The Syndicate

ilario wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 1:35 am @alexa shoot someone

who do you suggest?

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 3:09 pm I probably won't be able to check in again on the thread. I have a red check on Alison, I suggest we kill her tomorrow.

I'm not going to go into my reasoning on any of this, I can't play today... So I won't be saying anything more on the matter.

See y'all tomorrow (maybe).

@NotAnAxehole do you hardclaim this?
Because I can kill her right now if so

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 3:13 pm Sorry @alexa you can shoot Alison if you want, but I'm not taking responsibility for anything negative that happens if you do.

My claim is legit though and I am never rescinding.

um ok

is it going to kill me too or something?

i sort of would rather kill NAA than alison because if alison is a villager then she's a terrible shot and i had a townread on her

but also if he's claiming that PR he's a terrible shot too

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 3:13 pm Sorry @alexa you can shoot Alison if you want, but I'm not taking responsibility for anything negative that happens if you do.

My claim is legit though and I am never rescinding.

can you explain why today vs. tomorrow matters if this is a hardclaim?

btw i don't mean to be voting guillo anymore

[VOTE: NAA] aubergine

@Alison NAA is hardclaiming a red on you

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 3:20 pm no he's not he's been joking about this all day

you don't joke when someone has a gun.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 3:20 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 3:16 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 3:13 pm Sorry @alexa you can shoot Alison if you want, but I'm not taking responsibility for anything negative that happens if you do.

My claim is legit though and I am never rescinding.
can you explain why today vs. tomorrow matters if this is a hardclaim?
I can't, just know that if I'm mafia I'm playing against my win condition by going about it this way when I had no pressure on me whatsoever. That should be enough to keep me alive today, and Alison being unresolved should keep me alive till tomorrow.

She ideally won't have had the opportunity to fully refute this due to time zones.

that's not true though, people have been talking about how you can be mafia for awhile

if NAA is hardclaiming this i don't see why i don't just shoot alison here

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 3:24 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 3:23 pm if NAA is hardclaiming this i don't see why i don't just shoot alison here
Listen, you can shoot Alison, just don't do it because of me, and don't blame me for anything that follows.

if i did it then it would be 100% and only because of you bronana

i like MR's posts on Mac. i think he could be a wolf

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 3:27 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 3:26 pm i like MR's posts on Mac. i think he could be a wolf
I am fairly confident they're t/t

Actually flipped back to being more confident on mac town than radishes but still both

Mac's response to it was actually decent-ish but i'm not really sold he's not in his wolf range atp. i have him null

NAA is implying Alison is a wolf with some kind of role that will make bad things happen if she dies day 1 is what i'm getting? has this been a possibility in previous games here?

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 3:31 pm Listen, I don't even think that Alison is a particularly bad kill today, I won't explain the disclaimers.

Part of me doesn't want Alison to get mad at me for railroading her on timezones. You might ask... Well, why are you railroading her on a timezone differential then when you could have done it earlier? I didn't say I didn't want to railroad her, I said I didn't want her to be upset over it.

Also, I'm not claiming responsibility for anything that follows. @nutella my flip will do nothing for you.

so what should stop me from shooting Alison then yeeting you if she's green? she is 100% a wolf right?

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 3:40 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 3:33 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 3:31 pm Listen, I don't even think that Alison is a particularly bad kill today, I won't explain the disclaimers.

Part of me doesn't want Alison to get mad at me for railroading her on timezones. You might ask... Well, why are you railroading her on a timezone differential then when you could have done it earlier? I didn't say I didn't want to railroad her, I said I didn't want her to be upset over it.

Also, I'm not claiming responsibility for anything that follows. @nutella my flip will do nothing for you.
so what should stop me from shooting Alison then yeeting you if she's green? she is 100% a wolf right?
I'm not overly concerned, because I don't think you'll actually shoot Alison without her having an opportunity to post.

why should i give her the opportunity to post if you are never rescinding this?

you're being weird tbh

i'm shooting alison at 2:55 if you don't rescind by then

glgl

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 3:44 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Sat Jan 29, 2022 12:13 am
Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:37 pm Here is my case on Creature.

All of Creature's posts so far can be divided into one of three categories: useless fluff, attempting to derpclear himself for silly reasons, and "flame fanning".

Category 1: Useless Fluff
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Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 7:22 pm Why does the game always start when I'm the most low energy?

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:32 pm Wow this got intense so quick

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:33 pm Is this game by any chance bastard? I didn't check before joining

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 9:11 pmWho is Neeko?

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:12 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:11 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:49 pm Would much rather just be mafia in bastard games
I think you are.
I'm not mafia and this makes your push on me even more annoying
These posts go beyond the usual RVS horsing around (although we are well out of RVS now). These are posts that show a clear lack of interest in the progression of the game. His questions are flat, shallow, and in many cases could have been easily answered by glancing at the OP. He is more interested in looking like he is around and engaging with the game than actually being around and engaging with the game. He had a ripe opportunity to engage with me about my push on him, and he responded by going "I'm not mafia, I'm annoyed now, go away". I don't get the sense that he cares whether or not I am town misreading him or scum trying to get him killed, and this is especially concerning because in my last scum game I tried to get him killed early on.

I believe him when he says he is low energy. Take note that being low energy and unable to meaningfully engage with the game is a classic Creature scumtell.

Category 2: Attempting to derpclear himself for silly reasons

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Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 7:51 pm I want the guilty on nutella to be legit

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:34 pm Is soup kill a thing?

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:49 pm Would much rather just be mafia in bastard games

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:06 pm Wait I think the existence of a mafia captain should almost clear me from ever being picked as mafia this game

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:07 pm Unless you want to argue that I'm 3p here? But would be better to seek for the seven mafia first.

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:15 pm If I was mafia captain I would choose players tbh even if it is not mechanically optimal. I would much rather have an enjoyable team to play with.

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:15 pm I know I'd never be picked by the mafia captain if they chose players over roles

Creature makes an excessive number of posts attempting to insinuate that he is town, or in some way get people to "angleshoot" him as being town due to his lack of knowledge about the game mechanics or the inner workings of the mafia ("is there a soup kill?"). But a town Creature who genuinely wanted to know would just check the OP; asking in thread serves no purpose except to try to get people to falsely read him as town. He is aware that he struggles to gain the trust of the town when he is mafia, and he is cheaply attempting to earn this towncred through derptells and "townslips".

Take note that he is trying to convince the game repeatedly that the mafia captain chose players rather than roles. If he is town, he has no reason to believe that the mafia captain chose players over roles. I, personally, have reason to believe that the mafia captain chose roles. I think nutella is much townier than her scum self would be, and as I have argued, a town nutella implies a town Alexa. I know I am town, and I do not think a mafia captain who picked players would pass over both me and Alexa. So this attempt to convince the town - with no evidence whatsoever - that the mafia captain picked players reeks of agenda-pushing to me.

Finally, I want to highlight this line: "Unless you want to argue that I'm 3p here? But would be better to seek for the seven mafia first." Nobody has accused him of being 3P. It comes completely out of the blue, and reads almost as though he is self-aware of his own scumminess and is trying to hang a lampshade of it. I don't think it's a line that would flow naturally from a townie's mouth.

Category 3: Flame Fanning
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Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 8:33 pm lol if nutella is salty alexa caught her n0

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 9:07 pm lol if the alexa/nutella w/w theory is right

Creature wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:18 pm
112 wrote: ↑Fri Jan 28, 2022 10:17 pm early take is that Seanzie is probably wolfing imo
Thought I was the only one seeing it

LinearPoint has been accused of fanning the flames. I think Creature is even more guilty of this sin. In his ISO of 19 posts (at the time I wrote this case), Creature utters provocative lines, egging on the suspicions of townies towards each other, three separate times. They are quoted in the spoilers above. Note that he first eggs on the "Alexa has a red check on nutella" narrative, then switches to "Alexa and nutella are wolves together". These narratives are contradictory. Creature does not have an opinion of his own; he just encourages whatever happens to be the prevailing opinion or thread sentiment at the time. This is strongly opportunistic, and this opportunism is exemplified even further by his agreement with 112 that Seanzie is wolfing. How is Seanzie being wolfy? Why has he not brought up this scumread on Seanzie before, if he thought he was the only one seeing it? In fact, if he thinks Seanzie is a wolf and fooling everyone except him, why would he keep quiet about it until someone else brings it up, at which point he eagerly jumps on the bandwagon? Answer: because he is nakedly taking advantage of 112's suspicion to push Seanzie.

At no point does he contribute to the conversation. He does not add evidence to support any narrative. He does not refute the evidence or points that others have brought up. He does not, in fact, engage with the theories and accusations that have been thrown around the thread. He merely fuels the fire with provocative one-liners and moves on without explaining them.

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Please vote Creature.

jfc Alison you came to play. I take it you aren't the Gambit Demon this go around?

How is this ever not wolf to town

yeah idk i townread alison but i'm not gonna push read if there's mech

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 12:03 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 12:02 pm Actually I don't think I've been properly D1'd in awhile?

In Philo I got vigged on D2 or something though. *glares at Wilgy*
@alexa now's your chance

i think he is town tbh. not getting the "flat" part

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 3:55 pm @Alison for the record, I told Alexa not to shoot you. I would like to be clear on that. Let the record show... This is not on me.

you're not rescinding your red check though?

Alison I haven't shot you yet, but NAA is claiming a red check never rescind.

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 3:56 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 3:55 pm @Alison for the record, I told Alexa not to shoot you. I would like to be clear on that. Let the record show... This is not on me.
Why am I being shot D1? Because I was afk for 24 hours, due to real life circumstances, as the player in the game who had done the most solving prior to that?

i've had you as a villager since early, but i've said that if NAA isn't rescinding his red check, i will shoot you, then we will chop him if it's wrong. he is essentially forcing himself into a CC with you so idk what to do here.

Shooty mcshooty face, put Alison in their place!

@NANOOKTHECONQUEROR
@dunya
@juliets

This is purely on mech.

i said i was shooting at 2:55 if you didn't rescind and you said you don't rescind

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 4:00 pm I wish I had been permitted to catch up and leave a legacy before I died. Thanks for the game. Vote out NAA, please.

if you're a villager i'm sorry, but there was nothing else for me to do

he was given 10 opportunities to rescind

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 4:03 pm A shot was fired!

@Alison has died and flips TOWN! They reveal as:

Ra’s al Ghul

You are a JOAT! You have three different one shot abilities:

1x tracker: target a player at night and learn who they visit, if anyone.
1x vanilla cop: target a player at night and learn if they are vanilla or not (goon will also scan as vanilla)
1x loyal poison: target a player at night to poison them. The player poisoned will be announced at SOD. If they are town, they will die at EOD. If they are mafia, they will not die at EOD.
Day continues!

Spoiler: show
@ 112
@ alexa
@ Belzy
@ c4e5g3d5
@ Creature
@ DrWilgy
@ dyachei
@ Dyslexicon
@ EnderWiggin
@ falcon45ca
@ Guillotine
@ hollowkatt
@ ilario
@ Justplayingitcool
@ LinearPoint
@ Master Radishes
@ NotAnAxehole
@ nutella
@ Paopan
@ Phil and Gloria
@ Porscha
@ sabie12
@ Seanzie
@ sig
@ Sloonei
@ TonyStarkPrime
@ Urist

FUCK

OK DIE NAA

HOW THE HECK WAS THAT GLARINGLY FAKE?

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 4:04 pm I haven't caught up, so don't take my latest legacy as being indicative of what views I'd have if I was mafia. I wonder why Alexa held the dayvig even after seeing I was back - why not shoot me 30 minutes before EOD, so if I am town I can read a bit and give thoughts, and you still have time to vote NAA if I flip town?

I said I was shooting at 2:55 EST if NAA didn't rescind and I meant it

I also promised to shoot at least 3 hours before EOD to give people time

Obviously I'm an idiot. I'm sorry.

c4 why tf wouldn't you speak up if you thought it was glaringly fake or tell me not to shoot?

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 4:05 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 4:04 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 4:03 pm A shot was fired!

@Alison has died and flips TOWN! They reveal as:

Ra’s al Ghul

You are a JOAT! You have three different one shot abilities:

1x tracker: target a player at night and learn who they visit, if anyone.
1x vanilla cop: target a player at night and learn if they are vanilla or not (goon will also scan as vanilla)
1x loyal poison: target a player at night to poison them. The player poisoned will be announced at SOD. If they are town, they will die at EOD. If they are mafia, they will not die at EOD.
Day continues!

Spoiler: show
@ 112
@ alexa
@ Belzy
@ c4e5g3d5
@ Creature
@ DrWilgy
@ dyachei
@ Dyslexicon
@ EnderWiggin
@ falcon45ca
@ Guillotine
@ hollowkatt
@ ilario
@ Justplayingitcool
@ LinearPoint
@ Master Radishes
@ NotAnAxehole
@ nutella
@ Paopan
@ Phil and Gloria
@ Porscha
@ sabie12
@ Seanzie
@ sig
@ Sloonei
@ TonyStarkPrime
@ Urist

FUCK

OK DIE NAA

HOW THE HECK WAS THAT GLARINGLY FAKE?
Because I said repeatedly don't shoot, I wanted Alison to make day 2 and I was mechanically locked into a corner until Alison did something.

That doesn't matter. You claimed a red never rescind. You implied it may be bad to kill her today but not that she wasn't a wolf.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 4:09 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 4:07 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 4:05 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 4:04 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 4:03 pm A shot was fired!

@Alison has died and flips TOWN! They reveal as:

Ra’s al Ghul

You are a JOAT! You have three different one shot abilities:

1x tracker: target a player at night and learn who they visit, if anyone.
1x vanilla cop: target a player at night and learn if they are vanilla or not (goon will also scan as vanilla)
1x loyal poison: target a player at night to poison them. The player poisoned will be announced at SOD. If they are town, they will die at EOD. If they are mafia, they will not die at EOD.
Day continues!

Spoiler: show
@ 112
@ alexa
@ Belzy
@ c4e5g3d5
@ Creature
@ DrWilgy
@ dyachei
@ Dyslexicon
@ EnderWiggin
@ falcon45ca
@ Guillotine
@ hollowkatt
@ ilario
@ Justplayingitcool
@ LinearPoint
@ Master Radishes
@ NotAnAxehole
@ nutella
@ Paopan
@ Phil and Gloria
@ Porscha
@ sabie12
@ Seanzie
@ sig
@ Sloonei
@ TonyStarkPrime
@ Urist

FUCK

OK DIE NAA

HOW THE HECK WAS THAT GLARINGLY FAKE?
Because I said repeatedly don't shoot, I wanted Alison to make day 2 and I was mechanically locked into a corner until Alison did something.
But..... you gonna explain the red check or nah
I'll do my best ... But I literally cannot.

I think I have to rescind my red check on Alison.

I have a red check, and I'll tell you who it's on shortly.

yeah idc you're getting policied bye

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 4:10 pm
c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 4:09 pm People have discussed Axe having a history of faking reds D1
Tbf I had no knowledge of this

me neither

IDT NAA would not rescind as town.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 4:11 pm Ok guys, when i say I have a red check on someone, don't shoot... I mean it.

i told you i was SHOOTING AT 2:55 IF YOU DID NOT RESCIND THE RED. YOU DID NOT RESCIND. saying "don't shoot" doesn't change that

has there ever been a role on TS that requires people to fake reds?

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 4:15 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 4:13 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 4:12 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 4:12 pm Okay so he's claiming he's required to fake redchecks
naa rolled naa
Yeah

NAA if this is true and you were able to choose who to redcheck, you absolutely shouldn't have gone for alison, losing her was pretty goddamn bad
You know what, you might be right, part of my thought process was that no one would shoot Alison in that situation.

it doesn't matter who it is. alison's flip is really bad but when someone makes it a mech CC you always shoot the person. and i said i had a gun. and i said i was shooting them. and you still didn't rescind or change the check or anything. so you can die.

requiring people to fake red checks feels too bastard for this, no?

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 3:13 pm Sorry @alexa you can shoot Alison if you want, but I'm not taking responsibility for anything negative that happens if you do.

My claim is legit though and I am never rescinding.

You also said this and before that I was going to move on tbh. Why @ me again with this here?

nutella i don't think a role existing required to fake red checks makes sense? has that occurred non-bastard on the syndicate before?

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 4:23 pm One thing I'll say, in hindsight, Nutella is right - my pick was bad. My mistake was assuming Alexa wouldn't shoot Alison.

you can't blame me when i said i was multiple times and quote literally gave you a final chance to rescind.

alexa wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 3:20 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 3:20 pm no he's not he's been joking about this all day
you don't joke when someone has a gun.

alexa wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 3:23 pm if NAA is hardclaiming this i don't see why i don't just shoot alison here

alexa wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 3:44 pm i'm shooting alison at 2:55 if you don't rescind by then

glgl

etc

does not require fucking mindreading

alexa wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 3:09 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 3:09 pm I probably won't be able to check in again on the thread. I have a red check on Alison, I suggest we kill her tomorrow.

I'm not going to go into my reasoning on any of this, I can't play today... So I won't be saying anything more on the matter.

See y'all tomorrow (maybe).
@NotAnAxehole do you hardclaim this?
Because I can kill her right now if so

Creature is likely V but i'll consider Alison's points.

unless you can point me to a game where a role existed that had to fake reds on TS (because this game has to exist of previous roles) i'm going to assume NAA is just mafia.

Wilgy can die sure but i'm not unvoting NAA after that.

dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 4:34 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 4:33 pm Wilgy can die sure but i'm not unvoting NAA after that.
it sounds like there aare mech reasons he had to claim a redcheck though?

i just don't believe it, it feels like a really convenient way to get a top villager shot when you're under fire anyway + policy tbh. if he's a wolf and let to get away with that just lol

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 4:39 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 4:38 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 4:34 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 4:33 pm Wilgy can die sure but i'm not unvoting NAA after that.
it sounds like there aare mech reasons he had to claim a redcheck though?
i just don't believe it, it feels like a really convenient way to get a top villager shot when you're under fire anyway + policy tbh. if he's a wolf and let to get away with that just lol
You took the shot.

BECAUSE YOU CLAIMED A RED CHECK NEVER RESCIND, I TOWNREAD ALISON

ok this is pointless to fight over. just policy NAA, he's probably mafia and if he's town he will lose us the game + it's what alison wanted

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 4:44 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 4:25 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 4:24 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 4:23 pm One thing I'll say, in hindsight, Nutella is right - my pick was bad. My mistake was assuming Alexa wouldn't shoot Alison.
It makes no sense you assumed she wouldn't shoot. Alexa was very clear that's what she was going to do if you didn't rescind
And the deadline she gave passed with no shot. Alexa shot as soon as Alison started posting, which was the last thing I would have expected.
OK, what kind of timeline are we talking here "passed w/ no shot"?

I mean, there's bound to be some delay as the action gets processed by the Host. Also, assuming she wasn't going to shoot implies you had this assumption leading up to her deadline, and that it wasn't based off her being late on the shot.

You assuming she wasn't going to shoot...like, I don't see how she could've made it anymore clear that's what she was going to do.

I'm not convinced you make this play as Maf, but I will not be shocked if you get VKd for it

Alison starting to post + agreeing it was the right thing to do + him still not rescinding is exactly why. But, regardless, when it got to 2:55 and he didn't rescind, I was always gonna shoot her.

Creature wrote: ↑Sun Jan 30, 2022 4:44 pm NAA dropped plenty of signs it was a fake red check tbh

then why tf did no one else tell me not to shoot?

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