The Syndicate

Kami wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 1:21 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 12:58 am Kami why did you sign up to our site with two user names? You're also @MissSparkles right?
No and what does this have to do with the game?

Mac was hard tunnelled by them.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 10:07 pm
Gavial wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 9:57 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 9:25 am Marmot/Creature is different

Syn, me, you, Wiml are all confirmed town.

@Gavial @Kami are another difference check by POE.

If we are at 8 here. We chop whichever of Marmot/Creature. If its a mafia then it becomes 7v1 and then 5v1 with the two kills (I didn't know about the two kills til now). Even at that point you get two mischops. You can't count.
How is Syn confirmed town?
I think you are but honestly I’m not entirely sure.
There's no world in which Syn is with Deli. Or mafia generally. He's inno child.

How so?

Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 10:00 pm Gavial, Syn, Mac, and Kami are the options for the final scum eh?

I'll make my case for Creature first, then look at those four.

Thank Yeah!

@Marmot
@Creature

Whichever one of you is town you know the other is scum.
Who do you think the last scum is?

It’s more like WimI and Esooa are confirmed confirmed town.
Mac is spewed town by Deli but still has a chance to be theatre.
I still wolf read Syn and I have since day 1.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 9:25 am Marmot/Creature is different

Syn, me, you, Wiml are all confirmed town.

@Gavial @Kami are another difference check by POE.

If we are at 8 here. We chop whichever of Marmot/Creature. If its a mafia then it becomes 7v1 and then 5v1 with the two kills (I didn't know about the two kills til now). Even at that point you get two mischops. You can't count.

How is Syn confirmed town?
I think you are but honestly I’m not entirely sure.

Fuck It!

[VOTE: Creature] aubergine

Syn wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 2:28 pm please don't make me do an ISO

I want to be a cool Mafia player, not a nerd

But your PFP is Liza.

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 12:47 pm I don't think marmots deli associations are bad

Yeah I’m kinda leaning towards Creature myself.

Syn wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 12:45 pm Why in the good god hell would it be me?

Marmot has been more explicitly scummy when associated with Deli, but Creature has also been circling the wagons and has felt opportunistic. They both have great scum equity here.

Ah but one of them has to be town.

Deli being scum probably makes the team Marmot/Kami or Creature/Syn

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jun 10, 2021 4:38 am Deli is obvious wolf. Really no need to do anything else. Marmot feels obvious to me as well but you all probs need the Deli flip to get comfy with it.

This just makes me think more and more it’s You, Syn and Nanook.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Jun 10, 2021 2:29 am If we sleep we go

Sleep 7v3
Nk 6v3
Miskill me I assume for this 5v3
One nk 4v3
Kill my red check 4v2
Nk 3v2
50/50 between esooa and deli, let's say correct one is killed, 3v1
If deli maf someone else nked, 2v1 with one confirmed, if esooa maf deli nked 2v1 with one confirmed (deli says who they jail ahead of time, functional green check)

If we don't sleep, assuming deli is maf (I assume I lose a 1v1 with esooa if they're town, so no point looking at that rn)
Kill deli 7v2
I get nked 6v2
Kill wrong check 5v2
Double nk 3v2
Kill now red check, 3v1
Nk 2v1, go to f3 with confirmed esooa alive

I suppose there's also a world where mafia prioritize killing esooa over me, thats actually fairly realistic since they only have one night they can do it if she's town and they can hit me and a green check on the double kill night

Maybe it is better to sleep? Idk, I think sleeping is lower risk, not sleeping goes great if we hit maf today and probably loses if we don't

Why would you wanna 1V1 a town if your town?
Nanook caught scum!

[VOTE: Syn] aubergine
Still think we should resolve Nanook/Deli but I trust Esooa so I’ll trust their judgement.

Esooa wrote: ↑Wed Jun 09, 2021 10:39 pm
Syn wrote: ↑Wed Jun 09, 2021 10:34 pm Nanook suspects Creature D2
Nanook cops Creature N2
Nanook knows Creature's alignment is the opposite of whatever Marmot's alignment is, since Nanook checked Marmot N1
Nanook thinks Marmot is the more likely wolf based on association with Deli, who is the likely fake claim between Esooa and them

this is not rocket science
just saying but if this were a more experienced forum with regards to using parity cop nanook would die for a claim with those checks lol

anyways

[VOTE: syn] aubergine

Explain how Syn is more likely to go over and is BETTER to go over then that of Nanook/Deli.

Esooa wrote: ↑Wed Jun 09, 2021 10:15 pm honestly I have no problems with just killing Syn today for his terrible play this game cause I'm not sure on the rest

Still would rather vote Nanook today tbh.

Esooa wrote: ↑Wed Jun 09, 2021 10:02 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 11:57 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 11:57 am
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 11:53 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 11:43 am I mean they're an uncced jk claim its not great to kill them today lol

Unless you're gonna cc you should probably move
what if I were to tell you I don't believe the claim

I'd disagree with you until you provide a reason.
the reason is I think deli is lying
This isn't a guarantee, but HK gets really mad at people for lying about stuff as town. If he had mech info (I.E. would KNOW Deli is lying) I think he would say something different than "I think" Deli is lying

Yeah! They also wouldn’t have switch voted to Kami!
I think Nanook seen this as an opportunity to take one for the mafia team and get rid of a PR via ML.

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Jun 09, 2021 9:16 pm
Gavial wrote: ↑Wed Jun 09, 2021 9:03 pm I’m at the verge where I think Nanook and Syn are scum and their partner is Marmot or Mac.

Look Gavial, this theory isn't terrible. In fact, there's some validity to it. I just don't think it has as much strength as the world where Deli is the fakeclaims

I agree that it's an excellent claim from Nanook as wolf. In the world where Nanook is the wolf, presumably, his wolf team knew that there was no parity cop in the game Day 2, and with all of the other PRs having claimed or been killed at the start of Day 3, claiming parity between two non-PRs sets his team up for an easy win if Creature and I are both town.

But this makes a number of jumps in logic that point to Deli being the liar here.

1) Scum killed hollowkatt Night 2. With a JK and a Doctor claimed in thread, and assuming they didn't know who the tracker was, Nanook's team likely kills won of the protective roles, not the tracker. Which leads me to my next point.
2) Hollowkatt claimed that Deli was lying about his JK claim and target Night 1. It was not a CC, no. But hollowkatt was the tracker, and stating such a strong belief leaves an implication that he tracked Deli nowhere (I assume nowhere, but I suppose it's possible he was tracked to Wiml).
3) Nanook voted for me and called me out for a couple things on Day 2. Nanook did seem to want me yeeted, and said as much today, and I believe it's because he'd already had a peek on me as he's now claimed. What I'm saying is that there's evidence in the thread that Nanook was the parity cop already.

Yeah Nanook could be the liar here, I just think there's a lot more evidence on the contrary.

1)Not if Nanook and his buds were originally planning for Nanook to claim Cop. They simply take out the unclaimed PR through an NK and then try and get one of the other two PR’s ML’ed so they can take only 2 nights to NK all the PR instead of 3.

2)I don’t see this at all you’ll have to quote it because all I seen was they had a strong SR on Deli and pushed them hard but never actually CC’ed them and they clearly weren’t 100% on Deli or else they wouldn’t have changed their vote to Kami.

3)Yeah but he also sused creature as well I believe.
Putting 2 players you claimed to SR in your cop results ain’t hard to do.

I’ll let you decide but I strongly think it’s Nanook due to how this game state has been thus far and how Syn is reacted to stuff.

Syn wrote: ↑Wed Jun 09, 2021 9:55 pm
Kami wrote: ↑Wed Jun 09, 2021 9:47 pm Syn kinda of has to be a wolf though right?
you could vote me and probably convince at least three other people to vote me too

Why because it’ll throw attention off of Nanook to you which your never getting yeeted today and it’ll just instantly make Deli the yeet.

Kami wrote: ↑Wed Jun 09, 2021 9:36 pm [VOTE: nanook] aubergine

Good Boy!

Kami wrote: ↑Wed Jun 09, 2021 9:35 pm
Gavial wrote: ↑Wed Jun 09, 2021 9:25 pm
Kami wrote: ↑Wed Jun 09, 2021 9:21 pm Pretty sure deli is just town
So do you think Nanook is the scum then?
Im not sure i dont really town read esooa either

But you were voting Nanook for most of this game WTH!

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Jun 09, 2021 9:34 pm Using a precious post to point out that I meant "by snipping" not "butt snipping"

That’s not precious.
You know what’s precious?
Voting Nanook!
If your is bud, Buss em!

Remember. I’m scary! Wolves should bow before me!

Syn wrote: ↑Wed Jun 09, 2021 9:33 pm but Creature, what if Nanook and Mac are hoodwinking all of us!!!

You mean if the team I suggested you to be a part of us hoodwinking at us along with you hoodwinking at us as well?

Fuck it! Ima do it!

[VOTE: Nanook] aubergine
@Esooa
@Kami
@Marmot
@Creature
@Deli
@MacDougall
@Wiml

Everyone go into my ISO and Look at my thoughts regarding Nanook.
Not gonna bother pinging Syn because Y’know.

Kami wrote: ↑Wed Jun 09, 2021 9:21 pm Pretty sure deli is just town

So do you think Nanook is the scum then?

Also if I remember when someone mentioned about scum having a check I think Nanook was the first to mention they also have an option to gain knowledge of the unused role.

I’m at the verge where I think Nanook and Syn are scum and their partner is Marmot or Mac.

Marmot wrote: ↑Wed Jun 09, 2021 8:57 pm If Deli flips wolf today, and we flip town in tomorrow's yeet, there will be two nightkills tomorrow night, leaving 5 alive on Day 5 with two wolves left. One of them will be obvious, but that still puts us in a F3 situation.

If Deli doesn't flip wolf today, we'll cross that bridge when we get there.

If Deli flips Town and Nanook is wolf we legit lose.
And Syn wants to fuckin hammer.

[VOTE: Unvote] aubergine

Syn wrote: ↑Wed Jun 09, 2021 8:54 pm I want to hammer tbh

[unvote]
Nope

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 11:58 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 11:58 am
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 11:53 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 11:43 am I mean they're an uncced jk claim its not great to kill them today lol

Unless you're gonna cc you should probably move
what if I were to tell you I don't believe the claim
Depends on if you're also telling you're ccing
hard claim NOT ccing

They never fuckin CC’ed.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 12:00 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 11:58 am
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 11:57 am
Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 11:57 am
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 11:53 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 11:43 am I mean they're an uncced jk claim its not great to kill them today lol

Unless you're gonna cc you should probably move
what if I were to tell you I don't believe the claim

I'd disagree with you until you provide a reason.
the reason is I think deli is lying

I pulled up an interaction that explains Deli's behavior earlier. Could you please respond to it and why you think it isn't one that comes from a JK?
because deli is like dead wrong on their team, their push on me is atrocious, and they're refusing to listen to reason with regards to syn. Wolves also know what role doesn't exist.

THIS
Is what they said.

I think if Nanook is scum and did put their partner between Marmot/Creature it’s probably Marmot.
But I don’t think a Nanook/Marmot/Mac team makes sense?
Maybe Marmot/Syn? IDK.

Which gives me hella paranoia that Mac/Syn will wiggle their way to victory.
Unless he did put his actual scum bud in the cop check to try and make them look good.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Jun 08, 2021 11:56 am [VOTE: kami] aubergine

See the only issue here Nanook is the fact they voted Kami.
I think HK was just deeply SRing Deli, they even gave the reasons why.
I feel like if they tracked Deli and knew they were lying they wouldn’t have stopped voting Deli and pulled what Syn pulled on Esooa regarding WimI but worse.
Like I think HK just never Unvoted Deli if they tracked Deli.

Deli being real JK looks like a way to ML PR instead of NKing them just saying.

I think I still stay on Deli here but I think in a scum!Nanook world he’s fine with dying and thinks his team can pull in a victory for him.

You would also yeet the JK instead of NKing them.
Which would make sense thus why scum probably hunted and killed tracker.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Jun 09, 2021 8:34 pm Like this should be fairly easy imo

Esooa didn't need to claim doc and doesn't gain much from doing so as mafia, so they're probably town

I didn't need to claim cop and put myself in an eventual 1v1 with esooa id be sure to lose, nothing can stop mafia me from NKing deli and esooa if they were town

Deli claimed at eod under pressure and their treatment of mac, their supposed target, doesn't track with someone who's actually a jk

If im mafia, I sacced myself for no reason. If esooa is mafia, she sacced herself unnecessarily. If deli is mafia they made the correct play.

But you can lose?
If you play it correctly you still get 1 free ML.
So your death doesn’t matter if the other 2 mafia can carry on in your legacy.

Like if Doc and JK Outs.
Tracker Flips.
I wonder what the fuckin unused PR is!!!???
Hmmmmmm.
Maybe fuckin Cop.
So then you claim Cop and claim 2 Townies have different alignments to set up ML’s for the win.
Also partner wise your most likely partners would be Syn and Mac so it would make sense you’d play it like this in that world.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Jun 09, 2021 8:30 pm
Gavial wrote: ↑Wed Jun 09, 2021 7:43 pm Like Nook!Scum would have zero risk in claiming Cop here.
Thats pretty obviously not true lol, claiming cop after the tracker was NKed makes no sense as scum

Quite the opposite.
Tracker was the only PR that wasn’t claimed.
Ignoring you of course.

Reeee

Thing is Mac strangely hit a TR on Nanook Day 1 then randomly 180’ed on them.
Mac and Nanook also are Syn’s biggest defenders.

I swear to fuckin god if it’s Nanook/Mac/Syn

Like Nook!Scum would have zero risk in claiming Cop here.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 09, 2021 5:49 pm Deli's Nook world.

3 town flips. Healthy game state for mafia Nook.

Nook decides to out himself by fake claiming cop so he can chop exactly Deli and Marmot in order to win the game.

As opposed to just ... not doing that?

If Nook is fake then the real PR will out. You should be pushing Esooa but you aren't. Cuz you know you can't.

But all the PR’s have already outed.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Jun 09, 2021 6:20 pm If you don't believe im real you should be voting me

If you do believe im real you have two 50/50s to choose from

So uh

Yeah that's a pretty shitty vote and approach

What if your uncertain but wanna do a 1V1 Trade.
Like I vote Deli but if they flip Town I death tunnel you kinda thing.

Deli wrote: ↑Wed Jun 09, 2021 5:36 pm Kami/Mac v/w makes a lot of sense too tbh

Ok so they are both V if you flip W.
Got it!

If Nanook is the fake one, Marmot/Creature could both be Town.

Thought you didn’t trust Nanook that much.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 09, 2021 5:24 pm [VOTE: Marmot] aubergine

Why VT/Maf over PR/Maf?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Jun 09, 2021 12:43 pm I think deli is the mafia in that difference check, hk vote and calling out could be cause they tracked and didn't see them go anywhere n1, coupled with hk nk, I think points towards deli

Oh you trying to frame them but we will see what Deli flips.

Still hesitate because Nanook could be scum.
Thus if Deli flips Town I’m omega voting Nanook into a death tunnel tomorrow.

Actually wait.
What makes you the real PR and why can’t you be scum fake claiming Parity Cop since Esooa and Deli already claimed and HK flipped.

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