The Syndicate

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jan 03, 2022 1:09 am and then when dyslexicon died second it should have been really clear that there was a wolf in LC/Alexa (cuz if they're both town the wolves would have broken that pair up within 2 nights every time) and in that dichotomy it should have been obvious who it was because of how IC LC was being and meta... and also the fact that Ilario died n1.

Very solvable game that was won by solid pro wolf agenda moves.

fwiw i would never have killed dyslexicon second (because that looked damning for me) if we didn't get a positive barista check which was the only capability of my role lmfao it was 100% a PR kill cuz i didn't know how strong barista was

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Dec 22, 2021 12:42 am
alexa wrote: ↑Wed Dec 22, 2021 12:40 am
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed Dec 22, 2021 12:30 am hi im mafia and gay
i don't think w!spf could write this
i don't think w!alexa could write this

great moment

there was a point in time when an illario n1 kill would just make me hard town but yeah lmao

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jan 03, 2022 1:00 am
alexa wrote: ↑Mon Jan 03, 2022 12:59 am illario was listening to LC so we killed him lmao
the ilario kill spewed you mafia so hard and it didn't occur to me until the night I died... I literally looked at nks that night and was like WAAAIT ILARIO DIED N1 WTF ALEXA IS MAFIA then died

i mean.. this is fair, i got scared of him wilding out on me and so did spf lmao

illario was listening to LC so we killed him lmao

almost* everyone

i just feel like LC deserves some credit for correctly casing SPF right into day 1 for accurate/good reasons and it should not all just be "lollcsimp" stuff. yes he misread me but if everyone in game didn't talk him out of his spf read then ya'll coulda won

(i also forgot about that and was thinking more of all the people who stepped in to defend her) but yeah

nobody else called spf mafia in a way that would be listened to*

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Jan 03, 2022 12:47 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Dec 22, 2021 8:23 pm the mafia in this game are SPF, Ilario and DrWilgy. You're welcome.
excuse me

i mean

sure but you are also a rabbit who will entertain anyone as mafia at any moment

VS. LC called her out at the right time for the right reasons, and alison/esooa/etc defended her anyways

shrug, LC was much more threatening fmpov day 1

the ironic part of anyone dragging LC in post is he was the only one day 1 besides illario to correctly call out SPF as mafia lol

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 11:50 pm i have some mixed feelings on this game overall but thanks to marmot for hosting - i like the simplicity of the setup even if it didn't totally come to fruition, and it was a pleasure to wolf with alexa/wilgy

you too <3 also enjoyed dizzy/LC/TSP/nook this game

and ty marmot for hosting

nya, goodbye~

Gira wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 11:38 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 11:36 pmim sorry .-.
whatever

you really went over the line imo but i don't care to debate it, the game is over and we can peacefully go our separate ways

like i said in game today, my emotional stuff was indeed over the line but NAI and not like, more over the line as one alignment, it was just how i felt and shouldn't have factored into you reading my alignment

what is a barista btw

we got so lucky and copped you n1

im sorry .-.

[VOTE: GIRA] aubergine

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 11:16 pm TSP>Gira>Alexa>SPF

Most to least want to kill.

Spoiler: show
I might be a coward.

what happened to make SPF your least kill?

Gira wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 11:11 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 11:05 pm i admittedly read parts of this thread while very drunk so if i missed it that's on me but i would appreciate if you could walk me through your thought process and not sass me
god what a sucker punch of a post

it's okay i'm not going to sass you

i don't know it's just a thing i get where sometimes when i'm tunneling someone and getting in a shouting match i start to have doubts about it, it's nothing concrete necessarily

it's difficult because i have doubts on everyone but reading lc he makes the most sense

the most concerning thing to me is i'm reading your recent posts as you thinking the world is LC/me

is that what you're saying?

i admittedly read parts of this thread while very drunk so if i missed it that's on me but i would appreciate if you could walk me through your thought process and not sass me

Gira wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 11:02 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 11:01 pm
Gira wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 11:00 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 10:58 pm You get the moral victory when you win the game not when you vote for town and the game ends
point is i'd rather control my own destiny and vote what i feel is right even if i lose that 1v1
i don't understand why you're now off of SPF?
have you actually been following my line of thought or were you taking me voting her as a given

i saw your "i'm not sure you're actually a wolf" to her but i don't remember exactly what led to it, so, i'm asking

Gira wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 11:00 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 10:58 pm You get the moral victory when you win the game not when you vote for town and the game ends
point is i'd rather control my own destiny and vote what i feel is right even if i lose that 1v1

i don't understand why you're now off of SPF?

alexa wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 10:59 pm if i held myself back from voting tonight due to like mental stuff and someone else votes and they're town and it's wrong i'm going to be quote annoyed because i can do a lot more tomorrow morning

quite*

if i held myself back from voting tonight due to like mental stuff and someone else votes and they're town and it's wrong i'm going to be quote annoyed because i can do a lot more tomorrow morning

a trigger-happy part of me wants to vote SPF to avoid a gira/LC cross but lol i'm
kind of in a mental state tonight that makes it better-off i vote tomorrow

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 8:55 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 8:42 pm
Gira wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 8:41 pm but process-wise i am staunchly against waiting until the last minute for the first vote in ELO
yeah that's fair, i believe very strongly that people should wait at ~least 24 hours before voting in LYLO in 99% of situations, but we're at a point where i wouldnt really be mad if someone ended up voting because it feels like the thread is in somewhat of a stalemate

that said, if youre town then i dont really think that LC is the right vote. not sure how to convince you otherwise
Either you and TSP or you and Alexa.

so you're lock on SPF wolf?

im not willing to lose to LC but i have enough reason to believe he's town that this is something i wouldn't deal with before F3

the 'dumbass tell' strikes again

(i don't even remember if he did that here or not)

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 7:52 pm Was CRich calling people "dumbasses" during the anon game?

yes, did he not do that in multiball or collseum?

maybe there's not the same exact level of passion/emotion behind it? but imo it can easily be from like reading back on the game and not being there in real time, the actual sentiments he expresses aren't very different

and a lot of "you can do better than that" etc, similar stuff

Gira wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 7:49 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 7:45 pm Crichard getting emotional under pressure as town is not "always" (like, when i subbed into anon game, he was saying he was fine dying), it's in sporadic bursts of moment

he says "Pathetic response. You're cornered I get it." to a vote on him which is like, imo a similar sentiment
no not really at all, the point is that as town he gets frustrated at being scumread that doesn't happen as mafia it's a very basic sort of tell

how is calling someone pathetic not getting frustrated?

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 7:48 pm
Gira wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 7:43 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 7:39 pm In all seriousness I'm actually putting pressure on myself here and it's probably unnecessary given how the game has gone...

Which is kind of "lol" to say the least after Day 2 started.
i don't get what this is supposed to mean?
If I'm wrong a lot of scrutiny from others and I'm mad at myself.

other people are dumb, ignore them

is the best takeaway i've gotten from mafia

Crichard getting emotional under pressure as town is not "always" (like, when i subbed into anon game, he was saying he was fine dying), it's in sporadic bursts of moment

he says "Pathetic response. You're cornered I get it." to a vote on him which is like, imo a similar sentiment

he doesn't take it quite as far as this game i don't think but a lot of emotional anger "pathetic"ness calls toward people/defeatism at points/etc - so like that stuff alone should be NAI

yeah i'm looking at Multiball game and... definitely don't think he's out of his scum range

miscleared Crich, I assume? his play since returning has been very different from what i saw from him months ago so i'm wondering if he has a scum game since returning

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 6:52 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 6:49 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 6:47 pm Esooa was one of the people trying to stop a Wilgy wagon for reasons of "He's always getting yeeted Day 1."

Annnd TSP was calling himself a good Falcon reader and misvoted him.
CRichard is carrying that slot by a mile
Annnnd I've miscleared him a few times recently...

was this on TS?

like, my brain is already at TSP is setting me up if he flips today

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 6:47 pm Esooa was one of the people trying to stop a Wilgy wagon for reasons of "He's always getting yeeted Day 1."

Annnd TSP was calling himself a good Falcon reader and misvoted him.

CRichard is carrying that slot by a mile

if it wasn't LYLO i would find this pretty hilarious

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 6:45 pm wait you were in pokemash?

as ducklett yes, you subbed in and said "yeah i'm not opening that ISO"

this is me viciously trying to defend myself while TSP is making us look more W/W, ok lol

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 6:43 pm isn't it odd that I, self-proclaimed "really good Alexa reader", has not expressed a single read on alexa?

not really, you didn't express a read on me in pokemash either

also @staypositivefriend you said that w!Esooa hard defends her partners, but Esooa pushed on me early game and kept pulling up reasons not to townread me?

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 6:38 pm Like the Esooa/Alexa stuff Day 2 could've been a light distance in that "We're just going to get in a slight battle but back off immediately" type of thing.

you should reread Esooa ISO then

and tbh my ISO early game

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 6:37 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 6:34 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 6:32 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 6:29 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 6:27 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 6:19 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 6:18 pm

im actually starting to think that it's you and TSP which probably just means that we lose the game
Why's that?
the fact that alexa is still alive in the f5 could be indicative of her being a deepwolf. when i pair that with the fact that she has been not-so-subtly trying to steer the rest of the game into pushing on me and positioning herself to end the day with her vote on me, it's pretty easy to see her as a deepwolf that is playing with the specific agenda to get me killed today. i also think the fact that her read on gira shifted as unnaturally (IMO) as it did could be indicative of her trying to pocket him and steer him into voting for me

esooa/CR/TSP has strongly towntold throughout a lot of this game, but the bulk of my reasoning to townread them boils down to: "emotion", which is the type of thing that i tend to misclear people for more often than not. if i remove "emotion" from the picture, i'm not really sure if i have any compelling reasons to townread the TSP slot. TSP has been explicitly egging on gira's scumread on me and outright trying to get him to vote for me, which also aligns with the agenda of a wolf that's trying to win the game today by getting me killed

above all else, the thing that makes me suspicious of an alexa/TSP team is that their treatment of gira has an interesting synchronicity to it. both of them have been treating gira in a pockety, overly cloying way and both of them have been subtly trying to push gira into voting for me (or in TSP's case, he is also quite possibly trying to get gira to vote for lime coke as well). the way that alexa and TSP are treating gira feels oddly strategic to me, which could be indicative of them just being mafia together
what do you feel about us (me/you) both having the same exact view of TSP then?
the fact that you scumread TSP but you aren't pushing on him is only adding to my paranoia that the two of you might be teamed together

it is EXTREMELY common for wolves in LYLO situations to scumread two players, one town and one mafia, and then push on the town more than they push on the mafia. this is how i caught wolves in LYLO on epicmafia like 99% of the time, by just forcing them to out two scumreads and then seeing who they pushed on more lol
i think we've shown a similar hesitancy to push TSP though is my point? whereas Gira is straight-up locking him as town - and the reasoning i brought up hesitancy on TSP is virtually identical to you
yeah, we have shown a similar hesitancy to push on TSP, but i don't really understand the point that you're making. if youre town then FYPOV i guess it makes sense that you might think me/TSP work as a team for similar reasoning that i think you/TSP work as a team

i mean you're presenting this as me/TSP being W/W because i'm throwing him in a pair without pushing on him while i'm echoing your exact reasonings (Crichard emotional stuff ) for feeling reluctant to push there AND saying that now that it's LYLO i feel like the stakes are higher so i'm looking for additional reasons to townread the slot, like i feel like that is such to a Tee what you just said that you would consider that a bit more and interact with it rather than "Alexa/TSP W/W"

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 6:33 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 6:32 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 6:29 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 6:27 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 6:19 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 6:18 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 6:16 pm SPF wolfreads Gira right
im actually starting to think that it's you and TSP which probably just means that we lose the game
Why's that?
the fact that alexa is still alive in the f5 could be indicative of her being a deepwolf. when i pair that with the fact that she has been not-so-subtly trying to steer the rest of the game into pushing on me and positioning herself to end the day with her vote on me, it's pretty easy to see her as a deepwolf that is playing with the specific agenda to get me killed today. i also think the fact that her read on gira shifted as unnaturally (IMO) as it did could be indicative of her trying to pocket him and steer him into voting for me

esooa/CR/TSP has strongly towntold throughout a lot of this game, but the bulk of my reasoning to townread them boils down to: "emotion", which is the type of thing that i tend to misclear people for more often than not. if i remove "emotion" from the picture, i'm not really sure if i have any compelling reasons to townread the TSP slot. TSP has been explicitly egging on gira's scumread on me and outright trying to get him to vote for me, which also aligns with the agenda of a wolf that's trying to win the game today by getting me killed

above all else, the thing that makes me suspicious of an alexa/TSP team is that their treatment of gira has an interesting synchronicity to it. both of them have been treating gira in a pockety, overly cloying way and both of them have been subtly trying to push gira into voting for me (or in TSP's case, he is also quite possibly trying to get gira to vote for lime coke as well). the way that alexa and TSP are treating gira feels oddly strategic to me, which could be indicative of them just being mafia together
what do you feel about us (me/you) both having the same exact view of TSP then?
the fact that you scumread TSP but you aren't pushing on him is only adding to my paranoia that the two of you might be teamed together

it is EXTREMELY common for wolves in LYLO situations to scumread two players, one town and one mafia, and then push on the town more than they push on the mafia. this is how i caught wolves in LYLO on epicmafia like 99% of the time, by just forcing them to out two scumreads and then seeing who they pushed on more lol
look you lose to me/alexa something like 600 percent of the time so please maybe think about other players the second paragraph might apply to

this is not going to help people tinfoiling us smh

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 6:32 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 6:29 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 6:27 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 6:19 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 6:18 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 6:16 pm SPF wolfreads Gira right
im actually starting to think that it's you and TSP which probably just means that we lose the game
Why's that?
the fact that alexa is still alive in the f5 could be indicative of her being a deepwolf. when i pair that with the fact that she has been not-so-subtly trying to steer the rest of the game into pushing on me and positioning herself to end the day with her vote on me, it's pretty easy to see her as a deepwolf that is playing with the specific agenda to get me killed today. i also think the fact that her read on gira shifted as unnaturally (IMO) as it did could be indicative of her trying to pocket him and steer him into voting for me

esooa/CR/TSP has strongly towntold throughout a lot of this game, but the bulk of my reasoning to townread them boils down to: "emotion", which is the type of thing that i tend to misclear people for more often than not. if i remove "emotion" from the picture, i'm not really sure if i have any compelling reasons to townread the TSP slot. TSP has been explicitly egging on gira's scumread on me and outright trying to get him to vote for me, which also aligns with the agenda of a wolf that's trying to win the game today by getting me killed

above all else, the thing that makes me suspicious of an alexa/TSP team is that their treatment of gira has an interesting synchronicity to it. both of them have been treating gira in a pockety, overly cloying way and both of them have been subtly trying to push gira into voting for me (or in TSP's case, he is also quite possibly trying to get gira to vote for lime coke as well). the way that alexa and TSP are treating gira feels oddly strategic to me, which could be indicative of them just being mafia together
what do you feel about us (me/you) both having the same exact view of TSP then?
the fact that you scumread TSP but you aren't pushing on him is only adding to my paranoia that the two of you might be teamed together

it is EXTREMELY common for wolves in LYLO situations to scumread two players, one town and one mafia, and then push on the town more than they push on the mafia. this is how i caught wolves in LYLO on epicmafia like 99% of the time, by just forcing them to out two scumreads and then seeing who they pushed on more lol

i think we've shown a similar hesitancy to push TSP though is my point? whereas Gira is straight-up locking him as town - and the reasoning i brought up hesitancy on TSP is virtually identical to you

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 6:28 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 6:23 pm fwiw the only times i've felt toward spf "if you're town, what you're doing is frustrating AF" she's been mafia
whatttt? this is so not true lol, i can recall you getting frustrated by me in the last game we played together (the hydra game) because i was fixated on your read on me

i wasn't really frustrated, just confused

the only time you really tilted me was in Reflections

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 6:27 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 6:19 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 6:18 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Sun Jan 02, 2022 6:16 pm SPF wolfreads Gira right
im actually starting to think that it's you and TSP which probably just means that we lose the game
Why's that?
the fact that alexa is still alive in the f5 could be indicative of her being a deepwolf. when i pair that with the fact that she has been not-so-subtly trying to steer the rest of the game into pushing on me and positioning herself to end the day with her vote on me, it's pretty easy to see her as a deepwolf that is playing with the specific agenda to get me killed today. i also think the fact that her read on gira shifted as unnaturally (IMO) as it did could be indicative of her trying to pocket him and steer him into voting for me

esooa/CR/TSP has strongly towntold throughout a lot of this game, but the bulk of my reasoning to townread them boils down to: "emotion", which is the type of thing that i tend to misclear people for more often than not. if i remove "emotion" from the picture, i'm not really sure if i have any compelling reasons to townread the TSP slot. TSP has been explicitly egging on gira's scumread on me and outright trying to get him to vote for me, which also aligns with the agenda of a wolf that's trying to win the game today by getting me killed

above all else, the thing that makes me suspicious of an alexa/TSP team is that their treatment of gira has an interesting synchronicity to it. both of them have been treating gira in a pockety, overly cloying way and both of them have been subtly trying to push gira into voting for me (or in TSP's case, he is also quite possibly trying to get gira to vote for lime coke as well). the way that alexa and TSP are treating gira feels oddly strategic to me, which could be indicative of them just being mafia together

what do you feel about us (me/you) both having the same exact view of TSP then?

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