The Syndicate

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:27 pm hey illario, what are ur current feeling about lc? u still think he's a wolf?

I hate to say this and be wrong, but as I’m reading through his wall posts I still think he is. I think he tends to take the busywork approach when he’s being fossed as a wolf whereas as town his solving is moreso focussed on live interactions and engaging with people

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 12:24 am

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 12:22 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 12:21 am

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 12:17 am Illario spends a lot of time trying to get JJJ, Sloonei, and Dizzy all to come under some scrutiny. This could be based as town because Illario tries to find deep wolves in most games.

Why does mafia ilario do this here?

I said underneath it that he would basically try to pull stronger towns into the POE to have MLs available.

Since they're kinda coring up if all of them are town.

He wouldn't want to be boxed in so he would try to force some room.

I did not feel like he pushed hard enough for that to be the case. And beyond that, I thought his suspicion of me looked authentic. But let’s ask @ilario how he currently feels anout sloonei/jjj/dizzy.

You’re free to read this as a pocket attempt: but it will take a miracle for me to vote dizzy this game. Even if the watcher claims dizzy visited spf I would first thing that the watcher is lying or dizzy is a sw than believe that dizzy is mafia

You/jjj are fair game to me and I’m still trying to sort you both out. You both have had decent solving today but not something I’d imagine either of you would fail to replicate as a wolf. I think you are approaching me with an open mind at the very least and trying to understand my POV, which bodes well for you

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 12:17 am

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Johanna wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:38 am I still don't know where you get your reads from.

I lowkey want to get chopped to see your reaction but my guess is that you will be unfazed by failure.

Ughhhhh, a "pop the ego balloon" post. I townread these because I do the same thing.

Illario thinks the same thing on the same page. Dammit, are you town?

Johanna wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:02 am I don't think NAA is scum but he's definitely just taken a solidly anti-town position

Spoiler: show

which is hilarious

Spoiler: show

and tragic.

Totally NAI but I'm having fun reading Johanna using the spoiler gimmicks. Can we keep her around for a while?

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Illario spends a lot of time trying to get JJJ, Sloonei, and Dizzy all to come under some scrutiny. This could be based as town because Illario tries to find deep wolves in most games.
At the same time this could easily be a mafia trying to bring MLs into the POE.

Marmot votes Sloonei after Illario states slight sus of him.

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ilario wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:57 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:49 am

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:45 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:43 am

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:40 am Lc, jjj, you, Dolby maybe (?), tsp if he’s not the watcher,

I would like to see you grill jjj harder

Is the top line a list of names you are uneasy about?

I feel no need to grill Jay at present. He is town until further notice.

Yup pmuch

Why have Jay and I slid in your view? Either individually or as the unit that we are.

Also I am interested in your Lime Coke thoughts.

Lc is probably scum tbh

You and jay mostly slid just because I found Johanna and NAA to be very towny today. At which point I reached a threshold of having too many townreads. At that point I asked myself who am I more likely to be misreading. On one hand I have players such as Johanna, naa, soa who seem relatively new to FM. On the other hand I have seasoned vets with a decade worth of experience who were are commanding voices in the game that’s leading us to a poe that I don’t feel all to comfortable with. At that point I figured it’s likely that I’m misreading someone in the latter.


I did not factor dizzy into this because dizzy is

.....

whut?

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 12:01 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:59 am

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:57 am
Lc is probably scum tbh

Kek

He was one of my very first srs btw

Incase you didn’t know

.....

Didn't you townread me Day 1?

I don’t think I ever voiced a tr on you?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:33 pm

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:26 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 9:24 pm

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 9:21 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 9:18 pm but in fairness, he also caught me in goc 2019.

sorry i worded that poorly

i meant, who here has caught jjj when he was a wolf

i know, that is what i was answering. i caught him in those two games.

the latter of the two just happened to be multiball where we were both mafia on opposite teams.

Can you go into what he did in those two games that made him look scummy to you? What’s the differences between his townplay and scum game ?

Not without digging into the archives. Mountain Mafia was more than a couple years ago. If my foggy memory is correct, there was an instance where I fundamentally disagreed with an argument he was making, and that was the final nail in the coffin. But I can’t recall much more than that, and I would not give that game too much weight given that it was so long ago.

My thought process when I caught him in the multiball game was more or less “Jay is playing like me. I am mafia. Therefore Jay is also mafia.” So not super helpful here.

Jay is playing like you this game, so if he flips mafia should I just assume that makes you mafia?

Some of his recent posts seem pretty decent to me though at a first glance however I haven’t read anything properly in the last 4 pages

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Sep 15, 2021 12:54 am @ilario -

when you get the chance, could you please discuss your read on lime coke in more detail? it is true that you briefly engaged with lime coke about your concerns, (https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 18#p855818), accepted lime coke's explanation, (https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 33#p855833), and then brought up the exact same concern a dayphase later. is there anything else about lime coke that you find especially concerning?

the question here, i think, is whether or not it's wolfy for ilario to wolfread lime coke with that specific reasoning. given that:

A. illario had a pretty gradual build-up of suspicion of lime coke throughout his ISO

B. illario made other posts that implied his issues with lime coke extended beyond: "i don't like he outed his read on me" (https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 727#p85572)

C. illario tends to read other players based on how they are reading him

i do not think that his read on lime coke is inherently wolfy. it fits with whatever conception i have of what an "illario wolfread" looks like. i find it believable that the read could come from ilario as a villager, but it would help me a lot if he was more specific about his concerns

A) the sus wasn’t build up. It was there from the beginning, I just didn’t want to express it immediately because I hate it when people gang up on lc regardless of his alignment. I wanted him to settle into the game first to avoid any potential toxicity.

B) my other reasons are not anything unique to what’s already been said. I didn’t like when he mentioned there’s slots scummier than himself as a way to defend himself, but this has already been mentioned. And his initial tr on sloonei also felt awkward to me.

I’m similar to you in that I haven’t seen that eureka moment where lcs towniness hits me, and that usually happens fairly early when he’s town

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 9:24 pm

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 9:21 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 9:18 pm but in fairness, he also caught me in goc 2019.

sorry i worded that poorly

i meant, who here has caught jjj when he was a wolf

i know, that is what i was answering. i caught him in those two games.

the latter of the two just happened to be multiball where we were both mafia on opposite teams.

Can you go into what he did in those two games that made him look scummy to you? What’s the differences between his townplay and scum game ?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 9:48 pm

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 9:45 pm Like if he was a wolf I think he would try to come up with a more better and logical reason than to call me cute and cuddly as a reason to push me

Mafia usually want their logic to seem more “reasonable” and agreeable.

This is a valid point, but to counter it: when falcon has a meta of being contrarian/contesting everyone, I think he is less likely to give a crap about this sort of thing as mafia.

Okay thanks for that, back in the poe he goes lol

It would certainly make my life easier if he’s a wolf

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 9:47 pm

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 9:45 pm Like if he was a wolf I think he would try to come up with a more better and logical reason than to call me cute and cuddly as a reason to push me

Mafia usually want their logic to seem more “reasonable” and agreeable.

What's your reason to vote me?

Honestly it still goes back to my d1 ping of you and the way you handled my slot. Like when you called it dangerous for you to townlean me even though u didn’t say the same about other slots that are equally as dangerous felt odd to me. Like you’ve found me as town pretty consistently in recent times so I feel like town!you would be confident with your ability to read me by now

Tsp isn’t playing like how I’d imagine a clear with a potential wolf to be playing rn

That might be why the poe is making me uneasy

Like if he was a wolf I think he would try to come up with a more better and logical reason than to call me cute and cuddly as a reason to push me

Mafia usually want their logic to seem more “reasonable” and agreeable.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 9:34 pm Anyway @ilario I respect the hustle, and you should sort your feelings however you wish.

I’d be stoked if you could tell me what you think of my proposed solve though.

Hmmmm I think it’s a decent solve, I feel better on the first three names of each solve being hits

Falcons tunneling on me as much as I don’t understand it feels a little towny to me so idk about him anymore

(that is not named sloonei)

as in, who has experience with scum!jjj essentially is what im asking

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 9:18 pm but in fairness, he also caught me in goc 2019.

sorry i worded that poorly

i meant, who here has caught jjj when he was a wolf

I have an honest question:

Who here has actually caught jjj as a wolf?
I assume the only answer is probably sloonei given that jjj mentioned his last wolf game was 2.5 years ago. So yeah, idk I don’t feel very assured about people’s reads on him, especially because he was hyper aware of the fact that it’s been so long since he wolfed I don’t think he’s mentioned this fact in any of the other games I’ve seen him as town. The self consciousness of that fact alone pinged me somewhat

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 3:13 pm @ilario and @Dyslexicon could each of you please talk a bit about how you've found each other in this game and what has bolstered your confidence?

I was gonna answer this question and then I scrolled down and saw dizzys answer and he pretty much summed up how I was feeling

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 1:00 pm Also, I think my town reads are pretty much the same as Ilarios. And mine shifted before he wrote his (unless I just got sucked into it, but no). If Ilario is scum here I’ll eat a piece of clothing. Not really, but you get it

I’d actually be so devastated if u flip mafia here lol
in the sense that its been a while since I’ve twinned it up so much with someone in-game as far as uncanny mindmelds and vibe checks go

But if I were to misread anyone this game I’d gladly have it be you lol. Would be very impressed and say my ggies

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 12:46 pm There is a possibility that a fruit vendor and/or sleepwalker visited SPF last night too, so whichever mafia poisoned her isn't completely lost yet. I think the "given up posting" take is reasonable, if anyone actually fits that bill.

I assume fruit vendor would probably realise they should be picking scummy people to give fruits to so a watcher doesn’t get them in any reports

Sw is a possibility but in which case we will get a watcher report of 2 names with a potential to clear one of them

If he isn’t one of them I’d assume the mafia would just take him to be real though ?

Fact of the matter is, if tsp is real and someone is confirmed by him I feel like they would just have given up posting by now, and nobody in this lobby really fits that bill except maybe lc but I think he has irl reasons to not be present?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 12:18 pm

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 12:13 pm The source of the distrust was that 1. I found your opening shade of me to ping me 2. I found that jjj commenting that I would poison spf as something potentially he did as mafia to frame me 3. I felt like you were asking some questions just for the sake of asking questions and I couldn’t tell what direction you were going with those questions (eg who we thoufht the watcher report will be) 4. I still think lc is scummy so jjj taking him out of the poe yesterday pinged me

1. I don't remember shading you. I went back to read my early posts. If you are referring to this post, it was not meant as shade. I had no read on you one way or another at a time when others were announcing town reads on you. I wanted to know why that was happening.
2. Jay can answer that for himself if he wants.
3. Yeah I get that a lot. I'm going somewhere. I was admittedly trying to grill Marmot a little harder with the TSP/Watcher stuff last night. But I think it can be a fruitful line of discussion in any context. I can and will elaborate in a post shortly.
4. I'm on board with having Lime Coke in the POE. I think Jay has slid toward that position as well today.

It was something you said at the start of this day phase, though the fact that you don’t remember it might be mildly villagery since I would expect mafia to be more hyper aware of their shading.

That’s kinda of a dumb read from me , but I think it makes some sense

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 12:16 pm It would REALLY help me if I could hear in clear terms an answer to the following:

Why is Lime Coke mafia?

I seriously do not know. What’s the problem? Y’all could be right. It has felt to me like RVS-period problems just never disappeared in his case for some people no matter what he posted. I am sure tge case is more nuanced than that.

So help me out, please and thank you.

Honestly the way he read me originally felt more like he felt like he should be townreading me rather than him actually believing that he trd me. And I think he added some paranoia to make the read seem more believable

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 12:12 pm

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 12:11 pm I perceived the poe to be mostly the low posters/some combination of gman/dolby/marmot/Johanna/naa

How would you rank those players?

I would rank the Johanna and naa pretty highly

I thought marmot was town yesterday, if u and jjj are both town and If I am misreading someone then it’s probably marmot

Gman/Dolby id be shocked if there isn’t Atleast one scum in that pair

The source of the distrust was that 1. I found your opening shade of me to ping me 2. I found that jjj commenting that I would poison spf as something potentially he did as mafia to frame me 3. I felt like you were asking some questions just for the sake of asking questions and I couldn’t tell what direction you were going with those questions (eg who we thoufht the watcher report will be) 4. I still think lc is scummy so jjj taking him out of the poe yesterday pinged me

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 12:06 pm

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 12:02 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 12:01 pm

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:57 am You and jay mostly slid just because I found Johanna and NAA to be very towny today. At which point I reached a threshold of having too many townreads. At that point I asked myself who am I more likely to be misreading. On one hand I have players such as Johanna, naa, soa who seem relatively new to FM. On the other hand I have seasoned vets with a decade worth of experience who were are commanding voices in the game that’s leading us to a poe that I don’t feel all to comfortable with. At that point I figured it’s likely that I’m misreading someone in the latter.

That is not an unfair thought process. But I am town, and I am confident at the present that Jay is too.

I will not ask you to adopt a town read on either of if it is not what you feel in your heart. But I think, rather than dealing in accusations, we talk about that aforementioned POE. You say you have not felt comfortable with the direction it has been going. Excluding Jay and myself (for the sake of this mental exercise), what other changes would you make?

Well what’s the current poe looking like fypov ? I’ll tell you what I’ll add in fmpov

I am specifically asking about what you perceived the POE to be at the time that you decided you were uncomfortable with. At the moment you began to distrust SloonJay, what specifically was the source of that distrust?

I perceived the poe to be mostly the low posters/some combination of gman/dolby/marmot/Johanna/naa

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 12:01 pm

Johanna wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:58 am Well, ilario, I've been playing FM since 2012 and I have about ~60 games under my belt.

I'm just new to the site.

You don't read like a new player. I don't think anyone reasonable would assume that you were.

The key word is relative btw. You would have picked up on that if you actually bother to read things properly. The 60 games she has probably doesn’t compare with sloonei and jjj have. But knowing that she does have that many games makes me more doubtful on her now

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 12:02 pm

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 12:01 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:59 am

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:57 am
Lc is probably scum tbh

Kek

He was one of my very first srs btw

Incase you didn’t know

I'm just laughing at the guy who's voting him having bad reads.

Vote:lc

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 12:01 pm

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:57 am You and jay mostly slid just because I found Johanna and NAA to be very towny today. At which point I reached a threshold of having too many townreads. At that point I asked myself who am I more likely to be misreading. On one hand I have players such as Johanna, naa, soa who seem relatively new to FM. On the other hand I have seasoned vets with a decade worth of experience who were are commanding voices in the game that’s leading us to a poe that I don’t feel all to comfortable with. At that point I figured it’s likely that I’m misreading someone in the latter.

That is not an unfair thought process. But I am town, and I am confident at the present that Jay is too.

I will not ask you to adopt a town read on either of if it is not what you feel in your heart. But I think, rather than dealing in accusations, we talk about that aforementioned POE. You say you have not felt comfortable with the direction it has been going. Excluding Jay and myself (for the sake of this mental exercise), what other changes would you make?

Well what’s the current poe looking like fypov ? I’ll tell you what I’ll add in fmpov

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:59 am

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:57 am
Lc is probably scum tbh

Kek

He was one of my very first srs btw

Incase you didn’t know

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:49 am

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:45 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:43 am

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:40 am Lc, jjj, you, Dolby maybe (?), tsp if he’s not the watcher,

I would like to see you grill jjj harder

Is the top line a list of names you are uneasy about?

I feel no need to grill Jay at present. He is town until further notice.

Yup pmuch

Why have Jay and I slid in your view? Either individually or as the unit that we are.

Also I am interested in your Lime Coke thoughts.

Lc is probably scum tbh

You and jay mostly slid just because I found Johanna and NAA to be very towny today. At which point I reached a threshold of having too many townreads. At that point I asked myself who am I more likely to be misreading. On one hand I have players such as Johanna, naa, soa who seem relatively new to FM. On the other hand I have seasoned vets with a decade worth of experience who were are commanding voices in the game that’s leading us to a poe that I don’t feel all to comfortable with. At that point I figured it’s likely that I’m misreading someone in the latter.


I did not factor dizzy into this because dizzy is

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:48 am

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:45 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:43 am I think Johanna seems town.

@ilario what is your present view of Son of Anarch?

Fell off today but still towny enough

If you’re town I understand why you’re not sure of some prior town reads. I am experiencing some similar turbulence. I think you’re taking the tinfoil the wrong direction though (certainly in my case), and I believe SoA needs a more rigorous reassessment. He may yet be town, but I don’t think his posts are that hard for mafia to make.

Okay, it seems that everyone is uneasy on him so I’ll give it a reread. Can you meet me halfway and talk me through your reads on lc and sloonei.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:39 am

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:32 am That is correct, but the hole in that plan is that I do not trust your ability to read at.

This is a joke right? I posted this:

JJJ

Sloonei

Dyslexicon

Dolby Falcon Marmott

LimeCoke Ilario

TSP

Johanna

G-man

We both agree on the top 3, and TSP claim was something I didn't have at the time, so I remove them and it's more like:

Dolby Falcon Marmott

LimeCoke Ilario

Johanna

G-man

Now we have 2 mischops left, so let's just assume you and Johanna are mischops for a moment, my PoE still grants us a 50% shot at victory from a position where 7 players are voting 7 different ways which I guarantee is a lower probability than what I've got in my PoE.

I'm taking Falcon out as my town (which you disagree with) - but by your own reads, you can't come to the conclusion that my reads are bad when your only objection to it being a winning PoE is Falcon being removed. Like, your argument about "Well I can't trust your reads, but I'm trying to cooperate" is such B.S.

I don't get what you're missing or if it's just that you belong in my PoE and this PoE is winning. Like you ask me to explain my read (this is not the read that lead me to the conclusion), but the conclusion is that your play around me makes no sense, you still refuse to even surface level digest my PoE.

My dude, how do you expect anyone to take your poe seriously or anything you do when it takes excruciating amounts of hair pulling to get something remotely workable from you?

Sure let me digest your poe, tell me what makes everyone in your poe scummy so I can help digest it. Tell me why you are so confident in ur top towns so I can digest that. Tell me why you feel so strongly about falcon. I can’t digest what I don’t know

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:43 am I think Johanna seems town.

@ilario what is your present view of Son of Anarch?

Fell off today but still towny enough

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:43 am

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:40 am

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:38 am

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:35 am I’m pretty sure sloonei is mafia because he keeps pushing the weirdest angles

Which angles would you like to push?

Lc, jjj, you, Dolby maybe (?), tsp if he’s not the watcher,

I would like to see you grill jjj harder

Is the top line a list of names you are uneasy about?

I feel no need to grill Jay at present. He is town until further notice.

Yup pmuch

Because if you remotely read any of my posts as of late it would be clear I don’t agree with that top 3 with the exception of dizzy

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:39 am

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:32 am That is correct, but the hole in that plan is that I do not trust your ability to read at.

This is a joke right? I posted this:

JJJ

Sloonei

Dyslexicon

Dolby Falcon Marmott

LimeCoke Ilario

TSP

Johanna

G-man

We both agree on the top 3, and TSP claim was something I didn't have at the time, so I remove them and it's more like:

Dolby Falcon Marmott

LimeCoke Ilario

Johanna

G-man

Now we have 2 mischops left, so let's just assume you and Johanna are mischops for a moment, my PoE still grants us a 50% shot at victory from a position where 7 players are voting 7 different ways which I guarantee is a lower probability than what I've got in my PoE.

I'm taking Falcon out as my town (which you disagree with) - but by your own reads, you can't come to the conclusion that my reads are bad when your only objection to it being a winning PoE is Falcon being removed. Like, your argument about "Well I can't trust your reads, but I'm trying to cooperate" is such B.S.

I don't get what you're missing or if it's just that you belong in my PoE and this PoE is winning. Like you ask me to explain my read (this is not the read that lead me to the conclusion), but the conclusion is that your play around me makes no sense, you still refuse to even surface level digest my PoE.

I do not agree with your top 3

How much of the game have you actually read? Like actually read not just a random skim

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:38 am

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:35 am I’m pretty sure sloonei is mafia because he keeps pushing the weirdest angles

Which angles would you like to push?

Lc, jjj, you, Dolby maybe (?), tsp if he’s not the watcher,

I would like to see you grill jjj harder

Johanna wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:36 am I'm probably overvaluing JJJ and Sloonei but with SPF poisoned and yesterday's Triad thing I should think that automatically makes their association +town.

Spoiler: show

yay town

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:27 am
Wanna talk about Marmot?

Isn't that funny?

Spoiler: show

I think it is!

I guess I would if I had anything to say! Except I forgot he existed.

It doesn’t

Spf is one of the most well known and respected players across many FM communities and not just this one. She is a common n1 kill.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:27 am

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:19 am [VOTE: falcon
] aubergine

I have a feeling I’m going to regret asking this. But let me try anyway. Did you read the end of the day yesterday? I had the perfect opportunity to vote you and have you elimmed, has that factored at all in your read of me?

I’m pretty sure sloonei is mafia because he keeps pushing the weirdest angles

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:21 am

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:11 am

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:01 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:59 am

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:19 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:13 am

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 5:45 am


Lmao wtf? How did you go from wanting to elim jjj/sloonei into having them as ur top trs

Town's reads adjust as the game progresses, it's harder for Maf to do the same. Good look for NAA IMO.



It seems you're only addressing this post tho cuz' of the shade NAA's thrown on you

He did it in a matter of minutes lol

Wait, it was over 2hrs later??


Matter of minutes my ass

You know... About the time to catch up on the game. It's just Ilario doing mafia things, I don't think Johanna is the correct kill, either Ilario or Lime Coke should die.

Can you explain why you even think I’m mafia? What mafia things am I doing? Town reading you Is the only thing I can think of that’s of a benefit to mafia. I do feel as though fighting for your innocence is probably a benefit to the mafia since you seem to have very overly confident reads with no basis on a lot of slots I think are town and that you’re just very impossible to work with, which is a gold mine archetype player that scum teams love to see. Trust me mate you don’t need to worry about being nkd like you think you will, something tells me you’re going to live very far into the game.

Let's start with a base of my town reads which are in order:

JJJ Sloonei Dyslexicon Falcon

Now we go with your town reads:

JJJ, Dyslexicon, SOA, NAA, Johanna, am I missing anyone?

For one, you keep focusing on the fact that I've switched my reads or that I call you mafia than actually thinking about how that can be consolidated.

Like, if we were both right on our most confident reads, the game would be pretty easy right?

Ilario NAA Dyslexicon JJJ Falcon Johanna SOA

Mafia is exactly: Dolby, G-Man, Marmot.

I go, wait a second, this doesn't really work... Either I'm wrong on Falcon, OR something is wrong with what Ilario is pushing and he refuses to evaluate it, OR we're both wrong on someone in which case we take the L.

So yeah, if you want out of my PoE, you have to at least construct some kind of world that we live together in. But yeah, label me as uncooperative when you didn't really make even a base level effort of compiling our reads on your own .

“For one you keep focusing on the fact that I switched my reads than actually thinking about how that can be consolidated l”

Me asking about your reads is my attempt at trying to understand how it can be consolidated. I even asked you how you ended up at that conclusion immediately after I saw those reads and you answered by saying “after a brief skim” what do you expect me to do with that information?

“Like if we were both right on our most confident reads the game would be pretty easy right”

That is correct, but the hole in that plan is that I do not trust your ability to read at. Just because I trust your alignment to be a town one does not mean that I have any faith in your reads remotely, especially given that myself and one of my strong trs are in ur poe so at best you are probably 2/4.

“Something is wrong with what ilario is pushing and he refuses to evaluate it”

I have evaluated my reads. I had jjj and sloonei as confident towns coming into the day, I no longer do. That is what evaluation is. I haven’t felt the need to re-evaluate my other reads because I have not felt any red flags from either of them. Nor will I just because someone insists I do based on a “quick halfassed” skim they have done of the game. If you want me to re-evaluate on someone I tr then give me a proper reason to do so and I will.

Johanna wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:14 am I would appreciate NAA announcing his votes. :P

I mean I also feel pocket paranoia from ilario, but I don't know that it means anything real.

I would love to see more of Comrade Eternal President Dolby, but I haven't seen anything concerning from him atm. Waiting for more G-Man content, and nobody is being tangibly suspicious to my eyes.

If I should get the tinfoil hat I would say perhaps two people in the second triad

Spoiler: show

Dizzy, SoA, ilario

could be partnered wolves

Spoiler: show

or even Jay/Sloonei???

but I'd rather start looking for someone who is individually scummy, or conversely by confirming enough town,

Spoiler: show

but I don't trust myself there.

I am trying to pocket you, but I’m pocketing you as a townie who also has a strong feeling you are town. When I’m mafia I’m much more subtle with my pockets. @staypositivefriend can attest to this

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 11:01 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:59 am

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:19 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:13 am

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 5:45 am

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:58 pm I've skimmed through the ISOs purely looking for mechanical things, no content analysis (I don't know if it's needed actually)

Most town leaning evidence (in order):

JJJ

Sloonei

Dyslexicon

Dolby Falcon Marmott

LimeCoke Ilario

TSP

Johanna

G-man

Normally, I would suggest killing from the bottom up, but Ilario did something this game that I almost exclusively do as mafia, so I'm going to go look at some other games and check.

Lmao wtf? How did you go from wanting to elim jjj/sloonei into having them as ur top trs

Town's reads adjust as the game progresses, it's harder for Maf to do the same. Good look for NAA IMO.



It seems you're only addressing this post tho cuz' of the shade NAA's thrown on you

He did it in a matter of minutes lol

Wait, it was over 2hrs later??


Matter of minutes my ass

You know... About the time to catch up on the game. It's just Ilario doing mafia things, I don't think Johanna is the correct kill, either Ilario or Lime Coke should die.

Can you explain why you even think I’m mafia? What mafia things am I doing? Town reading you Is the only thing I can think of that’s of a benefit to mafia. I do feel as though fighting for your innocence is probably a benefit to the mafia since you seem to have very overly confident reads with no basis on a lot of slots I think are town and that you’re just very impossible to work with, which is a gold mine archetype player that scum teams love to see. Trust me mate you don’t need to worry about being nkd like you think you will, something tells me you’re going to live very far into the game.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:59 am

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:19 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:13 am

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 5:45 am

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Mon Sep 13, 2021 10:58 pm I've skimmed through the ISOs purely looking for mechanical things, no content analysis (I don't know if it's needed actually)

Most town leaning evidence (in order):

JJJ

Sloonei

Dyslexicon

Dolby Falcon Marmott

LimeCoke Ilario

TSP

Johanna

G-man

Normally, I would suggest killing from the bottom up, but Ilario did something this game that I almost exclusively do as mafia, so I'm going to go look at some other games and check.

Lmao wtf? How did you go from wanting to elim jjj/sloonei into having them as ur top trs

Town's reads adjust as the game progresses, it's harder for Maf to do the same. Good look for NAA IMO.



It seems you're only addressing this post tho cuz' of the shade NAA's thrown on you

He did it in a matter of minutes lol

Wait, it was over 2hrs later??


Matter of minutes my ass

The quotes were very close to each other so I assumed it was right after each other

The sad news about NAA being town is that he seems really uncooperative and difficult to work with, which sucks for us tbh

@staypositivefriend I don’t expect you to out a legacy tr on me simply Due to our history of paranoia and tinfoil

But before you die the top 5 trs I feel confident in are dizzy soa Johanna as my top 3 and then probably marmot/NAA after

If you can legacy read the top 3 and review 4/5 that would leave town in a great spot once ur gone

Johanna wrote: ↑Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:38 am I still don't know where you get your reads from.

I lowkey want to get chopped to see your reaction but my guess is that you will be unfazed by failure.

Johanna is billboard town lmao

And despite that I still have him as town, so no, the shade on me wasn’t why i addressed it. It was the sudden flip in reads with no explanation, given that he seemed very certain not long ago