The Syndicate

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Mar 20, 2021 5:27 pm @Ratrug can you explain your Esooa read in more detail?

BoKnows wrote: ↑Sat Mar 20, 2021 4:48 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Mar 20, 2021 4:45 pm

BoKnows wrote: ↑Sat Mar 20, 2021 4:44 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Mar 20, 2021 3:01 pm

Ratrug wrote: ↑Sat Mar 20, 2021 2:33 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Mar 20, 2021 2:00 pm @Ratrug what do you think of Nanook?

Pocket attempt denied

Nah just kidding. I went back to read his posts and I was pretty null for the most part and I’m leaning town and hears why.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 11:00 am

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 9:16 am No reread GtH

Alison v
BoKnows v
Esooa v
falcon45ca v
fingersplints v
Kylemii v
Long Con v
MartinGG99 v
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME w
Quin w
Ratrug w
Seanzie v
ts account v

Guessing I messed up somewhere fsr

Quin is one of my strongest townreads

So this is a big swing and a miss

When you come back, can you tell us your reads actually?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 3:26 pm So here's the deal

I'm pretty close to passing out

I don't particularly scumread esooa but my vote is kinda pinned cause I do townresd falcon

So if we could find a third option jn the next, idk, 10 minutes, that would be ideal

I was right for the wrong reasons that he wasn’t on the Falcon wagon. It wasn’t he was actively wanting to lynch anyone else it’s just he read Falcon town. He wasn’t even on Esooa either. He kinda just forced his hand.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 3:46 pm Ok i actually am gonna pass out now

Kill mafia so I can take credit tomorrow plz

Like he should know how bad this looks, if he comes back and Esooa is lynched and dies, he’s not gonna look extremely excellent. He’s also town reading me, but nobody is really looking into it either. It would be easy to call me scum, but he goes out of his way to say I’m town. Unless he’s just hamming up being a bad mafia player, but I think he has a lot more self awareness than he’s letting on.

Is this TMI?

Ratrug mentions this in a post right afterwards trying to dismiss it as not TMI. I almost think that is worse since I think Town!Ratrug would be less likely than Scum!Ratrug to realize they said something that looks like TMI.

I'm not seeing what you're seeing

It seems like he knows Esooa is going to flip green.

Gotcha. Yeah it does look like he knows that esooa is going to flip green. Yeah wow that's really suspect.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Mar 20, 2021 2:00 pm @Ratrug what do you think of Nanook?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 11:00 am

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 9:16 am No reread GtH

Alison v
BoKnows v
Esooa v
falcon45ca v
fingersplints v
Kylemii v
Long Con v
MartinGG99 v
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME w
Quin w
Ratrug w
Seanzie v
ts account v

Guessing I messed up somewhere fsr

Quin is one of my strongest townreads

So this is a big swing and a miss

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 3:26 pm So here's the deal

I'm pretty close to passing out

I don't particularly scumread esooa but my vote is kinda pinned cause I do townresd falcon

So if we could find a third option jn the next, idk, 10 minutes, that would be ideal

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 3:46 pm Ok i actually am gonna pass out now

Kill mafia so I can take credit tomorrow plz

ts account wrote: ↑Sat Mar 20, 2021 1:25 pm

BoKnows wrote: ↑Sat Mar 20, 2021 10:58 am

ts account wrote: ↑Sat Mar 20, 2021 3:07 am I can see a ratrug team killing c4 /shrug

Can you expand on this thought please?

not much to expand on, c4 just ended on ratrug

BoKnows wrote: ↑Sat Mar 20, 2021 1:32 pm

ts account wrote: ↑Sat Mar 20, 2021 1:28 pm

Ratrug wrote: ↑Sat Mar 20, 2021 1:10 pm My town buddy @ts account what’re your thoughts currently

pocket attempt denied

good catch

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Mar 20, 2021 12:53 pm

Ratrug wrote: ↑Sat Mar 20, 2021 12:29 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 6:19 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 2:36 pm Why is Ratrug self voting? Pretty reactionary response to Alison's shade

This doesn't look teamed with Ratrug.

Maybe I'm wrong on Rat.

@Ratrug why did you not vote at the EOD? Why not self pres?

Self pres? I also just learned anti-spew today as well. I didn’t vote at the EOD because I was getting flak for my self vote. Even if I voted, would that have mad much of a difference though?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 8:32 pm Okay, Falcon's ISO was way shorter than I thought it was going to be, so idk why I didn't just read it yesterday after the flip.

Takeaways: First, Falcon talks a lot to Kyle and LC, and very little to anyone else. I see now what people were saying about LC, it looks like Falcon is trying to shade LC for most of the day. Similarly, I think Falcon wanted to shade BK, probably due to the interactions BK and I had early in the day. I'd guess LC and BK are both not teamed with Falcon. Kyle is also probably not, but this I am less confident than LC or BK.

Martin mentions that BK looks towny, and Falcon seems to try to change Martin's mind, and that interaction looks like Falcon is trying to manipulate a towny rather than talking to a teammate, so I think that is a point for Martin.

Someone said Falcon/Nanook interactions looked good for Nook I think, but I disagree. I could easily see the "hubris" conversation being an attempt at distancing. It looks like Falcon and Nook are disagreeing, but almost no actual shade is being thrown around (I mean, Falcon says hubris is not a townie trait, but more-or-less clarifies that it is a trait that is anti-town for a towny to have, NOT that townies don't have the trait). I

Falcon's last post is about Ratrug self voting. Kind of a tinfoil, but I wonder if this is not Falcon getting upset that an afk teammate has a vote in a place that makes it so that Falcon can't save himself. Granted, Ratrug ended up not voting, so I'm not sure this makes sense.

Falcon had 0 interactions with Quin or FingerSplints. Not sure what that means. If you told me one of those two was a wolf though, I would lean towards Quin GTH.

Based just on Falcon's ISO, I'd put the game at something like this:

LC
BK

Martin
Kyle

Everyone else

Ratrug

Nanook

I think your reasoning on me is bad to be honest, seems like fence sitting to me. Plus, I don’t remember you have a scum opinion on me on Day 1 earlier, and I seem to be pretty high on your POE all of a sudden.

Considering it seemed like either me or Falcon yesterday, made sense for him to try and shade me to make me look bad. Who was the one who advocated for BK, and or me, more over Falcon?

That isn't my PoE, that is how I think people look based solely on Falcon's ISO. If there is any evidence of teaming in Falcon's ISO, I think it points to either you or Nook. I'm not sold on these things, which is why you are barely even orange, not a deep red. Someone said Falcon's post about you paints you as anti-teamed, but I disagree.

I didn't have a scum read on you D1, and I don't really remember having much opinion about you at all since you haven't posted much content. Again, this is a sorting of players based on Falcon's ISO, not a holistic picture of the events up to this point. Maybe I'll sort people based on that later today if I have time, but that takes a lot more work, unless I just do it GTH.

Did it seem like it was either you or Falcon? Esooa and BK both reached at least 3 votes at points relatively near EoD, and Falcon didn't self-press onto you, so I'd put your wagon at at least 4th, and since your wagon was at least half-pure, your wagon could fit as a second wolf-wagon that Falcon didn't want to go for.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 10:05 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 9:37 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 9:34 pm also, i didn't vote for you as a joke, i voted for you to create pressure between you and Seanzie

did you get what you were looking for? seanzie hasn't talked to me much. how does he factor in?

it's been like 2 hours that's not how vote pressure works lol

Esooa wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 6:55 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 6:53 pm Esooa, why does a nanook team leave you alive?

idk why any team kills c4

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 6:57 pm falcon and seanzie both independently used the phrase "don't respond 'well' to peer pressure" and it's been bothering me cus that's like.... that's nothing right. is it an anime thing

BoKnows wrote: ↑Sat Mar 20, 2021 12:33 pm

Ratrug wrote: ↑Sat Mar 20, 2021 12:29 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 6:19 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 2:36 pm Why is Ratrug self voting? Pretty reactionary response to Alison's shade

This doesn't look teamed with Ratrug.

Maybe I'm wrong on Rat.

@Ratrug why did you not vote at the EOD? Why not self pres?

Self pres? I also just learned anti-spew today as well. I didn’t vote at the EOD because I was getting flak for my self vote. Even if I voted, would that have mad much of a difference though?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 8:32 pm Okay, Falcon's ISO was way shorter than I thought it was going to be, so idk why I didn't just read it yesterday after the flip.

Takeaways: First, Falcon talks a lot to Kyle and LC, and very little to anyone else. I see now what people were saying about LC, it looks like Falcon is trying to shade LC for most of the day. Similarly, I think Falcon wanted to shade BK, probably due to the interactions BK and I had early in the day. I'd guess LC and BK are both not teamed with Falcon. Kyle is also probably not, but this I am less confident than LC or BK.

Martin mentions that BK looks towny, and Falcon seems to try to change Martin's mind, and that interaction looks like Falcon is trying to manipulate a towny rather than talking to a teammate, so I think that is a point for Martin.

Someone said Falcon/Nanook interactions looked good for Nook I think, but I disagree. I could easily see the "hubris" conversation being an attempt at distancing. It looks like Falcon and Nook are disagreeing, but almost no actual shade is being thrown around (I mean, Falcon says hubris is not a townie trait, but more-or-less clarifies that it is a trait that is anti-town for a towny to have, NOT that townies don't have the trait). I

Falcon's last post is about Ratrug self voting. Kind of a tinfoil, but I wonder if this is not Falcon getting upset that an afk teammate has a vote in a place that makes it so that Falcon can't save himself. Granted, Ratrug ended up not voting, so I'm not sure this makes sense.

Falcon had 0 interactions with Quin or FingerSplints. Not sure what that means. If you told me one of those two was a wolf though, I would lean towards Quin GTH.

Based just on Falcon's ISO, I'd put the game at something like this:

LC
BK

Martin
Kyle

Everyone else

Ratrug

Nanook

I think your reasoning on me is bad to be honest, seems like fence sitting to me. Plus, I don’t remember you have a scum opinion on me on Day 1 earlier, and I seem to be pretty high on your POE all of a sudden.

Considering it seemed like either me or Falcon yesterday, made sense for him to try and shade me to make me look bad. Who was the one who advocated for BK, and or me, more over Falcon?

While you're here let me try to pick your brain a little bit.

Your top 3 town?
Out of Seanzie, and Quin who would you want to flip?

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 6:19 pm

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 2:36 pm Why is Ratrug self voting? Pretty reactionary response to Alison's shade

This doesn't look teamed with Ratrug.

Maybe I'm wrong on Rat.

@Ratrug why did you not vote at the EOD? Why not self pres?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Mar 19, 2021 8:32 pm Okay, Falcon's ISO was way shorter than I thought it was going to be, so idk why I didn't just read it yesterday after the flip.

Takeaways: First, Falcon talks a lot to Kyle and LC, and very little to anyone else. I see now what people were saying about LC, it looks like Falcon is trying to shade LC for most of the day. Similarly, I think Falcon wanted to shade BK, probably due to the interactions BK and I had early in the day. I'd guess LC and BK are both not teamed with Falcon. Kyle is also probably not, but this I am less confident than LC or BK.

Martin mentions that BK looks towny, and Falcon seems to try to change Martin's mind, and that interaction looks like Falcon is trying to manipulate a towny rather than talking to a teammate, so I think that is a point for Martin.

Someone said Falcon/Nanook interactions looked good for Nook I think, but I disagree. I could easily see the "hubris" conversation being an attempt at distancing. It looks like Falcon and Nook are disagreeing, but almost no actual shade is being thrown around (I mean, Falcon says hubris is not a townie trait, but more-or-less clarifies that it is a trait that is anti-town for a towny to have, NOT that townies don't have the trait). I

Falcon's last post is about Ratrug self voting. Kind of a tinfoil, but I wonder if this is not Falcon getting upset that an afk teammate has a vote in a place that makes it so that Falcon can't save himself. Granted, Ratrug ended up not voting, so I'm not sure this makes sense.

Falcon had 0 interactions with Quin or FingerSplints. Not sure what that means. If you told me one of those two was a wolf though, I would lean towards Quin GTH.

Based just on Falcon's ISO, I'd put the game at something like this:

LC
BK

Martin
Kyle

Everyone else

Ratrug

Nanook

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 4:51 pm I think I'm going to call C4 probably town. Feels like it took me awhile to get there though and I have no clue why that is.

fingersplints wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 4:36 pm

Ratrug wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 4:19 pm
Respect. So based on my wagon, who do you think is most town to least town

Most town to least town - Alison to you

Though IF you were lynched and flipped town, then that is when I would think back on your interactions. Not just who voted for you, although I would question that too, but also who defended you because maybe they are mafia who knew you were town.

Day 1 votes are obviously always the worst because we are working with the least amount of information possible.

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 3:28 pm Ratrug ignored my very polite request to have them tell me accurately the names of the mafia members. Must be scum.

fingersplints wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 3:42 pm

Ratrug wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 3:26 pm

fingersplints wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 3:24 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 3:15 pm

fingersplints wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 3:05 pm I love how confident you guys are on some of your reads. I’m so distrusting. I’m over here probably leaning town on a couple people, some slight suspicion, but a lot of question marks still.

my mumma always told me "fake it till u make it"

actually she didn't, but that's still good advice anyway.

will you elaborate on those reads?

Just what I’ve mentioned that I think the seanzie/Alison is town/town and I am mistrusting of the ts vote on the Falcon wagon. There is obviously more mafia than my suspicion so if I had to guess another right now I don’t like ratrug’s low content/self vote.
I’m hoping the results of this lynch will help to make me feel either way about some of those ?

What would it help you with?

Well finding out someone’s alignment allows us to go through the thread to reread their interactions/suspicions/etc
So as of right now I have a lot of question marks, but if I know someone other than my alignment it might help me decide how I feel about more people

fingersplints wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 3:24 pm

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 3:15 pm

fingersplints wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 3:05 pm I love how confident you guys are on some of your reads. I’m so distrusting. I’m over here probably leaning town on a couple people, some slight suspicion, but a lot of question marks still.

my mumma always told me "fake it till u make it"

actually she didn't, but that's still good advice anyway.

will you elaborate on those reads?

Just what I’ve mentioned that I think the seanzie/Alison is town/town and I am mistrusting of the ts vote on the Falcon wagon. There is obviously more mafia than my suspicion so if I had to guess another right now I don’t like ratrug’s low content/self vote.
I’m hoping the results of this lynch will help to make me feel either way about some of those ?

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 3:13 pm i was gonna vote quin as a semi-joke but decided against it midway through, but now i don't actually remember where my vote even was before
so [VOTE: quin] aubergine

fingersplints wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 3:01 pm I don’t like the self vote either. I mean if you are town, then you know that is the only bad vote you could cast. So if they are town it’s really not helpful

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 2:59 pm [VOTE: Ratrug] aubergine

ISO has 6 posts. Naked bee claim, beetlejuice, self defense + shading me, "I haven't read anything" + self vote, self defense, either a NAI meta question or an attempt at casting shade.

No townie posts. No attempt at solving.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 2:37 am seanzie is right that many of alison's reads are reliant on her read on him, which is an unusual amount of confidence for of a day 1 read. if alison is mafia and seanzie town, alison benefits from this by putting in work that ends up not mattering nor pushing the game forward, needing to be redone.

seanzie's point's about alison possibly lucking into a correct scumread on the people she's connected him to due to her read on him, seems inconsistent with the idea that seanzie also suspects alison

Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 2:29 am @BoKnows
@c4e5g3d5
@falcon45ca
@fingersplints
@MartinGG99
@Quin
@Ratrug
@ts account

I am mandating that you vote someone when you see this

Most preferably within

"BoKnows
Falcon
Ratrun
TS account

Nanook if you're feeling spicy"

Alison wrote: ↑Thu Mar 18, 2021 12:19 am

Ratrug wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 11:54 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 9:10 pm Ratrug and ts account are in the appropriate position to be the third mafia.

Why is that?

Because I believe the first two mafia are BK and Seanzie, and if BK and Seanzie are mafia then they entered the thread by loudly distancing. And if they entered the thread by loudly distancing it suggests that their third member is afk and probably someone neither of them know. You and ts account fit that bill; for instance I don't think BK and Seanzie would play this day the way they did if Esooa or Nanook was the third. fingersplints is a candidate but they're sufficiently townie that they aren't my highest suspect.

Now this relies on a few assumptions so I wasn't as confident that it had to be exactly you two. But luckily your beetlejuice has affirmed my suspicions on you, so I feel good that I'm on the right track.

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Mar 17, 2021 9:10 pm Ratrug and ts account are in the appropriate position to be the third mafia.