The Syndicate

mansnicks wrote: ↑Mon Mar 15, 2021 5:04 pm
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 15, 2021 5:00 pm
mansnicks wrote: ↑Mon Mar 15, 2021 4:55 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Mar 15, 2021 3:54 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Mar 15, 2021 3:52 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Mar 15, 2021 3:50 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Mar 15, 2021 3:44 pm

the links were to games off site
No, both Martin and LC gave links to 5 games on Syndicate. Thats 10 games minimum that were Syndicate games
oh. Well he's only looked at c4's at least based on what he's said in thread. So idk why he couldn't ask for ISOs
I guess I just think he's more clever than he's letting on
This isn't scum hunting.
If people could start making effort towards adding content to the thread instead of waiting for someone to tickle their balls, that'd be great.
You first. Reads.
#273
You're welcome.
Still hoping for a confirmation on Alison's town range.

Any others? Quin and I both have a good amount of reading material.

mansnicks wrote: ↑Mon Mar 15, 2021 4:55 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Mar 15, 2021 3:54 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Mar 15, 2021 3:52 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Mar 15, 2021 3:50 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Mar 15, 2021 3:44 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Mar 15, 2021 3:42 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Mar 15, 2021 3:36 pm

can you actually explain this
How many games from how many players were posted for him to peruse? Quite a few. And then he asks afterwards how to ISO? Yeah, not buying it
the links were to games off site
No, both Martin and LC gave links to 5 games on Syndicate. Thats 10 games minimum that were Syndicate games
oh. Well he's only looked at c4's at least based on what he's said in thread. So idk why he couldn't ask for ISOs
I guess I just think he's more clever than he's letting on
This isn't scum hunting.
If people could start making effort towards adding content to the thread instead of waiting for someone to tickle their balls, that'd be great.

You first. Reads.

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Mar 15, 2021 3:52 pm
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 15, 2021 3:50 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Mar 15, 2021 3:48 pm why am I your top town there? you don't fear me?
ms is top town.
oh I forgot that's what ms is

Why am I so town read by you? you don't fear me?

Pro-town is enough for me for now.

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Mar 15, 2021 3:48 pm why am I your top town there? you don't fear me?

ms is top town.

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Mar 15, 2021 3:48 pm you don't have any scum reads?

Nope.

ms

Esooa
Quin

Alison

The rest

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Mar 15, 2021 3:44 pm
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 15, 2021 11:04 am @Quin talk to me about Esooa. She seems towny for all the standard reasons but nothing that would give me any kind of confidence.
why make this post?

Boredom and you have posts

Do me

No fair I never get to kill the thread. Someone always has to killsteal.

mansnicks wrote: ↑Mon Mar 15, 2021 11:58 am
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 15, 2021 11:56 am Someone familiar with SC2 mafia address Alison's concerns about whether ms's derp makes sense. Guess that would mean @MartinGG99.
im from sc2mafia
what concerns and who's ms?

Alison said that you should be aware that flavorclaiming can't break the game if you're experienced. I said it depends on what your experience looks like. Hence this question.

Someone familiar with SC2 mafia address Alison's concerns about whether ms's derp makes sense. Guess that would mean @MartinGG99.

mansnicks wrote: ↑Mon Mar 15, 2021 11:37 am I remember c4e5g3d5 talked about some AlphaZero opening in one of his MU games - but that can't be it, can it?

Holy shit you really did read them

AlphaZero is a Google-developed neural network made to play various games, chess included. It's the strongest chess engine in existence. 1. c4 e5 2. g3 d5 3. cxd5 Nf6 4. Bg2 Nxd5 5. Nc3 is its favorite opening. Don't know why I thought it would be a good username on one site let alone multiple but sunk cost fallacy.

Also lmao you don't need to type the whole thing out every time you can just say c4 or smth

mansnicks wrote: ↑Mon Mar 15, 2021 11:31 am From the 5 MU games you provided, 1 is turbo 1 is hydra 1 is Ultra-Low Postcount Game.
I glanced over the other 2, though they were in November which isn't as recent as I'd have hoped. Disappointingly, neither of them are really that similar to your this game as I would've hoped for, while being similar between themselves. For example, in neither game you had or defended a strong townread like you do me this game. One game have to scroll far before first townread, the other has much more soft and much more rare.
Additionally, you were much more critical towards other players and more pushy than here atm.

That's not to say that I don't think you're playing in your town range here, as it's close enough. But I just had hoped I could be more sure about you after comparing them to you in this game.

On one hand, holy shit you actually read them. I'm probably going to townread you for the foreseeable future just for that.

On the other hand, my townreads here are nowhere near as strong as in that November game lolwut

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Mar 15, 2021 11:18 am and falcon. i really wanna know what you think of falcon.

Annoying but all I have on him so far is a playstyle conflict. Hard null.

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Mar 15, 2021 11:17 am what do you think of me, c4?

Kinda similar to Esooa placement-wise, doesn't really feel like you've said anything you didn't have to yet though. You're not on my D1 list in any case.

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Mar 15, 2021 11:07 am
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 15, 2021 11:04 am @Quin talk to me about Esooa. She seems towny for all the standard reasons but nothing that would give me any kind of confidence.
is seeming towny for standard reasons not enough to view her as town?

If she did something reasonably scummy right now, my townread on her would melt before my eyes, so no.

@Quin talk to me about Esooa. She seems towny for all the standard reasons but nothing that would give me any kind of confidence.

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Mar 15, 2021 10:50 am i'm quin.

Wait rly

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Mar 15, 2021 10:19 am
Quin wrote: ↑Mon Mar 15, 2021 10:18 am mansnacks is town because derp.

c4 and esooa are both scum because they interacted for an entire page and it bored me.

alison is scum because i'm a basic bitch bee and her role took 150 words to explain and she doesn't think that warrants her to pay attention to the thread.
it's mountainous bronana

@Quin

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Mar 15, 2021 10:43 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Mar 15, 2021 10:27 am
Quin wrote: ↑Mon Mar 15, 2021 10:23 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 6:18 pm c4 can have a town read, as a year

Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 6:18 pmtreat
i'll give you a treat if you explain this read properly.
He seemed genuinely trying to figure out who was derp clearing and just handing out town reads to multiple people in a way I don't think scum him would be
i don't know why he thinks i was going for the derp clear. i wasn't going for the derp clear.

Your Alison read

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Mar 15, 2021 10:38 am
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 8:27 pm
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 8:18 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 8:13 pm
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 8:02 pm The way Alison keeps latching onto minutiae looks like a townie looking for an easy answer too soon more than actually trying to push an agenda, think it's a good look. Someone familiar with Alison tell me if this is AI.
I'm sure Alison having you as her strongest town read doesn't hurt either, m'iright?
Can you just... take a moment to write one actual read
Rome wasn't built in a day.
you are not rome.

reads please.

Likewise when you're done.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Mar 15, 2021 10:23 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Mar 15, 2021 10:07 am I think I know why NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME (my phone for some reason auto fills your name to this lol) is wanting to tunnel me and if I'm correct he's probably town
Cryptic and overly vague statements like this are >rand scummy

No they aren't

Wait what's the probability that there's actually a wolf here trying to fake derp

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Mar 15, 2021 10:22 am
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 15, 2021 10:17 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Mar 15, 2021 10:16 am
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 15, 2021 10:11 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Mar 15, 2021 10:09 am
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 15, 2021 10:09 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Mar 15, 2021 10:07 am I think I know why NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME (my phone for some reason auto fills your name to this lol) is wanting to tunnel me and if I'm correct he's probably town
This post gets a level -1 townread.
why
Because I'm assuming that the reason actually exists and you actually thought of it.
I find it weird that the English Opening is less concerned with what the reason is, and more concerned with giving out a scumread over a reason they haven't heard yet.
I find the MS Paint sketch's reading comprehension questionable.
Care to elaborate?

I find it questionable that the MS Paint sketch conflated "townread" with its sole antonym.

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Mar 15, 2021 10:18 am alison is scum because i'm a basic bitch bee and her role took 150 words to explain and she doesn't think that warrants her to pay attention to the thread.

So many people trying so hard to derp. One per game allowed, sorry no.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon Mar 15, 2021 10:16 am
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 15, 2021 10:11 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Mar 15, 2021 10:09 am
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 15, 2021 10:09 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Mar 15, 2021 10:07 am I think I know why NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME (my phone for some reason auto fills your name to this lol) is wanting to tunnel me and if I'm correct he's probably town
This post gets a level -1 townread.
why
Because I'm assuming that the reason actually exists and you actually thought of it.
I find it weird that the English Opening is less concerned with what the reason is, and more concerned with giving out a scumread over a reason they haven't heard yet.

I find the MS Paint sketch's reading comprehension questionable.

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Mar 15, 2021 10:09 am
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Mon Mar 15, 2021 10:09 am
Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Mar 15, 2021 10:07 am I think I know why NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME (my phone for some reason auto fills your name to this lol) is wanting to tunnel me and if I'm correct he's probably town
This post gets a level -1 townread.
why

Because I'm assuming that the reason actually exists and you actually thought of it.

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Mar 15, 2021 10:07 am I think I know why NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME (my phone for some reason auto fills your name to this lol) is wanting to tunnel me and if I'm correct he's probably town

This post gets a level -1 townread.

falcon's play is still annoying the hell out of me, but his reaction makes it frustratingly NAI. [VOTE: nobody] aubergine

Puts me at

ms

Esooa
Alison

Everyone else

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 8:02 pm The way Alison keeps latching onto minutiae looks like a townie looking for an easy answer too soon more than actually trying to push an agenda, think it's a good look. Someone familiar with Alison tell me if this is AI.

In case it got buried, still hoping for something on this.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 8:40 pm
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 8:34 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 8:32 pm
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 8:28 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 8:27 pm
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 8:18 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 8:13 pm

I'm sure Alison having you as her strongest town read doesn't hurt either, m'iright?
Can you just... take a moment to write one actual read
Rome wasn't built in a day.
I get not rushing but using your time here on buckets of shade instead is just bad.
Buckets of shade, eh? I see you're prone to exaggeration.
Your only non-shade post is your first.
Rome wasn't built in a day was a shade post? Pocket denied Esooa is a shade post? Calling you out for exaggeration is a shade post?

Is this a shade post too?

No, yes, yes, no.

Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 8:33 pm what do people think of seanzies check in?

Wait Seanzie checked in

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 8:32 pm
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 8:28 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 8:27 pm
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 8:18 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 8:13 pm
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 8:02 pm The way Alison keeps latching onto minutiae looks like a townie looking for an easy answer too soon more than actually trying to push an agenda, think it's a good look. Someone familiar with Alison tell me if this is AI.
I'm sure Alison having you as her strongest town read doesn't hurt either, m'iright?
Can you just... take a moment to write one actual read
Rome wasn't built in a day.
I get not rushing but using your time here on buckets of shade instead is just bad.
Buckets of shade, eh? I see you're prone to exaggeration.

Your only non-shade post is your first.

Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 8:28 pm
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 8:27 pm @falcon45ca please for the love of all things good put the shade down for two seconds an actually say one fucking read

[VOTE: falcon45ca] aubergine

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 8:11 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 8:11 pm for some reason people always ask what do I mean by approach

you've previously expressed stuff like not being listened to as much as you want, wondering why you're scum read so much as town, etc

is there any particular way you're trying to navigate this game to address those?
Yes, calm tf down
bump. lol

Oops

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 8:27 pm
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 8:18 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 8:13 pm
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 8:02 pm The way Alison keeps latching onto minutiae looks like a townie looking for an easy answer too soon more than actually trying to push an agenda, think it's a good look. Someone familiar with Alison tell me if this is AI.
I'm sure Alison having you as her strongest town read doesn't hurt either, m'iright?
Can you just... take a moment to write one actual read
Rome wasn't built in a day.

I get not rushing but using your time here on buckets of shade instead is just bad.

@falcon45ca please for the love of all things good put the shade down for two seconds an actually say one fucking read

[VOTE: falcon45ca] aubergine

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 8:13 pm
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 8:02 pm The way Alison keeps latching onto minutiae looks like a townie looking for an easy answer too soon more than actually trying to push an agenda, think it's a good look. Someone familiar with Alison tell me if this is AI.
I'm sure Alison having you as her strongest town read doesn't hurt either, m'iright?

Can you just... take a moment to write one actual read

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 8:11 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 8:11 pm for some reason people always ask what do I mean by approach

you've previously expressed stuff like not being listened to as much as you want, wondering why you're scum read so much as town, etc

is there any particular way you're trying to navigate this game to address those?
Yes, calm tf down

As in that's my approach not me telling you to

Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 8:11 pm for some reason people always ask what do I mean by approach

you've previously expressed stuff like not being listened to as much as you want, wondering why you're scum read so much as town, etc

is there any particular way you're trying to navigate this game to address those?

Yes, calm tf down

Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 8:08 pm c4 what's your approach to this game? Also, do you like playing scum?

Approach: say stuff, do stuff, repeat
As I said, my last scum game is ancient, so I probably can't answer that second one accurately, but I had lots of fun in my scum game so I'll say yes for now.

The way Alison keeps latching onto minutiae looks like a townie looking for an easy answer too soon more than actually trying to push an agenda, think it's a good look. Someone familiar with Alison tell me if this is AI.

Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 7:55 pm
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 7:53 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 7:29 pm c4 have I pocketed you yet
Obviously

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 7:54 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 7:38 pm I'm going to write a progression case on why c4 is town to pocket him
Don't care that this is a joke, pocket preemptively denied.
wolfy inconsistency

No, you see, I'm denying future pockets. You've still past pocketed me.

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 7:51 pm
mansnicks wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 7:05 pm @Alison
Did you understand why I said "LHF" in italics now? To describe what I thought was Esooa's thoughts proces in their decision making?
This is what caught my eye in particular. So oddly specific that he thought the fact that he put LHF in italics would make that meaning clear. So oddly specific that I think he actually thought that meaning was clear. Obviously it's still a thought he could have and try to say as scum, but this post makes me think that in general he's trying and failing to communicate effectively which is probably towny for reasons that I refuse to put effort into finding rn.

Damnit I put effort into it. It's just... the fact that he thought he could put something in italics to say it was a thought and have everyone understand where he's coming from... is really naive and really pure. Makes me think the rest of his solving is real.

Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 7:38 pm I'm going to write a progression case on why c4 is town to pocket him

Don't care that this is a joke, pocket preemptively denied.

Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 7:29 pm c4 have I pocketed you yet

Obviously

mansnicks wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 7:05 pm @Alison
Did you understand why I said "LHF" in italics now? To describe what I thought was Esooa's thoughts proces in their decision making?

This is what caught my eye in particular. So oddly specific that he thought the fact that he put LHF in italics would make that meaning clear. So oddly specific that I think he actually thought that meaning was clear. Obviously it's still a thought he could have and try to say as scum, but this post makes me think that in general he's trying and failing to communicate effectively which is probably towny for reasons that I refuse to put effort into finding rn.

mansnicks wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 6:57 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 6:47 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 6:43 pm Alison what exactly is your read on mansnicks
My read is that trying to clear someone for knowing that the town are bees is something that you'd probably do if you were very new to FM, especially if you came from a site meta where "quote your role card" is a legitimate solving strategy (thinking of Among Us and naming common tasks, etc.). I think after 3 or 4 games there's no longer any question that you'd realize why it was wrong, especially since you'd be playing those games with other players and they'd instruct you that those strategies are incorrect.

Hence my comment that if mansnicks played 1-2 FM games in the past they're probably town and if they played more than a few FM games they're scum trying to fake the derptell behavior that probably got them townread in their first few games.
And the funny thing is, it wasn't even that much of a joke but an actual thought.

Marking this to decide later if it's AI or not.

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 6:47 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 6:43 pm Alison what exactly is your read on mansnicks
My read is that trying to clear someone for knowing that the town are bees is something that you'd probably do if you were very new to FM, especially if you came from a site meta where "quote your role card" is a legitimate solving strategy (thinking of Among Us and naming common tasks, etc.). I think after 3 or 4 games there's no longer any question that you'd realize why it was wrong, especially since you'd be playing those games with other players and they'd instruct you that those strategies are incorrect.

Hence my comment that if mansnicks played 1-2 FM games in the past they're probably town and if they played more than a few FM games they're scum trying to fake the derptell behavior that probably got them townread in their first few games.

Plenty of places where there isn't actual flavor. Plenty of places where here is flavor but claiming it is outright banned (source: my home site). Still obviously depends on what we see when he shares meta but bad read. Inclined to think it's a tunnel read tho.

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 6:45 pm My strongest townread is actually on c4 because he's a little skeptical of the mansnicks push but doesn't try to defend mansnicks. Skepticism = paranoia, no defense = no agenda (either way), and I think it's a flavor combination that's not trivial to fake.

I refuse to be pocketed by such a weak read. It is trivial to fake, it's called hedging.

mansnicks wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 6:43 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 6:39 pm falcon lc town lean
Why?

You should at least say if it's a quick throw-away gut read, or metaread, or there's an actual reasoning behind it.
You had no trouble giving plenty of explanation towards scumreading a LHF, yet when it comes to townreading the, presumably, better players... what even is that?

Fast moving game, people don't always have time to explain everything on the spot.

mansnicks wrote: ↑Sun Mar 14, 2021 6:41 pm Free Town Points to anyone listing their last few Town and Mafia games, preferable ISO links.

I still haven't found the ISO buttons. xD

Here's me on MU for town games.

My last scum game is fucking ancient and it was also my first game in three years so it's probably outdated and it's also on my home forum with no pages or ISO links but if you want it it's there.

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