The Syndicate

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we actually defended mana a decent amount today tbh.

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i was more so asking the part where she never gave a concrete townread and shaded everyone in that reads list. that's what i was wondering was normal for dana

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Bottom Text wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 6:41 pm
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Bottom Text wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 6:37 pm
trans rights wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 6:37 pm i'm starting to think we were actually just bad btw and bottom text might just be v
what changed ur mind

was it openwolf post #1, openwolf post #2, openwolf post #3...
if you talked less this tentative v read might persist...

it was somewhat coming from the mindset that mana might just be a wolf after all. it also wasn't like i haven't seen villagery things from you in moments; i even made a post earlier today giving you a townread for how you came around to my slot in a way that it felt anti-wincon for you to do as a wolf. there were other times where i did think you were villagery too, like on d1! i mean it's tentative. we'll see.
you mean the day you tied us for the yeet?

i didn't try and kill you. i even tried to vote two and through for your claim of "self-resolving", even though that turned out to be bs. that was mist mostly that was tunneling on you d1 and somewhat d2 too.

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Bottom Text wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 6:40 pm
Mana wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 6:39 pm BT, would you ever vote Poop?
probably not

there's like 1% of me that agrees with vanitys "if theres 3 wolves, Poop is always a wolf" take and think we can just vote them out to be safe

but 99% of me is like "but theyre town"

while i do think that i also think poop explosions is lock v anyways with ~0 tinfoil and i'm not entertaining something i don't believe

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Bottom Text wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 6:37 pm
trans rights wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 6:37 pm i'm starting to think we were actually just bad btw and bottom text might just be v
what changed ur mind

was it openwolf post #1, openwolf post #2, openwolf post #3...

if you talked less this tentative v read might persist...

it was somewhat coming from the mindset that mana might just be a wolf after all. it also wasn't like i haven't seen villagery things from you in moments; i even made a post earlier today giving you a townread for how you came around to my slot in a way that it felt anti-wincon for you to do as a wolf. there were other times where i did think you were villagery too, like on d1! i mean it's tentative. we'll see.

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TonyStarkPlaysItCool wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 6:37 pm
trans rights wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 3:51 pm does anyone like. actually feel like there's been 3 wolves today? does it feel like a game state where 3 wolves are running around? i've seen times where jpic thought there could've been 3 wolves but in general the thread feels too villagery for us to be dealing with 3 wolves
This is untrue.

I have said that T&T was likely a wolf so we are probably dealing with two wolves alive rn. I have just given possible worlds if T&T was town because we don't actually know, even if I do lean on the side of them being scum atm

you... definitely made a post where you started thinking two and through was actually villager and that the team was... i don't remember exactly what it was but it included mana/me/x or something

i can quote it because i 100% know you made it.

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i'm starting to think we were actually just bad btw and bottom text might just be v

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Julinook wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 6:34 pm
trans rights wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 6:33 pm yeah the reads aren't terrible but... meh. there isn't a concrete townread in there which doesn't feel great; almost everyone there is shaded in some way.

i'm confused as to how they don't have a read on my slot; like how i'm not falling into a similar category as to how alison/julinook is falling into.

what about my slot is confusing you mana?
Bolded is actually the part of it I thought was best given Dana being Dana

for others familiar with dana, is this standard for her?

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Akemi Hazelnut wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 6:31 pm
Mana wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 6:28 pm ok im (dana) still not completely caught up but I got things to do so im gonna post my half-finished reads list hopefully this is towny enough

Akemi - strong player, very town seeming, analytical. Made seems to distrust them a lil at some points and I kind of get that in the way that like.. they’re so trustworthy they could just be bad. But im gonna say probably town at least for now
Bottom Text - did I see correctly that they rescinded their original claim of being redirector? did they offer a new claim after that? Kinda very sus
Julinook - another "so good they’re potentially bad" suspect, but without the paranoid second guessing I would put them pretty firmly in town
Poop - made doesn’t seem to like them much but I think they have been alright for the most part. They are back and forth on us a lot which is a lil sus but I can let it pass for the time being
TSPIC - hard to follow sometimes and a little confusing which makes me want to think they are sus but that may just be due to having two very distinct heads so I can't fault them entirely for that since we are similar
Toopy & Binoo - I think I maybe just still haven’t gotten the hang of gav yet in general.. but Binoo seems pretty towny to me. But the whole slot in general I am still a lil wary of
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If we end up yeeting another town today (including us) maybe try to shake things up and vote your top town read tomorrow
....this contains not a single read lol

like im all about hedging but the entire post is net zero

yeah there's nothing concrete there

not sure if it was designed that way tho

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yeah the reads aren't terrible but... meh. there isn't a concrete townread in there which doesn't feel great; almost everyone there is shaded in some way.

i'm confused as to how they don't have a read on my slot; like how i'm not falling into a similar category as to how alison/julinook is falling into.

what about my slot is confusing you mana?

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oh. they actually showed up. lemme take a look

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okay so i asked dana several times to give her reads and that still hasn't happened. not even particularly in depth reads or anything. i just wanted her to give her reads and show her process. she promised that she would, and we're at eod and it still hasn't happened.

this is what i meant when i felt like i was waiting for godot. i've been waiting for dana's reads the entire dayphase, and they haven't showed up. sorry but i think i'm just killing mana today

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Mana wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 6:22 pm [VOTE: Bottom Text] aubergine

why do you think bottom t ext is a wolf?

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Akemi Hazelnut wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 6:03 pm Zzzz who eod

cooking rn. when i’m done eating i’ll be here.

i feel like i am, in fact, waiting for godot.

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well i'm also assuming that you're probably a mafia jk if you are a wolf, and in that case tspic is unlikely to be a wolf roleblocker. in that case, it would seem tspic would have to be lying about their role, which... it still feels like they probably would've just claimed something else?

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i think julinook/tspic w/w is incredibly unlikely. i kinda think if they were wolves together, they wouldn't claim roles that are essentially in direct conflict with each other.

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i'm waiting for something specific at this point.

hopefully i won't be waiting for godot

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i did consider the derp clear thing but i'm generally not a derp clearer

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Poop Explosions wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 4:24 pm
Mana wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 4:22 pm
Poop Explosions wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 4:20 pm
Akemi Hazelnut wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 3:42 pm People most likely to be Mana teammates: the people who said they had a gut/tone/meta read on Mana being town D1 when they had a chance to safely defend that slot.
I think there's a significantly more obvious and relevant thing that happened on D2 that could imply partnership with Mana.
what's that?
The massive save attempt-lookin FK wagon

this would make more sense if mana was in a world of 3 though. otherwise a majority of the wagon is village motivated.

i've generally not been getting the sense that mana is in a world of 3 if one does exist. maybe i just have a blindspot though.

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also apparently alison has a meta where she loves to carry factional kills, and she's reaffirmed said meta. it's been corroborated by others as well.

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Mana wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 4:15 pm
trans rights wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 4:07 pm
Mana wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 4:05 pm
trans rights wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 4:01 pm are factional kills usually assigned on the syndicate?
I have no idea.. I've played games before where people had like odd/even night kills I think? but i feel like that's probably not the case here. but in a game with roleblocking and other stuff I would assume someone individually has to do the killing right?
yeah with a tracker and a watcher claim factional kills being assigned seem like a safe bet
so if its a randomly assigned role then why would Akemi have to have the kill? or is that a separate thought, im still not completely sure what you meant by that post

what i mean by "factional kills are assigned" is that the wolves would have to select one person to perform the action. so if you watched the walrus, you should've seen who the wolves selected to kill him IF the factional kill is assigned.

akemi makes sense to carry the kill because 1) they're unlikely to be roleblocked by anything that isn't a jk, which is the exact thing that could be likely to block them, and 2) they wouldn't have any reason to think a jk would exist anyways. they would've had to think ahead if they were actually going to take a jk into account. a village roleblocker would never block akemi.

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Mana wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 4:05 pm
trans rights wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 4:01 pm are factional kills usually assigned on the syndicate?
I have no idea.. I've played games before where people had like odd/even night kills I think? but i feel like that's probably not the case here. but in a game with roleblocking and other stuff I would assume someone individually has to do the killing right?

yeah with a tracker and a watcher claim factional kills being assigned seem like a safe bet

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are factional kills usually assigned on the syndicate?

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is... is the read that akemi would carry the kill n1that bad of a read? they would have 0 reason to think julinook's role would exist unless akemi/julinook is the team, or they somehow role copped julinook n0. in certain team comps, akemi absolutely would've carried the kill.

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does anyone like. actually feel like there's been 3 wolves today? does it feel like a game state where 3 wolves are running around? i've seen times where jpic thought there could've been 3 wolves but in general the thread feels too villagery for us to be dealing with 3 wolves

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i do think i've been slightly oblivious to literally any world of 3 today but the problem is is that poop explosions has to be a wolf if we are looking at a world of 3, and i really doubt that's the case.

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Mana wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 3:42 pm who are the mafia in the world where we're town?

there's probably just 2 wolves in julinook/bottom text/tspic if i had to guess?

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tspic is capped; they can't for like 3 hours.

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am i wrong on akemi? am i wrong on poop explosions? am i wrong on toopy and binoo? i don't fricking know. i've been trying to escape this mindset that these are 3 villagers for the entire dayphase to see if there's some possibility that i'm missing, but... everything lines up with them just being village.

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Mana wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 3:27 pm
trans rights wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 2:36 pm okay, so here's to expand on my previous point.

who is the one person that everyone this dayphase has been accentuating that they're not w/w with? that's right, it's mostly been mana. akemi, julinook, tspic, and bottom text i think have all been like "i'm not w/w with mana!"

one of these is a wolf. like, guaranteed. but why is everyone arguing that they're not w/w with mana? sure, mana is one of the primary defenestrates that could occur today, but there hasn't been nearly as much contention for why people aren't with w/w with anyone else. people aren't exactly arguing why they aren't w/w with bottom text, or tspic. it's all been circling around mana.

that's why i think mana might just be a wolf here. the wolf might just know mana is their partner, and is trying to set themselves up for the long haul.
why would the most likely scenario for us not being compatible wolves with anyone not just mean we aren't a wolf?

you've been in the poe for almost the entire game; that's not to say that poe slots can't be village, but with the way people are approaching your slot today and how everyone is saying they're not w/w with you, that doesn't seem natural to me. it feels like one of the people i mentioned is your partner and is planning out their win condition. it would make perfect sense for your partner to take this path if you were a wolf.

and if you are village, like. why are so many people emphasizing that they aren't w/w with you? it's just strange to me why that that's occurring, other than the fact that you might be getting defenestrated today, and you might be a wolf. maybe i just feel slightly out of the loop given i don't really think my interactions with you overall are that clearing, and i know i'm a villager. maybe this is a bad read, but it almost feel like your partner is spewing you as a wolf.

honestly, going off of a gth solve, i feel like bottom text/tspic could be it, but i don't feel very confident in that. it doesn't feel like their reads on each other are being reciprocated because this is the path they have to take if they're wolves. it just doesn't feel unnatural to me. if you're a wolf, then i'd need to figure whatever is happening out, but gth it might just be you/julinook or you/tspic.

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the quality of your reads don't matter to me. what matters more is the process behind them.

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i guess i'm also going to continue waiting for dana to post reads. i'm not even that convinced mana is a wolf yet.

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TwoAndThrough wrote: ↑Tue May 04, 2021 8:50 pm Brace for impact...associative read inbound...

Trans Rights at one point said that Mana's vote on me was "wolfy regardless of my alignment." Seemed odd at the time that I didn't just ask "so why don't you just vote them then?" but I wanted to wait and see what happened. What happened was nothing. No exploration of Mana, no explanation of the read when asked...radio silence, like maybe a distancing comment thrown out between wolves piled on the same wagon.

So now Mana has posted their share of "wolfy posts" and attracted attention from the feelie readers...and the lack of interest from Trans Rights is palpable.

The same Trans Rights that made a passing mention of "yeah the gamestate looks like Two and Through are just town" and in theory should be actively looking for a new place to vote has no interest in voting for someone they said was probably just a wolf...their only read that wasn't dependent on our flip...

Why is that?

noting this post btw. if two and through is a wolf, this could easily be an awkward w/w interaction trying to associate us with mana.

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esooa hasn't been that villagery imo. all she did this dayphase was come in and push on mana for being "wolfy af" afaik. i vaguely remember some other posts but they weren't particularly impressionable

anyways mist isn't going to be posting till eod so you're stuck with me.

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okay, so here's to expand on my previous point.

who is the one person that everyone this dayphase has been accentuating that they're not w/w with? that's right, it's mostly been mana. akemi, julinook, tspic, and bottom text i think have all been like "i'm not w/w with mana!"

one of these is a wolf. like, guaranteed. but why is everyone arguing that they're not w/w with mana? sure, mana is one of the primary defenestrates that could occur today, but there hasn't been nearly as much contention for why people aren't with w/w with anyone else. people aren't exactly arguing why they aren't w/w with bottom text, or tspic. it's all been circling around mana.

that's why i think mana might just be a wolf here. the wolf might just know mana is their partner, and is trying to set themselves up for the long haul.

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my gut is screaming at me that mana not seeming w/w with anyone means they're the most likely wolf

like the position their slot is in in the game state doesn't make it feel like that is natural occurrence

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TonyStarkPlaysItCool wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 1:25 pm If Mana is a wolf you should have us lock cleared as far as I am concerned.

you're misunderstanding. if mana is a wolf, i have potentially clearing interactions for everyone in the game, other than maybe toopy and binoo. but i think toopy and binoo is just a villager regardless. at that point, it's a matter of determining which of the interactions are the MOST plausibly w/w. do you really think your interactions with mana are the most clearing period? i read your argument for why you're clear if mana is a wolf and i'm underwhelmed with all due respect.

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Poop Explosions wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 1:17 pm
Akemi Hazelnut wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 1:15 pm But who tf is manas partner then, I thought tr could be but meh feels like a stretch
The question then becomes who tf is anyone's partner

We're almost certainly dealing with bussing somewhere.

yeah for certain, i'm trying to process what this means because if mana is a wolf, some sort of theater has occurred. otherwise it doesn't really make sense for mana to have a team fmpov

i don't think i'm misclearing toopy and binoo or you? and i think the strongest clear i'd have if mana is a wolf is julinook for how they approached d1. either that or bottom text.

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trans rights wrote: ↑Wed May 05, 2021 6:59 pm [VOTE: two and through] aubergine

yeah i still think this is a wolf

sorry if wrong

except i actually tried to.

i would never vote like this in the thread if i didn't intend to vote on the poll. when i tried to vote in the poll, it locked and my switch wasn't processed

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Julinook wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 12:24 pm
trans rights wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 12:23 pm i never tried to save two and through... i even tried to vote them at the very end but i was too late.
Who is this addressed to

this is addressed to the idea that i tried to save two and through

if you read my d1 this was clearly never my intention

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i never tried to save two and through... i even tried to vote them at the very end but i was too late.

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wim is nai for me for the record

and yeah i doubt that if mana is a wolf the last is akemi

~sylveon

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you're capped btw tspic

also literally almost everyone townreads toopy and binoo anyways and if you're a wolf in that position then bussing is literally anti-win con

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Bottom Text wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 11:32 am
trans rights wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 10:46 am i kinda think that bottom text suddenly saying they think i'm a probably just a villager at this point is villagery in the same way mac thinks i'm a villager for my read on them. it's the same sense that they're anti-agenda. if bottom text is a wolf, i'm essentially a necessary misdefenestrate

except it's potentially a better look for bottom text as opposed to mac's read on me because poop explosions is in no one's poe and at this point i'm in a lot of poe's

also mornin mist

-azumarill
bold of you to assume im not pocketing you so i can misyeet nutella/alison instead

if you're a wolf you should know that pocketing me is completely pointless because you're not escaping my poe

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TonyStarkPlaysItCool wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 11:26 am Obviously you know it doesn't make sense from your PoV, but are there interactions between you two that make it not compatible?

honestly, none in particular but if mist wasn't townreading mana i would've been pushing on them pretty hard and i've pointed out posts from them that i thought was wolfy a decent amount of times

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TonyStarkPlaysItCool wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 11:25 am
trans rights wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 11:23 am
TonyStarkPlaysItCool wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 11:20 am I think Mana fits considerably more worlds than anyone and is the better yet choice atm. I'm less confident on Julinook being a wolf, but it's who I have down in my current world rn
i don't actually think this is true?

akemi/poop explosions/toopy and binoo/bottom text all don't make sense to be with mana. maybe not you either

and obviously i'm not wolves with them either
It does from my PoV

I can see them not making sense with bottom text, but why not the other three you mentioned and yourself?

well from my perspective it's impossible for me to be with mana because i'm a villager, that's all i mean by that

if akemi/mana are wolves together then i think the fact that mana carried the kill instead of akemi is weird. like if that's the team the role interactions between them and julinook is weird. that also assumes that both of the investigatives are wolves, which (x) doubt

mana also spent a decent chunk of time pushing on akemi/poop explosions for a decent chunk of yesterday and today. they eventually laid off on akemi but i think if they are wolves with either of akemi or poop explosions, that distancing was just completely pointless.

and toopy and binoo has devoted a decent chunk of the day to bottlenecking the votes between poop explosions and mana, and poop explosions is never dying today anyways

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TonyStarkPlaysItCool wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 11:20 am I think Mana fits considerably more worlds than anyone and is the better yet choice atm. I'm less confident on Julinook being a wolf, but it's who I have down in my current world rn

i don't actually think this is true?

akemi/poop explosions/toopy and binoo/bottom text all don't make sense to be with mana. maybe not you either

and obviously i'm not wolves with them either

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Poop Explosions wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 11:01 am
trans rights wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 10:59 am ?

you mean you think if bottom text is a wolf, they're using a v read on me to push agenda onto akemi's slot? getting akemi defenestrated would be significantly more difficult though.

i don't entirely get the point. honestly i'd probably be townreading you regardless of alignment.
Who's this to

your most recent post unless that wasn't directed towards me

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?

you mean you think if bottom text is a wolf, they're using a v read on me to push agenda onto akemi's slot? getting akemi defenestrated would be significantly more difficult though.

i don't entirely get the point. honestly i'd probably be townreading you regardless of alignment.

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i kinda think that bottom text suddenly saying they think i'm a probably just a villager at this point is villagery in the same way mac thinks i'm a villager for my read on them. it's the same sense that they're anti-agenda. if bottom text is a wolf, i'm essentially a necessary misdefenestrate

except it's potentially a better look for bottom text as opposed to mac's read on me because poop explosions is in no one's poe and at this point i'm in a lot of poe's

also mornin mist

-azumarill

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