The Syndicate

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 7:33 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 7:32 pm most of the thread thinks you're a wolf so i'm not sure why you're appealing specifically to me anyway. just ignore me if i'm frustrating you.
you have 840 posts
i have 180 posts
we are not the same

they are not 840 posts of pushing on wiml

in fact i'm likely not going to say anything else about it and i'll blame esooa and Mac if it's wrong. the fact of the matter is, i've spent most of the game defending wiml - defending him to Mac, to Esooa, to the thread in general. on day 3, it is a widely townread villager's job to consider why they're being left alive. FMPOV, i'm being left alive because my POE is wrong one of the people i'm hard shielding (Wiml/Ilario) is a wolf. if Illario gets scummy today then okay but i think he's just a villager.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 7:33 pm everyone: huh weird kill
alexa: no how dare you it made perfect sense when we went over it in scum chat

actually when i wolfed i acted surprised by every kill lols

most of the thread thinks you're a wolf so i'm not sure why you're appealing specifically to me anyway. just ignore me if i'm frustrating you.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 7:29 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 7:26 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 7:25 pm like ostensibly "a kill puts suspicion on alexa/ilario" but the whole point of that is that you're acknowledging that most teams kill one of alexa/ilario
i think killing in me/ilario/syn would be objectively correct for most teams
i think ilario has had more heat on him this game than syn
So your world is, what, mafia are going to take you two and me to f5 so I can vote ilario?

no? i think one of me/ilario dies tonight

Wiml i'm not listening to your argument on why you're town because you would've done X or Y when it's all effectively WIFOM. just find wolves and stop defending yourself

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 7:25 pm like ostensibly "a kill puts suspicion on alexa/ilario" but the whole point of that is that you're acknowledging that most teams kill one of alexa/ilario

i think killing in me/ilario/syn would be objectively correct for most teams
i think ilario has had more heat on him this game than syn

Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 7:24 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 7:22 pm
Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 7:21 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 7:20 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 7:18 pm like I understand the purpose of a syn kill and I'm not... surprised by it? but it's not correct smh

(this is also wiml's take)
syn has no spew and killing them drums up suspicion between me and ilario when that slot was never gonna be chopped
like i literally expected that kill for most wolf teams

whatever
Neither you nor illario ever gets chopped today tbh and no wolf team would ever let you both be alive in F5 as t/t.

You're not even thinking this through.
this is not f5
- You are never getting chopped today, no matter how much suspicion is on you. Neither is illario.
- You're never both alive at F5 anyway unless one of you is a wolf.
- "But the kill is to put suspicion on me/illario"

No.

syn was also never getting chopped today and had no spew
i'm not listening to this argument anyway

Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 7:22 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 7:21 pm
Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 7:19 pm alexa I'm sorry but you're making it impossible to play.
i don't get what you're arguing because you're also saying that i'm more likely wolf than ilario? like you're trying to argue that i should be re-valing ilario while also calling us both town?
No, I'm arguing that leaving you and illario alive us an incredibly bad move if I were a wolf and you've decided it's time to drown me out of the game now.

you were literally next on the hitlist after that EOD no matter who you killed in me/ilario/Syn? how would me or ilario dying over Syn advance your wincon? Esooa was an obvious villager.

Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 7:21 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 7:20 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 7:18 pm like I understand the purpose of a syn kill and I'm not... surprised by it? but it's not correct smh

(this is also wiml's take)
syn has no spew and killing them drums up suspicion between me and ilario when that slot was never gonna be chopped
like i literally expected that kill for most wolf teams

whatever
Neither you nor illario ever gets chopped today tbh and no wolf team would ever let you both be alive in F5 as t/t.

You're not even thinking this through.

this is not f5

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 7:20 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 7:19 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 7:17 pm i have read your posts today
and you don't see me re-valing?

i have ilario's iso open and i still don't see it. if we yeet a villager and both of us live again then okay, i'll go more in depth, but i'm re-valling every read i have outside of him atm
i was asking specifically about lime

not sure yet

Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 7:19 pm alexa I'm sorry but you're making it impossible to play.

i don't get what you're arguing because you're also saying that i'm more likely wolf than ilario? like you're trying to argue that i should be re-valing ilario while also calling us both town?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 7:18 pm like I understand the purpose of a syn kill and I'm not... surprised by it? but it's not correct smh

(this is also wiml's take)

syn has no spew and killing them drums up suspicion between me and ilario when that slot was never gonna be chopped
like i literally expected that kill for most wolf teams

whatever

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 7:17 pm i have read your posts today

and you don't see me re-valing?

i have ilario's iso open and i still don't see it. if we yeet a villager and both of us live again then okay, i'll go more in depth, but i'm re-valling every read i have outside of him atm

Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 7:17 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 7:14 pm
Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 7:13 pm Alexa if you're the third wolf in any world where I'm a wolf then fine.

But we just kill the ayer you're hard shielding with completely different pushes to you for most of the day.
read my posts and tell me i'm shielding ilario any more than i'm shielding esooa? the only reason it's obvious is because NO ONE else sussed esooa. this discussion is pointless. if you're arguing that esooa was ever a plausible push then prove it
I know you. I know you woukd never in a million years let illario get chopped here regardless of his alignment lol.

i don't care, syn was also literally never going to get chopped.

syn was the best kill for anyone who wanted to drum up suspicion on me/ilario or get us paranoia of each other. syn was never going to be misyeeted

@TonyStarkPrime read my posts today & see

Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 7:13 pm Alexa if you're the third wolf in any world where I'm a wolf then fine.

But we just kill the ayer you're hard shielding with completely different pushes to you for most of the day.

read my posts and tell me i'm shielding ilario any more than i'm shielding esooa? the only reason it's obvious is because NO ONE else sussed esooa. this discussion is pointless. if you're arguing that esooa was ever a plausible push then prove it

Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 7:10 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 7:07 pm
Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 7:03 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 6:55 pm
Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 6:52 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 6:49 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 6:47 pm

really?
yeah subs are wildcard slots so if the wolf team is doing well it makes sense to kill them, especially subs into highly townread slots.
If the wolf team is doing well enough that your Logic here makes sense then it contains you or illario, possibly Ender at a stretch?
wiml i don't know why you would kill me or illario
we have literally been your biggest supporters. you wouldn't kill Nanook/TSP who have sussed you the most because they're in POE
your logic makes sense if you're a villager but i think a wolf team with you on it easily wants loud thread voices defending you or you feel can talk into voting with you alive
1. You're effectively an innocent child.
2. illario is effectively an innocent child for as long as you're alive because you're hard fighting any push on him.
3. You literally promised to re-eval all your reads yesterday and I know you well enough that you obviously would?
4. illario wanted me dead for half of D2 anyway.
5. 7 players alive. 2 Innocent child slots. 2 wolves if you're t/t. That's a tiny miselim pool.
6. Your behaviour today.

Literally everyone else besides you is acknowledging this lol. Including Mac at EoD yesterday who was so confident I was a wolf that he was preglipling me for his reads.
syn literally had less suspicion on him than ilario though? like that slot effectively subbed into an Innocent Child slot. i have no idea why this is so shocking to anyone
Esooa isn't polarised. Syn has been described in the past as purposefully LHF and has a low effort sub in meta. The slot was far from locked in town.

It's literally impossible for illario to get eliminated this game while you're alive regardless of his alignment.

I think you're really not self aware about your influence on the thread here lol.

Esooa was blatantly obvious town to everyone in the game polarized or not. And Syn from my experienced is a wild card, that slot was beyond locked as town

it would've been impossible for ilario or syn to get eliminated while i was alive.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 7:09 pm team is lc/wiml they don't kill alexa because alexa is basically a third wolf and alexa's not surprised by this because... she knows it to be true?

yeah i figured if i lived then it meant i was 3rd wolfing. i always re-val day 3 when i'm vil

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 7:08 pm anyways here's where we're at:

alexa is hard townshielding ilario
wiml is hard townshielding alexa
ender is hard anti-townshielding LC
nanook is sheeping mac
tsp is probably also sheeping mac when it comes down to it
alexa thinks wiml is town
ender probably has to be a wolf?
but ender probably isn't a wolf with wiml according to the fact that I'm sheeping mac and he said so for reasons I don't remember
also i don't think ender is a wolf
so then it's probably wiml/LC
but alexa doesn't think it's that
am i misreading nanook?
eh
no

i no longer think wiml is town with any degree of confidence. im sheeping mac and esooa who both have actually seen him wolf, yes, but i'm also alive for a reason and i'm not stupid

Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 7:03 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 6:55 pm
Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 6:52 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 6:49 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 6:47 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 6:44 pm i was literally expecting Syn to die ngl
really?
yeah subs are wildcard slots so if the wolf team is doing well it makes sense to kill them, especially subs into highly townread slots.
If the wolf team is doing well enough that your Logic here makes sense then it contains you or illario, possibly Ender at a stretch?
wiml i don't know why you would kill me or illario
we have literally been your biggest supporters. you wouldn't kill Nanook/TSP who have sussed you the most because they're in POE
your logic makes sense if you're a villager but i think a wolf team with you on it easily wants loud thread voices defending you or you feel can talk into voting with you alive
1. You're effectively an innocent child.
2. illario is effectively an innocent child for as long as you're alive because you're hard fighting any push on him.
3. You literally promised to re-eval all your reads yesterday and I know you well enough that you obviously would?
4. illario wanted me dead for half of D2 anyway.
5. 7 players alive. 2 Innocent child slots. 2 wolves if you're t/t. That's a tiny miselim pool.
6. Your behaviour today.

Literally everyone else besides you is acknowledging this lol. Including Mac at EoD yesterday who was so confident I was a wolf that he was preglipling me for his reads.

syn literally had less suspicion on him than ilario though? like that slot effectively subbed into an Innocent Child slot. i have no idea why this is so shocking to anyone

Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 6:52 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 6:49 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 6:47 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 6:44 pm i was literally expecting Syn to die ngl
really?
yeah subs are wildcard slots so if the wolf team is doing well it makes sense to kill them, especially subs into highly townread slots.
If the wolf team is doing well enough that your Logic here makes sense then it contains you or illario, possibly Ender at a stretch?

wiml i don't know why you would kill me or illario
we have literally been your biggest supporters. you wouldn't kill Nanook/TSP who have sussed you the most because they're in POE
your logic makes sense if you're a villager but i think a wolf team with you on it easily wants loud thread voices defending you or you feel can talk into voting with you alive

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 6:47 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 6:44 pm i was literally expecting Syn to die ngl
really?

yeah subs are wildcard slots so if the wolf team is doing well it makes sense to kill them, especially subs into highly townread slots.

i have ilario's ISO open and i still feel beyond confident that he's a villager. i can case it if needed but like i'm pretty sure if you engage with him at all you'll see it..

i doon't know why we're both alive. i can only assume it's because we're loud thread voices who have been pushing terrible reads and scum only needs one more ML to LYLO. if we're both alive in LYLO i'll spot-check more

i was literally expecting Syn to die ngl

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 6:36 pm
Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 6:35 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 6:32 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 6:30 pm Also the fact that alexa and ilario are both still alive atp pretty strongly suggests one of them is mafia
that's pretty not true, ilario and i have been left alive for awhile as t/t because we were either pushing wrong reads or people were pushing on us

and alison was, as you noted, a common N1 kill
and Syn was a wildcard who subbed into a universally townread slot

like yeah it makes me want to re-val him but i don't think it strongly suggests anything. in fact he tends to kill me pretty early when he's scum because he feels bad manipulating me, i can show you examples
I think any team with players who are experienced with you and illario would never allow you both to be alive in F7 if t/t, only because even if your reasons for townreading each other are bad I think I have literally never seen you reevaluate each other once locked in for like the 10+ games we've played together.
Has one of them ever gotten the other wrong

at points but i've never hard shielded him as town unless he was actually town because he had very polarized ranges

does Syn have experience with Wiml's wolf game?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 6:30 pm Also the fact that alexa and ilario are both still alive atp pretty strongly suggests one of them is mafia

that's pretty not true, ilario and i have been left alive for awhile as t/t because we were either pushing wrong reads or people were pushing on us

and alison was, as you noted, a common N1 kill
and Syn was a wildcard who subbed into a universally townread slot

like yeah it makes me want to re-val him but i don't think it strongly suggests anything. in fact he tends to kill me pretty early when he's scum because he feels bad manipulating me, i can show you examples

Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 6:27 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 6:25 pm Like, ok, let's look at this collectively

Mac has a ton of experience with me and we found each other before he died, normally thats a sheepable read

Alexa and ilario have a bunch of experience with each other and vouch for each other, wiml also has experience I believe and vouches for both

I have experience with ender and vouch for him

I don't know if this applies to lime or not but I think he's been largely townread afaik so I'm counting it

So that leaves wiml and tsp. Iirc Alexa vouched for wiml prior to today, or am I remembering wrong?

So, yeah, you guys see the problem here yes?
alexa should know I'm town tbh yeah.

But this is why I'm coming to you/TSP mostly by default tbh.

really because you're acting nothing like your previous town games? i've never seen you get this toxic.

i mean i'll read the case on Nook like whatever but i'm not going to just fall back into the same incorrect POE when i'm alive for a reason, sorry

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 6:25 pm Like, ok, let's look at this collectively

Mac has a ton of experience with me and we found each other before he died, normally thats a sheepable read

Alexa and ilario have a bunch of experience with each other and vouch for each other, wiml also has experience I believe and vouches for both

I have experience with ender and vouch for him

I don't know if this applies to lime or not but I think he's been largely townread afaik so I'm counting it

So that leaves wiml and tsp. Iirc Alexa vouched for wiml prior to today, or am I remembering wrong?

So, yeah, you guys see the problem here yes?

i'm not vouching for wiml anymore. the only person i'm shielding is illario and even then i'd re-val

Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 6:25 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 6:23 pm ya'll should've flipped Nanook with me when i was pushing on him yesterday
you had your chance

i no longer want to vote him and i'm not calling back into the same incorrect POE after getting it wrong the first two times. NANOOK is a villager.
I was the person trying to organise the flash wagon on him ffs.

you were calling Mac your top scumread.

Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 6:24 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 6:17 pm i'm not voting for Nanook today after Mac and Matt's flip
simple
I really don't want to be insulting here but regardless of Nook's actual alignment your approach here is awful.

how?

and seriously please stop the ATE it's fucking annoying.

like you literally wasted yesterday by pushing Mac when we could've chopped Nook when I wanted to
i'm not doing that now

ya'll should've flipped Nanook with me when i was pushing on him yesterday
you had your chance

i no longer want to vote him and i'm not calling back into the same incorrect POE after getting it wrong the first two times. NANOOK is a villager.

i'm not voting for Nanook today after Mac and Matt's flip
simple

Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 6:13 pm Honestly we deserve to lose this.

If you think there's any world where I leave both of alexa and illario alive in a F7 no matter how right or wrong their reads are then you're insane lol.

really? i was predicting that unless scum was like in [tony, Nanook, Ender] then Syn was highly likely to die. me and ilario have both been townreading you a bunch.

Wiml wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 6:13 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 6:07 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 6:05 pm Anyways now that we've killed two people in the collective poe that I correctly townread can we start killing the people I want to kill or are we just gonna keep doing the same thing and hoping it works
i'm sheeping Mac's read on you so i'm not killing you. i still think illario is a villager but i'm willing to re-assess him today
anyone else you want to kill i'm open to
Why are you sheeping Mac's read specifically on Nook?

becuase he had Nanook as strong town and he has tons of experience with the guy

[VOTE: WIML] aubergine

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed Aug 04, 2021 6:05 pm Anyways now that we've killed two people in the collective poe that I correctly townread can we start killing the people I want to kill or are we just gonna keep doing the same thing and hoping it works

i'm sheeping Mac's read on you so i'm not killing you. i still think illario is a villager but i'm willing to re-assess him today
anyone else you want to kill i'm open to

i'm resetting all my reads from scratch cuz if they were good ones i wouldn't be alive

we can still talk ??

there's no time to go to nanook now without sacc'ing LC

nanook has no voters

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 6:04 pm [VOTE: lime coke] aubergine

wolfy popin tbh

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 6:03 pm But like wolf mac would be aware of this and would realize he’s inevitably just forcing his own yeet by doing all this? Like what’s the purpose of all this for him as wolf?

if he's a wolf with someone POE'd then v!Wiml would be a possible important ML?

then vote Mac, or we can vote Nanook

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 6:01 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 6:00 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 5:58 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 5:56 pm i'm not going to say anything else toward Mac but our reads are so sharply different i find it hard to believe we're the same alignment
This is not a good way to play the game from the top alexa. You are basically thread spewed town and everyone's top town. The chances of your reads being bad are very high from that perspective. Otherwise the mafia would not be content to let you be. From your perspective you need to be conscious of those most close to you.
i start worrying about this ~day 3
Interesting you think you're living to day 3.

that's my point
if i'm alive day 3 as town i re-val

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 6:00 pm I think I’m just gonna stay out of this vote tbh
And it’s not that I’m worried about how I’ll look if I misvote, I really don’t care about that, it’s just I don’t feel confident and I feel that if there is a wolf outside of mac present rn they can just justify voting whatever misvote I choose by saying they were voting with their tr (aka me)

id prefer you voted :/

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 5:58 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 5:56 pm i'm not going to say anything else toward Mac but our reads are so sharply different i find it hard to believe we're the same alignment
This is not a good way to play the game from the top alexa. You are basically thread spewed town and everyone's top town. The chances of your reads being bad are very high from that perspective. Otherwise the mafia would not be content to let you be. From your perspective you need to be conscious of those most close to you.

i start worrying about this ~day 3

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 5:56 pm Lmao I’m so confused, cos everything mac is doing i can see myself doing too

if you want to go NANOOK ill vote with you
i dont understand why Mac is so firm on NAN town.

i'm not going to say anything else toward Mac but our reads are so sharply different i find it hard to believe we're the same alignment

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