The Syndicate

hawkataine wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 9:59 am

Sonny wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 9:55 am

hawkataine wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 9:35 am @Sonny can you expand on how you progressed from having Owner as town in your nutella interactions post, to voting her in your next couple of posts (admittedly a few hours later) because she pinged you?

The interaction looked okay in my overnight review and I hadn't read anything when I posted it. As I was catching up she had done nothing and her claim tweaked me. There's nothing wrong with a flower vendor claim but I have a feeling she's done it before as a fake claim, the biggest thing that made me side eye is there's no reason not to be clear on yes or no I did/did not target Jay, it was a simple question she couldn't answer which looked to me like she wasn't sure what the "correct" answer was. Pretty sure I explained at the time tho.

I'm about 10 pages behind and not going to catch up tonight as my bf is here, if I've missed questions I'll catch them tomorrow.

I guess I'm surprised that you put owner in the same tier as e.g. nanook in that reads list and yet rescinded so easily
noted

hawkataine wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 9:35 am @Sonny can you expand on how you progressed from having Owner as town in your nutella interactions post, to voting her in your next couple of posts (admittedly a few hours later) because she pinged you?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 2:08 pm Anyone:

Without looking, tell me an Actvscenei read other than “Dana is mafia”.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 1:03 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 12:55 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 12:49 pm Just as a summary, I truly was in the golden zone of drunkeness last night. I know myself, I am an artist-type and I get into that sort of zone sometimes where I have clarity and do some of my best work like that. I know when I am being a dumbass and when I am hot shit, and while I am definitely not going to promise that everything I said last night was completely correct, I was hot shit.

Owner - wolf. 10/10 dentists agree that you should vote her.

Sonny - not outed, but definitely deserves a strong look.
JJJ - not outed, but definitely deserves a strong look.
Mac - probably town.
Dana - probably town, but everyone already knew that.

Unfortunately, those were the only people I majorly interacted with, so I only split the game half open, rather than wide open.

Would you be able to articulate why you are so confident about Owner?
Some detailed thoughts on Sonny would be cool too.

I'd rather not, but I'll bet my life on an Owner scum flip.

Sonny looked very strongly like he wanted to distract me and others from my push on Owner last night. Sonny also felt uncomfortable in my interactions with him. It is hard to articulate exactly what it was that I was feeling with regards to him, but Sonny doesn't like wolfing, and I got strongly uncomfortable vibes from Sonny that reminded me of Wolf!Sonny (I've only seen him wolf once, so take this for what you will). So, super strong wolf!Sonny vibes, plus his actions having scum motive (attemping to move the thread away from an outed partner).

Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 11:11 am

Sonny wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 9:17 am

Kito wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 11:23 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 11:19 pm

Kito wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 11:19 pm I'm willing to vote bunny but I wanna hear act's opinion about it first. It's important I swear

Absolutely. I would love for those three or four to talk about one another at length.

By the way I didn't vote for anybody D1. How come I'm not in your off wagon voters POE?

Somebody else didn't vote but I can't find who it was, the vote count in the OP is making my eyes bleed

nutella - NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, MacDougall, Sonny, Alison, lost monkey, Guillotine, Made, Gavial
Made - Tangrowth, JaggedJimmyJay, nutella, Long Con, Sloonei, hawkataine, Owner of a Lonely Heart
Owner of a Lonely Heart - Dana, Allcrab, Seanzie, bad bunny
Dana - Actvscenei
Guillotine - Belzy
No vote - Garden Gnome, Kito, MartinGG99

Excuse me but my vote ended on Nutella at EoD

Gavial wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 10:46 am

Sonny wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 10:44 am What's a grave keeper?

That one that uses dead abilities.

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 10:40 am

lost monkey wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 10:39 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 10:36 am What are you guys saying about bunny's play here? She's a timid wolf?

There was no way she wouldn't have voted made if she was scum. If made is also scum with bunny and nutella, she would have still voted made because nutella being alive would have been more useful for the scum team with what was happening in the thread.

And she voted nutella?

Made wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 2:00 am

Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 1:58 am Why does it keep doing that, replying inside the quotes? I made sure I was outside the quote!!!!

Made realizes his gimmick is a bit confusing so he decided to clarify a bit.

I'm writting a shitty fan fic while playing mafia

Gavial wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 9:44 am

Kito wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 9:42 am I thought we established it wasn't a total red check? Several times??

It’s closer then whatever the fuck you got on Owner.
And these votes for this CW on Owner shows at least 1 of Hawk’s buddies is on the wagon.

Explain why there was no kill last night?
If you can’t, then vote Hawk.
Because I made sure Hawk couldn’t perform any factional killing.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 1:02 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 1:01 am That does help, thank you Dana. It gives a sense of the competition in that moment for the nutella wagon, which was at least enough to matter. 5-3. For Sonny's sake that's a decent moment, particularly given that he didn't move the vote to my knowledge.

mmmm but he lives in Australia and was probably asleep for the last 6-7 hours of the day at minimum

Kito wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 11:23 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 11:19 pm

Kito wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 11:19 pm I'm willing to vote bunny but I wanna hear act's opinion about it first. It's important I swear

Absolutely. I would love for those three or four to talk about one another at length.

By the way I didn't vote for anybody D1. How come I'm not in your off wagon voters POE?

Somebody else didn't vote but I can't find who it was, the vote count in the OP is making my eyes bleed

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 9:04 pm @Sonny thoughts on being in nutella’s town core?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 8:47 pm

Gavial wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 8:45 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 8:43 pm I am mindful of the fact that if there is even 1 mafia between Jay, Sloonei and Alison that once the two of the three that aren't that mafia and I die that person is probably just going to win, and I am very conflicted as to why the three of them are choosing to walk that path, particularly Alison, given Jay and Sloonei both acted in defense of Nutella in the most literal way and Jay in particular was present during Nutella wifom hours mopping up anti spew cred.

JJJ doesn’t hard defend his scum bud right off the bat.
Like the way he handled Nut SoD1 felt never W/W.
I was actually going to clear Nut if JJJ flipped Red because I thought JJJ was the scum within them because JJJ felt like they were trying to pocket Nut. JJJ for some reason had a very strong TR on Nut.

JJJ is a power player. He absolutely would defend his teammate because, much like me, he is rarely if ever held to account for anything he does because of his clout and when he does he can just post himself clear as either alignment.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 8:08 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 4:05 am Strong town
Jay
Sonny
Guillo
Tangy

Town leans
Gnome
Alison
Martin I guess sheeping alison
Dana
Mac
Sloonei
Hawk? Liked their style
Act maybe at this point

Gav Nook LC are more tbd
Dont remember anyone else

Going to sleep for like 12 hours gl

There is 1 wolf between Jay, Sonny and Tangy. Nutella had more deep and meaningful interactions with Tangy than Jay and Sonny up to this point. She made no effort to defend Jay from me when I tried to push him nor did any kind of "Jay is just town" deflated shit so that means she probably was enjoying him getting pushed and just townreads him here to pocket him. So the mafia between them is probably Sonny.

In the leans I would say that Martin, Hawk and Act are probably not mafia because she would be too conscious of over-elaboration as a tell. There is probably 1 mafia in this list though and it is probably Garden Gnome.

There is probably one between Gavial and Long Con also.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 8:01 pm Interactions of nutella and Belzy

Belzy's interest in figuring out nutella seems to track generally with the motion of the game (and for someone that doesn't know nutella that's not necessarily a problem). All of these posts come within a window of 11 to 7 hours prior to the Day 1 deadline. This is essentially when the nutella wagon had swelled to size, I believe initially peaking at a 7-2 or 8-2 lead. So it makes some contextual sense for Belzy to look into her.

I would say that Belzy's digging is a bit flat. The questions she hurls nutella's way (orange) are relatively token surface-level digs. On that front I don't struggle to believe that this could be distancing. That Belzy arrived at a final suspicion of nutella, but within these broad "randomly ordered" sets of names, doesn't amount to a push of much severity.

Also note that Belzy's final vote of Day 1 rested alone on Guillotine.

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Conclusion

While there isn't a ton to discuss here, I do think these two can be teammates. This isn't an interaction that sets off screaming sirens, but nor is it one that inspires any confidence in me. That off-wagon Guilltone vote stands out to me too. Belzy is a suspect.

Allcrab wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:25 am

Sonny wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:19 am

Allcrab wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:13 am

Sonny wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 5:54 am

Allcrab wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 5:07 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 5:06 pm bad bunny has extremely high wolf equity in light of nutella's flip.

I am very confidant bunny is a villager if she's a wolf she votes made 100% I'm sure of it.

Err, is this TMI?

I'll take dumbest posts I've ever read for 100 alex.

It implied you knew Made's alignment.

And yes, I've seen you addressed this now.

I've seen people say this twice now and not for nothing even if wagons were w/w I still think bunny's vote makes them village because I would assume wolves would have a preference of who goes down between made/nutella.

Allcrab wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:13 am

Sonny wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 5:54 am

Allcrab wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 5:07 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 5:06 pm bad bunny has extremely high wolf equity in light of nutella's flip.

I am very confidant bunny is a villager if she's a wolf she votes made 100% I'm sure of it.

Err, is this TMI?

I'll take dumbest posts I've ever read for 100 alex.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 5:12 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 4:21 pm Assessing the Made wagon requires answering one core question first: what is Made's alignment? At face value I think his nutella vote is bussing-compatible. The only reason to doubt that is that his wagon swelled all the way to 7 votes. That might be the more important factor.

It actually reached 8 votes and a tie for like a millisecond, unless my eyes deceived me or there was a poll glitch. I didn't have the presence of mind to screen cap it before it returned to 8-7. This was within seconds of the poll closing. Someone needs to own up to that.

I confirm there was a tie of 8 votes between them for a bit.

Allcrab wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 5:07 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 5:06 pm bad bunny has extremely high wolf equity in light of nutella's flip.

I am very confidant bunny is a villager if she's a wolf she votes made 100% I'm sure of it.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 5:48 am

Sonny wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 5:46 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 5:38 am

Dana wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 5:33 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 5:29 am

Sonny wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 5:25 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 5:19 am

Minimally owner. I could have possibly been onto more, but the only two people I will express any sort of confident read out of are Owner (very strong read), and Sonny (much much weaker but still worth something read).

Oh? What is your read on me?

I mean if you have already shared, I'll get there, but we're both here right now.

Up until recently? Town, but recently? well, all I'll say is that everyone should bookmark Sonny's reactions to me tonight for when Owner flips scum. No one will do it, and I will die tonight, but y'all SHOULD do it.

im a little confused, is sonny fighting your read on owner? what are these reactions that you mention that make sonny look bad if owner is a wolf?

He wasn't fighting me, but he tried to distract the thread. Owner is outed, and scum is super more aware of that than town (and distracted town might not be aware), and so as I talked more about Owner, if you look at Sonny's post towards me, he wanted to talk about anyone but owner.

I know right now it seems insignificant, and I don't need you to believe me today, but just remember that it happened when we flip owner and I flip in the night.

If Owner flips scum I promise to look at myself.

If you get tired of that, you can look at JJJ if you really want.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 5:38 am

Dana wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 5:33 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 5:29 am

Sonny wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 5:25 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 5:19 am

Dana wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 5:13 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 5:10 am OoO! Fun! Sonny, you also tried to distract me with Kito. I like this!

what is it that he's trying to distract you from?

Minimally owner. I could have possibly been onto more, but the only two people I will express any sort of confident read out of are Owner (very strong read), and Sonny (much much weaker but still worth something read).

Oh? What is your read on me?

I mean if you have already shared, I'll get there, but we're both here right now.

Up until recently? Town, but recently? well, all I'll say is that everyone should bookmark Sonny's reactions to me tonight for when Owner flips scum. No one will do it, and I will die tonight, but y'all SHOULD do it.

im a little confused, is sonny fighting your read on owner? what are these reactions that you mention that make sonny look bad if owner is a wolf?

He wasn't fighting me, but he tried to distract the thread. Owner is outed, and scum is super more aware of that than town (and distracted town might not be aware), and so as I talked more about Owner, if you look at Sonny's post towards me, he wanted to talk about anyone but owner.

I know right now it seems insignificant, and I don't need you to believe me today, but just remember that it happened when we flip owner and I flip in the night.

Kito wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 4:52 pm If the poll displays votes in order then guillo more or less hammered nutella, or could've swapped last moment, or did a completely unnecessary bus. So he can be town and my belzy/guillo angle was stupid after all lol.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 5:19 am

Dana wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 5:13 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 5:10 am OoO! Fun! Sonny, you also tried to distract me with Kito. I like this!

what is it that he's trying to distract you from?

Minimally owner. I could have possibly been onto more, but the only two people I will express any sort of confident read out of are Owner (very strong read), and Sonny (much much weaker but still worth something read).

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 5:16 am

Sonny wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 5:14 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 5:10 am OoO! Fun! Sonny, you also tried to distract me with Kito. I like this!

Distract you from what?

Owner.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 5:10 am OoO! Fun! Sonny, you also tried to distract me with Kito. I like this!

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 5:06 am

Sonny wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 5:03 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 4:59 am

Sonny wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 4:55 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 4:31 pm Okay, end of Page 9. Guillo pointed out possible wolves in Nutella/Alison. Guillo also went from simply bear posting to regular posting in a way I kind of like (he wanted to do a gimmick, but then it feels like he just got excited as town and dropped the gimmick). Clearly Nutella was a hit, and I agree about Alison thus far. Mac also kind of pushed in that direction, and Nutella seems to be trying to butter Mac up afterwards (defended Mac at some point, and talked about how good Mac was in spiderverse, blah blah blah), so I am giving Mac a few town points here. Guillo probably also good, but seems to be getting less reactions from Nutella and others. I'd like to see Alison's flip to help sort these two.

What would Alison's flip mean for Guillo and Mac?

At this point? Jack (I didn't intend this, but realized afterwards that I think the bear is called jack? very funny;)) shit in my mind. I have a singular focus. I feel like I am the owner of a whole new idea.

I suspect this may be the point where I stop making sense of your posts. It's hella fun tho.

Was it a serious question, Sonny? Because to me it read like a question to divert my attention. If it it was a serious question, I will give it a bit more seriousness.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 4:59 am

Sonny wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 4:55 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 4:31 pm Okay, end of Page 9. Guillo pointed out possible wolves in Nutella/Alison. Guillo also went from simply bear posting to regular posting in a way I kind of like (he wanted to do a gimmick, but then it feels like he just got excited as town and dropped the gimmick). Clearly Nutella was a hit, and I agree about Alison thus far. Mac also kind of pushed in that direction, and Nutella seems to be trying to butter Mac up afterwards (defended Mac at some point, and talked about how good Mac was in spiderverse, blah blah blah), so I am giving Mac a few town points here. Guillo probably also good, but seems to be getting less reactions from Nutella and others. I'd like to see Alison's flip to help sort these two.

What would Alison's flip mean for Guillo and Mac?

At this point? Jack (I didn't intend this, but realized afterwards that I think the bear is called jack? very funny;)) shit in my mind. I have a singular focus. I feel like I am the owner of a whole new idea.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 4:55 am

Sonny wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 4:53 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 4:23 pm

hawkataine wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 4:21 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 4:19 pm I'd like to blast into my token interactive analyses. That's going to be challenging with 900 players especially as I am getting quite busy outside this game. Who wants to volunteer to help old man Jay out with some names?

idk what exactly you mean by this but I currently have a 24x24 chart I'm filling out with teaming likelihood colours lmao

I have literally never seen a human do that who isn't me (that exact kind of colored matrix). Please carry on hawkwataine. Please carry on.

Same! Not this game as I'd have to re-write the macro and nested quotes would destroy me (and not by teams), but same.

I appreciate the fact that your issues with nested quotes are technical in nature. I am also not sure if I am trying to pocket you, or if you are trying to pocket me, based on this fact.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 4:31 pm Okay, end of Page 9. Guillo pointed out possible wolves in Nutella/Alison. Guillo also went from simply bear posting to regular posting in a way I kind of like (he wanted to do a gimmick, but then it feels like he just got excited as town and dropped the gimmick). Clearly Nutella was a hit, and I agree about Alison thus far. Mac also kind of pushed in that direction, and Nutella seems to be trying to butter Mac up afterwards (defended Mac at some point, and talked about how good Mac was in spiderverse, blah blah blah), so I am giving Mac a few town points here. Guillo probably also good, but seems to be getting less reactions from Nutella and others. I'd like to see Alison's flip to help sort these two.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 4:23 pm

hawkataine wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 4:21 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 4:19 pm I'd like to blast into my token interactive analyses. That's going to be challenging with 900 players especially as I am getting quite busy outside this game. Who wants to volunteer to help old man Jay out with some names?

idk what exactly you mean by this but I currently have a 24x24 chart I'm filling out with teaming likelihood colours lmao

I have literally never seen a human do that who isn't me (that exact kind of colored matrix). Please carry on hawkwataine. Please carry on.

Tangrowth wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 4:30 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 4:29 pm Owner is still a prime suspect. I have no reason off-hand to change that view.

I don't really know what to make of her, I think the most suspect thing she's done is shade various people without really... seeming like solving or anything? I need to see how she's trying to contribute to that, you know. At least, that's what I think offhand.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 4:47 am "spew" is one of Mafia's worst gifts to lingo

refers to the content in a mafioso's posts that reveals things about the alignments of other players

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 4:43 am

Sonny wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 4:42 am Btw, can a local tell me what Nutella's typical MO is with team interaction?

defense and awkward spew

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 4:34 am

Sonny wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 4:32 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 4:31 am

Sonny wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 4:29 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 4:25 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 4:24 am I am not sure what to make of you seanzie.

Well, I'm drunk af right now, so you should believe every word I say, and vote Owner.

Can we still fight at some point if you are town?

Yeah, I like to fight. Sometimes about game related things.

While you're here, do you have a read on Kito?

I think it was pretty clear from my earlier spat with him that I am suspicious of his buddying. GTH? Probably town. But I am garbage at reading Kito. Would drink a beer with, but feel out before committing to a second date, ya'know?