The Syndicate

TonyStarkPlaysItCool wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 3:05 pm

trans rights wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 3:05 pm

TonyStarkPlaysItCool wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 3:04 pm I seriously think I left my wolf range back in day 1. Like I still don't really get a sense of why we're being wolf read

continuously repeating this will not make you more villagery.

I still don't really get a sense of why we're being wolf read

you could just read my posts, you know. is my reasoning for why i think you're a wolf that esoteric?

Akemi Hazelnut wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 3:03 pm i mean since i've made a point of a you/bt dichotomy i dont know if you pseudo clearing bt is reverse psychology or what

i at least agree with you that tspic is most likely a wolf i'm just concerned that you fit with him more than anyone but bt

reverse... psychology? my point was that if mana was a v, and if wolves didn't seem like they cared who went over on d1, which seems decently likely based on how the votes turned out, that that wouldn't make sense in a game state where bottom text is on the chopping block. two and through/bottom text being the top wagons if they're both wolves means wolves have every reason to care.

TonyStarkPlaysItCool wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 3:04 pm I seriously think I left my wolf range back in day 1. Like I still don't really get a sense of why we're being wolf read

continuously repeating this will not make you more villagery.

gth i think it's tspic/akemi

poop explosions should just be v at this point. if we're trusting his nanook clear (which i think has validity to it) and the d1 wagon suggests bottom text is v, that's the only names left.

sure akemi did push on tspic but it always seemed like there were bigger targets akemi was gunning for

Akemi Hazelnut wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 2:59 pm but also please write shorter posts

no

also most of my posts have been short this game

wait most of my takes in this post were pretty clear wtf

i said i thought you/bottom text were probably villagers and julinook had the least amount of wolf equity with two and through

squints

Akemi Hazelnut wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 2:52 pm If youre really town and think poop can be a wolf here I need more than that

i don't think poop explosions is a wolf at all. i even said in that post that i was still thought mac was super villagery. at the time i was clearing you/bottom text so poop explosions was within the last couple of my names, but you being a wolf now seems more plausible than before because i think i could've been overthinking the spew posts that i thought looked for you.

TonyStarkPlaysItCool wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 6:03 pm It’s a game of probability. What do i think is more likely w/t or w/w? I go with w/t

I agree that the mana wagon was more villagery because of how rapid and the votes were purely off a snap read from something mana said. BT had a wagon i think constantly through the entire day iirc

not sure if i really believe this was a thought you had honestly? like obviously looking at the wagon it seems mostly villagery but the reasoning of how the wagon was built up based on the thing where mana self-preserved without knowing there were no votes on him is like. kinda silly. at best you can argue it's a nai mistake. i don't really get why jumping onto the wagon for that reason is villagery because it seems like a very nebulous thing to push someone based off of in the first place.

like why is it a villagery thought process to think mana making that mistake is wolfy? again, missing context. a lot of your justification for your reads seem like they're missing process. the speed and how quickly the wagon formed by itself isn't good enough my friend. why couldn't a wolf jump onto that wagon? mana was lhf and a suitable scapegoat. how rapid the votes piled on isn't sufficient reason to dismiss the votes being opportunistic. i don't get how that automatically makes the votes less likely to be opportunistic; it's an incomplete thought as far as i can tell. i guess villagers can jump onto cfd's, but so can wolves.

Akemi Hazelnut wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 8:06 pm

trans rights wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 7:12 pm i'm a little disappointed my earlier wall got glanced over but i get the sense that not only is nutella not interacting with it strange, but also that it seems like the only thing she got out of it was how people handled mana during eod1

which wall is this?

https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/viewt ... 00#p786379

i'm confused as to what wall this is though because i've only really written one wall this dayphase.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 10:43 am

trans rights wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 5:57 am …wut. we already have 0 misdefenestrates unless you theoretically block someone. but i don’t exactly think you’re a villager so if i am going to defenestrate today, it won’t be for that reason.

If we mdf someone today then we have a last chance block with less people

sorry, no. i'm not going to listen to one of my wolfreads when you're trying to play your role "optimally". it really just looks like you're trying to take yourself out of the poe with mechanics and secure the win today.

besides, if we do misdefenestrate, it would be no different than if we slept, except it becomes completely necessary for you to block correctly if you're a villager. like sure your chances to block the wolf increases if there's 5 as opposed to 6, but dodging your block is functionally identical in process. sorry friend, i know you get the win today, but i won't let you.

TonyStarkPlaysItCool wrote: ↑Fri May 14, 2021 5:56 am Other head, they want to mischop us instead

actually i’ve been advocating for sleep all day.

…wut. we already have 0 misdefenestrates unless you theoretically block someone. but i don’t exactly think you’re a villager so if i am going to defenestrate today, it won’t be for that reason.

trans rights wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 7:03 pm hello i am currently stuck in a fight with homework

y'all get vanity for probably the rest of the night

~mawile

jk you wont because i forgot i have work at 4 am tomorrow because im smart

i'm a little disappointed my earlier wall got glanced over but i get the sense that not only is nutella not interacting with it strange, but also that it seems like the only thing she got out of it was how people handled mana during eod1

actually the way nutella treats two and through and just doesn't budge when they tell her about spec chat invitational is... noteworthy to me because i don't read nutella as the type of person that would hold their ground so firmly on my alignment after all of the games we've played.

hello i am currently stuck in a fight with homework

y'all get vanity for probably the rest of the night

~mawile

Akemi Hazelnut wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 12:08 am

Poop Explosions wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 12:06 am

Akemi Hazelnut wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 12:05 am The kills could point to van wolfing over bt honestly

There are two wolves lol.

TR and BT are not the same alignment I'm pretty sure about that lol

why are you harping on this? fmpov bottom text could easily be a villager. i'm not buying this dichotomy you're selling friendo

actually why did tsp say the sleeping was wolfy. if your hydra has a roleblock you should want to sleep, no?

like sure if we defenestrate a wolf thats not you you can get a green check but that seems like a pipe dream

nanook probably is just town though. lemme think about this more

Poop Explosions wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 12:00 am

Akemi Hazelnut wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 11:58 pm Like I think all the attention on me and not killing me at night is an attempted distraction regardless of who between BT and TR is a wolf but I think one of them must be

In what universe do the mafia, after losing a number on n1, leave us both alive when we are lock clearing each other and make wifom kills like Walrus and Gavial?

I cannot view you as town anymore. I am very sorry if the wolves were banking on this all along but I've tunneled myself.

i mean despite that fact that "trans rights/poop explosions/akemi are still alive so one is probably a wolf" may have verity to it

the nightkills have been mechanically minded enough to where i don't think all of us being villagers is impossible based off of nightkills alone. i don't think walrus was a very wifom-y kill. toopy and binoo, sure.

TonyStarkPlaysItCool wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 6:36 pm

trans rights wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 6:35 pm asdf

again. for the umpteenth time. i tried voting two and through at eod and votes locked before my switch was processed. my gameplay doesn't suggest that i "wanted" bottom text to go over as opposed to two and through on d1.

I know you said this and I don’t care. It’s NAI

okay then you just admitted that your argument is bogus, at least for my motive.

asdf

again. for the umpteenth time. i tried voting two and through at eod and votes locked before my switch was processed. my gameplay doesn't suggest that i "wanted" bottom text to go over as opposed to two and through on d1.

btw i'll make it easy for everyone

trans rights/bottom text - never a world and everyone knows why
trans rights/tspic - lol read how i cased him on d1 and continued pushing on them all game. we're not partners.
trans rights/poop explosions - read c4's push on me. they've also been wolfreading me all game. this probably isn't a world from any of your perspectives. theoretically it can be distancing though.
trans rights/julinook - generally i don't think the way nanook has treated our slot this game is partner-y.
trans rights/akemi - this is possible and i can't think of any reason why it can't be! but if this is the team we suddenly pushed a village misdefenestrate in bottom text instead of just both hard bussing two and through and riding the game out on cred. we were perfectly poised to do so based on interactions with two and through. you judge for yourself.

Poop Explosions wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 11:23 pm People familiar with Vanity, I am struggling to read their pushes on TAT during day 1 as insincere, is vanity a know exponent of serious distancing and/or good at it? It just looks genuine to me.

There is always one/two mafia between them and Akemi Hazlenut I think, but they are emerging as the lesser likelihood the more I analyse.

distancing is a component of my wolf game for sure. i definitely like utilizing distancing and bussing in a way to give myself cred and to make solving harder

however i don't think you can chalk up my interactions with two and through to just "distancing". if two and through and i are w/w, it's to the point of theater.

i guess it's somewhat because if toopy and binoo wasnt nk'd then they would be our "hardclear", therefore we would vote because otherwise we just know toopy would die in the night

but thats's assuming that sleeping is doing what the wolves want us to do, which... seems like a stretch.

TonyStarkPlaysItCool wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 9:51 pm don't hammer sleep today

TonyStarkPlaysItCool wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 9:55 pm gav getting killed means sleeping is wolfy

come on... how does this make sense. like, let's assume toopy and binoo doesn't get nk'd; what's actually the difference? all it does is narrow down the pool for who could be powerwolfing. this essentially applies to any of the nightkills that could've happened. this is basic.

and sleeping is mechanically correct here. we have no hardclears. the only thing we know is julinook's action for sure happened. whether that's a village action or not... shrug. we basically just force wolves to kill one of the "powerwolfing candidates" by sleeping. it makes perfect sense.

TonyStarkPlaysItCool wrote: ↑Sat May 08, 2021 6:58 pm Kinda wish we tested it out earlier

ah okay i'm sorry i remembered this post and for some reason you voted and hammered in this same post.

then tell me how your vca extends beyond throwing darts at a dartboard

and yes you were the hammer on falconknows. check eod2.

TonyStarkPlaysItCool wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 6:03 pm It’s a game of probability. What do i think is more likely w/t or w/w? I go with w/t

I agree that the mana wagon was more villagery because of how rapid and the votes were purely off a snap read from something mana said. BT had a wagon i think constantly through the entire day iirc

are you unironically telling me you randomly guessed that bottom text was a villager and mana was a wolf?

bruh.

Akemi Hazelnut wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 11:46 pm I can see TR/TSPIC I thiiiiink?

can you go over why nook is totally clear tho cause i mean

it's nook

this isn't a world. i don't go from hard burying one partner to burying my other partner on d1. i might distance, but the way i've approached two and through AND tspic is anything but distancing. i've been suspicious of tspic all game.

TonyStarkPlaysItCool wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 1:48 am I don’t think i have ever seen my partner get annoyed.

imo the kill strongly suggests at least one powerwolf. Also, the fact that the PoE has mischopped two townies and y’all want to kill a third means the towncore is rotten to the core

oh come on this is total nonsense. we essentially defenestrated 2 lhf in a row, and now we basically don't have any lhf left. so your mind immediately goes to "zomg powerwolfing!!!". which, yeah, there's a wolf right now that's playing very well. i'm having a hard time even crafting a world right now that i actually believe. purely off of my reads, my mind is going to tspic/julinook, but that doesn't really make sense. someone is crushing it for sure. but there's NOTHING about falconknows or mana's alignment that is indicative of yours. in fact, you voted both of them; one was a hammer obviously, for further context. so how can you actually argue that you're about to get powerwolfed when you very well have contributed to the wolves wincon?

i mean, i have. i thought falconknows and mana were wolfy at some point. here's the catch though: most of us did. the only person i can think of who didn't push either of these two was bottom text, and you might not have pushed falconknows that hard. but this really isn't an argument for or against anyone. the only thing you're doing is deflecting off of yourself when the fact is that these two have flipped v doesn't make you look better or worse than anyone else.

TonyStarkPlaysItCool wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 5:10 pm

trans rights wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 4:44 pm like i can come to the conclusion now that the wagon + game state during eod1is a good look for bottom text but only now that i know two and through was for sure a wolf and mana was v

coming to that conclusion without that information is a little ????

anyways brb

I have already explained this numerous of times.

We can assume T&T was a wolf at this point. I came to the conclusion they were probably a wolf with the toopy thing and the janitor. We had a counterwagon to T&T in the form of BT. If we believe T&T was a wolf, then there is a strong likelihood that the counterwagon was town. It’s not impossible we had w/w, but it’s an unlikelier scenario.

This is not hard stuff.

TonyStarkPlaysItCool wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 5:14 pm At the time, i believed mana was a hit purely because of voting analysis. I felt at the time, that mana/T&T were likelier to be the w/w partnership.

okay but see this seems arbitrary without further explanation

why is the fact that two and through had a counterwagon make it likely for that counterwagon to be town? i've seen many a wagon in my lifetime, and i don't really get when people say the cw to a wolf is a villager as though that wagon is wolf motivated; like sure, from your perspective two and through seemed like a wolf, and mana seemed like a wolf, so 2 wolves would be voting for them. and sure, the wolves have to be voting somewhere. okay, so the fact that 2 wolves voted bottom text means bottom text is a villager? maybe. but that still seems like you're jumping a couple steps ahead. like you're choosing bottom text to be the village in the wagon, and mana to be the wolf in the wagon because... why? the mana wagon is so much more villagery? julinook is on that wagon, and you've vocally stated doubt about their role. also, mana and two and through weren't the ones who were hard pushing the wagon; two and through was self-preserving, and i don't even remember off the top of my head why mana voted there. the people that were actually pushing that wagon were akemi and our slot, and i know for sure that i'm not a wolf and i don't really think akemi's slot is a wolf atm. if anything, that would be the wolves taking advantage of a bad read that villagers have. otherwise you're just accusing one of me or akemi of trying to start up the wagon to save two and through, when both of us CLEARLY were wolfreading two and through's slot.

like it's a half-baked assumption. it's assuming that because there was a formidable cw to a wolf, that that cw is a villager because wolves wouldn't allow a game state where 2 of them are on the block. yet, you maintained that mana was a wolf yesterday. there's so much context missing from this read that is becomes near unintelligible.

TwoAndThrough wrote: ↑Tue May 04, 2021 11:12 pm

Akemi Hazelnut wrote: ↑Tue May 04, 2021 11:05 pm

TwoAndThrough wrote: ↑Tue May 04, 2021 11:04 pm @Akemi Hazelnut

Hey Nutella, remember that last time I got chainsawed all game by a tagteam and had the solve but no one listened to me so we lost to Vanity?

Well, admittedly you got N1Ked there so maybe you don't...

.....your point?


i really miss oatsmaster btw super fun player

Kinda hoping the reminder would get you to take a look at what's been going on here. Trans Rights and Blooy and Flooy have both just ignored all questions about their motives and have reached the point in their chainsaw where they are openly saying "not answering your questions about their motives is towny" for each other. I have Nanook calling me toxic for pointing this out for what I think it very obviously is, so I'ma move on...but if they manage to push me over I want someone who understands what I'm talking anout to be able to look back at it.

And for the record, despite the people who fretted about the "toxicity" in that game I too like Oatsmaster and if it weren't for covid we'd probably have met for dinner or something, and I played a very happy game with Holyflare since then too. But sure. Toxic.

TwoAndThrough wrote: ↑Wed May 05, 2021 12:31 pm Okay, Akemi Hazelnut is either town or mafia Alison has said "we need to be townread, Nutella get out there and share all these horrifically bad reads you have."

i don't really associate either of these are w/w interactions

the first one is a string where two and through tries reminding nutella of what happened in the spec chat invitational, and continues trying to push nutella towards the suggestion that i am indeed a wolf. like if you're a wolf you don't really need to go out of your way to convince your partner that someone else is a wolf; it's just an unnecessary interaction, and also not really something a wolf thinks of? like a wolf might ask another wolf for their reads, but i can't think of a lot of scenarios where a wolf explicitly tried to convince another wolf of something like two and through was trying to do here.

i also don't associate two and through calling nutella's reads bad as w/w. wolves aren't exactly going to think of their partner's reads as "reads", and associating them with being bad suggest to me that nutella's reads were actually real from two and through's perspective, and that he went out of his way to shake nutella from her ground

like the way two and through approaches akemi's slot isn't really in the realm of theater; they're way too subtle to be theater in my eyes. it feels like two and through was actually trying to get into nutella's head and mess with her, and i think that reinforces my v read on her.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu May 13, 2021 4:55 pm please note that the n1 kill was voting for tspic on day 1 also

that's not why walrus died though

they cc'd timsup2gettinserious' vig claim, that's why they died

like i can come to the conclusion now that the wagon + game state during eod1is a good look for bottom text but only now that i know two and through was for sure a wolf and mana was v

coming to that conclusion without that information is a little ????

anyways brb

tspic what made you think that the d1 wagon was indicative of v!bottom text yesterday?

hi, i'm going to pop in and pop out because i have stuff to do around the house and it's gonna... be a lengthy process. anyways, i want to talk about the d1 wagon real quick.

two and through:
timsup2gettinserious
honey & vinegar
toopy and binoo
bottom text

bottom text:
akemi
mana
trans rights
two and through

mana:
julinook
poop explosions
tspic

okay so this is the wagon for the record. again, going to stress that i did intend to change my vote to two and through at eod, but for all intents and purposes this is the votecount.

here's my problem with this votecount: look at this and assume we're dealing with a two and through and bottom text w/w scenario. why on earth would they not try and push the vote onto mana as opposed to self-preserving on each other? in fact, it doesn't just apply to a two and through/bottom text team: it applies to pretty much any team i can think of. it feels like the wolves should've had the numbers to actually just push v!mana over here on d1, and instead it looks like we actually did just hit. so what does this mean?

here's my take, and it might be spicy: wolves didn't care about who got defenestrated on d1. why? because if they did, they would've tried pushing the vote onto a villager, and they most likely would have the numbers to do so. i don't even think it would be that outing either, honestly.

someone mentioned it, but the two and through wagon is insanely pure. it's 3 confirmed villagers and bottom text. here's also why i think this votecount probably just makes bottom text a villager: it's based off of the assumption that wolves didn't care who went over. but like, actually process what a wolf team would do on d1 if 2 of them are on the chopping block, and there's a legitimate cw onto a villager. you would think that the wolves would care, right? if they are going to self-janitor two and through anyways, why wouldn't they just bus then if we're eventually going to figure out they're a hit anyways? because we know we're v, and if bottom text is v, the two and through wagon would be... all villagers? lol? i almost think the wolves were intentionally muddying the waters here. it doesn't make sense otherwise to have a viable villager counterwagon and not at least try to push that over.

and the bottom text wagon doesn't even look that impure anyways. it's us, which we know we're a villager, mana, who's a villager, two and through, who is a wolf, and akemi. obviously if there's another wolf on the bottom text wagon it's akemi, but even if that's true, we then have to look at the mana wagon, because that wagon is guaranteed to have a wolf. unless the team is exactly akemi/bottom text, which... yeah, don't think that's a team.

julinook
poop explosions
tspic

so here's my take: i think there MIIIIIGHT be 2 wolves in here. might being the key word. like if we're assuming bottom text is a villager, and wolves don't really want anything to do with the two and through vs bottom text situation (which is weird but it seems to be the case), then doesn't it make sense for a wolf to just park here and twiddle their thumbs till eod? as another point, if there are 2 wolves on this mana wagon, it makes sense why they had a harder time trying to push mana over. at that point, they would have to switch to bottom text, and arguably it doesn't really make sense for either of these slots to switch to bottom text.

plus, if alison is already trying to hardcore kill two and through, i don't really get why nutella would try pivoting to bottom text if she were a wolf. like she knows we'll get to this position eventually as long as they play their cards right, and doesn't it just look better to be parked on two and through? just hard bus two and through, and ride the cred out to victory. what nutella did basically negated any cred her slot could've gotten. she never switched either. it's counterintuitive if akemi is a wolf. this was a very nebulous and tentative wagon folks.

i think of the 3 names, julinook probably has the least wolf equity with two and through. the other two easily could, but that assumes i've been wrong on poop explosions for a majority of the game, which... i guess is possible but god mac was villagery yesterday. i'll have to think about it.

but again, i have stuff to do so... i'll be back later and will let yall chew on this.

did bt misread their role pm again

~mawile

Bottom Text wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 9:32 pm uhhh

okay

i just thought of something

and it has really strong implications

and i'm torn on whether or not i should say anything more today

mrrrrrrrrrrr

its milo this is the time to do it

~mawile

Poop Explosions wrote: ↑Wed May 12, 2021 9:06 pm Look it might not be clear to everyone but the night kill choice last night should essentially clear our slot because it confirms the mafia believe our claim and tried to kill outside our likely targets. That's literally the only explanation for killing that slot.

the explanation for that slot is that they were considered lock clear by basically everyone

~mawile

ah yeah i checked that page and it's not a great look for akemi or poop explosions admittedly. i do have some tinfoil there but i don't think it's super wolfy

hi

i think alitella is a wolf

read pages 43 and 44 with the context that FK/mana are v/v and see if you see what i see

~ninetales

we slep

also two and through's a confirmed wolf atp. will iso them proper for spew but atm i think it clears akemi/julinook

also not sure if w!bottom text makes that kill? but the game might just be easy.

Julinook wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 6:53 pm Is the hammer not at 5? 8 alive, it should be

it should be hammered.

anyways sorry if you're a v mana but i'm currently not thinking that's the case

c'mon at least let mist show up if she wants :<

Mana wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 6:48 pm

Julinook wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 6:46 pm

Mana wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 6:43 pm Okay, so It seems my slot is read scum right now entirely on tone regardless of mechs, reads by made, Dana meta, and everything else?

Is that correct?

if it is, Made is just gonna throw in the towel, cuz there's no winning this if that's the case. Like I don't think there's a way to change anyone opinions, and I'm cool not beating my head against a wall if everyone is sure

Sell me on TR

TR would be scum in the world where BT is town and T&T is scum. TR was going to vote their teammate, but didn't realizing it would of put them over the edge instead of the random vote at hte end of day 1. It's not a particuarly strong case (exactly 4th in mades POE, but it's a case.)

But why would I sell you on TR, do you you're own damn pushes, don't be lazy Mr. Nook

i mean no and i'm not going to explain this for the umpteenth time.

mist might show up btw. unsure. she got pestered by her parents or something.

Mana wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 6:46 pm

Mana wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 6:46 pm

Julinook wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 6:46 pm

Mana wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 6:43 pm Okay, so It seems my slot is read scum right now entirely on tone regardless of mechs, reads by made, Dana meta, and everything else?

Is that correct?

if it is, Made is just gonna throw in the towel, cuz there's no winning this if that's the case. Like I don't think there's a way to change anyone opinions, and I'm cool not beating my head against a wall if everyone is sure

Sell me on TR

why tr?

or wait did you mean town read and not trans rights

he means me.

TonyStarkPlaysItCool wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 6:45 pm

trans rights wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 6:38 pm

TonyStarkPlaysItCool wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 6:37 pm

trans rights wrote: ↑Tue May 11, 2021 3:51 pm does anyone like. actually feel like there's been 3 wolves today? does it feel like a game state where 3 wolves are running around? i've seen times where jpic thought there could've been 3 wolves but in general the thread feels too villagery for us to be dealing with 3 wolves

This is untrue.

I have said that T&T was likely a wolf so we are probably dealing with two wolves alive rn. I have just given possible worlds if T&T was town because we don't actually know, even if I do lean on the side of them being scum atm

you... definitely made a post where you started thinking two and through was actually villager and that the team was... i don't remember exactly what it was but it included mana/me/x or something

i can quote it because i 100% know you made it.

Im not denying I said it but that was a brief tinfoiley moment which I disregarded quickly. Your post implied that was where my current thoughts were

i didn't mean to imply it and i don't think my post really implied it either. thanks for clarifying though.