The Syndicate

alexa wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 6:11 pm @Master Radishes do you have any spicy wolf reads?

Clearly at least one

Wilgy wagon after Dizzy flip seems slightly dumb

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 6:20 pm c4e5g3e5 is giving me the confidence I lack and am almost tempted to sheep him, but I feel like a wolf would know confidence is persuasive and would act confident themselves.

Why yes I would

Sadly you're only gonna get confidence on a few small things at a time from me so probably not great to sleep me if you're looking for """"the answers""""

Sheep* obviously

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 6:25 pm DrWilgy
Voters: 112, alexa, sabie12, dyachei, Paopan, LinearPoint, hollowkatt, Creature, TonyStarkPrime

Pros:
- Has dyachei
- Resolves EOD1 wagons

Cons:
- Some wolfy names (112, sabie12, hollowkatt, TonyStarkPrime)
- Wagon is too big

Cons should also include Dizzy clearly not giving a shit who died EoD1

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 6:30 pm sabie12
Voters: DrWilgy, LinearPoint, Paopan, Creature, alexa, c4e5g3d5, Master Radishes, TonyStarkPrime

Pros:
- sabie12 is unreadable and potentially wolf
- Has c4e5g3d5

Cons:
- Some wolf names but meh

Ftr it's a shrug vote so don't treat it as, like, a shining beacon of my accuracy

Nor should most of my votes be considered particularly accurate except for a couple recent games that I'm really hoping weren't just lucky

[VOTE: Master Radishes] aubergine

Shep was the real champ

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 6:45 pm We'll likely see wolves getting 5 or more kills in a single night due claims

Have long accepted that it's probably just a loss

Obv still try to do as well as possible

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 7:00 pm Guillotine looks wolfy. What's there going for them?

Mech from alexa

Also have found him towny but apparently people who just saw him wolf don't agree so eh

alexa wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 7:21 pm [VOTE: MAC JPIC 112 LP] aubergine

not really committed to any of these but this is the best i got for my votes so far based on my reads outside. i think dizzy spewed sloonei town

I think Dizzy's treatment of Sloon was explicitly bad for Sloon
"Oh look, one tiny detail I can latch onto that both protects Sloon and lets me ignore Sloon for the rest of the day"

Okay apparently I forgot about the first post Dizzy made about Sloon whoops

All the others still look bad but reconsidering

I'm probably misclearing a ton of wolves and proud tbh

Phil and Gloria wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 8:14 pm 112
alexa
belzy
c4
dya
falcon
ilario
radishes
porscha
sloonei
me

towns

checking who outside this list is voting for people inside it

112 has creature, tsp, guillo, wilgy voting for them
c4 has paopan, linearpoint and wilgy (2)
falcon has guillo (2), linearpoint (2)
radishes has hollowkatt
i have guillo (3), linearpoint (3) and wilgy (3)
sloonei has hollowkatt (2)

players outside of my townreads that are not voting anyone inside of my townreads = tonystarkprime, justplayingitcool and sabie12 (not voting at all) and sig (not voting at all)

upper poe

tsp
jpic

lower poe

sabie
sig
hollokwatt
linearpoint
wilgy
guillo

Where Pao tho

If I don't think of votes I'll probably just say "How the actual fuck does _____ have fewer votes than _____ people?!"
Seems easier than just picking votes

Only problem is that would put me way over 8 at this rate

I've sacrificed a bunch of townreads.

Apparently I'm sheeping Mac.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 4:18 pm I promised to talk some more about my c4 suspicion. It seems he has gained sufficient momentum since last night anyway, but I will still dump my thoughts into the thread.

Something that I feel is sometimes true about mafia members is that they struggle to actively pursue suspicions. It is one thing to name suspects and place votes, but it is another to flesh out reads and have them develop in real time. Making up fake arguments about a person about why they are lying when you know that they are not can be a difficult thing to do, especially when the person you are targeting is capable of being more vocal than you about it. The result is a bunch of stagnant suspicions that fail to take off, with more energy spent arguing (truthfully) about why certain players are town instead of mafia.

I think I see this trend playing out in c4's posts. Observe:
Spoiler: show
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 7:53 pm [VOTE: Creature] aubergine

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:23 pm The fact that Creature can only bring himself to talk about one thing so far is wolfy.

The fact that he's clearly beenfollowing along live for a reasonable amount of time given how quickly he voted nut makes it wolfier.

The fact that it's a piece of mechanical information also makes it wolfier.

The fact that it's an obviously fake redcheck also makes it wolfier.

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:39 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:34 pm Is soup kill a thing?
Derp denied
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 9:05 pm @Sloonei post

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:20 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 11:14 pm I feel like I shouldn't be the one towncasing myself
Then lemme do it

Creature's strings of posts of talking to himself came off as pure and more drawn out than w!Creature would bother with

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 5:04 pm
Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 5:03 pm
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 5:00 pm [VOTE: Porscha] aubergine

Sup
hey gamer what's poppin
You feel wolfy from a glance

Are you a wolf?
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 8:12 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 8:10 pm C4, shoot:

Scotty (scummy)

Bo (as KZA wanted)

or

Wilgy (as he requested)
Could totally shoot Scotty

Bo seems to be genuinely enjoying himself and is decently polarized but since both of you know him better do you have specific insights?

Wilgy lolno

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 8:26 pm Yeah Mac isn't towny lul

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 9:19 pm Ender townreaders talk to me about Ender pls

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 9:30 pm [VOTE: Sloonei] aubergine

Where's that spark I saw in RYM 96

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 9:46 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 9:44 pm i think paopan may be town rn based on his response and my spiritual vote is not on him, just haven't figured out where to go yet

@dyachei what's your read on me rn?
I have an idea of where you can go

Were you paying attention to Sloonei's posting in RYM perchance? It was miles townier than this even with low engagement.
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 11:59 pm I'm very tempted to just shoot Sloon
Etc.
C4's most substantive Day 1 posts are an exchange with Porscha that lists reasons to suspect her, but never develops in any meaningful way. The rest of c4's Day 1 feels like aimless prodding and asking for direction on who to shoot. I am lacking the full context leading up to his decision to shoot Bo, but based on c4's posts alone I do not find his process to be all that convincing.
The suspects c4 does prod for most of Day 1 are easy options. He starts with Creature, whose playstyle invites suspicion, especially early on. Then he shifts to Porscha, an unfamiliar face with light activity. Then he spends a few posts prodding me with no direction because of my absence/lack of spark. But c4 never actually put real pressure on me. He demanded that I post and then didn't have anything to say to me when I did.

Compare all of this to the amount of time and energy c4 puts into townreading people on Day 1. I am having trouble finding any evidence that he is making a sincere effort to uncover suspects. He steps in to declare town reads every once in a while, and then gropes around listlessly at potential suspects. I'm uninspired by all of this. If c4 is town, I need to see him demonstrate that he is actually trying to develop reads on players.

Finally gonna properly cover this thing.

The actual point you're making and how you're landing at the expectations you have are beyond me.

In terms of the specific pushes you describe,

The Porscha push developed into exactly what it was meant to develop into, which was a wolf read and push, and saying otherwise just looks like word salad. It was literally "this is why Porscha is a wolf" followed by voting Porscha followed by asking people to vote Porscha followed by getting people to vote Porscha. I'm stunned that I have to explain this.
Creature, sure, but we can agree that doesn't mean much on its own.
My push on you was not to pressure you. I voted you and called you a wolf because I thought you were a wolf. Extrapolating more and then saying "But why didn't c4 follow my manual on pressuring players in order to pressure this player he wasn't trying to pressure?" is just disingenuous.

It is true of me in general that I townread more people than I scumread, and villagers have pushed me plenty for it historically, but like, what the fuck is this? Was there a word minimum you were shooting for here or something? It's like every time you almost say a reason I'm a wolf, you stumble, then say, "Hm, I don't know what to write here. Let me add the nearest objective observation and word it dramatically."

Regretting saying this in some amount because your posting has improved a lot and I think you're town.

Ftr both the Creature and Porscha pushes were out of my wolf range unless they're wolves, which they aren't, but I know that will convince nobody

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 9:26 pm I don't get the 112 townreads

Dizzy flipped wolf

Creature do you disagree with that unalign in particular

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 9:28 pm I am not responding to c4's response to my case because I do not feel like it would be constructive.

Do you believe it y/n

You can forego any and all details to avoid anything messy

Ftr @alexa Sloonei is currently doing the things I townread him for in RYM 96

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 9:31 pm
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 9:26 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Tue Feb 01, 2022 9:26 pm I don't get the 112 townreads
Dizzy flipped wolf
112 pushing a flipped wolf is NAI for her

Particular way their argument went looked not w/w

I can't normally win domes, but can I win an 8-way dome?

[VOTE: hollowkatt] aubergine

Holy shit I get to do this and still have been basically right on hk again, win/win

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 1:43 pm
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 1:41 pm I can't normally win domes, but can I win an 8-way dome?
Town it up in this game

I believe in you

Lol hopefully

Still feel queasy about voting Wilgy with Dizzy not giving half a fuck about EoD1 and going right back to railroading Wilgy D2

Tabbing out of Dobbrus to say hi

I tried to PoE out my votes and just got annoyed so eh

Do I have to sort you gremlins, like, tournament style

This is a mechanic from a tournament style game after all

112 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 6:52 pm how about this: i am scumreading you because your full assessment of yourself at this point in the game is that you're regularly engaging in the thread and answering questions; it's inadequate and someone who is town should be able to offer more details about their game and participation that reflect well on them.

This is dumb

112 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 6:59 pm
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 6:59 pm
112 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 6:52 pm how about this: i am scumreading you because your full assessment of yourself at this point in the game is that you're regularly engaging in the thread and answering questions; it's inadequate and someone who is town should be able to offer more details about their game and participation that reflect well on them.
This is dumb
Prove it.

I mean it's not exactly a convenient thing to prove per se but

One of my least favorite things in games of mafia is when people ask me to say what makes me town and I can't answer because I've been paying attention to, you know, the rest of the list all game like I should be, and figuring out why I'm towny is supposed to be everyone else's job anyway, and then people go "Where's your answer? Hmm? HMMMM?" and then I get MLed.

I don't get why it exists and is excused and it's usually done by wolves but when it isn't it's especially annoying.

112 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 7:08 pm
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 7:05 pm
112 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 6:59 pm
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 6:59 pm
112 wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 6:52 pm how about this: i am scumreading you because your full assessment of yourself at this point in the game is that you're regularly engaging in the thread and answering questions; it's inadequate and someone who is town should be able to offer more details about their game and participation that reflect well on them.
This is dumb
Prove it.
I mean it's not exactly a convenient thing to prove per se but

One of my least favorite things in games of mafia is when people ask me to say what makes me town and I can't answer because I've been paying attention to, you know, the rest of the list all game like I should be, and figuring out why I'm towny is supposed to be everyone else's job anyway, and then people go "Where's your answer? Hmm? HMMMM?" and then I get MLed.

I don't get why it exists and is excused and it's usually done by wolves but when it isn't it's especially annoying.
fair but i'm not sure you get why i'm engaging with falcon and why i'm engaging the way i am

That's because I don't
Either because it doesn't make sense or because I actually have to read all of it for it to make sense

But your point independently doesn't make sense and it doesn't look like something I should need to read associated materials for because it's a blanket statement about the game

Creature wrote: ↑Wed Feb 02, 2022 7:16 pm tbh only the following:

112
c4e5g3d5
DrWilgy
hollowkatt
TonyStarkPrime

could be useful to lynch

I won't go today one way or another so I guess that narrows it down

spf says my Jpic read is right regardless of my alignment
spf also said I had deepwolf potential in the poisoner game tho
So idk

I wish the thread was this slow when I'm not around

c4e5g3d5
6
9%
Voters: Phil and Gloria, sig, TonyStarkPrime, Sloonei, Belzy, LinearPoint
DrWilgy
8
13%
Voters: alexa, TonyStarkPrime, dyachei, hollowkatt, 112, Creature, sabie12, Paopan

I'm not actually supposed to get anything out of reading this argument right

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 12:55 pm why is sloonei town again

Sloon's posting has improved
More of the keeping the thread productive stuff that signals v!Sloon, like how quickly he switches between different unrelated topics without prompting, also Mac says so

A shitpost a day makes the endless never-resolving arguments go away

alexa wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 1:20 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 1:17 pm tbh I'm half tempted to just delete this game from existence if we fail to hit any wolf today
tbh i don't understand why you're so stressed rn

we are objectively in a fine spot and i'd be surprised if we didn't hit at least a couple wolves

We're stressed because soup

alexa wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 1:26 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 1:24 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 1:23 pm
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 1:22 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 1:20 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 1:17 pm tbh I'm half tempted to just delete this game from existence if we fail to hit any wolf today
tbh i don't understand why you're so stressed rn

we are objectively in a fine spot and i'd be surprised if we didn't hit at least a couple wolves
We're stressed because soup
i'm worried about that but i don't think there's been many hard role claims
Maybe a softclaim is enough?
"reasonably close and unambiguous"

and if they mess up one of them then the captain gets revealed

Yeah but they still take out the handful of most obvious ones first

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 1:30 pm do i dare believe that derp

I mean she's town anyway

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 1:35 pm
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 1:33 pm
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 1:30 pm do i dare believe that derp
I mean she's town anyway
Im talking about guil not knowing about poetry

Oh.

I can believe it but the problem with so many derps like this is why is that even an alignment derp?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 2:07 pm [VOTE: unvote c4, vote sig] aubergine

Feels like a safer play on a day where we’re killing a bunch of people

My posts or something else?

I started reading this page and regretted it immediately

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 6:01 pm I have 2 more votes, someone at random tell me arguments for C4, TSP, and Guillo.

c4 is >rand v IMO

Serious take is reading bits of the arguments over the last few pages makes me think Guillo isn't the way to go
It's basically all wack but it's a really nuanced kind of wack

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 6:05 pm
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 6:04 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 6:01 pm I have 2 more votes, someone at random tell me arguments for C4, TSP, and Guillo.
c4 is >rand v IMO

Serious take is reading bits of the arguments over the last few pages makes me think Guillo isn't the way to go
It's basically all wack but it's a really nuanced kind of wack
Would this nuanced wack be rand v or agenda-y for Guillo?

IME when Guillo's posting with an agenda it's completely shameless
I imagine he could mix it up but not feeling it here, here it seems like he's genuinely thinking hard about these things

Belzy wrote: ↑Thu Feb 03, 2022 6:11 pm Once we start with d3, i want everyone to think in the meantime how we can unite better as town.

In DVC

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