Oh oh. I don’t like this Alison. Sad

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