The Syndicate

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it really doesn't feel like we're being powerwolfed here. i'm pretty sure we're dealing with 2 wolves.

admittedly i can think of other worlds of 3 than the one i noted but they all revolve around poop explosions or julinook, and both of them are prob just v right?

i think i'm also left over with akemi/tspic/bottom text/mana in my poe, and akemi/mana is never w/w. i also think akemi probably isn't a wolf period

like if any of poop explosions/toopy & binoo/julinook is a wolf i can't see it at this point

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ehhh tspic's posts are villagery today though, including how their read on two and through and toopy and binoo being different alignments. i don't know what to make of this.

also the fact that bottom text did not receive feedback on if their action was blocked is noted, but i don't really know how those types of mechanics work on the syndicate. in my experience, you're only know if you're blocked if you have an action that gives you feedback.

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TonyStarkPlaysItCool wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 12:38 pm
trans rights wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 9:58 am tspic, have you used your action(s) this game? for what possible reason could you have to hide it? does your role conflict with anyone else’s?
our power and actions are spewed in the thread tbh

okay no need to be cryptic here. either claim or don't.

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TonyStarkPlaysItCool wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 10:00 am
trans rights wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 9:58 am tspic, have you used your action(s) this game? for what possible reason could you have to hide it? does your role conflict with anyone else’s?
For kicks

c'mon dude you literally didn't answer all of my questions, on top of the fact that the one question you did answer is a non-answer.

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also vanity is not here rn so you get the annoying illiterate head

get excited

~mawile

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Toopy and Binoo wrote: ↑Mon May 10, 2021 12:44 am I’m not 100% sure on Trans, they claim 1-Shot Commuter and well I don’t understand the purpose of this role for the setup. I mean I think mechanically wise this looks bad due to the fact I don’t see any outstanding role you would need to commute from. Like why Commute to a BG? Why Commute to a JK? Like I’m a Medium FFS, I only visit dead people.
I just don’t see the purpose in their role, if however they are indeed town. In that case really only you or Julinook can be scum due to balance purposes regarding the setup.

you commute the scum roles not the town ones

this seems fairly obvious

~mawile

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also mac a majority of my slot’s posts have been made by me, vanity. usually mist is signing as something as well.

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for the record i tried voting two and through on d1 but i’m used to :01 deadlines from mu as opposed to :00 deadlines

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tspic, have you used your action(s) this game? for what possible reason could you have to hide it? does your role conflict with anyone else’s?

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well anyways

i was clearly working chronologically from an assumption of "3 wolves alive? -> work out possible teams of 3 -> can't find any teams of 3 -> we probably aren't in a world of 3"

and nanook seems like he's accusing me of working backwards from my conclusion, which is literally false because my logic in the post is CLEARLY working from point a first

anyways this dayphase has been beyond tilting to me and makes me wish people could read me

im out for tonight.

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well i guess i won't respond then even though that clearly isn't what happened if you read my post.

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i guess w!julinook using that action on w!akemi isn't impossible. i don't think bottom text/mana/tspic are unrealistic vig shots because that's the 3rd partner pool though as far as i understand, other than poop explosions i guess.

bottom text was the counterwagon

mana had heavy suspicion for a decent amount of the day, and also accounts for the lol scenario of julinook/akemi/mana claiming all of these actions as wolves together which seems pretty ridiculous

and the walrus voiced suspicion on tspic.

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Julinook wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 11:35 pm
trans rights wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 11:33 pm ?????????????????????????

wtf this is basic logic. i'm using the assumption of "two and through v" to figure out if it even makes sense for there to be 3 wolves alive. how on earth does this not follow
Cause you're at the same time implicitly assuming 3 mafia to clear me/AH from being partnered

Also if you think TAT was town and this is 11/2 with the town firepower claimed so far....well, that seems unlikely to be the case, let's say.

that's a massive reach my friend. if two and through is a villager and you and akemi are both wolves, of course you have a third partner.

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?????????????????????????

wtf this is basic logic. i'm using the assumption of "two and through v" to figure out if it even makes sense for there to be 3 wolves alive. how on earth does this not follow

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Julinook wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 11:28 pm
trans rights wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 11:22 pm
Julinook wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 11:18 pm
trans rights wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 11:07 pm well anyways julinook/akemi doesn't make sense because if you're going to be using that ability on a wolf it's probably going to be one that's more likely to get vigged

julinooks/mana is theoretically plausible but it assumes mana is lying about their night action, so that's probably a no as well

akemi/bottom text are almost certainly not w/w

meh. i don't think we're dealing with a world of 3 because i can't build one that makes any sense, other than maybe poop explosions/akemi/tspic
Um

You can't build a world of three but you also think me and AH aren't mafia together because I'd use my jk on a third partner?

@Bottom Text can you make a butterfly man "is this tmi?" Meme for me plz I'm too tired
and why are those 2 things mutually exclusive?
Cause the only possible dead mafia was tat d1 and there's no way there's a four player mafia team in a thirteen player game?

How are they possibly not mutually exclusive, lol

what this is obviously assuming two and through was a villager.

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i guess julinook using that action on akemi could be wolf motivated to possibly prevent a bunch of actions but that seems like pretty obvious hindsight bias to me. the slot's probably just v.

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Julinook wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 11:18 pm
trans rights wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 11:07 pm well anyways julinook/akemi doesn't make sense because if you're going to be using that ability on a wolf it's probably going to be one that's more likely to get vigged

julinooks/mana is theoretically plausible but it assumes mana is lying about their night action, so that's probably a no as well

akemi/bottom text are almost certainly not w/w

meh. i don't think we're dealing with a world of 3 because i can't build one that makes any sense, other than maybe poop explosions/akemi/tspic
Um

You can't build a world of three but you also think me and AH aren't mafia together because I'd use my jk on a third partner?

@Bottom Text can you make a butterfly man "is this tmi?" Meme for me plz I'm too tired

and why are those 2 things mutually exclusive?

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Bottom Text wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 11:07 pm
trans rights wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 11:04 pm
Bottom Text wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 10:14 pm Players ISOs
1. Akemi Hazelnut (Alison & nutella) probably town
5. Julinook (juliets & NANOOK) looks good and I'm fine with our interactions but I don't really have a reason to strongly town read them
6. Mana (Made & Dana) everything I've read is just telling me vote them out, nobody likes the slot and I've seen no reason to change my mind but they're just kinda still here
7. Poop Explosions (c4e5g3d5 & MacDougall) I've barely read so the only post I remember from this slot is the one saying "maybe alison is making nutella a better wolf" which I feel like is a towny thought. I think mac's energy earlier where he wanted to tell other people to shut up because he's played the most all stars is good. I don't know why they're shielding us? And Mac seemingly having lower presence than I'd expect is kinda meh, but I think they're town and they should be an easy read if i iso them
10. TonyStarkPlaysItCool (TonyStarkPrime & Justplayingitcool) literally remember nothing from them at all, fine with voting
11. Toopy and Binoo (Gavial & Spak) I think they're town but the medium reason is shitty.
12. trans rights (vanity & Mistyx) stop trying to kill townies and maybe I'll consider why I town read you day 1 (I kinda forgot)
Spoiler: show
I did have the thought earlier that they have no reason to tunnel us like this if wolf but I'm not sure what kinda player they are and sometimes wolves do this, plus I have few wolf reads

fwiw my brain hates being wrong and it treats "stop trying to kill villagers" as a direct blow to my pride

so saying that will literally never help me slow down on a push

~mawile
I have a solution to you hating being wrong. It's called town reading my slot and being right

that'd be too easy

~mawile

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Bottom Text wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 11:11 pm
trans rights wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 11:10 pm yeah we're not in mylo pretty sure unless we're dealing with exactly poop explosions/akemi/tspic. nothing else makes sense.
who is it that's posting this

it's vanity

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yeah we're not in mylo pretty sure unless we're dealing with exactly poop explosions/akemi/tspic. nothing else makes sense.

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well anyways julinook/akemi doesn't make sense because if you're going to be using that ability on a wolf it's probably going to be one that's more likely to get vigged

julinooks/mana is theoretically plausible but it assumes mana is lying about their night action, so that's probably a no as well

akemi/bottom text are almost certainly not w/w

meh. i don't think we're dealing with a world of 3 because i can't build one that makes any sense, other than maybe poop explosions/akemi/tspic

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Akemi Hazelnut wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 10:18 pm
trans rights wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 10:13 pm i wonder if mac will actually ever be able to read me correctly.
Why do i hate this post aaaa

if it helps i do too

~mawile

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Bottom Text wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 10:14 pm Players ISOs
1. Akemi Hazelnut (Alison & nutella) probably town
5. Julinook (juliets & NANOOK) looks good and I'm fine with our interactions but I don't really have a reason to strongly town read them
6. Mana (Made & Dana) everything I've read is just telling me vote them out, nobody likes the slot and I've seen no reason to change my mind but they're just kinda still here
7. Poop Explosions (c4e5g3d5 & MacDougall) I've barely read so the only post I remember from this slot is the one saying "maybe alison is making nutella a better wolf" which I feel like is a towny thought. I think mac's energy earlier where he wanted to tell other people to shut up because he's played the most all stars is good. I don't know why they're shielding us? And Mac seemingly having lower presence than I'd expect is kinda meh, but I think they're town and they should be an easy read if i iso them
10. TonyStarkPlaysItCool (TonyStarkPrime & Justplayingitcool) literally remember nothing from them at all, fine with voting
11. Toopy and Binoo (Gavial & Spak) I think they're town but the medium reason is shitty.
12. trans rights (vanity & Mistyx) stop trying to kill townies and maybe I'll consider why I town read you day 1 (I kinda forgot)
Spoiler: show
I did have the thought earlier that they have no reason to tunnel us like this if wolf but I'm not sure what kinda player they are and sometimes wolves do this, plus I have few wolf reads

fwiw my brain hates being wrong and it treats "stop trying to kill villagers" as a direct blow to my pride

so saying that will literally never help me slow down on a push

~mawile

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not sure how to process that incomplete thought.

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Akemi Hazelnut wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 10:09 pm
trans rights wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 10:06 pm i just realized i'm in a rut because i don't really think bottom text/mana is w/w
I haven't seen anything that clears that team but if I'm wrong on one of them it's probably just TSPIC.

wait why

~mawile

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yeah i don't think a team of 3 makes sense from my perspective unless that team of 3 is poop explosions/akemi/x

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Julinook wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 10:52 pm
Mana wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 10:50 pm
trans rights wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 10:48 pm sorry they NEVER claimed who they redirected actions from.
ur right, this thought process doesn't quite make sense, tossing it for now.
They basically did

well they only officially claimed it on d3 and didn't yesterday.

who are the 3 pr's that bottom text are supposedly getting info with their claim made? i know you now think your read is faulty but i want to know of how you came to that conclusion.

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sorry they NEVER claimed who they redirected actions from.

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like bottom text claims to redirect actions from one target to another

they claim the person they redirected actions to was mana. they claimed who they redirected the actions from.

how does this extort information from villager pr's other than just yourself mana?

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Mana wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 10:39 pm
trans rights wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 10:38 pm i'm not really understanding the point behind why claiming that role is wolfy
If BT is wolf, then the benefit of saying you targeted someone at someone else is you get info on 3 different town's PR if you push them to claim like BT pushed us.

i don't think they would've known that your action failed though? so this seems like hindsight bias

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i'm not really understanding the point behind why claiming that role is wolfy

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Mana wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 10:33 pm
trans rights wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 10:32 pm
Mana wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 10:32 pm Claiming to be a busdriver is kinda now that i think about it. You get a lot of info out of doing so
kinda... what?
kinda scummy*

huh? they claimed this yesterday.

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Mana wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 10:32 pm Claiming to be a busdriver is kinda now that i think about it. You get a lot of info out of doing so

kinda... what?

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bottom text's action probably failed as well actually, no?

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akemi - x1 tracker, tracked mana n1, no result
bottom text - x1 bus driver, redirected actions from akemi onto mana
julinooks - x? jailer, used their ability on akemi, causing akemi/mana's actions to fail
mana - x1 watcher, watched akemi n1, no result
poop explosions - x2 bg, holstered n1, protected akemi n2
tspic - unclaimed
toopy & binoo - x1 medium, used on two and through n1
trans rights - x1 commuter, holstered n1 and n2

these should be the claims, correct me if wrong

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Bottom Text wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 10:17 pm okay esooa is telling me she thinks nutella is a villager

i currently hate everything.

but i'm continuing this, because alison is provably bullshitting

i did NOT open this day trying to kill your slot. i opened this day and saw nutella posting egregiously bad posts.

absolutely terrible. up until this point i was laying out the cop claim thing just to gauge reactions, but the more i saw her post the more evident it became to me that she was going to be the likely end victim of that.

read nutellas opening posts. it's just shading poop for TERRIBLE reasons. absolutely BAFFLING. "why are the lovers dead if theres a BG" is a terrible push

lets expand it

lets say poop tries to save the lovers

this requires poop to townread H&V enough to go through with it, which is a stretch

this requires poop to correctly bodyguard the right one, which is 50/50 wifom

and this requires poop to not be blocked/disrupted, presumably by a wolf

like

hello?

afaik akemi weren't the only ones to bring this up so harping on them for this specifically is extremely silly.

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Akemi Hazelnut wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 10:18 pm
trans rights wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 10:13 pm i wonder if mac will actually ever be able to read me correctly.
Why do i hate this post aaaa

i'll continue bringing up that mac historically has an awful read on me until he eventually can read me accurately.

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honestly why don't we just kill mana today and not think about it that much? if julinooks/poop explosions/akemi/toopy and binoo are all town then they just have to be a wolf, no?

the only thing i can see is that we're getting snowed by like poop explosions/akemi w/w, which... might be possible based on the nightkill.

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Akemi Hazelnut wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 10:14 pm
trans rights wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 10:10 pm
Akemi Hazelnut wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 10:09 pm
trans rights wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 10:06 pm i just realized i'm in a rut because i don't really think bottom text/mana is w/w
I haven't seen anything that clears that team but if I'm wrong on one of them it's probably just TSPIC.
i mean what's the point of w!bottom text burying their partner for their watcher claim showing up as no result, and then continuing to push on their partner after a dichotomy of falconknows/mana was formed, on top of townreading falconknows

that seems like playing against your wincon, especially if two and through were indeed a wolf
Both BT and Mana took heavy heat yesterday. Scum teams distance under pressure. In fact if BT/Mana is the team they were both hard POE'd and essentially cannot win the game by just powerwolfing and killing villas because they don't have enough misexes. Someone has to go deep.

i guess so. i was wondering if it was bottom text just showcasing tmi but they weren't in that bad of a position yesterday where that sort of distancing is necessary.

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i wonder if mac will actually ever be able to read me correctly.

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Akemi Hazelnut wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 10:09 pm
trans rights wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 10:06 pm i just realized i'm in a rut because i don't really think bottom text/mana is w/w
I haven't seen anything that clears that team but if I'm wrong on one of them it's probably just TSPIC.

i mean what's the point of w!bottom text burying their partner for their watcher claim showing up as no result, and then continuing to push on their partner after a dichotomy of falconknows/mana was formed, on top of townreading falconknows

that seems like playing against your wincon, especially if two and through were indeed a wolf

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i just realized i'm in a rut because i don't really think bottom text/mana is w/w

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i'm entirely willing to stop pushing bt if it gets esooa to actually play the game

~mawile

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Bottom Text wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 9:54 pm my vote as esooa is on trans rights because they've been tunneling me for the entire game so I want them dead regardless of their alignment

that's all I have to contribute

thanks

~mawile

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anyways

we're town
poop explosions town
toopy & binoo town
julinooks town
akemi town

game seems easy

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oh i misinterpreted what that post was referring to. mb.

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Bottom Text wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 9:50 pm alright so i definitely expected to be called a wolf rolecop after allegedly correctly deducing their role and the fact they're not doing that is making me thonk

what i wasn't talking about you.

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Akemi Hazelnut wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 9:42 pm
trans rights wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 9:40 pm
Akemi Hazelnut wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 9:38 pm
trans rights wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 8:00 pm also, i'd still v read akemi if i thought nutella was being villagery, but i'm still only hard townreading alison's head.
Consider that someone who has played with nutella for I think literal decades and who catches her as scum on D1 every time has locked her town.
uh. decades? wot.

also doesnt amount much to me given you literally know she's a villager from your perspective if you are a villager.
I'm talking about Mac. AFAIK the Syndicate old guard have been playing together for more than a decade since RYM days.

i still think you're probably a villager and have been saying so the entire game so that doesn't exactly change much to me

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Julinook wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 9:47 pm
Bottom Text wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 9:45 pm
Julinook wrote: ↑Sun May 09, 2021 9:44 pm That is

Not an ideal n1

But a pretty impressive one nonetheless ngl
in a hypothetical world where you dont exist

alison tracks mana visiting themselves
mana watches themselves be visited by themselves, myself, and alison

smh
I cannot forgive myself for preventing this from happening

Assuming both claims are real but

Mana's probably is at least

all we know is mana is at minimum an investigative. it's plausible that they're a role cop or something. wolf watcher also works.

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they're probably joking lmao.

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