The Syndicate

I successfully pushed a winning PoE

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat May 29, 2021 5:48 pm Dya/c4 w/w boom

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 4:17 pm
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 3:32 pmI'm sheeping all of Dizzy's preflip w/w reads for the forseeable future
Btw, did you actually miss my Dya/Vul connection or did you just pretend you did? xD I was wondering about that. =p

I saw the post where you mentioned having it, but the post itself? Straight up missed it.

Pretty nuts town ofc
Dizzy Hally sunbae Visor especially GOATs
I'm sheeping all of Dizzy's preflip w/w reads for the forseeable future

At EoD7 I was thinking "If I get Visor chopped that's hilarious and if I take this to F3 against all odds I'm satisfied"
It was hilarious and I'm satisfied

SuccDragon sounds like a pretty threatening username to me

>be c4
>rand town in every game ever
>see signups for this funny little dobby role madness game called "Congress of Vienna"
>see the syndicate raiding the signups
>see a once-in-a-lifetime jaw-dropping list
>snap signup despite the game conflicting with fucking everything
>rand wolf

>month later
>mostly recovered
>the lolcats helped with the stress
>still randing town in every game ever
>see signups for this funny little jay light game called "PSY 2310"
>see spec chat raiding the signups
>see a once-in-a-lifetime jaw-dropping list
>snap signup despite the game again conflicting with fucking everything
>rand
fucking
WOLF

Why can't my wolf rands be in monthly Dawoodle light games with players with usernames like SuccDragon?

It's fuckin happening

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 2:01 pm I have absolutely no reason trying to get as much as possible out of c4 this phase if I was wolf here. I've been trying to gauge him all phase, and tried to let him speak on the situation to see if I could confidently solve him. If I was wolf I wouldn't want him to speak. I would want the game to go in the direction it was naturally going. Maybe it's annoying, but my paranoia here is always town. I've been looking in the direction that would cause the biggest problem if it was true and it was ignored (you being wolf instead of c4)

This is flat out incorrect. You used the predictably inconclusive nature of my posts to argue for a last second scumread on me. There's plenty of reason for you to do that as a wolf.

Seriously, did you expect me to respond in any way other than the way I did? I just parroted the stuff I'd been parroting already, and that was when you decided I was hedging because I was a wolf.

Honey wrote:i still dont understand what you mean but im sure it makes no sense

Should've used this @Dyslexicon
I've wanted to turn this into a copypasta for a bit

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 1:51 pm
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 1:50 pm 1. I pushed townies and townread wolves and I couldn't do that in CoV even when given every chance and reason
2. If we're talking "whoever breaks the FoS triangle first is playing how a wolf would need to to win" then Dizzy's the one that actually did
2. Huh?

Now you're posts are just pissing me off.

Lol, should've just not been stupid I guess. But I think SPF will be clutch anyway.

You actually argued I was a wolf while not committing. If the argument against me is that I hedged just to wait for your misvote, this is flat out worse.

That sounds a lot like a self-indictment when said out loud

1. I pushed townies and townread wolves and I couldn't do that in CoV even when given every chance and reason
2. If we're talking "whoever breaks the FoS triangle first is playing how a wolf would need to to win" then Dizzy's the one that actually did

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 1:44 pm yeah i dont slowroll, im just town

im gonna think for a while and then place my vote. i would be interested in hearing both of you give me the strongest reasons for

A. why you shouldnt be hammered

B. why the other person should be hammered

A. Go read CoV again first
B. Been trying to get others to talk to me about this guy for days and I've gotten "there's more nuance that you haven't been told yet but reevaluate your own reads first because you're the one who made the mistake"

So I was shockingly right about spf again
Won't blame you either way

Uh
I'll be pretty pissed at you for slowrolling from inside the dome if it's you Dizzy

[VOTE: Dyslexicon] aubergine
Pls no slowroll

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 1:20 pm
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 1:18 pm If I do have to vote first I'd prefer you make me do it soon
Question is if you have what you want to make up your mind? What more do you want to do or what more can you do, or what more can any of us help you with?

Again, no, I don't, and I don't know how I can.

If I do have to vote first I'd prefer you make me do it soon

I'd just like to say that in certain ways being a broken record is my whole town meta lol

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 12:52 pm
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 12:46 pm I don't really know how to towncase myself in general.
I usually rely on others to clear me. I've had games where I get universally townread, don't actually campaign the fact that I'm obvious, then find myself under pressure because everyone just forgot the reasons I'm town. I've gotten chopped for my inability to towncase myself before.
Great.
What do you suppose I should do here then?
Cause I feel that if you’re in fact town, we’ve just lost. Again, you wanting to vote me would not be a threat to me if I was mafia. I wouldn’t care. I only care in the case that you are town.

So, what more are you wanting to gain from this game? What more are you able or willing to do to get to the correct choice if you’re town here?

This phase has been a bunch of me charging headfirst into the brick wall of "how do I get a more confident answer" and predictably suffering head trauma. I don't know what my next step is and the last time I did I led a mischop.

Occasionally it does click into place and I find that one bulletproof reason, but it's all on chance.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 12:38 pm So it's like, if you are town, why are you not trying to convince SPF that you are town here? You're basically just hanging out, telling us how none of us are really scummy. The answer is pretty much that you aren't town, and that you're just hoping I make a mistake and vote SPF before you vote for some reason?

I don't really know how to towncase myself in general.
I usually rely on others to clear me. I've had games where I get universally townread, don't actually campaign the fact that I'm obvious, then find myself under pressure because everyone just forgot the reasons I'm town. I've gotten chopped for my inability to towncase myself before.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 12:24 pm This is something I couldn't do as wolf because it's just plain bad play imo. It's not how I ever play wolf at all, it wouldn't sit right with me. I don't purposefully trip up my teammates when there's no reason to, because I always approach the game as a very team oriented game.

So are you obsessive over optimal play as a wolf?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 12:24 pm Also, seriously, wtf do you think I'm trying to accomplish by trying to talk to you here? Do you think I'm just trolling you and the thread instead of taking SPF's side of things? You voting me is not a threat to me if I'm a wolf. It's only a threat to me if I'm town, specifically if we both are.

This is true except for the fact that it applies to literally all of us. I'm FoSing you. You're FoSing spf. spf's FoSing me. Whoever starts the dome here is more likely than not to lose it.

No, I don't actually feel like you're a wolf on the basis of your own play at all.

What have you done that you don't think you could do as a wolf? I've seen w!spf try to push the limits of her wolf range and crash and burn horribly, and I've clearly never seen you do the same.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 11:59 am
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 11:52 am
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 11:26 am @c4e5g3d5 Let me know when you're around.
I'm here
Considering snapvoting you just to get my mind off of this game
Well, yes. That is what I was wondering. If you do this, you will lose the game, no matter your alignment though. You may or may not know this. =p

What are the things you're weighing or considering? Cause you haven't really said much about that.

I know this whole game has been a lesson in "godreads bad". That's somewhere in my head. On the other hand, the meta read on you is "Dizzy wouldn't do this as a wolf", and the meta read on spf is "spf couldn't do this as a wolf". That distinction just makes the spf meta read look miles stronger. It also makes the meta read on me stronger, if we want to go into that.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Jun 16, 2021 11:26 am @c4e5g3d5 Let me know when you're around.

I'm here
Considering snapvoting you just to get my mind off of this game

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 9:42 pm let's start here: if you had to vote right now, who would you vote for?

Dizzy

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 9:42 pm tell me what your plan is to get to a more confident answer.

Yeah I know my viewpoint is heavily imperfect but the problem is I have absolutely no fucking idea how to fix it
My total combined F3 experience is one F3 where I tunneled onto the easiest misvote the wolf could have asked for and another where I was the wolf and casually collected the easiest misvote I could have asked for

Everyone familiar with Dizzy who might have helped me read him is dead
I asked nut to hold my hand through the Dizzy read in anticipation of something like this and it just didn't fucking happen
I tried to lead by example n shit by explaining my read on you
My read on you got Visor killed and then disappeared from the minds of everyone it might have been relevant to as far as I can tell
That's the plain solving stuff that I do know well aaaaaaaand it's gone

I don't know how to do these
You know who might have? Fucking Visor

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 6:45 pm c4, what's the wolfiest thing that either me or dizzy have done today?

what's the towniest thing that either of us have done?

give me something to work with

Your spew wall was written in the performative tone that you always have as a wolf
Sorta doubt you have the not melding w/ Dizzy => paranoia take as a wolf

I... don't think Dizzy has done anything particularly wolfy today
The me ISO looked genuine and also counterintuitive for w!Dizzy here

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 7:02 pm c4, if youre town, then i really need you to give me ~anything~. it can be the sloppiest, most badly worded posting of your entire life - i just wanna hear the raw towniness from you. the only reality where i can see myself townreading you in this game is if you bleed town, and you definitely are not going to do that at your current trajectory

Clearly not gonna get there on WIM, and I've never really had a towniness switch like that in general. Would doing more exercises like #5322 help you? Think I have a little time.

I recognize all the problems I'm facing right now and literally don't have a single clue what question I could ask that would address any of them

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 3:41 pm
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 2:44 pm If her posts today were all the material I could read her with, I'd just straight up call her a wolf. But they're not.
You've earlier been very sure she's town. And you've also been pretty vocal about not finding me town. That changed last day phase though. I'm wondering what's going on in your head right now, and if you think this is a hard decision? If it is, what's making it hard?

Obviously right now I'd vote you, but it's a hard decision because you're not wolfy. I haven't had any actual complaints about your play for three cycles, and I haven't been able to seriously push you despite constantly having every reason to. In most gamestates this would mean the shrug answer is wrong and I made a mistake somewhere, but there aren't a ton of places where that mistake could be anymore.

I also have to weigh the fact that I'm in an inherently better position to understand how spf is out of her wolf range than how you are. Basically I have to do due diligence but don't really get how in this situation.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 5:15 pm
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sat May 29, 2021 5:26 pm Obviously if Alison doesn't actually get in here and claim she's a wolf, but I'm still considering that a big if.
@c4e5g3d5 Can you talk about this? You had other reasons for reading Alison town than assuming she was PT. Why would she then be a wolf if she didn't claim PT, wouldn't those reasons still apply?

Was holding out hope for a good reason she ghosted, that's largely how I got to PR. I got that it was bad but then found a world where it was good. Call it plinko-boardy if you want.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 5:15 pm Some places it looks like c4 is basically open wolfing. And from what I gather, he kind of did that in CoV. Fucking CoV. Saying "What if it's me?" and even "I'm in danger" meme today. It cringe.

In CoV I openwolfed insofar as being obvious and then outing before I was about to get dayvigged anyway. Sorry for being unfunny, but hey, I was funny in CoV

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 5:40 pm @c4e5g3d5 Also, can you talk about your vote on Vul on D3? You made the vote 2 min after Sunbae outed. Do you recall what was going on in your head at the time?

Only thing I recall off the top of my head was getting pissed at Marl for FPSing, sorry to disappoint.

If her posts today were all the material I could read her with, I'd just straight up call her a wolf. But they're not.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 1:37 pm @c4e5g3d5 Can you talk a little bit more about how you square this situation right now?

Do you still think SPF is definitely town? Does her long walls make you think she's town?

The walls? Oh fuck no, that's as squarely inside her wolf range as it gets. It's just her whole approach this game that's hard to see as anything other than playing by discovery. As a wolf I think she really needs to carefully plan everything, because if she doesn't she'll toss salads like I've seen her do before. Her wall today could easily be viewed as that brand of planned, and the dramatic wording is characteristic of her wolf game, but her play in early days less so.

I ignored dya D1 because I thought Seth spewed them. I abruptly didn't think Seth spewed dya on D2. Then I saw that opportunistic dichotomy.

@staypositivefriend I don't know what to do with this information but you definitely didn't include Vulgard's entire treatment of me because neighborhood.

Although if we're talking about nut legacy then uh
Heheh

I should do this with at least three hours of sleep

Exactly how eyebrow-raising would a non-nut kill be
Enough to make Dizzy pass up that likely easy misvote?

I know her reads change on a dime but she was really shutting down Dizzy talk there

It looks like we're looking at the rare F3 FoS triangle
Still think it's probably Dizzy but looking at who's alive we can agree that there's a wolf out of their wolf range so I can't take that easy route
Plus nut's read could hold some weight with her death

Should've rolled over
Visor might have survived this F3

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 5:07 pm What if it actually is c4 and we just psyched ourselves out? Wowee

I'd be proud lol

Wth no

We can get out of here
Fucking finally

Gtg in 20 minutes

outed wolf wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 4:54 pm
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 4:52 pm
outed wolf wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 4:50 pm Spfs arguments against C4 that arete pointed out are pretty classic her wolf game when she struggles to know what to push
Jesus someone's still trying to argue spf's playing like w!spf
If you think she's a wolf argue how she shattered her meta not this
She hasn't shattered her meta. She's struggled to push people since dya died. All she's done is bus her team and flounder exactly how she pointed out she does as a wolf

I did all that after days of you telling me to do all that and you say this

outed wolf wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 4:53 pm Dizzy if you think it can be me, I'll be in f3 so we can discuss it then. Until that time, we kill C4. (Or SPF)

Holy shit

outed wolf wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 4:50 pm Spfs arguments against C4 that arete pointed out are pretty classic her wolf game when she struggles to know what to push

Jesus someone's still trying to argue spf's playing like w!spf
If you think she's a wolf argue how she shattered her meta not this

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 4:48 pm [VOTE: Nutella ] aubergine

There's a reason we haven't been talking about nut.

Fuck this, if nut's wrong on Dizzy the game we wouldn't have gotten there anyway so I'm just sheeping
The PoE is c4 Visor

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 4:43 pm c4, what's the wolfiest thing about visor, in your opinion?

I don't know if there are any glaring things but the constant "c4 isn't doing anything" while ignoring what I have done in the last few days with everyone else reeks of LHFing.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 4:36 pm
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 4:35 pmIs it just "but I have these other small gripes" or have you actually read what I've said?
I have.
Other town reads weigh higher.
I liked Arete's point about Visor's freak out about the Dya chop being too risky if he was a wolf with Dya.

I've gone over this point in my head before and I've been on and off about using it. I agree it's a good look but I'm calling this game coming from spf less plausible than w!Visor putting on towny paranoia for shits and giggles.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 4:32 pm
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 4:25 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 4:23 pm What is meaning?
nut has spotted something from you that she's confident is out of your wolf range
I have spotted a plethora of things that I'm confident are out of spf's wolf range
Everyone has spotted this, not just Nut.
And I think you could be wrong.

Is it just "but I have these other small gripes" or have you actually read what I've said?

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