The Syndicate

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 1:06 pm

Gira wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 1:03 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 12:52 pm I'm going to repeat this. I'm afraid we are rail roading towards a misyeet.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 12:33 pm Like don't get me wrong. I see a ton of fluffy fluff from Mizery which is off putting.

But I'd also expect a fluffy wolf to take the path of least resistance. Sheeping me while voting Luck would be that. Miz isn't sheeping me as far as I can tell.

Now, Gira, Luck, and Wiggin being on Mizery also has me deterred from this yeet. I think it's really easy to vote Mizery, scum would eat that for breakfast. This feels like low hanging fruit.

the strongest arument you have for her being town is "not sheeping you" on your vote which is really weaksauce

why are you exhibitig this level of concern for someone you barely have a read on based on their actual posts

Because this line feels incorrect. Do I need another reason?

Also how is that weak? What puts Mizery on Luck if they are scum?

why does it feel incorrect

what is fueling this conviction

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 12:52 pm I'm going to repeat this. I'm afraid we are rail roading towards a misyeet.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 12:33 pm Like don't get me wrong. I see a ton of fluffy fluff from Mizery which is off putting.

But I'd also expect a fluffy wolf to take the path of least resistance. Sheeping me while voting Luck would be that. Miz isn't sheeping me as far as I can tell.

Now, Gira, Luck, and Wiggin being on Mizery also has me deterred from this yeet. I think it's really easy to vote Mizery, scum would eat that for breakfast. This feels like low hanging fruit.

the strongest arument you have for her being town is "not sheeping you" on your vote which is really weaksauce

why are you exhibitig this level of concern for someone you barely have a read on based on their actual posts

i care basically not a white about meta i'm voting mizery because 1. i think dizzy is prob town so will vote a counterwagon to him 2. i haven't seen many posts from them that look like scumhunting

for day 1 i shrug my shoulders and go with that

was that post from mizery actually supposed to be a serious putdown on me

i thought it was a joke

Wisp wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 12:50 pm honestly in my travels across mafia sites, I have seen so many people write like that
and I will never understand what they are trying to accomplish with that kind of talk
maybe it makes them feel smart? who knows

do you think a post where i am openly claiming to be unable to make sense of an argument is me trying to feel smart?

Mizery wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 12:48 pm

Gira wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 12:48 pm the whole tango between wisp/luckbox about their read of wilgy is one of those things in a mafia game that i can't make any sense of

there's maybe something AI in it but it'd take a smarter person than me to tell you what it is

Nice read without making a read tbh

thanks

the whole tango between wisp/luckbox about their read of wilgy is one of those things in a mafia game that i can't make any sense of

there's maybe something AI in it but it'd take a smarter person than me to tell you what it is

the scope of the arguments taking place while i was catching up were such that a lot of it just left my head spinning

Wisp wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 12:27 pm @Gira
everyone is going to stress me out with these thoughts honestly
do you still believe Alison is a wolf?

not that strongly really no, i'm just petty


stylistically the way she's playing is a really easy way to play as scum but it doesn't necessarily make her scum, if i remove ego from she's closer to neutral

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Sep 29, 2021 12:19 pm Ughh... I'm like 250 posts behind and don't have time to critically think while reading due to work.

I just don't like either lead Wagons ATM. Someone give me a reason as to why I should vote between these two.

what do you dislike about the mizery votes

my general feeling w/r/t to dizzy is that as of his last spate of posting (before page 24) he was projecting unconfidence, and that'sa bad thing to do in mafia games as it gets you killed

and that is not something a competent scum player generally does, and i know he's coming off a strong win in fleabag (i have only read the very start of that game, might look at it sometime later to check my assumptions)

in general i felt like as he was catching up you could see the town reads and stances he had taken early begin to get clouded with doubt and i think that's towny

in general scum tend to take tactical stances and as he was catching up the early reads he had taken could have easily been firmed up into a way to position himself on something like the alison v. wisp dispute but instead he found himself more and more uncertain and i think that probably comes from a position of legitimately evaluating the game

i am not overly thrilled with any of the votes on him right now

him voting gavial is probably a towntell for him though

lime's reads list is underwhelming

on page 22 and have basically nothing to add

i have also regressed to my other bad habit of procrastinating when the game starts to feel like work

i may be unsalvageable

but i am here let me see what i can piece together

(don't have time to catch up for real right now, will do so later)

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 8:23 pm

Gira wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 11:08 am

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 8:49 am Nanook is town, I think as well,
His reads ring clear and true today,
Normal scum Nook will tell,
By playing coy with diplomay

so, like, notably as of this post nanook has given basically no serious reads whatsoever so this is a really weird read

Lmao.

Nanook has expressed in previous games that Gavial's constant requests for people to sheep him are bad for town.

His intentional "LET'S SHEEP GAV" feels like petty Nanook being Petty.

Which is unironically rand!v for him.

see, i lacked the context at the time i made that post, although now i get it

i'm still not sure that translates to being towny


and i'm not sure it lines up with your original reasoning

but meh

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 4:26 pm Since when did you town read Falcon btw?

i was relenting on the read last night (i indicated this in my sign off post where i said i didn't want to belabor arguing with him about his reaction to luckbox. alison took this as me continuing to sade him but it was the opposite), then this morning arguingwith him just kind of started to feel he wasn't scum

Wisp wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 4:17 pm It's funny how gira gets poked by Alison and votes her, but I ended up on the other side of the spectrum.

do you think this says anything meaningful about my alignment

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 4:07 pm

Gira wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 4:03 pm feeling, ah, less than thrilled with the stuff mizery is commenting on

Examples of this?

sorry about the reverse chronological order

last night the naked vote hopping and comments felt like there was some sign of thinking about the game, today it's...not looking to be doing much at all

i don't know if they're the type of player who tends to mostly be offtopic and fool around as town but in a vacuum it seems scummy

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 3:58 pm I don't feel like I have that person to bounce off of. @Gira Can you be that person? I don't know what I think about most things.

Also @EnderWiggin

hell, sure

i agree with your two big townreads so far, and i've been feeling good about you over these last few pages


this game is my re-acclimation to mafia, had to take a break because i was mentally fried (which i think was evident in SCI), but i don't have much stability still, i work better when i can act as a foil to someone

i only have about an hour before i have to dip for a while, but let's talk. give me some structure, give me something to work with

feeling, ah, less than thrilled with the stuff mizery is commenting on

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 2:51 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 1:30 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 10:27 am It's actually fucking atrocious that I show that Luckbox has no logical reason to be surprised by the Dizzy read on me and his response is "wolfy post really" rather than actually defending his point. There is zero reason for him to ever do that if he is town and I have enough respect for his town play that I'm not going to let that slide.

Gira is definitely a wolf, I'm just not sure whether his role card says it.

Alison. You're being quite bullheaded here.
I don't at all find it strange that Lucky reacts to my early clearing of you.
I don't really know why he has focused on it so much.
But I think it's a reasonable thing to question or take note of.
I do agree that our interaction in our previous game where we tunnelled each other as t/s shouldn't have much bearing on this game though.

No the atrocious thing was that I pressed him hard about the logic behind his thought process and he deflected. It is still atrocious and the only reason I am not pushing him is because I don't think he would act this way because of his meta.

what meta lol

Syn wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 2:28 pm @Miss Carousel has been replaced by @Lime Coke.

oh no


i mean it'll at least be someone easy to read but oh no

Mizery wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 2:08 pm i want to interact is there a way to make the site not dark theme it's- and i didn't think id' ever say this-

making it hard for me to read the thread

user control panel at the top > board preferences > my board style

however, the prosilver theme puts the avatars on the right and i found this to be incredibly distracting

Mizery wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 2:12 pm

Gira wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 2:11 pm

Mizery wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 2:05 pm So I read some of page 9 and walked away and was like "wouldn't Gira be trying to townread Alison if w/v with Alison" and then I walked away and came back and started typing "wouldn't Gira be trying to townread Alison if v/v with alison" so now I don't know which one i think

i'm not sure why you'd think either of those would be a more likely response from me to pressure?

my point was i don't know either

so what was the point, then? just to say "i don't know"?

Mizery wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 2:05 pm So I read some of page 9 and walked away and was like "wouldn't Gira be trying to townread Alison if w/v with Alison" and then I walked away and came back and started typing "wouldn't Gira be trying to townread Alison if v/v with alison" so now I don't know which one i think

i'm not sure why you'd think either of those would be a more likely response from me to pressure?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 1:40 pm Can we stop calling for policy chops please?

What are everyone's reads, and why? I'll get to mine in a second. I see a lot of "THIS IS IT" and not a lot of explanation.

Yes, I know I did exactly the same in the start, but to my defence, that is kind of how I get into the game.

noted, will tone it down

but past a point when i'm being tunneled i decide just want the other person off my back regardless


if i'm not being petty ender's read on nanook is probably scummier just because it feels like an evaluation not based on things observable in reality but right now i feel like being petty still

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 12:30 pm

Wisp wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 9:54 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 9:52 pm

Wisp wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 9:51 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 9:49 pm

Wisp wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 9:37 pm Why is it sus?
also ok boomer

Is it as cool to call people a boomer as it is to call them a snowflake?




Asking for a friend

do people actually still call others a snowflake?
asking for a friend

Funny, I had the same question about boomer

answer my question
also u say that so and so, should see you as town here, why?
idk peoples names and since this site brings up a new window, I don't feel like making a new tab to check
so my second question is, why? is your town and wolf game, so polarized, that your alignment is that obvious?
or am I am reading this the wrong way, because that doesn't seem like the sort of play style to be proud of

The pain of being pretty convinced Falcon is town, but this also looking exactly like the way he interacts with scummates and also just a way scum interact together in general

just convince yourself it must be NAI

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 11:24 am

Gira wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 11:15 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 11:07 am So who are your scum reads atm?

i'm voting alison. don't have strong suspicions otherwise. sorry if that's not good enough

Not sure if that last sentence is really necessary, do you?




I mean, for someone who talks about others being inhospitable, you sure seem fine tossing around your own lil comments, eh?




I'm not here to make the game unfriendly for anybody, and if I haven't come across as a friendly player, I apologize.




I'll give you some space, so you can do your thing.

lol i don't actually mean to come off as dismissive with that, though i can see why you'd take it that way, i was being cognizant that i'm not a fast starter, sorry if that seemed rude

Wisp wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:06 am

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:05 am

Wisp wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:00 am @Dyslexicon
Well that was an interesting jump in town from earlier, to your response to Seth

Who is Seth?

Well reading my post, town should have been tone, and Seth is Gaviel

seth as in seththeking/truesoulenergy? if so then he's obvious town

Wisp wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 11:13 am @gira
Do you play on DLP, btw?

i played one game there because voxx was advertising it in spec chat, wouldn't consider myself a regular, don't know the history there (did spectate the game you got executed day 1 in but that was because reg was playing it)

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 11:07 am So who are your scum reads atm?

i'm voting alison. don't have strong suspicions otherwise. sorry if that's not good enough

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 8:49 am Nanook is town, I think as well,
His reads ring clear and true today,
Normal scum Nook will tell,
By playing coy with diplomay

so, like, notably as of this post nanook has given basically no serious reads whatsoever so this is a really weird read

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 10:48 am

Gira wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 10:43 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 10:40 am

Gira wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 10:37 am what level of self-awareness are you on to look at the people who are not regulars on this website and decide "yes, these people are the ones who are most likely scum, this is fine process of elimination. i am in no way subject to cognitive biases in my thinking"

Who are you talking to with this post?




You feel you're being targeted because you're new to this site?




What level of self awareness are you on that you think you're being SR simply cyz you're new, and not based off your posts?

your whole POE is people who aren't regulars on the site

seems clear that you're just suspecting people off unfamiliarity while not wanting to vote those you know better

suggests a very biased way of thinking

I've played with Luck several times on this site, I don't consider him new.



As far as yourself & Wisp are concerned, are you gonna pretend I haven't given reasons as to why I'm SR you both?




If it's simply a case of "F the new guys", that's fairly myopic of me, don't ya think? Am I doing that as town, or as Maf in your opinion?

i mean, eah, i think it's myopic but i think you're doing it as town at this point

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 8:26 am The reason why Gira is outed is very simple. They don't believe in anything they say and are flatly and disinterestedly doing what they perceive a townie "should" be doing.

so, like, a post like this

what have i said that i "don't believe" and how do you draw that conclusion? of course i believe all the stuff i say, i'm town

but if you're generic aggro scum, this is the type of accusation you make against someone

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 10:45 am

Gira wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 10:41 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 10:37 am

Gira wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 10:35 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 10:34 am Gira/Wisp/Luck is a fine POE for this RD

genuinely embarrassing

For whom?



And why? I'm gonna assume you're saying you're town here but what about the other 2? What's your read on them and why?

liked luck early, still deciding on wisp, had some good vibes (the post about waiting for ender to drop the poetry so he could scum read him made me laugh), other stuff not sure about yet

What did you like about Luck early on?



As far as Wisp goes, you seem to be basing an unsure TR off him having a funny post.



So how do you scum hunt? Go after the players who don't make you laugh?




I mean you said the POE was genuinely embarrassing, so I thought you'd have a bit more substance to your thoughts as to why the players in it are town.

this is silly but early on, in the very first hour of the game, felt like he was antsy to get things going and slightly frustrated with the slow start where i'd expect scum in that situation to be more okay with just hanging back. that was slight but since then i've felt his posts have all been fine, nothing's struck me as bad

that's not all of what i liked about wisp but like, i felt like that post was a sentiment that felt more likely to come from town, i don't know how to explain it

like, a lot of his post so far have been null to me in that i'd expect him to have this blase attitude toward the early game as either alignment, approach to alison was a little weird but still digging into it. i vaguely remember liking some things he said but that was last night

most of what i feel so far is going off gut, i don't particularly have strong reads especially early day 1 (and i still consider this early). i mostly view people in a grey area until something moves me one way or the other, i won't town clear someone off flimsy reasoning


i don't need to have firm reads to see that there's a clear bias in the way you're thinking that is unlikely to yield success and is really inhospitable to deal with

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 10:43 am

Gira wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 10:40 am

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 10:37 am

Gira wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 10:35 am came here trying to rehab my town game because i've been unhappy with the way i'm playing, instead i'm going to go back to a primal state and just kill people who annoy me and notcare about trying to figure out if they're "genuine" or not

Yeah, let's all vote the people we're personally annoyed by rather than trying to figure out who's town and scum.

If I adopted your logic I would vote Gavial D1 every game.

well every read you've thrown out has been baseless trash so either you're scum or incredibly detrimental to the game so yeah, die

Let's set my read on you aside.

What's baseless about my push on Luck or Wisp or even Mizery earlier?

What's baseless about my clears on falcon, Gavial, Ender, Dizzy, Wilgy etc.?

Do you actually have issues with those reads that you can articulate or are you just making it up?

b/c your reads amount to "are saying thungs i agree with/disagree with"

like this is nothing, borderline tautological, "you are scum because you call towny posts scummy and scummy posts town", is that meant to be anything i can interface with in any way

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 10:40 am

Gira wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 10:37 am what level of self-awareness are you on to look at the people who are not regulars on this website and decide "yes, these people are the ones who are most likely scum, this is fine process of elimination. i am in no way subject to cognitive biases in my thinking"

Who are you talking to with this post?




You feel you're being targeted because you're new to this site?




What level of self awareness are you on that you think you're being SR simply cyz you're new, and not based off your posts?

your whole POE is people who aren't regulars on the site

seems clear that you're just suspecting people off unfamiliarity while not wanting to vote those you know better

suggests a very biased way of thinking

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 10:37 am

Gira wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 10:35 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 10:34 am Gira/Wisp/Luck is a fine POE for this RD

genuinely embarrassing

For whom?



And why? I'm gonna assume you're saying you're town here but what about the other 2? What's your read on them and why?

liked luck early, still deciding on wisp, had some good vibes (the post about waiting for ender to drop the poetry so he could scum read him made me laugh), other stuff not sure about yet

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 10:37 am

Gira wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 10:35 am came here trying to rehab my town game because i've been unhappy with the way i'm playing, instead i'm going to go back to a primal state and just kill people who annoy me and notcare about trying to figure out if they're "genuine" or not

Yeah, let's all vote the people we're personally annoyed by rather than trying to figure out who's town and scum.

If I adopted your logic I would vote Gavial D1 every game.

well every read you've thrown out has been baseless trash so either you're scum or incredibly detrimental to the game so yeah, die

what level of self-awareness are you on to look at the people who are not regulars on this website and decide "yes, these people are the ones who are most likely scum, this is fine process of elimination. i am in no way subject to cognitive biases in my thinking"

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 10:34 am Gira/Wisp/Luck is a fine POE for this RD

genuinely embarrassing

came here trying to rehab my town game because i've been unhappy with the way i'm playing, instead i'm going to go back to a primal state and just kill people who annoy me and notcare about trying to figure out if they're "genuine" or not

i have no intention to prove my innocence to you because you're either scum or someone who should be policy killed for the way you're playing

my instinct is that you're looking at my posting and in attempting to emulate a town mindset you're seeing it as "not solving", it's the type of read i try to push on people as scum because there's nothing to it and you can convince yourself you'd really believe it, but there's no thinking, no actual analysis

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 10:28 am

Gira wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 10:27 am

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 10:25 am

Gira wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 10:23 am

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 6:03 am

Gira wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 12:57 am you believe this is a good town indicator off a single post townreading someone on early day 1? that seems like a post it'd take ~no effort to fake

Yes and you are mad because you are wolf and don't want townies finding each other.

you are incredibly tedious

You don't have a leg to stand on, you haven't done any solving apart from questioning falcon, and all you've done is flatly assert that I'm wrong to scumread you.

The only chance in hell you have of being town is if Wisp TMI'd you. Even in that world you are -EV for town.

yeah nah you're grandstanding scum who's attempting to tee me up, wasn't sure on this but i'm calling bs at this point, "not solcing" is a generic trash read, go die

[VOTE: Alison] aubergine

Oh yeah?

Show me one post you've done solving in.

Go on.

https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/searc ... 0&sr=posts

i mean if i felt like just making baseless unsupported statements with full overconfidence to pretend like i was doing things like you are i could, but i'm not

alison is such generic aggro scum

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 10:25 am

Gira wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 10:23 am

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 6:03 am

Gira wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 12:57 am you believe this is a good town indicator off a single post townreading someone on early day 1? that seems like a post it'd take ~no effort to fake

Yes and you are mad because you are wolf and don't want townies finding each other.

you are incredibly tedious

You don't have a leg to stand on, you haven't done any solving apart from questioning falcon, and all you've done is flatly assert that I'm wrong to scumread you.

The only chance in hell you have of being town is if Wisp TMI'd you. Even in that world you are -EV for town.

yeah nah you're grandstanding scum who's attempting to tee me up, wasn't sure on this but i'm calling bs at this point, "not solcing" is a generic trash read, go die

[VOTE: Alison] aubergine

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 6:04 am I like how every single person I suspected early has been making nonsensical votes for nonsensical reasoning. I'm down to just kill all of Gira/Wisp/Luckbox/Mizery and if there isn't 2+ scum in there y'all can vote me off.

rather just kill you now tbqh because you're scum or obnoxious and unproductive