The Syndicate

DkKoba wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 4:55 pm i see a tonystark looking at this thread @TonyStarkPrime tell me why i shouldn't wagon you rn.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 4:54 pm

Gavial wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 4:53 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 4:52 pm

Gavial wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 4:47 pm Alison is meh but REALLY LOOK AT EM!
And ugh, Nanook how did I Town slip exactly?
Quote to quote!

What do you mean Alison is meh?

Need more from em.

ok? and her answer is going to be "i've been sick" so then what?

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 4:51 pm Invictus ISO

Spoiler: show

Opens with naked vote on dizzy with no posts saying it feels right in his bones. Probably not a big deal?
Marmot sheeps him there, Gavial comments on the marmot post asking why marmot is sheeping. Instead of waiting/allowing marmot to answer invictus jumps in, asks if marmot doesn't sheep, then asks gavial if it means anything to him.

I found that exchange weird b/c like first of all it's not invictus that's being questioned here, marmot is, and the way invictus presents the question is just wtf? He also never follows up with gavial on this that I have seen.

Invictius wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 11:47 pm

Gavial wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 10:14 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 9:09 pm

Invictius wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 8:59 pm [VOTE: dyslexicon] aubergine


Let's go with this. It feels right in the bones

[VOTE: Dyslexicon] aubergine

Agree 100%

Yo Marmot.
Why you sheeping?

Does Marmot not sheep? Does it mean anything to you

I comment on that same quote chain saying there's a wolf in the set invictus/marmot based on those two votes being on zero poster dizzy and here's his response:

Invictius wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 11:48 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 11:09 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 9:09 pm

Invictius wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 8:59 pm [VOTE: dyslexicon] aubergine


Let's go with this. It feels right in the bones

[VOTE: Dyslexicon] aubergine

Agree 100%

probs one wolf in here

What makes you say that? I'm town, should I vote Marmot? Why or why not

He wants to know why I said that, and then immediately says he's town and asks me if I think he should vote marmot why/why not. This doesn't feel like a townie exchange to me, it's like a gish gallop almost. Spew a few things out and move on while I have to process what he's looking for and continue presenting arguments if I think there's anything of value there.

If he's town why doesn't he want to actually engage there with what I'm thinking instead of immediately pressing on whether or not he should be voting marmot.

Invictius wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 1:12 am

Alison wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 12:42 am Gavial's reads are too sane for him to be town.

I'm not joking.

they asked marmot why they were sheeping in the first 30 posts of the game. if that's sane what is gavial's insane reads?

Still circling around that same exchange, functionally, only this time it's Alison that he's engaging with. I'm not sure what to make of this, gavial at the time was, well gavial. I've only ever seen gavial town so I have no idea if his wolf game is similar to his town game or not.
I think it's reasonable to ask why marmot is sheeping and don't see how that's an insane thing to be asking.

His early game has quite a few posts where he asks questions and then moves on, as if he doesn't really care about the answer to the question, just that he's asked it and it looks good.
Nothing there is truly wolf indicative, but it's not reading townie to me.

Invictius wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 1:39 am

Gavial wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 12:52 am

Invictius wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 11:47 pm

Gavial wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 10:14 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 9:09 pm

Invictius wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 8:59 pm [VOTE: dyslexicon] aubergine


Let's go with this. It feels right in the bones

[VOTE: Dyslexicon] aubergine

Agree 100%

Yo Marmot.
Why you sheeping?

Does Marmot not sheep? Does it mean anything to you

Well clearly he does because he’s doing it.
I’m just asking why.

this still doesn't make much sense to me because there's no reasoning attached to my vote so he's not really sheeping anything at all so to look into at all doesn't make sense.

UNLESS IT'S A REACTION TEST.

those are fun

is it a reaction test? does me asking about it ruin it?

more gish gallop

Invictius wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 1:43 am

Gavial wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 12:55 am

Alison wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 12:42 am Gavial's reads are too sane for him to be town.

I'm not joking.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 12:43 am

Alison wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 12:42 am Gavial's reads are too sane for him to be town.

I'm not joking.

gavial has reads?

Alison wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 12:44 am

Gavial wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 8:46 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 8:02 pm i am mafia

[VOTE: SPF] aubergine

GG EZ Win!

Gavial wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 10:14 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 9:09 pm

Invictius wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 8:59 pm [VOTE: dyslexicon] aubergine


Let's go with this. It feels right in the bones

[VOTE: Dyslexicon] aubergine

Agree 100%

Yo Marmot.
Why you sheeping?

First one pretty clearly calls SPF scum. I don't think it's a joke vote either, this is how he phrases actual scumreads. Second one is clearly meant to shade Marmot and express suspicion of him.

Nah Fam this is a reach.
I’m with HC here.
It is a clear joke vote as its SoD1 aka Meme Phase.
I don’t Phraze actual scum reads with “GG EZ Game” nice try, that’s clearly a joke.
Am I clearly meant to shade marmot and be sus of a simple sheep during SoD? I’m just curious as to why he choose to do it when he did and what inspired him to do so.

my apologies, i ask a lot of questions;

why is it that her accusation caused you to react like this? you agreed with hallow(i think that was their username) about there being scum on the dizzy wagon immediately, but here you've backtracked as much as one can back track in saying that it doesn't mean much because it's the meme stage of the game. which is it, do you think there's scum on the dizzy wagon or are you just curious about his intentions. it can't be both.

this exchange though I like. It's got more meat to it, and asks some actually pointed questions instead of fluffy kinda stuff. If Invictus is town this post is a good one, and if he's a wolf it's a really good one
I also like that his posting continues to improve from this point and he's starting to get into some solving mode so that's good

Invictius wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 12:52 pm

fingersplints wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 12:47 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 9:38 am Nanook, still posting about shows and not players?

What do you think this means?

hi

i shouldn't answer for them but i havent interacted with you yet so i will!


if someone chooses to continue fluffing instead of getting involved people find it suspicious as fluff is something scum can hide behind instead of having to engage in the actual content of the game

that said my understanding is nook is pretty experienced and most wolves are self-aware enough to know to get somewhat involved so they don't look bad whereas town are more apathetic to it. it looks similar to my experience with nook so i think it's kinda towny, but i have no idea what his scum game is like.

speaking of being self-aware...

I never did answer this post

Invictius wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 12:56 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 11:06 am

Invictius wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 1:26 am

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 12:39 am

Invictius wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 11:48 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 11:09 pm

probs one wolf in here

What makes you say that? I'm town, should I vote Marmot? Why or why not

found the wolf
[VOTE: invictius] aubergine

you didnt answer my question. so sad.

I figure that's' a pretty good answer

it wasn't tho

if you do scum read me, what do you think of the people town reading me? do you find any of the town reads on my suspicious? do you make teams when you scumhunt or do you just find individuals scummy and not worry about making teams out of the people you suspect?

I don't make teams, especially not this early. It feels like his defense here of my suspicion on them is "but look at all the other people who think I'm town". Most of the time D1 isn't about finding a wolf, it's about eliminating the most wolfy person you find. I dunno, I had good feelings for a while from his mid-day stuff and now I'm back to "this guy isn't super townie and I kinda want him dead again"

Invictius wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 1:07 pm I like Alison too, mostly for having 3 town reads early on and because solving via town reads >>>>

does not jibe with how they were posting earlier about alison..

I got sucked into some work things and didn't get a chance to finish this and won't before EOD. GTH I still think he's wolfy

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 4:52 pm

Gavial wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 4:47 pm Alison is meh but REALLY LOOK AT EM!
And ugh, Nanook how did I Town slip exactly?
Quote to quote!

What do you mean Alison is meh?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 2:50 pm

fingersplints wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 2:36 pm @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
I’m first trying to figure out these ones that mention me but I don’t understand what they mean?

In the first is he calling me a wolf and telling Tony to look into me? Or Tony a wolf? And if it’s the first why specifically should Tony look into it.

The second I just don’t get the significance of the sunglasses

Gavial wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 9:55 am I mean Fingersplints, hmm.
@TonyStarkPrime
Better look into them, watch them with me and here they good wolf.

Gavial wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 1:53 pm Like Marmot, Finger and SPF we need the big giant sunglasses on those peeps!

First one he's sussing you im pretty sure

Second one uh...idk what the sunglasses mean either

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 1:49 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 9:26 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 4:02 am @DkKoba Your frustration with Nanook is understandable, and something I've seen a lot. But I think leaning into that frustration is a distraction for the game and for you. I don't think it helps solving. Nanook has a history of making players feel exactly this way about his play. If it help, keep this in mind, that Nanook is experienced, but he plays for fun/to chill, and he has actually given some thoughts (although maybe few and not well explained.) If it still pisses you off, I suggest you'd just ignore it. Several people in this game have a history with reading Nanook pretty well. If he doesn't show up for town, he'll get chopped eventually. I get the impatience, but it's not getting us anywhere.

And you could replace Nanook's name with mine in your post and it would be equally, if not more, true. And yet you have a lazy whatever vote on me, and you're Nanook's top apologist in every other post you make. Super fine.

Back to this a bit.

What's the point of this post really? Is it just to call my vote lazy? Cause I don't get anything of what this vote says about me or nanook or anyone.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 1:35 pm

Gavial wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 8:59 am Not saying I’m IC, just wondering if I’d get that TR in that situation from yeah.

if you were revealed as IC you'd get town read b/c you're revealed as IC

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 9:42 am I'm not sure what it means that neither Invictus nor fingersplints had anything to say about me copy-pasting a response to their suspicions.

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 9:26 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 4:02 am @DkKoba Your frustration with Nanook is understandable, and something I've seen a lot. But I think leaning into that frustration is a distraction for the game and for you. I don't think it helps solving. Nanook has a history of making players feel exactly this way about his play. If it help, keep this in mind, that Nanook is experienced, but he plays for fun/to chill, and he has actually given some thoughts (although maybe few and not well explained.) If it still pisses you off, I suggest you'd just ignore it. Several people in this game have a history with reading Nanook pretty well. If he doesn't show up for town, he'll get chopped eventually. I get the impatience, but it's not getting us anywhere.

And you could replace Nanook's name with mine in your post and it would be equally, if not more, true. And yet you have a lazy whatever vote on me, and you're Nanook's top apologist in every other post you make. Super fine.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 9:21 am

Gavial wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 9:13 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 4:18 am @Gavial Why on earth are you sleeping Alison on yourself?

I’m not.
I’m sheeping Alison on myself.
And saying it how you did is quite a naughty way to think eh?

I blame auto correct!

But yes, you understand the question, don't you? Can you answer this - why are you sheeping Alison on yourself?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 9:20 am

Gavial wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 8:57 amCan we do Falcon instead of LC?
I have a clear on them based on their Koba response.

That is not a clear at all in my eyes. You said "scum would not do that", to which both me and Marmot said we would definitely do that as scum. And I don't see why LC wouldn't at all.

But sure, what are the reasons you want Falcon chopped here?

Also, did you lose interest in trying to hang me? Did you want this at one point? What happened?

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 4:18 am @Gavial Why on earth are you sleeping Alison on yourself?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 7:53 am

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 3:45 am

DkKoba wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 1:26 amis this how they normally play?

i barely paid attention to them in bread mafia bc they kept voting town lol

Yes, and he frequently pisses people off with his play style. It's pretty tiring. Trick is to see beyond all the discussions about how he's not playing the game the way everyone wants him to, and look at his actual content.

So far he's said that Gavial town slipped and has some town reads.

Speaking of, @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME from memory I don't think you listed Gavial in your town reads, but you still said he town slipped. How come?

I'm deeply reluctant to ever give seth (gavial is seth btw) a true townread

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 4:17 am Fingers is a strong town read for me.

Invictus is a town read for me. We're on the same wavelength.

Gavial is weird as hell, and his thoughts makes no sense to me, but he's probably town ??? Others who knows him better should chime in on this.

SPF has a good direction. Funnily enough, the more she posts, the less certain I am that she's town. But her direction seems not bad at least.

DkK is a town read for me as well. How they self meta'd and said something like "Learn to read my play style. This is actually lean town imo (but I'm biased)" is exactly how I feel and how I phrase things a lot as town when I feel misunderstood. His annoyance towards Nanook is also towny to me.

Marmot gave me a few town vibes. Probably nothing substantial, but not really where I'm interested to vote.

Falcon haven't said much. I haven't been pinged by any of his posts thought.

Hollow, I guess could go either way. But honestly, the lack of trying to "get someone" could indicate that he's town ???

Nanook is nanook is nanook is actually probably fine. The reason is that I feel his answers has a feel of "Actually, my play is a good enough town play" instead of "I am going to be nanook". Don't know if that makes sense to anyone.

Which leaves Alison, LC and Tony. Had some early town vibes on Tony which doesn't hold up at all for me right now. But I haven't seen him do anything scummy. Alison, I can't really read. But I don't have a reason to think them town. I actually thought her early Gavial accusation was kind of weird. LC has hardly made an impact, and from memory, he usually vibes town to me when he is.

So this is probably too many town reads, mild and not so mild. And it could of course be off. I'm not totally convinced of anything tbh, except Finger's is probably my strongest town read actually.

[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

So I guess:

Strong town: Fingers
Town: Invictus, DdK
Probably town: Spf, Gavial
Mild town: Marmot, Nanook
Meh but not scummy perhaps: Falcon, Hollow, Tony
Meh: Alison, LC


For now.

Invictius wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 4:11 am

Invictius wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 1:22 pm Alison
DkKoba
Dyslexicon
falcon45ca
Fingersplints
Gavial
Hollowkatt
Long Con
Marmot
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
Staypositivefriend
tonystarkprime


this is disappointingly less than i thought.

still a good start!

i dont include scum reads on my lists, but im more than happy to clarify who those are if anyone asks. particularly i dont like gavial, hollow, or koba right now and will vote among those 3.

if anyone thinks this is too many town reads, there's also a lot of town compared to scum! i like to solve via town reads and creating a poe to find scum. for the most part my town reads are pretty consistently good so it works well for me.

Invictius wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 1:24 pm okay well all of those kinda look the same:

strong town reads: dizzy/splints/spf
weaker town reads: alison/nook

adding HK/ddk as town reads, hk for their persistence in voting me even while being a leading wagon and just continuing to tunnel rather than even attempting to self pres(they were tied with kuba as leading wagons) and ddkuba for their interaction with nook. alison is a really weak town read based on earlier stuff and she hasn't been around, the rest top 3 i dont really have much reason to change unless something blatantly scummy happens or pending flips.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 1:57 am i think that nanook's reaction is a little villagery

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 12:31 am

Gavial wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 12:30 am Well then give them someone to go onto.
While I think Koba is town you clearly think he isn’t yet your not even trying to convince 2 of your town reads to stop voting your other one.
While I told Koba he been bad boy for voting HK.

Naw I'm just gonna keep doing what I'm doing

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 12:09 am Invictus, dizzy, hk, spf, falcon all town


I'm going back to hibernation now, more reads in 2-4 business days

Invictius wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 12:07 am [VOTE: vote long con] aubergine

Let's see what happens with this, if anything at all!


I don't have a huge case or anything, everything just feels stagnant and I hate when things are stagnant

DkKoba wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 10:52 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 10:35 pm

Invictius wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 8:58 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 5:45 pm

Invictius wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 12:35 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 5:38 am

Invictius wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 1:17 am

yes, and half a phase with marmot and 2 games with nook.

You are Plat. This makes me have a big happy and it makes more sense. Ignore the bish you don't know me, cause you do =p

Did you finally rand scum this game? I hope so for your sake, but for me I hope you're town.

i wish.

it's been MONTHS. MONTHS. i've drawn scum 5 times across 2 sites since 2019(not including reps/cults, including reps it's 8).

the rand gods hate me. it's either non-stop town or non-stop scum on end.

I had a streak of 25 games where my rands were 12 town, 12 scum, and one third party. At one point I had 8 scum rands in a row, that was rough.
Do you like being scum more than town?

That's rough.

I like to be town mostly and then win as scum for all the dumb shit and dumb accusations people said to me when I was town.

What do you think of your wagon? Anyone stand out to you as particularly scummy, why?

my wagon is eh. I thought SPFs vote and subsequent post showed some self-consciousness but I don't have a good frame of reference to think about that in.
Dizzys vote is shrug, yours is omgus, and marmot I haven't thought about at all

[VOTE: hollowkatt] aubergine

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 10:31 pm

Gavial wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 8:51 pm I think HK’s suspicion towards me is towny as a wolf could have just slipped by and accepted my hard town read on them.

speaking of.. did you want to answer my earlier question about how you agreed with SPF and then in your next post shaded SPF and someone else?

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 10:21 pm damn, is the deadline really in less than 24 hours? i wish that we had more time to work stuff out - my reads dont feel nearly enough developed

Invictius wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 8:53 pm

Gavial wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 8:50 pm

Invictius wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 8:49 pm

Gavial wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 5:23 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 5:22 pm [VOTE: dkkoba] aubergine

Town

Why

If you read first and ask questions later.
You wouldn’t have even needed to ask “why”.

True


But I still don't get your explanation as to why that never comes from wolf

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 10:19 pm

Gavial wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 8:45 pm SPF I have placed my vote on you!
What are you gonna do about it?

this does not concern me. why do you scumread me?

Invictius wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 8:49 pm

Gavial wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 5:23 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 5:22 pm [VOTE: dkkoba] aubergine

Town

Why

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 8:48 pm

DkKoba wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 8:47 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 8:46 pm

DkKoba wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 8:45 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 8:44 pm

DkKoba wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 8:43 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 8:40 pm

You can call me cap cause no, I dont think I will

k scumbinned until further notice.

Oh no I'm so intimidated

ur play is extremely annoying. this isn't conductive to solving.

I was pretty explicit I'm not taking this game seriously until d3 or d4 at the earliest, you're free to ignore me until that time!

ur also welcome to not be alive by that point.

Seems unnecessarily rude