The Syndicate

good morning everyone

~mawile

sup im 300 posts behind and too tired to catch up

im not actually sure why im here other than the [2... in the tab irritating me

~mawile

i 100% intended to vote two and through and my vote didn’t go through for some reason

not elaborating on this further

i'm probably just being nitpicky about this time gap in general bleh

i'm probably out for the night. mist might show up, unsure if that'll happen

yeah that's the post i was referring to

i'm trying to conserve posts atm but that's still a large time gap between that post and the post i quoted

tspic how soon did you know about julinook's claim and that it had potential conflict with your role

TonyStarkPlaysItCool wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 1:24 pm people having strong reads on nanook on day 3 is odd

because this is the first post i assume that hints towards your bad feelings on julinook, you noted a post where they talked about their claim, and it feels like you should've voiced concern about that sooner than you did

didn't dana promise some "hekka towny posts" earlier? i'm still waiting for that.

okay so that's not something you actually believe. sorry!

TonyStarkPlaysItCool wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 8:44 pm that's an addendum on the previous post

the prior post doesn't really explain why there has to be 3 wolves alive whatsoever? i don't really see the point tsp is making.

TonyStarkPlaysItCool wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 8:38 pm oh there also have to be three wolves

why is this the case?

TonyStarkPlaysItCool wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 7:39 pm

trans rights wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 7:15 pm

TonyStarkPlaysItCool wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 4:50 pm

Toopy and Binoo wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 4:48 pm BT is obvious Town.
Also if T&T is Scum it spews BT as Town because BT said at EoD1 “I’m scum” as a joke and T&T responded with “me too!”

-Toopy

Good point

Voting mana

also this spew read is pretty ridiculous and the fact that tspic agreed with it in the first place is baffling to me

two and through responding to bottom text there is more indicative of two and through's alignment and not bottom text's alignment; that's not exactly how spew reads work. it usually depends on how wolves approach other slots, and not just some random agreement with another slot being a wolf. on top of that... hollow and tim can easily be cheeky enough to make that post if bottom text actually is their partner. in reality though, it means nothing and trying to act as though it means something is stretching.

FTR I agree

...then what was the good point in that post?

i just voted too late due habit, i don't really want to talk about it anymore. it's not really ai.

Poop Explosions wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 7:21 pm

trans rights wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 7:16 pm ftr any leftover tinfoil i have on poop explosions is gone. mac's just village here.

you know that was c4 you replied to right?

yeah i knew. i had a feeling c4 was just wrongtunneling me as a villager and even though i was extremely confident you were village already, your burst of posting cemented it because to me, that just looks like how you peruse the thread, throw out reads, and evaluate stuff as a villager.

i'm not even that against killing mana here ftr. my poe is bottom text/tspic/mana ftr. i think everyone else is village and if that only contains 1 wolf, my only other idea is julinook is wolfing.

ftr any leftover tinfoil i have on poop explosions is gone. mac's just village here.

TonyStarkPlaysItCool wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 4:50 pm

Toopy and Binoo wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 4:48 pm BT is obvious Town.
Also if T&T is Scum it spews BT as Town because BT said at EoD1 “I’m scum” as a joke and T&T responded with “me too!”

-Toopy

Good point

Voting mana

also this spew read is pretty ridiculous and the fact that tspic agreed with it in the first place is baffling to me

two and through responding to bottom text there is more indicative of two and through's alignment and not bottom text's alignment; that's not exactly how spew reads work. it usually depends on how wolves approach other slots, and not just some random agreement with another slot being a wolf. on top of that... hollow and tim can easily be cheeky enough to make that post if bottom text actually is their partner. in reality though, it means nothing and trying to act as though it means something is stretching.

yeah eod should be tomorrow

Poop Explosions wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 6:40 pm So , all mech bullshit down the drain, my PoE on reads is... literally just Mana tr.

Which is nice because they're both individually wolfy, and having my reads at five towny players and two wolfy players implies I'm doing something right, but also the team makes no sense. It would mean van hellbussed her whole team D1. I could definitely see both Tim and hk signing up for a D1 bus, especially once they had already started taking a lot of heat without van's help, but Mana? van was the whole damn reason the Mana scumreads snowballed as much as they did. That's not to mention the constant question of why the fuck would you bus and janitor your partner? Ultimately van did end on BT, but she still joined in at the height of the TAT dogpile.

So either van YOLO'd the bussing as hard as possible or I messed up somewhere.

The possible saving grace for this world is that van didn't really follow through on either. When it came time, she ended on both counterwagons, and in particular she pushed FK through hard. If I turn my head and squint, I could see her not planning on either of her Mana or TAT pushes going through.

i mean i don't even know what to say to you at this point. i've told you your tunnel is bad and you still have yet to reconsider on my alignment since you initially wolfread me. if i'm being "individually wolfy", then i should've been voted out long ago. but turns out, i haven't. and this isn't me trying to taunt you, it's me trying to give you a wake up call that this read is in fact bad because almost no one agreed with you, up until today where it's mostly for our claim. and while x1 commuter might be a wolfy role, i know i'm a villager and i can't change what i was randed. i didn't even want to claim because our role is essentially useless at this point because wolves should never be killing us. i'm also going to continue to maintain that nanook's read is incomprehensible because it seems like he's assuming that every bit of thought process in a single post is stationary, when clearly posts are allowed to show thought process and progression and solving.

anyways, i'll give you some of my "meta" if you'll take it seriously. i used to not bus at all way back, but i've become accustomed to bus my teammates whenever i see fit. in fact, in spec chat invitational i actually spent a decent chunk of time pushing on both of my teammates. in the recent pokemon black and white light game, i pretty much didn't bus at all, other than shading and voting on my partner, but i ALWAYS made it a point to try and not end on my partner at eod. that's what i like doing: distancing from my partners, and then trying to find any excuse i can to try and vote elsewhere. this isn't necessarily a consistent meta; i wouldn't say that any time i rand wolf i play in a consistent fashion, because i... don't really? it all revolves around how i'm looking at the thread and how i think i can reach my wincon, whether it's townreading my partners for being villagery or trying to pocket other villagers.

also i want to reiteration this again: i did try and vote two and through at eod. you can check, i made the vote in the thread and i ended up voting too late. i've explained why too: on mu, usually the vote locks at :01, and it locks here at :00. i'm unfamiliar with that because i've only played one other game here, but let it be known that i did absolutely try and vote two and through there over bottom text. as well, i wasn't even the one who voted bottom text, that was mist. when it came down to it, she told me she was fine with me voting two and through, so i attempted to switch because i still thought two and through was a wolf.

if there's any reason for any of toopy and binoo/akemi/poop explosions to be a wolf, i need to hear it because otherwise i'm stuck solving wise. i'm considering poop explosions but i'm struggling to come to a conclusion on them that dmakes me think they're a wolf. i also don't really think julinook is a wolf gth.

i should also prob stop posting because i have less than 100 posts till cap lol

Mana wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 8:42 am Okay so poop went from town reading T&T and BT (which is a huge yikes on it's own), to then voting T&T when it looked like they were doomed, then to switching to Mana when it looked like the Mana wagon could go over (which it would of till BT and TR switched to T&T). So basically if T&T is scum it's always Poop. It COULD be BT or TR if T&T scum, but it's less likely because the only reason to do this is knowing the D1 kill will be janitored and prefering the janitor flip over a naked scum flip which is possible. Of the two, BT is more likely because BT in a sense could be seen as voting to "save" so that vote was kinda forced, and for all we know janitor only worked on T&T and not BT.

Poop then preceeded to be perfectly wrong the next day in their reads. That's impressive, but not in light of them almost voting to save scum D1.

Poop is just scum y'all. you gotta vote'em guise, you just gottaaaaa

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Poop Explosions wrote: ↑Wed May 05, 2021 6:45 pm My intuition tells me TAT and BT are both town.

Poop Explosions wrote: ↑Wed May 05, 2021 6:29 pm [VOTE: TwoandThrough] aubergine

Gadoosh!

Poop Explosions wrote: ↑Thu May 06, 2021 10:18 pm I feel like the mafia is Mana + FK + one between H&V and Timsup2gettingserious. That's where I am at.

This is the part where everyone sheeps my reads

(sheeping image for reference of proper form)

ah right i remember mana talking about this

uh. it's a bad look for sure, but i still feel like c4/mac have still been solving the game consistently enough from a perspective that i expect from both of them where i feel pretty confident they're just not a wolf. that kind of whiplash progression also isn't wolfy ime? like if you're going to randomly vote two and through, it makes more sense to have a reason to do so. that's at least what i like doing as a wolf; i typically am not a fan of just randomly voting someone for no reason as a wolf.

also that might be 2 different heads you're quoting. mac said before that he thought two and through was a lock wolf.

Bottom Text wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 1:46 pm

trans rights wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 1:42 pm a village roleblocker and a village jailkeeper both existing in a 13er?

mist said that she thinks this is unlikely to be v/v and i'm inclined to agree

i wonder if a wolf would just claim something else though... idk.

i mean since the nanosecond nooks claimed ive thought it was fake but they said the role was more common here

shrugze

fuck mech, knowing my role is real annoys me because i feel like i can probably mechsolve shit but im not happy with any result i end up with

its a closed setup i guess there could be curveballs, idk how in character it is for dunya but i know it is for me

i'm still utterly baffled how katze has this mindset. it's almost to the point where it might be villagery for them just because i feel like they would know how they talked to me in the kidnapper chat in cov about how they like mech solving games.

lmao.

if it's true that alison loves carrying nightkills then i can believe she's just a villager here. she wouldn't have reason to believe she would be blocked on n1, unless they n0 role peeked julinook or something

trans rights wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 2:46 pm is made in the thread or is dana? has dana posted at all today?

@Mana can you answer this please?

is made in the thread or is dana? has dana posted at all today?

terrible read BUT

if two and through/bottom text/tspic are all wolves then i've played way too well this game, and i'm horrible at villaging

maybe this is a stupid reason to doubt myself but it's still causing me to think i'm being snowed

TonyStarkPlaysItCool wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 2:38 pm Why are we scum and why are we the team with BT?

I don’t think I’ve actually heard a reason. And if you say mech im going to vote for you in retaliation

you said that you have interactions with bottom text that clears you but i can't think of any reason in particular why you can't be with bottom text? like you never really tried to kill them when it mattered i think. if you did then correct me. you also voted on mana on d1 as opposed to two and through AND bottom text, who are both suspects.

interested in seeing what mac thinks of tspic's current posts. i might sideline what i think about that slot until then.

Mana wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 8:59 am Poe solve

It's not AkeHaze cuz nutella wouldn't x roxy d1, they were mech'd n1, and alison would always carry the nk here
it's not Toopy and boop because weird ass early game mech things
It's not Julinook cuz they protected AH
It's not both BT and TR because end of day one (slightly less likely to be TR if T&T is scum)

that leaves
Poop, the suspiciously Ineffective body guard
either BT or TR (in that order for reasons mentioned above)
and TPIC, who's claim will hopefully kick them out of POE

Does poop have town/scum equity with any of these players?

i also believe this though actually. just the way they went from akemi w to akemi v for this many reasons. i kinda feel like a wolf wouldn't need to shift their read based on this much reasoning if they are going to.

TonyStarkPlaysItCool wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 2:28 pm Lol im back to thinking T&T might be town, and the wolves are exactly TR/mana/T&B

we wanted to kill mana pretty early in the day. also the more i think about it the more i'd probably put mana over julinook in my 3 defenestrates.

Akemi Hazelnut wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 10:39 pm The good news is that I now believe Mana/BT can't be wolves together.

So either one of them is scum with TSPIC or I am being snowed by one of my townreads.

still think akemi is a villager. the way they came to this read is pretty natural.

Julinook wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 2:23 pm Also in a vacuum commuter is the scummiest role of the 5

we're still not a wolf but i can obviously see why.

Akemi Hazelnut wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 2:13 pm Hmm

Does mana/tr fit

we're not a wolf but from other perspectives it could be possible. i thought they were on and off wolfy but mist has been v reading them for almost all of d1 and d2.. at one point we wanted to kill mana today though.

okay this is the last post i'm going to make given setup gaming because i don't think this is a surefire route of solving the game

BUT

trans right - x1 commuter
tspic - x? roleblocker
julinook - x1 jk

almost a 0% chance all of these roles are villagers, so probably jot down that one of these is a wolf.

poop explosions - x2 bg
bottom text - x1 deflector

these are the remaining protectives/utility roles

akemi - x1 tracker
mana - x1 watcher

compared to how much supposed power village has wrt stopping killings in some fashion, i'm almost inclined to believe both of the investigatives are village. they're only x1 and only watcher is strong; tracker isn't nearly as powerful.

toopy & binoo - x1 medium

and this role is a bit of an outlier (utility), but they're almost never a wolf.

gth tspic/julinook/bottom text is 2/3 wolves. mana would be a wolf with that's only 1/3. i still don't think poop explosions is a wolf.

but enough of this, lemme try to think about the game more outside of mech for a moment

Mana wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 2:01 pm

Bottom Text wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 1:54 pm

Mana wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 1:51 pm Can we please stop vaguely pointing at Mana? The best person to chop today is Poop, period, I have laid out the arguments, and they're good. Either actually push me or fall in line nerds, i can't work with this wishy washy "we should probably end on mana, i think hmmmm...." bull

i mean

both heads of our hydra think you're a wolf! thats one of esooas only reads!

im unvoting because of maj reasons, in case im wrong

if you want to shade me then do it when it makes sense please :P

it just doesn't feel like there's anything coherent around me beside vague feelings relating back to d1. My reads are immaculate, the reads on me aren't being given in thread and it's frustrating. Both times Poop voted me were bs. First time was because his teammate T&T was about to get chopped, and the second was because they "Don't want to read lol". I'm just more town than poop in every way. Feel free to check the receipts there too!!

And when Dana show up to thread it's GG Mana's town anyways, so let's just skip to the part where i'm not on the chopping block.

what

~mawile

Toopy and Binoo wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 1:54 pm

TonyStarkPlaysItCool wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 1:52 pm actually no, majority is 5. no one is in hammer range.

2 Town votes a Town
THAT’S FUCKIN 2 VOTES.
IN A 3 MAFIA WORLD SCUM CAN ALL VOTE THE TOWN AND WIN THE GAME!

-Toopy

theres living protectives though so they can't safely do that

~mawile

i dont think the roleblocker and jailkeeper coexist as town

i think roleblocker is slightly more likely to be a wolf role but im not convinced either way

also fairly confident T&T was a wolf and as such we aren't in mylo, and i don't want to play it like we are

~mawile

Toopy and Binoo wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 1:47 pm Ok so guys.
If there is 3 Mafia alive, Mana or Poop HAVE to be Mafia or Mafia would have already hammered.

BT and Poop are voting Mana.
BT is Lock Town leaving 2 players Poop/Mana.

@Julinook
@Akemi Hazelnut
@trans rights
@TonyStarkPlaysItCool
@Bottom Text

ONlY VOTE BETWEEN MANA AND POOP TODAY PLEASE!

if there is a world of 3 i'm pretty certain that poop explosions is a wolf. at the same time though i don't think that's the case.

also let's ignore the fact that i completely forgot that if there were 3 wolves alive the vote was hammerable if mana/bottom text/poop explosions are all v

at the same time though i don't blame myself because that's almost impossible fmpov

TonyStarkPlaysItCool wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 1:45 pm when did mana claim

they claimed x1 watcher, to have watched akemi, and that their action failed pretty early yesterday

what do you think i've been doing? i'm not just trying to solve mechanics, i'll also trying to reason within other ideas. i literally just said i thought your gameplay today was pretty villagery.

like julinook softed that they were the reason that mana was blocked on d2, and i heavily doubt wolves weren't cognizant of that

i... sorta think tspic would just claim something else? how bad of a read is this?

a village roleblocker and a village jailkeeper both existing in a 13er?

mist said that she thinks this is unlikely to be v/v and i'm inclined to agree

i wonder if a wolf would just claim something else though... idk.

Bottom Text wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 1:34 pm good morning i sure am glad esooa didnt do the ONE thing i asked her to do overnight

vanity ask mist how much she remembers of our autumn D6 game

she does not remember this game at all

i also kinda think this is the type of role that you probably don't soft as a wolf? i mean it's so freaking powerful that's going to naturally raise eyebrows.

TonyStarkPlaysItCool wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 1:36 pm why does it have to say super jk isn't that just normal jk

afaik normal jk's don't cause the actions to fail on the person that was jk'd. they should only block the actions the jk'd person does, not actions performed on them, if that makes sense

but that might just be a syndicate thing because nanook said it was

if the claims are true:

julinook super jk'd akemi
akemi tracked mana. akemi was jk'd, so the action failed.
mana watched akemi. mana started the person that was super jk'd, which also causes actions on that person to fail. thus mana's action also fails

TonyStarkPlaysItCool wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 1:31 pm hang on mana was an RT and targteted themself, right

mana was an x1 watcher.

also i dont know what an "rt" is

theoretically there's a world where julinook/mana are w/w and julinook super jk'd mana instead of akemi. i think it would result in the same interaction.

TonyStarkPlaysItCool wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 1:24 pm can you explain like the nook spot

it's mostly his role interactions. his role accounts for why mana/akemi were blocked, and if they are a wolf i don't really think blocking akemi and preventing kp on her is pro-wolves. it only is if wolves expected akemi to be a hotspot for actions, which... meh. the role is definitely really strong so maybe this logic isn't great.

also i'm pretty sure his push on tim isn't w/w. iirc nanook isn't really a busser, and his push on two and through didn't read to me as a bus either

roleblocker
commuter
"deflector"
bodyguard
super jailkeeper

yeah virtually no shot all of these are village roles