The Syndicate

tessepia wrote: ↑Thu Sep 30, 2021 9:16 pm

Gira wrote: ↑Thu Sep 30, 2021 9:14 pm tempted to take tess's read on me as a scumclaim

do it then

ok

[VOTE: tessepia] aubergine

tempted to take tess's read on me as a scumclaim

Mizery wrote: ↑Thu Sep 30, 2021 9:11 pm

Gira wrote: ↑Thu Sep 30, 2021 9:10 pm played one game with illwei on mafiascum and kind of sort of spectated her champs games

what-

i was the guy who tunneled you because i thought you faked a dumbtell

(sorry about that)

tessepia wrote: ↑Thu Sep 30, 2021 7:59 pm I could make up some reasons like I always kill Alison or at least make a not bad kill but eh

btw how familiar is gira with the players here/the site?

i played 1 game in here but it was an atypical setup (traitors for exile) so i don't take much from it, falcon was in the game as a traitor, so not really informed minority, although i think at this point he's blown past the benchmark from that game for scumhunting

played one game with wisp
obv know lime coke a lot
played one game with illwei on mafiascum and kind of sort of spectated her champs games
had not played in a game concurrently with seth but read some of his games on mafiascum/replaced into games he subbed out of and am fairly confident he's an easy read
don't know alison/drwilgy/ender/luckbox

(also had played with dizzy once and was looking forward to playing with him again and am upset he was yeeted)

tessepia wrote: ↑Thu Sep 30, 2021 7:28 pm hi

gira probs a wolf

lol k

Gavial wrote: ↑Thu Sep 30, 2021 5:02 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 2:46 pm

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 2:44 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 2:41 pm I'd vote Alison

Could you elaborate there?

If Alison becomes a viable counterwagon to miz i woild vote for her

Ok so I noticed Nanook seems to be suspecting Lime Coke. But I also found this post of Nanook wanting the Alison CW like I did, agreeing with my action I wanted to make but wasn’t able to then.
Yeah I still think there is scum within Dizzy/Alison and Dizzy flipped Town soooo.
/Vote Alison
I shall sheep you now Nanook! True Friendship!
Come Join us fellow comrades!

can you explain why you thought alison might be scum on day 1? i'd look back for it myself but don't have the time right now, want to hear it in your own words

gavial is extremely entertaining

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Sep 30, 2021 4:35 pm I would like the general thoughts on Alison. I am thinking my town stance there may be weaker than yesterday.

i'll give you an answer later when i'm home and have time to ISO people

@Wisp can you give me a little elaboration on why you think wilgy is town by meta? want something to work off of but don't want to do homework because i'm lazy

not saying i'm ride or die with those reads and will never re-evaluate but imo nanook doesn't get killed if those reads are super bad, prefer to look elsewhere

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Sep 30, 2021 4:00 pm

Gira wrote: ↑Thu Sep 30, 2021 3:25 pm went to check nanooks legacy townreads because im not voting them today and its everyone posting right now

I don't believe that this is wise.

Nook was wanted dead for a reason, was Nook right or wrong is a manipulatable WIFOM situation.

on principle i'm not gonna kill someone's townreads after they ate the NK absent an incredibly strong case

don't know why you'd expect esooa with the way she played day 1

i've seen her play lazy games as either alignment so it's not even like i'd scumread her for it but i certainly wouldn't townread anything she's posted so far

that's one read i'm okay with hipfiring

Wisp wrote: ↑Thu Sep 30, 2021 3:28 pm

Gira wrote: ↑Thu Sep 30, 2021 3:25 pm went to check nanooks legacy townreads because im not voting them today and its everyone posting right now

Is wigly one of them? I was finna check when I got home.

no just you/luckbox/mizery and me

which, i was already okay with two of those and have no desire to repeat history by running up mizery again so that is fine by me

went to check nanooks legacy townreads because im not voting them today and its everyone posting right now

oh did i get whooshed by a joke

Mizery wrote: ↑Thu Sep 30, 2021 3:02 pm

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Thu Sep 30, 2021 3:01 pm You're all wolves.

i hope the wolves win

fairly unsporting of you

i think it's ~probable that, regardless of mizery's alignment, scum wanted dizzy out more than mizery (and i'm sad that things shook out the way they did but am not going to waste the day crying over it)

but that's purely a speculative read rather than an actionable one, have to look at the specifics of people's actions

only have a few hours as usual, detailed analysis will have to come later

guess i should have refreshed since i got my answer

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 2:51 pm I lowkey want to kill lime

i mean i always want to kill lime but not for alignment reasons most of the time

whys he bad here

yeah i read 2 pages of his fleabag iso and dizzy is just town here

not to say that a half-decent player can't change things up to keep people off balance but in terms of how he's approaching this game but he feels more genuine here and the uncertainty is believable

[VOTE: mizery] aubergine

Mizery wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 2:39 pm

Wisp wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 2:37 pm well technically it was started by Luck

nice so that doesn't change my thoughts at all.

I don't like it, feels like a way to get people off of Dizzy generally. and then moves back to me putting me back over.

Nothing i say can be taken as like, objective, but also ew

lol if you think i think that much about peoples votes

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 2:35 pm [VOTE: Mizery] aubergine

I feel better here than Wilgy.

yeah probably

Wisp wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 2:31 pm

Gira wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 2:29 pm most scum would be more careful with optics around their votes

ya well im not scum, so as long someone dies, that still has a possibility of being a wolf, which others think
even if it contradicts my reads, then I'll vote them, I'm not an omnipotent being

in the case of Mizery I don't feel like anyone wants to save him, unless all his partners are just not playing the game

think reads based around saving/not saving wagonomics type stuff tend to be incredibly disconnected from how scum actually play the game but people preach that stuff as if gospel while not checking those assumptions

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 2:30 pm

Gira wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 2:27 pm

Wisp wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 2:23 pm nothing, I acknowledge he hasn't do much
with my counter-argument being his meta probably points to him just being obvious town
but meta is clearly only important when it pushes the read everyone else wants

i dunno man it's just me and luckbox voting him, i know nothing about him and i'm certainly not about to do any homework on him, idk why you're acting like this is overwhelming consensus against you

This kinda. Wisp writes as if there's a spotlight on them.

Wolf projections? A wolf knows that their personal value is greater than a townfolk.

you're off your rocker my man scum don't get that flustered over disagreement

most scum would be more careful with optics around their votes

whole sequence is probably +town for wisp though

Wisp wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 2:23 pm nothing, I acknowledge he hasn't do much
with my counter-argument being his meta probably points to him just being obvious town
but meta is clearly only important when it pushes the read everyone else wants

i dunno man it's just me and luckbox voting him, i know nothing about him and i'm certainly not about to do any homework on him, idk why you're acting like this is overwhelming consensus against you

like even if the people being voted are uncertain to you it feels like they'd be better choices than someone you had as town?

Wisp wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 2:20 pm

Gira wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 2:18 pm

Wisp wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 2:18 pm sigh
[VOTE: Dr. Wigly] aubergine
this is why I don't write PoE's anymore

uh?

"this is why I don't write PoE's anymore"
"this is why I don't write PoE's anymore"
"this is why I don't write PoE's anymore"
"this is why I don't write PoE's anymore"
"this is why I don't write PoE's anymore"

can you give words on what changed about your thinking?

didn't you have him as one of your town reads

Wisp wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 2:18 pm sigh
[VOTE: Dr. Wigly] aubergine
this is why I don't write PoE's anymore

uh?

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 2:14 pm

Gira wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 1:38 pm

Mizery wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 1:33 pm Does anyone remember why anyone is voting Dizzy

gavial is tunneling him for his own idiosyncratic reasns like dizzy jokingly voting falcon when he thought falcon was town. nanook is sheeping him, wisp says he agrees with the case which is a little and tesseppia is basically just doing a lazy nothing vote

none of it is that strong and i've already said i think it's fairly unlikely to be correct

This is why I find him scummy.

ok but the thing is, this particular person tunneling on some level 0 read with ~conviction~ is fairly towny

just realized the emoticon in the post is not the one it showed in the preview, i want a refund

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 2:05 pm

Gira wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 1:09 pm

Spoiler: show

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 1:06 pm

Gira wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 1:03 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 12:52 pm I'm going to repeat this. I'm afraid we are rail roading towards a misyeet.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 12:33 pm Like don't get me wrong. I see a ton of fluffy fluff from Mizery which is off putting.

But I'd also expect a fluffy wolf to take the path of least resistance. Sheeping me while voting Luck would be that. Miz isn't sheeping me as far as I can tell.

Now, Gira, Luck, and Wiggin being on Mizery also has me deterred from this yeet. I think it's really easy to vote Mizery, scum would eat that for breakfast. This feels like low hanging fruit.

the strongest arument you have for her being town is "not sheeping you" on your vote which is really weaksauce

why are you exhibitig this level of concern for someone you barely have a read on based on their actual posts

Because this line feels incorrect. Do I need another reason?

Also how is that weak? What puts Mizery on Luck if they are scum?

why does it feel incorrect

what is fueling this conviction

I responded to the wrong post. See above.

But to further explain without sass. Mizery feels too easy, there's no scum effort here it feels, and Mizery's line doesn't feel like the actions of a scum as I explained before.

why cant she be low effort scum, this is fallacious reasoning, i don't buy it

a thrilling retort

Wisp wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 1:10 am [VOTE: Dizzy] aubergine
remember when I said alison might be town?
im scratching that for now
but im voting dizzy because meta, and I am also sheeping Seth's case

which makes this pretty weird because i'm not sure what seth has posted that wisp would feel the need to sheep here

Gavial wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 10:15 am You know what, he’s what I’m gonna do.
I’m gonna vote Dizzy and if Dizzy wants me to move my vote they are gonna need to move off of Falcon!

Gavial wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 2:23 pm Funny cause Dizzy comes into thread and dips with their vote STILL on their townread.

If they were really actually considered about my vote on them they would you know like read my post and take off their vote.

Gavial wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 5:24 pm But I will say Dizzy’s vote on Nanook is a bad look for Dizzy

this is, like, pretty lol stuff

Mizery wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 1:51 pm maybe I'll take a half hour nap and wake up before eod

see you tomorrow

Mizery wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 1:48 pm

Gira wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 1:48 pm

Mizery wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 1:45 pm

Gira wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 1:44 pm

Mizery wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 1:42 pm

Mizery wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 1:38 pm Hey guys. Did a simple RNG analysis from 1-15. In conclusion, Luck is two of the wolves and Wigly is the other one. GG

This is a wolfclaim

see now because of meta i think this is towny

you
i thought you said you didn't know me

i don't think i've explicitly said i don't know you but i lurk in spec chat for MU so have some sense that your response to pressure is idiosyncratic in a way that doesn't fit the usual model for a civilian

i will pretend to understand this

ahhhh yeahhhh okay makes sense yes yes

you don't react to getting pushed the way most people do but from what i know of you the way you're acting here is +town

Mizery wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 1:45 pm

Gira wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 1:44 pm

Mizery wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 1:42 pm

Mizery wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 1:38 pm Hey guys. Did a simple RNG analysis from 1-15. In conclusion, Luck is two of the wolves and Wigly is the other one. GG

This is a wolfclaim

see now because of meta i think this is towny

you
i thought you said you didn't know me

i don't think i've explicitly said i don't know you but i lurk in spec chat for MU so have some sense that your response to pressure is idiosyncratic in a way that doesn't fit the usual model for a civilian

Mizery wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 1:42 pm

Mizery wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 1:38 pm Hey guys. Did a simple RNG analysis from 1-15. In conclusion, Luck is two of the wolves and Wigly is the other one. GG

This is a wolfclaim

see now because of meta i think this is towny

read luckbox's iso and he seems fine, really

[VOTE: drwilgy] aubergine


making an audible meh noise

nominally i don't really scumread the people voting mizery, the one i feel most uncertain about is...ender, i guess

but also it is my professed belief that wagon purity reads are bunk

Mizery wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 1:33 pm Does anyone remember why anyone is voting Dizzy

gavial is tunneling him for his own idiosyncratic reasns like dizzy jokingly voting falcon when he thought falcon was town. nanook is sheeping him, wisp says he agrees with the case which is a little and tesseppia is basically just doing a lazy nothing vote

none of it is that strong and i've already said i think it's fairly unlikely to be correct

Wisp wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 1:33 pm ill be disappointed if this is Luck/Wigly

lol

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 1:22 pm Sometimes I think maybe ill do a gimmicky alt but if anon games have taught me anything it's that I'm too easily recognizable for it to work

if you just change punctuation it blows peoples minds

i think the way drwilgy is behaving is scummy

i felt like the thing he had done early where he was digging into luckbox's posts and pointing out all his uncertain language was towny just because not sure many people go for that sort of linguistic-based read as scum but it's not, like, a super strong thing. some people have success with that sort of thing, never is something i can put my faith into though

beyond that there's not actually a lot to like from him

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 1:14 pm Lol killing mizery, really?

i feel shook

Wisp wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 1:07 pm actually I wont even argue that you solving is wolfy, cause I know you can do stuff
I just don't believe you are having "Fun", that's my biggest problem with your slot
plus you voting Gaviel is hella not townie despite what Gira might think of you going against the grain

which honestly starts leading me down rabbit holes that I don't want to go on day 1, because if any of the trains are wolves, and you are also wolf
I have 0 idea what the hell you are doing with your vote on a vanity wagon

anti-consensus reads are usually meh i just feel like for lime coke in particular he'd be unlikely to go against the grain in that way as mafia

sorry for the meta based read but to an extent any evaluation in a mafia game is going to be based on someones personality and how you think they would act in a given situation