The Syndicate

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 12:46 pm
Gavial wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 10:13 pm @Jackofhearts2005
There you go Jack, I’m giving you advice on how to fool me.
But I didn’t need to fool you.

Ah so you want to die.
Your gonna pull the “where’s my buddies?” Card eh.
I’ve done that before and won so I’m curious to see how you approach that.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Sep 12, 2021 12:26 am How to fool gav step one claim a crazy role and also claim that someone else who is ~lock town is a crazy role and a wolf

Well technically if the person has detection immunity or someone roleblocker Dyson then Rondo could be wolf.

I’m a sucker for those “deep wolf alert” kinda deals.
Especially if he just randomly kills LC too.

@Jackofhearts2005
There you go Jack, I’m giving you advice on how to fool me.

Then killed me during the night going into the same F4 as today was.

Although maybe not entirely that claim as it probably just a 1 for 1 trade but you get my point. He could have sold me on Rondo.

Huh I don’t actually know what to think now.
That claim from Jack might make sense.

Like if he would to come in and be like.
“Hold on Gavial! It’s actually Rondo!”.

I’m 2-Shot JOAT.
Have 3 abilities but can only use 2.
Have Motion Detector, Modifier Checker and Roleblocker.

Checked Rondo and he has detection immunity modifier.
He also moved last night.

The check he has on himself is false Gavial! You gotta believe me!

It’s like either this happened or it was TSP and Jack gone instantly.
Because if I would have ended my vote with TSP, Jack never makes it out of the next day alive unless he had a god tier (2-shot) claim.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 9:44 pm Nice endgame Jack! No way I was getting there on you when you could've won the game a RD earlier.

Sorry Gav.

Mafia, no matter what, has both elements of strategy and luck. Jack voting TSP the RD before when he could've won the game that RD by simply tying the vote with me & TSP made it impossible for me to flip him before Ender or LC.

Sure, I could've sheeped you on Jack...but then if I sheeped you on TSP the game is over anyways. So what's the difference?

Thanks for the host! GG Maf

Well yeah it was basically town wins or mafia wins.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 5:54 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 4:57 pm Gg to Mafia! Made the moves you needed to make and even though you had some situations that could have swung you wildly in the town’s direction, you held fast and took advantage.

Also lol that jack was the buzzer on all mafia getting lynched in this game
Sheep me my reads are great. :wowee:

Idk man. Falcon and LC sheeping me wins this game.
But you and TSP got rid of me to make that not happen.
But the reason I was rid of was actually because of me and my dumb move at the end lol.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 5:55 pm
Gavial wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 5:00 pm
Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 4:57 pm Gg to Mafia! Made the moves you needed to make and even though you had some situations that could have swung you wildly in the town’s direction, you held fast and took advantage.

Also lol that jack was the buzzer on all mafia getting lynched in this game
I mean Jack voted Sean because Sean was going over anyway and Jack wanted Town Credit.
Jack voted TSP because Jack was probably tired from work and didn’t really pay that much attention to what was happening. (Maybe he thought TSP already had 2 votes on them? IDK.)
For the record, I planned to switch at the buzzer so the vote on TSP was intended to be for show.

Ah that makes more sense then.

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 5:20 pm

Well, here's a basic-ish winner banner I made. If you would like a different style or whatever feel free to bug me, otherwise it should do.

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@Jackofhearts2005
@TonyStarkPrime
@Seanzie

I think it’s great even though it’s theirs. Maybe 3 instead of 4 Smiles would be better but I’m not the one that should care it’s there choice.

I will admit there were some things that he did that were alright. But when Like he said he had a Town read on me and it just suddenly faded kinda irritated me.

NGL I had fun playing with him in the beginning but later on he felt very like even more obvious to me it was like getting irritating me and I just wanted to vote him out because he was wolfing so much he didn’t even attempt to show me off and try and pull a play off.

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 5:05 pm
Gavial wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 4:46 pm I’m still a bit salty because I KNOW Jack could have played well better and didn’t so I don’t think this win is well deserved.
So, uh, what do you think he deserved?

To lose? Kinda hard to not lose if you don't win, and yet the mafia have mechanically won.

I understand being salty but I don't understand deciding who deserves what for other players here, as a player yourself, nor do I really understand effort being related to "deserving" a win especially when it comes to being the Big-Bad-Evil-Guy(TM). If you're disappointed by the level of perceived overall level play (or perceived difficulty for one side or another) in this game, then I suggest that perhaps this is not really a suitable game to attach personal worth/meaning/value to winning or losing here.

No he won. But I wouldn’t say he won where it was all
Him in.
Allot had to do with Luck, Lack of Question and Coming in at good times.
He could have done allot more and because he didn’t it disappointed me because It was like “obvious scum.” And nothing even made me think to change that and the fact he won the game without a claim also shows that in the end he was going up against people that were busy IRL so it was easier (luckier) on him to receive the win.

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 4:59 pm As I said in spec chat- I am not convinced I would have completely got there in f4 of jack being bad, and it all had to do with the fact that the person that looked the most likely to get NK’d was also protected the night mafia didn’t kill, so the WIFOM was killing me. Jack was the titular busser on his team and he played well

I gotten there once Nanook flipped Green.
I was like Nanook scum.
Nanook flips Green.
Well shit time to re-eval.

Ok.
TSP goes from Town Read to Scum Read pretty quickly.
Jack goes from Nullish to Scum Read pretty fast.

Then I look into Jack more and it made more sense.
I also explained some of this I had in the neighborhood with @falcon45ca

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 4:57 pm Gg to Mafia! Made the moves you needed to make and even though you had some situations that could have swung you wildly in the town’s direction, you held fast and took advantage.

Also lol that jack was the buzzer on all mafia getting lynched in this game

I mean Jack voted Sean because Sean was going over anyway and Jack wanted Town Credit.
Jack voted TSP because Jack was probably tired from work and didn’t really pay that much attention to what was happening. (Maybe he thought TSP already had 2 votes on them? IDK.)

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 4:46 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 4:43 pm I probably wouldn't have been so antagonistic towards you if I hadn't felt like you'd added my name to thepool for no reason lmao
Nah you kinda had every right to be with me at least.

Pretty sure he’s referring to me and the Him/TSP.
But feel free to sheep my reads whenever your wish!

Way better*

I’m still a bit salty because I KNOW Jack could have played well better and didn’t so I don’t think this win is well deserved.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 4:43 pm Felt like classic expand the poe

Understandable.

Technically there was a world where Ender was scum with LC/Falcon but I already evaluated Jack as lock scum so that world was removed.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 4:43 pm I probably wouldn't have been so antagonistic towards you if I hadn't felt like you'd added my name to thepool for no reason lmao

It was based on Jack.
He could only be associated as buddies with TSP or you.
No one else.

I should have just stick to the plan and voted TSP and if he flips green we vote Ender and if he flips Red we get Jack

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 4:39 pm I shouldn't have given in to paranoia and just voted TSP second last day

Yeah and I had the same problem.
I was paranoid it was you and not TSP.
(So even though I had a plan that would remove both of you.)
I really REALLY wanted to get out Jack because he was my for sure scum

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 4:38 pm Tbh I would've considered moving if Falc did

Yeah I was really hoping @falcon45ca would quick vote Jack and you’d join him

I wonder what TSP would have done if me, him and Ender voted Jack out.
If he won after voting Jack out I’ll give him play of the year award because technically he’d have to push both me and Ender.

But nope.
If you stayed and voted tsp though Ender then Jack wouldn’t have won because the only thing saving him is “If I was scum I could have voted Falcon and won.”

I think if that was the case he would have gotten quick voted and Jack would have lost but it’s like funny enough Jack gets voted but it doesn’t do anything so like, next time I’m just gonna push whom I believe is scum instantly so it’s not a late vote.
I just don’t wanna get too tunnelled on it but I’ll still try and push them as hard as I can in hopes people vote with me.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 4:32 pm I probably could've tried salvaging something but eh. Ngl my wim was kind burnt

I was hoping you and Falcon were gonna quick vote him today.
When you guys voted Skip I was like “Yes! Maybe you’ll figure it out guys!”.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Sep 08, 2021 12:57 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Sep 08, 2021 11:33 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Sep 06, 2021 7:05 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Sep 06, 2021 5:34 pm Imma sheep Gav here

[VOTE: TSP] aubergine
Gav said I’m town
Cuz there's this

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Sep 08, 2021 11:33 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Sep 06, 2021 8:27 pm also fwiw sheeping gav is bad in general
And then this
Hypocrisy is a staple of the townie playbook

^
:/

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 5:19 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 3:52 pm If I’m clearing all teams with Ender on them I think Jack is always a wolf
Who am I a wolf with then?

LC? Falcon?

Like, Gav was right about one thing and it's that I'm clearly antialigned with everyone but you and Ender.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 6:34 pm well you're most antialigned with me and ender though so that's the secondary problem

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Sep 06, 2021 7:07 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 06, 2021 5:04 pm 4 vs 2.

Actually, we mechanically do sleep here. Except Ilario is confirmed so wolves just shoot there and 3 vs 2 is harder.

Bottom line, we yeet wrong today and we lose. And I’m not feeling very confident in anything.
Not only that, Falcon’s ability could lose in lylo if he’s a wolf which I don’t /think?/ is likely but like whatever

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 06, 2021 7:24 pm I'm still just super frustrated with Gav. Like....go back and read his case on me. It's all circular logic and flat incorrect shit. Yet, his entire worldview was built on that. Really just fucked up yesterday and fucks up today.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Sep 06, 2021 7:27 pm Not like "halp me not get yeeted" cause I'll do that on my own but like "halp, I'm so lost after these misyeets and idk where there could be a 2 player wolfteam atp but at least I know you're town so just generally halp me find the wolves"

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Sep 06, 2021 8:27 pm also fwiw sheeping gav is bad in general

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Sep 07, 2021 1:06 am I still think Jack/Ender is decently unlikely, Jack is more likely wolf. He could have coached Falcon, but I said that team didn’t work for some reason yesterday. Lime/Jack makes Jack’s slam vote on Sean make sense but Ender says Lime kills Ender which like idk. So then Ender/Lime and Ender/Falcon, Ender/Falcon is too tricky I think, just based on my reasonable certainty of how decent I am at reading Falcon, Ender/Lime?? Solves the Ender problem, I think it’s a reasonable conclusion. Lime/Falcon probably same as Falcon/Ender but actually Ender/Lime probably can get Rondo to go over on N1 now that I think about it. Lime/Jack then, D1 play for Falcon to go over was foiled by me saving falcon, Jack couldn’t push through, took the lesser of two busses. Jack probably still fits on more teams, he should go first I guess. I’m in bed and gonna sleep on it, this has been ramblings with tsp

Also if anyone read the TSP and Jack interact like LOL.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 4:23 pm
Gavial wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 4:21 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 4:20 pm GG.

I played so well Day 1 and then every day after that I just got lost. I was trying to read the game and I kept blanking out on everything.

Sorry guys, I was horrible overall.
Hey.
At least you and Falcon town read each other the entire game after I told you guys to.
Yeahhhh and I let you go over and didn't sheep you on Jack.

Sorry.

It’s all good.
You were inactive and weren’t there. You probably got busy.

I mean is plan would you probably be to ignored anyone who asks him for his role but still

Still don’t like how Jack won with a claim of “2-Shot None of your Business.”
Did no one think to like ask Jack for his role?

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat Sep 11, 2021 4:20 pm GG.

I played so well Day 1 and then every day after that I just got lost. I was trying to read the game and I kept blanking out on everything.

Sorry guys, I was horrible overall.

Hey.
At least you and Falcon town read each other the entire game after I told you guys to.

1 Min!

Go Jack quick!

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Sep 05, 2021 3:59 pm vote: gav on the omgus rule

No, vote Jack

@EnderWiggin
@TonyStarkPrime

Quickly let’s all vote Jack!

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Sep 05, 2021 3:57 pm gav self pres is bad smh

Fine then follow me on Jack.

Maybe jail Ender.
IDK
Both Tony and Ender have been scum in their own rights but they share the most and ton of scum equity with Jack.
So IDK

Actually just in case Tony is scum I’m voting there so he doesn’t self press.
@falcon45ca
Actually Maybe don’t use your ability we should get Jack tomorrow.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Sep 05, 2021 3:54 pm Would Gav case Jack here as scum. It's not a great case but still

I probably wouldn’t have bothered.
As scum I wouldn’t have cared to appeal to Tony.

My issues is I think Rondo could actually be with Jack but I don’t want to think of that.
It’s like it’s a low chance so IDK.

Best to remove Jack and go from there.

It’s Jack and one of you or Tony.
That’s literally where I’ve been at since Day 3!

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Sep 05, 2021 3:52 pm Stop Jacking off

Lol

@falcon45ca
If I flip, use your ability on Tony and push Jack.

Jack Jack jack

In some god forsaken world where Rondo somehow blocked Dyson it’s him and Jack.

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