The Syndicate

Wouldn’t be surprised if dizzy is a wolf again

And yeah spf I confirm everything my hydra said

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 1:06 pm Can I town core Marmot and Ilario for almost no reason? Cool. I’ll vaguely sheep them and not read the game until I’m in F3.

i think you're probably mafia though which is unfortunate since we never seem to rand town together :/

Anne alexa iaafr nutella lc master radishes marmot NAA

if there’s more than 1 mafia in that list, then I’m reading this game totally wrong but rn I feel like it’s mostly pure.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:36 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:32 pm

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:27 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:25 pm My experience with NotAnAxehole is that he will pocket the hell out of me on Day 4 regardless of alignment.

Yeah, so far I think the only part where we're misfiring is that you misjudge my patience as town, once we get over that hump, we'll be the perfect team, except when I'm mafia.

I think in our first few games together, I didn't know you very well, and I have trouble reading several new players at once, so I probably just ignored you early on in those games.

This game, given that you're offering boring snapreads out of a random generator, I'll withhold until Day 2.

Good call, I'll give you the formula to reading me, and watch as people scoff at it. From D2 onward assume that I'm always 100% serious except if a decision is already reached (this is where it gets confusing - the trolling), or I have lost patience with the day. And if you can relate to the logic I put forth, then there's a potential for you to find me by exploiting flaws in that logic.

Basically, if you can identify which posts are troll, and which ones aren't, I'm an open book, easiest read in the world.

I don’t think you’re a hard read at all, in fact I feel pretty confident you’re town which is why I’m hoping all the more for a vig shot if you intend on throwing the game again. It’s also why I found jjjs read on you to ping me as it felt like he was just going for an easy target. But I’ll go over his explanation when I find it and decide for myself.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:15 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:12 pm Who does JaggedJimmyJay want to eliminate today?

If the day ended in five seconds I'd vote NAA for boring snap reads. I'm in no hurry though.

Huh wdym? Also, why is that alignment indicative For him even if that’s the case?

Yeah I agree with leetics list mostly, anne would be higher up for me and I’m unsure on mac, macs had some
moments of towniness, especially with the way he’s handling my slot but I can still see him going either way. I think the dr guy is mafia just due to poe and I remember him having a post that pinged me very early on

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 2:58 am

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 2:55 am Lol, marmot is town

Now I’m running into the opposite problem I had early game.

What was the opposite problem you had early game?

I couldn’t find anyone to tr

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 3:04 am

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 3:01 am Fwiw I see the points people brought up about JJJ but I can also understand why he would be taking a more hands-off approach this particular game. I think he’s overall null for me.

Okay that’s actually my last post for a while until there’s more content

I don't quite agree. I've seen JJJ poor forth massive efforts in games where it wasn't required because of the player list (see Bread Mafia or even Fargo), and I've also seen him warn beforehand that he won't poor effort into the game, only to do so anyway.

But just because someone isn’t the same as what you’re used to doesn’t make them mafia. I’m not going to hard defend jjj, especially since he’s nothing more than null to me, it’s just that given what happened last game we all played together and other points mentioned thus far I can understand why he would be taking the approach he has so far if he’s town.

Fwiw I see the points people brought up about JJJ but I can also understand why he would be taking a more hands-off approach this particular game. I think he’s overall null for me.

Okay that’s actually my last post for a while until there’s more content

Lol, marmot is town

Now I’m running into the opposite problem I had early game.

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 2:24 am

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 2:21 am

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 2:19 am I’d say anne alexa iaafr nutella lc are my trs

Leetic brought up something to me in our chat that has given me pause to the nook tr

Spf as slight town

Are you and Leetic mason/neighborrs? Or mafia partners? Or somethin else?

I’ll leave that for you to decide or if leetic wants to explain they can. all Im gonna say is we share a post cap

Sorry wrong pronoun. Ebwop.

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 2:21 am

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 2:19 am I’d say anne alexa iaafr nutella lc are my trs

Leetic brought up something to me in our chat that has given me pause to the nook tr

Spf as slight town

Are you and Leetic mason/neighborrs? Or mafia partners? Or somethin else?

I’ll leave that for you to decide or if leetic wants to explain he can. all Im gonna say is we share a post cap

I’d say anne alexa iaafr nutella lc are my trs

Leetic brought up something to me in our chat that has given me pause to the nook tr

Spf as slight town

iaafr wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 1:53 am alright I'm lock towning radishes and ignoring that slot for the rest of the game ig

marmot can take the heat for the bad puns because he did it more

Yeah it was towny and I was expecting something like this from him after his and cassandras most recent game. Let’s see if his play actually follows through though.

@MacDougall I’m curious to hear your non-fart related read on nutella when you have it. She feels off this game but idk if that makes her scum. If I didn’t know she was nutella and she was posting some of these posts I’d call the slot kinda towny, like she’s gotten towny but not in the way the Nutella normally tends to towntell if that makes sense. (Then again my sample size with her is quite small)

i do think hes >rand town so far fwiw but i maintain that hes a good vig shot regardless.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue Nov 23, 2021 12:23 am the fact that illario was not immediately suspicious of the fact that he is one of my strongest townreads is probably the scummiest thing about him so far, but i refuse to expect our meta dynamic to play out in the exact same way every game. i'm going to #BreakTheCycle

Believe me, I was. But I held back because I wanted to conserve posts and because I was suspicious of your early tr on me in the last two turbos we played, so I ignored it and figured maybe your confidence in getting me right so early in those games carried over to how you’re reading me here.


Also to make sure this isn’t a total waste of a post I’m gonna post something now that I didn’t intend to plan on posting so early for thread health reasons but I may as well make this post count.

If town can’t find a elim we all agree on today we don’t shrugyeet a low poster, we yeet NAA. If there’s a vig in this setup and you’re unsure who to shoot, you shoot NAA. To explain why, I played one game with him and in that game:

-he antagonized the entire lobby
-shut down the town leaders due to his own personal reasons that weren’t game related
-forced a poe on everyone to follow that had 90% town in it
- refuses to explain a single read in his horrible poe
- scumread people for trying to question that terrible poe
- tried to speed up days by getting town speedyeeted for no reason
- after he finished doing all that he cemented his game throwing ways by self voting in lylo and letting mafia blitz him.

I thought maybe he was just having a bad time outside of the game and maybe that translated into his play that game and that was a one off for him bad game for him But I get a sinking feeling that’s not the case. Essentially what I’m saying is idc about his alignment, it’s always +ev to get rid of him if he refuses to work with the lobby before he gets a chance to hold the thread hostage like he did last time and I STRONGLY encourage any vig to shoot him because of it.

Actually, catching up with everything im pretty content In just calling alexa town for today.

I’m probably gonna try and conserve my posts from now since I only have like 20 left lol

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 9:37 pm

cassandra wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 9:35 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 9:33 pm

cassandra wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 9:30 pm i townread Nook now kinda, townread dyslexicon for doing nothing, i think they'd post more as scum, leetic i TR (so if he's mason w/illario then illario's prob town too, he's just annoying me)

iaafr and LC are lightly towny

if you tr'd leetic already why push illario so hard? did it not give you any pause on that

i'm not even pushing illario hard, nor am i pushing anne hard TBH her last post makes me think she may actually be town.

ok

just felt weird to me but i may be more affected by the claim bias than you are, i know i shouldnt weigh it too much but it inherently primed me to see illario from a townlean pov idk

this is a decent post

to the people who say nutella is super blatant as scum, is this a kinda post she can easily fake?

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 9:36 pm

ilario wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 9:30 pm

anne wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 9:25 pm

cassandra wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 9:24 pm for context when we're both town, ilario and i have very similar reads, so him agreeing anne is this towny rn is wolfy AF for him

didn't you tell me once that sometimes you guys have different reads and usually he will push his own thoughts above considering your own?

Ehhh I think it’s fair for her to say this since I’ve pushed her on it before for similar reasons. I would say though that alexa is one of 5 people whose reads I would potentially actually factor above my own if she felt very strongly on something I also felt strongly about. So ig I’ll wait and see how her read develops

I was going to state that her pushing you for your read on Anne was kind of her pulling a you.

I don't think she'd blatantly do that as scum?

Then again would she still have this amount of energy after like 5 scum rands in a row that she's annoyed with by now?

If she’s mafia she’s playing in a way specifically designed to just fool me though I don’t think that’s likely to be the case since it’s a strong lobby and I’m just one person.

Imma unvote Nutella she seems to be getting a little better

I was initially concerned that alexa srd me and changed it to a tr in order to look like she was faking progression on me Instead of just townreading me outright which she normally does. But that’s probably just paranoia and it feels like she believes what she’s saying.

I’d say my trs rn are anne, lc, nook, cass and maybe iaafr in that order

Not feeling super strong on anything yet though

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 9:27 pm

anne wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 9:24 pm me and ilario have been caught on page 1... sorry bro should've distanced harder

Yeah this is philo mafia scum are required to hell bus

Why’s that?

anne wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 9:25 pm

cassandra wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 9:24 pm for context when we're both town, ilario and i have very similar reads, so him agreeing anne is this towny rn is wolfy AF for him

didn't you tell me once that sometimes you guys have different reads and usually he will push his own thoughts above considering your own?

Ehhh I think it’s fair for her to say this since I’ve pushed her on it before for similar reasons. I would say though that alexa is one of 5 people whose reads I would potentially actually factor above my own if she felt very strongly on something I also felt strongly about. So ig I’ll wait and see how her read develops

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 9:17 pm

anne wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 9:14 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 9:11 pm

anne wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 9:09 pm im also not having fun in this thread although it may seem like it, i think the vibe is uncomfortable to be fully honest. i feel compelled to post though because early day 1 is the easiest time to for me

What's making you uncomfortable/sapping your fun?

without getting too into it, this forum layout is hard for me to navigate and the playerlist is one that i feel compelled to not give many reads on in fear of being wrong so it just makes it hard for me to communicate thoughts in a way id like to

Ah yeah that's pretty understandable. Php is pretty notoriously obnoxious tbh

As for the playerlist thing, personally I just make reads and don't care if they're wrong. I mean, I do care about getting my reads right, but I don't let fear of a good playerlist get in the way of making reads, is what I'm trying to say.

Besides half these guys are only good at being town

like who?

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 9:11 pm i feel good about
illario/leetic
iaafr
anne
lime

i feel meh about
jay
nook
cass
spf because i feel like it

What have I done for you to feel good about?

i feel like all of annes posts this page are towny, she might bump up as my top tr.

cassandra wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 9:07 pm

ilario wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 8:59 pm

cassandra wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 8:58 pm

ilario wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 8:54 pm

cassandra wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 8:51 pm

ilario wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 8:48 pm

cassandra wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 8:46 pm

IDK i guess i thought we'd mindmeld more on nook, so your "meta and vibes" answer kinda pinged me

ugh i forgot this is 100 PC im gonna be careful

Lmaooo he’s like my strongest tr, Maybe my meta is wrong

If this pinged you I assume you find him scummy? How so?

it's too early for me to say i find him scummy but i was kinda taken aback by how much he's posting considering what i've seen from him as town in the past VS. as mafia (where he posted much more) - though i guess people are saying he does it as both alignments - but i don't have enough of a sample size to say that actually makes him mafia here (and yeah now it seems like it just is NAI), i just didn't understand you calling him town so soon. why is he your strongest TR?

It’s kinda like Anne’s meta on sonrio lol. When he’s mafia he just feels sneaky and nefarious, like there’s an agenda in his posting and it always feels like there’s some sort of motive behind his posts. As town he kinda just posts for fun without thinking too much on it, it’s more free-flowing. Atleast that’s what I’ve been using to read him until now and it hasn’t backfired yet.

mmmm ok i'll take your word on it for now. i'm not pinged by any of his actual posts so

and scratch what i said earlier, illario may actually be town

What changed your mind on me? I barely did anything differently lol

i was scumreading you for your initial take on Nook but it made more sense when you talked through it ig. though now i take it back again because i hate your take on anne

also i'm obviously alexa at this point

ilario wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 9:01 pm I’m not good at reading anne in rvs, I think what she said to jjj was probably not something she would bother with saying as mafia?

bruh? she did that exact same thing in constellations lol. her demanding people to have her as lock town is like a scum 101 move from her. also the more she posts and demands she should be seen as lock town the scummier i find it. but i know me saying this is not going to help her remotely, i just feel like she's having a lot of fun and posting performative things which i associate with her scum play. but i obviously would not vote her day one either way

I feel like the context in which she does it to and who she does it to matters though? I was pinged when she said she wouldn’t be eztra at start as mafia because she Was like that in jack town but then I thought about it and realized that might have been due to her being on an anon account. Ig this is why I feel like context matters, like yeah I get what ur saying about her being fun and performative but like I don’t really see her forcing reads or anything which is what I’d expect Mafia to do in early game. Like the whole combination of not really giving reads, shitposting but still expecting jjj to tr her is just kinda not what I’d expect her line to be here as mafia? Unless it’s like some 300iq play where’s she’s just trying to distance herself from jjj lol.

Oh nvm she posted

Is Nutella frozen lol

anne wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 9:01 pm

cassandra wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 8:58 pm

anne wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 8:57 pm look, im not telling everyone to townread me right away. that's not what this is about. i get some people have either no prior experience with me or just simply aren't reading my posts. in fact, ive only played one game with JJJ, but i do feel from an objective standpoint i am extremely townie and out of wolf range, so for JJJ to be making up these convoluted reasons to TR everyone else on that list but not me is just a feelsbadman moment

i don't really believe that you believe you're out of your wolf range tbh. why?

eh, i might not actually be out of wolf range but i do feel like im extremely townie. not sure if that makes sense, but i get the sense that rn i can just feel that im an obvious villager to anyone who has meta on me or has read my posts. not really sure i can explain it

it's basically that feeling you get as town when you're posting and are just like "this is the good stuff" and can see how everything is clicking irt people being able to find you and having a trail to point to later in case anyone is dumb enough to scumread you. i'm not sure if i described the feeling well, but that's how i currently feel.

I actually know what you’re speaking of, I would say your equal to lc in terms of giving me mildly town vibes but I didn’t say so earlier since I mentioned in my previous post that I’m more likely to misread u in rvs than outside of it.

I’m not good at reading anne in rvs, I think what she said to jjj was probably not something she would bother with saying as mafia?

cassandra wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 8:58 pm

ilario wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 8:54 pm

cassandra wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 8:51 pm

ilario wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 8:48 pm

cassandra wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 8:46 pm

ilario wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 8:45 pm

cassandra wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 8:44 pm illario is kinda scummy but he's told me before he tries to be scummy as town right away to not get night killed and if he's mason with leetic then he prob is annoyed leetic claimed so too soon to tell

Lmaooo I’m not trying to be intentionally scummy this game, what part of me pinged you?

IDK i guess i thought we'd mindmeld more on nook, so your "meta and vibes" answer kinda pinged me

ugh i forgot this is 100 PC im gonna be careful

Lmaooo he’s like my strongest tr, Maybe my meta is wrong

If this pinged you I assume you find him scummy? How so?

it's too early for me to say i find him scummy but i was kinda taken aback by how much he's posting considering what i've seen from him as town in the past VS. as mafia (where he posted much more) - though i guess people are saying he does it as both alignments - but i don't have enough of a sample size to say that actually makes him mafia here (and yeah now it seems like it just is NAI), i just didn't understand you calling him town so soon. why is he your strongest TR?

It’s kinda like Anne’s meta on sonrio lol. When he’s mafia he just feels sneaky and nefarious, like there’s an agenda in his posting and it always feels like there’s some sort of motive behind his posts. As town he kinda just posts for fun without thinking too much on it, it’s more free-flowing. Atleast that’s what I’ve been using to read him until now and it hasn’t backfired yet.

mmmm ok i'll take your word on it for now. i'm not pinged by any of his actual posts so

and scratch what i said earlier, illario may actually be town

What changed your mind on me? I barely did anything differently lol

cassandra wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 8:52 pm

ilario wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 8:49 pm Lc is mildly towny too

why? i don't feel that yet

I liked his explanation to the anne read, didn’t feel fake to me. Fwiw I agree on your Nutella vote

/vote nutella

cassandra wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 8:51 pm

ilario wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 8:48 pm

cassandra wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 8:46 pm

ilario wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 8:45 pm

cassandra wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 8:44 pm illario is kinda scummy but he's told me before he tries to be scummy as town right away to not get night killed and if he's mason with leetic then he prob is annoyed leetic claimed so too soon to tell

Lmaooo I’m not trying to be intentionally scummy this game, what part of me pinged you?

IDK i guess i thought we'd mindmeld more on nook, so your "meta and vibes" answer kinda pinged me

ugh i forgot this is 100 PC im gonna be careful

Lmaooo he’s like my strongest tr, Maybe my meta is wrong

If this pinged you I assume you find him scummy? How so?

it's too early for me to say i find him scummy but i was kinda taken aback by how much he's posting considering what i've seen from him as town in the past VS. as mafia (where he posted much more) - though i guess people are saying he does it as both alignments - but i don't have enough of a sample size to say that actually makes him mafia here (and yeah now it seems like it just is NAI), i just didn't understand you calling him town so soon. why is he your strongest TR?

It’s kinda like Anne’s meta on sonrio lol. When he’s mafia he just feels sneaky and nefarious, like there’s an agenda in his posting and it always feels like there’s some sort of motive behind his posts. As town he kinda just posts for fun without thinking too much on it, it’s more free-flowing. Atleast that’s what I’ve been using to read him until now and it hasn’t backfired yet.

Lc is mildly towny too

cassandra wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 8:46 pm

ilario wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 8:45 pm

cassandra wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 8:44 pm illario is kinda scummy but he's told me before he tries to be scummy as town right away to not get night killed and if he's mason with leetic then he prob is annoyed leetic claimed so too soon to tell

Lmaooo I’m not trying to be intentionally scummy this game, what part of me pinged you?

IDK i guess i thought we'd mindmeld more on nook, so your "meta and vibes" answer kinda pinged me

ugh i forgot this is 100 PC im gonna be careful

Lmaooo he’s like my strongest tr, Maybe my meta is wrong

If this pinged you I assume you find him scummy? How so?

cassandra wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 8:44 pm illario is kinda scummy but he's told me before he tries to be scummy as town right away to not get night killed and if he's mason with leetic then he prob is annoyed leetic claimed so too soon to tell

Lmaooo I’m not trying to be intentionally scummy this game, what part of me pinged you?

anne wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 8:44 pm ive seen nook post 300 times in a day 1 where at least 90% of the posts were either one line or a meme

Lmaooo

Was he town?

cassandra wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 8:39 pm

ilario wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 8:38 pm I do think nook is mildly towny too

ehhh why? tbh he's posting so much for him i was a little taken aback

Kinda just a meta/vibes thing tbh

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 8:27 pm Yeah I'm treating Illartic as town.

Townreading Anne for her start, her begrudged mindset being in this game might be town indicative for her.

Can you go over both these? What part of her posts did you feel like she gave a begrudged mindset and what makes you think that’s towny for her?

I do think nook is mildly towny too

iaafr wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 8:32 pm

ilario wrote: ↑Mon Nov 22, 2021 8:30 pm This is the first time I’ve caught up to a thread and everyone feels so scummy, weird

who is the scummiest and why (dont pick me im town)

your perspective is valuable to me because lately i cant stop townreading people for stupid reasons and subsequently failing to let go of the stupid townreads

Ehhh it’s hard to really pinpoint someone, because everyone feels scummy for the exact same reason lol. I’ll probably get a more clearer picture once rvs ends.

You mentioned you feel that you can’t stop townreading people for bad reasons, how do you feel about starting the game townreading 3 em’ers very easily? Like ig what I’m trying to ask is, when you mentioned that you can’t stop townreading people for stupid reasons I’d sorta expect you to be more careful with trs to try and counteract that but you kinda did the opposite. I don’t feel like the inconsistency in itself is scummy since as scum you would probably be more aware of something like this before you posted but yah I’m still curious to hear your answer

Well ig Cassandra is kinda towny

This is the first time I’ve caught up to a thread and everyone feels so scummy, weird

i think it starts based on which eod we choose, so if we choose 8pm it starts 8pm today