The Syndicate

Though i am playing badly and lurking i am still town, sorry for letting you guys down. gonna sleep now.

I dont think gavial is scum, he is probably town with the way he went after Mac. There is a chance vulgard/enrique can be scum, i played extremely poorly this game but he still had me as town which weirded me out though.

I can use the tracker shine from time to time. Another shot can be used the next day. I already tracked jack on N2, he targeted Enrique. I really wanted to hide and track tonight, all that got wasted.

I was travelling, one of my friends got injured so took him to the hospital, just got back. Why am i being voted off?

Ill catch up with the other game and then ill catch up with this one.

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 8:53 am heads up im a nervous wreck. I have an interview in about 2hrs and im prepping. I will try to be here and scum hunt and everything but I can't focus. that is mainly why I was inactive yesterday. hopefully it goes well and I can focus on the game after the interview

All the best.

Made wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 2:24 pm
lost monkey wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 2:23 pm I wanna vote falcon because I thought he was scum on D2 but people in the thread repeatedly said he was town so i stopped going in that direction but now 2 my town reads are voting tim so i am confused on who to vote.
Read on marmot? Read on Tim?

Tim can be scum and town, i am on the fence about it. He has providing info which was useful for town but he been having a bad game or good game with the lynches based on how we see it. I felt that Mac was trying to get people to lynch marmot and would done that today if he was alive. Marmot is town for now for me.

I wanna vote falcon because I thought he was scum on D2 but people in the thread repeatedly said he was town so i stopped going in that direction but now 2 my town reads are voting tim so i am confused on who to vote.

Vulgard wrote: ↑Fri May 21, 2021 9:31 am "Sean does this gambit thing as town, i think that what he's trying here. Though in his mind he thinks he right but he is not usually."

This read from Monkey made me think Monkey could be mafia. Their D1 ISO isn't spectacular in general, but this particular read looks like TMI.

Day 1 townreads were: alison, mac, tsp, sean, scottie and kza.

And yet, day 2, defends Daisy because she had been townie. I suppose this means Monkey invisibly flipped their read on Daisy? Daisy wasn't in their d1 town circle. No previous posts about monkey's read on Daisy, either.

Day 2 townreads: kza, scottie, syn, DC and mac.

Daisy isn't on the list, again. ...Huh? After Monkey defended Daisy?

Day 3 townreads: scottie, Daisy, KZA, Mac and BK.

But now Daisy's here.

Then Jack is added to the town circle.

"I know i am an easy lynch but you trying too hard. If i didn't have you as a town read you would have been a scum read for me."

@ Mac.

This is 100% written by a villager. In a world where lost monkey is mafia, this is W/W. And in a world where that's W/W... it's way too awkward to be a W/W interaction. Way too awkward. This comes from a place of "this person is giving me bad vibes but I townread them before and I'm sticking with it." Not phrased very well, but that's the sentiment I see and that's why it's towny.

TL;DR Monkey's town. It's an awkward villager with inconsistent reads on occasion. A quiet presence. Not wolfhunting, but not because they are a wolf. It's someone who doesn't feel the pressure to contribute a lot to the game, and instead plays at their own pace. Mostly by posting townreads.

The daisy read on D1 should be in a post where i quoted her. On d2, DC is daisy cloud.

Damn totally forgot about this game, I will go catch up now.

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 6:57 pm my vote doesn't matter

Every vote matters.

*poll

Gavial wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 6:55 pm Vote in Poll though for it to count monkey.

Thanks, I didnt know about the pole voting thing.

[VOTE: VOTE mog] aubergine

Hopefully this is right because I dont who else to vote.

KZA wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 10:00 pm Okay so like would anyone be shocked if Scotty is wolf?

Just a personal tinfoil

yes, he been the towniest player here for me.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 2:33 pm lost monkey coming in the thread right now and pressing the "mischop me please" button is fun times.

I know i am an easy lynch but you trying too hard. If i didn't have you as a town read you would have been a scum read for me.

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 5:47 pm I mean I don’t want to axe a town by any means, but Tim and others do have a point. Hell, Bo has a point. Though he dug his own grave here, instead of waiting for KZA and others to come in. His timing of claiming was...less than ideal.

And jack blasting Tim for making this point could be construed as town- hell, he’s making cases- but I think it’s slick town appealing. I’m perhaps tunneling now, but still.

Basically agree with this.

Also your question seems strange seems strange since you were agreeing with tim not with jack.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 2:30 pm
lost monkey wrote: ↑Wed May 19, 2021 2:28 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 5:06 pm We’re not yeeting Bo today under the train of logic “the optimal move is to yeet someone we think is a townie.”

That’s nonsense and wolves love bad excuses like that to yeet a townie and get no heat for it.

I particularly hate Tim throwing down pre-shade on anyone who doesn’t want to yeet someone that he thinks is a townie.

Insanity or wolfing.
So you are okay with scum getting the artifact, why?
So you are okay with lynching town, why?

I am not okay with it but scum can play this out however they want.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 5:34 pm
Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 5:15 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 5:06 pm We’re not yeeting Bo today under the train of logic “the optimal move is to yeet someone we think is a townie.”

That’s nonsense and wolves love bad excuses like that to yeet a townie and get no heat for it.

I particularly hate Tim throwing down pre-shade on anyone who doesn’t want to yeet someone that he thinks is a townie.

Insanity or wolfing.
Have you caught up on the setup? Are you genuinely unconcerned by "holding additional artifacts will unlock additional secret powers for the wolves, above and beyond the basic powers of the artifact itself"?

Presumably the wolves know what those secret additional powers are, and yeah if I get a sense that someone has an unhealthy investment in fighting for those powers that indicates they know what they are fighting for I'm intending to kill them.
I’m not concerned to the point where we start voting off townreads over it.

If I was a wolf, I would loooove the idea of the town giving my team a free pass during the day and our choice of nightkill in exchange for fuck all. Wolves win by getting X misyeets. You’re proposing we give the wolves one on a silver platter because of mechanics that we don’t even know what they are.

That’s a bad strategy bordering on openwolfing. Every time I see several players make an argument to yeet someone even if they are town, at least half those players end up being wolves.

I am town leaning on jack for this post. I like the intent.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 5:06 pm We’re not yeeting Bo today under the train of logic “the optimal move is to yeet someone we think is a townie.”

That’s nonsense and wolves love bad excuses like that to yeet a townie and get no heat for it.

I particularly hate Tim throwing down pre-shade on anyone who doesn’t want to yeet someone that he thinks is a townie.

Insanity or wolfing.

So you are okay with scum getting the artifact, why?

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 4:40 pm
lost monkey wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 4:38 pm
DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 4:33 pm @lost monkey tell us some stuff u observed. your reads. etc etc
I have scottie, you, kza, mac and now Bo as town.
wait you have me as town? I figured u would buy into what jack is trying to feed the players this day phase.

No I don't buy that you are scum. If town read someone D1 and i somewhat stick with it till now I am continuing with it. Its a waste of time to self doubt on my already limited leads. Marmot i have not seen as scum before but i dont mind lynching him over you if it comes to that.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 17, 2021 9:52 pm [VOTE: lost monkey] aubergine

I know i am coasting but i can't help it.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 17, 2021 9:27 pm BK full of horseshit and probably wolfing with Tim.

What does he get by doing this? I dont know about tim but Bo seriously?

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 4:34 pm
lost monkey wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 4:32 pm
DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 4:30 pm
lost monkey wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 4:24 pm
DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Mon May 17, 2021 7:36 pm also if you had this. yiu knowingly and anti-towningly self voted for 0 reasons. and did 0 to help town find and lynch scum
Would he have been the lynch candidate today if not then i dont see how he is lying here.
you think bo is telling the truth because he self voted yesterday and today? or just today
I haven't caught up fully but he voted himself again today?
yes he did. then I made a bet he was going to keep his vote there again and welp he quickly moved it onto me

I dont know how he plays but i dont think he will be openly wolfy like this when he didnt need to do this.

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 4:33 pm @lost monkey tell us some stuff u observed. your reads. etc etc

I have scottie, you, kza, mac and now Bo as town.

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 4:30 pm
lost monkey wrote: ↑Tue May 18, 2021 4:24 pm
DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Mon May 17, 2021 7:36 pm also if you had this. yiu knowingly and anti-towningly self voted for 0 reasons. and did 0 to help town find and lynch scum
Would he have been the lynch candidate today if not then i dont see how he is lying here.
you think bo is telling the truth because he self voted yesterday and today? or just today

I haven't caught up fully but he voted himself again today?

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Mon May 17, 2021 7:36 pm also if you had this. yiu knowingly and anti-towningly self voted for 0 reasons. and did 0 to help town find and lynch scum

Would he have been the lynch candidate today if not then i dont see how he is lying here.

kza, scottie, syn, DC and mac are my town leans.

KZA wrote: ↑Sat May 15, 2021 3:34 pm Falcon reaching is typically NAI, it's just part of how he hunts

Will keep that in mind.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 7:40 pm
Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 7:06 pm Also, RIP, sorry Seanzie.
They said it was a ladder
But what on earth could be sadder
Than an obvious lie
Then this predictable cry?
Took me a full one post to catch him
It’s time for us to [VOTE: Tim] aubergine

Why?

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 7:29 pm
KZA wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 7:25 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 7:24 pm
KZA wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 7:22 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 7:21 pm
KZA wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 7:20 pm Falcon outing himself as Mafia for us, very kind
You're welcome
You know Daisy's vote ended on Seanzie still, right? How is that distancing?
No, I did not know that. Is there egg on my face?

What's her rationale behind her EOD posts then?
I'm gonna guess she thought Seanzie claimed but then saw he didn't and put her vote back

you know like, exactly what she said?
Actually I think he did claim...in a vague way and way too late. When he flipped it was understandable why he did not full claim in a good timely fashion. I didn't like that Daisy slipped her vote off silently, but her reasoning seemed okay when she explained it so...meh.

Would her vote being there or not being there made a difference to the lynch? I feel daisy had been very townie before this and I don't think as scum she needed to this at all. I think falcon is reaching here on this.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 7:13 pm DC's last minute pop-in before EOD does not sit well with me. Totally reeks of scum trying to distance themselves from a TP lynch.

Why would DC if scum make such a bad distancing move?

Honestly speaking I am having a hard time adjusting to the playstyles and giving concrete reads on people. I feel I should have started off with smaller games first. Its gonna take me sometime to give better reads. The people I am somewhat lean town are alison, mac, tsp, sean, scottie and kza.

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 10:47 am Heads up in not going to be around too much today nor EOD bc I’m being ferried around town for my birthday

Happy Birthday

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 10:00 pm So Monkey's ISO is less than inspired...14 posts or no, most of the 14 is lack lustre.

One post in particular, towards Mac...Monkey says something like "I like this, seems to come from a towny mindset". I can't stand passive language like that, comes across as hedgey to me

That's how I play regardless of alignment, so you will see a lot more of that from me.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 12:17 pm
lost monkey wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 11:57 am
Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 3:56 pm
DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 7:55 am
Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 11:49 pm it wasn't a random list, i picked the names on it specifically because they're players who i feel like i can potentially gauge reactions from, based on recent past experience, except for Bo and also, i guess, Nanook.
wait so you made a reads list and u had me on it and I haven't even posted yet and it wasn't a random list, it wasn't a jk thing? it wasn't day 1 lol mememing?

I ignored it when I read it, might have done a bit of smh, but ignored it.

only thing I can think of is you is scum now. complete and utterly scum. only reason you don't know jack squat is you probably mafia.
to clarify further I had you on the list cus I've seen you react strongly to being mentioned in previous games,

the idea being that you'd see your name on the list and go "what the heck" and then react in some strong way that would allow a tone read to be based off of. that fell apart because you hadn't actually posted anything yet, making the premise obvious
What about the other ones?
I feel like LoMo is playing softball.

yeah a little bit, since i know no ones meta properly here except you.

KZA wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 9:26 pm Sorry I'll try not to vote any more LHF like Marmot who's currently firmly in his scum meta and instead vote for Jack who hasn't entered yet

thanks @Scotty

What is marmot's scum meta? I have only seen him as town so curious.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 3:56 pm
DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 7:55 am
Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 11:49 pm it wasn't a random list, i picked the names on it specifically because they're players who i feel like i can potentially gauge reactions from, based on recent past experience, except for Bo and also, i guess, Nanook.
wait so you made a reads list and u had me on it and I haven't even posted yet and it wasn't a random list, it wasn't a jk thing? it wasn't day 1 lol mememing?

I ignored it when I read it, might have done a bit of smh, but ignored it.

only thing I can think of is you is scum now. complete and utterly scum. only reason you don't know jack squat is you probably mafia.
to clarify further I had you on the list cus I've seen you react strongly to being mentioned in previous games,

the idea being that you'd see your name on the list and go "what the heck" and then react in some strong way that would allow a tone read to be based off of. that fell apart because you hadn't actually posted anything yet, making the premise obvious

What about the other ones?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 8:25 am
Quin wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 3:53 am
lost monkey wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 3:51 am
Scotty wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 8:35 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 8:24 pm I don't know what any Shrines do for anyone. Don't we have to visit them to find out? And should we share what they do publicly?
Yikes. Am I the only town that knows shit? Have I already revealed too much?

Or is Long Con bad with Tim?
Do you really think scum would reveal that to the thread if they no info on shrines and are not sure what town has got?
yeah
quin is obvious town

Cant get used to how you are playing here. I don't know if you are usually like this here or its just this game.

DaisyCloud wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 8:12 am if senzie wants to come out here all lol I'm mafia and then I'll be his huckleberry and vote him out. if he flips town then that's on him for throwing the game and loling about it all. if he is mafia then good, his mind games didn't work on me. this is freaking day 1 spice im not gonna swallow lightly. gonna play stupid games get lynched prizes.

Sean does this gambit thing as town, i think that what he's trying here. Though in his mind he thinks he right but he is not usually.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 3:42 am
lost monkey wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 1:54 am Excited to play my first game over here, will go catch up now.
hello obvwolf we won't flip til we need a flip on day 3 how are you?

Syn wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 1:58 am
lost monkey wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 1:54 am Excited to play my first game over here, will go catch up now.
wolfy

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 1:37 am
Alison wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 12:06 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 9:13 pm sorry kyle you're outed bud
I am thinking nanook might be scum.
dang you caught me, uwu

You are playing very differently from what i have usually seen from you.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 1:02 am
Kylemii wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 1:01 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 12:56 am
Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 11:49 pm it wasn't a random list, i picked the names on it specifically because they're players who i feel like i can potentially gauge reactions from, based on recent past experience, except for Bo and also, i guess, Nanook.
so it's not that really at all then
not really at all what?
it isn't a random list
you picked the names because you can gauge reactions from them
except 2/5 of them
which is nearly half
ergo your point is invalid and you're mafia

I like this post, its seems to come from a town mentality, lean town here.

Quin wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 3:53 am
lost monkey wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 3:51 am
Scotty wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 8:35 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 8:24 pm I don't know what any Shrines do for anyone. Don't we have to visit them to find out? And should we share what they do publicly?
Yikes. Am I the only town that knows shit? Have I already revealed too much?

Or is Long Con bad with Tim?
Do you really think scum would reveal that to the thread if they no info on shrines and are not sure what town has got?
yeah

lol

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 8:35 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 8:24 pm I don't know what any Shrines do for anyone. Don't we have to visit them to find out? And should we share what they do publicly?
Yikes. Am I the only town that knows shit? Have I already revealed too much?

Or is Long Con bad with Tim?

Do you really think scum would reveal that to the thread if they no info on shrines and are not sure what town has got?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 3:42 am
lost monkey wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 1:54 am Excited to play my first game over here, will go catch up now.
hello obvwolf we won't flip til we need a flip on day 3 how are you?

Good I guess, you?

Alison wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 8:13 pm I really don't believe that Scotty genuinely thinks that me saying I want to form a town circle with Mac and Tim is going to lead to us throwing the endgame because we held onto that one post from page 1 throughout the entire game.

I don't think you have played with him from what I can see, some people from what I have seen have a general mistrust when someone gives easy town reads. There is no problem with him finding it uncomfortable. You are thinking in a very unidirectional way. Though I am getting town vibes from your post but this doesn't help town.

Alison wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 7:34 pm
Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 7:31 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 7:28 pm I have a confirmable PR that is unambiguously town-sided.
This seems unlikely from Sloonei's opening material posts, but no one is likely to be in a hurry to kill you, so sure...demonstrate.
One of us is misunderstanding the setup I think.

My reading is that each character accesses different powers from different shrines. So as an example. Altmer Noble may be able to access shrines A, B, C, D and E. Argonian Mage may be able to access shrines C, D, E, F and G. Both can access shrine C but they get different powers from accessing shrine C based on the flavor of C as well as their own character's flavor.

One of the powers I can access from a shrine is confirmable and I think pretty pro-town.

The thought process here makes me lean town.

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