The Syndicate

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 2:37 pm Perhaps I am being fooled by sabie

Her not shooting Paopan last night looks bad

Finally, some normal thinking

It is like town wants to lose this game

We only killed mafia cuz:

Flacon res checked Tsp
Marmot got shot by dya
Dizzy by ilario
Mac by me, alexa and sabie

We never seem to decide on an actual mafia lynch (unless red checked), and now we are even more divided than ever before and that is really crazy. Usually scum creates the diffusion, so who is guilty of that? Alexa should be with me and Porscha in towncore, yet... poisoned and scumread. Like wtf.

Red* checked

alexa wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 2:49 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 2:47 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 2:46 pm targetting illario is not pointless FMPOV. he is playing maliciously, he is not going to achieve his "claimed wincon" when i die and idk what other powers he have so i want to kill him and i won't stop voting him until he dies.

from other people's POV, it's w/e, but you know how letting a claimed 3P live went last year.
We also need to catch the mafia team. Who are they?
idk, I just killed one of them. I'd like Paopan to die then to re-assess from there. but I won't even get a shot to live.

Please consider lynching Sloonei with me today

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 2:37 pm Perhaps I am being fooled by sabie

Her not shooting Paopan last night looks bad

But then look into Sabia and Paopan also mafia is a thing.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 2:51 pm
Belzy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 2:49 pm It is like town wants to lose this game

We only killed mafia cuz:

Flacon res checked Tsp
Marmot got shot by dya
Dizzy by ilario
Mac by me, alexa and sabie

We never seem to decide on an actual mafia lynch (unless red checked), and now we are even more divided than ever before and that is really crazy. Usually scum creates the diffusion, so who is guilty of that? Alexa should be with me and Porscha in towncore, yet... poisoned and scumread. Like wtf.
Here is where some consideration of the Town Sloonei worldview comes in handy.

I am town. The POE of others seems to heavily suggest I must be mafia in order for the game to make sense.

My own 3-person POE of Sabie, paopan, and Creature does not feel very solid.

Therefore I am lead to question the game state.

Sabie not shooting Paopon is a connection between the two

Alexa is town

Alexa and Paopan are not teamed

You may not be teamed with Paopon, but i sometimes think it still could be

Maybe we should look into Sabie and Paopon then

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 2:54 pm Sloonei is like my top suspect but they seem to be claiming a confirmable role so it's lynch Wilgy or risk lynching a protective for me.

Why lynch Wilg then, and not Sabie or Paopan?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 2:55 pm
Belzy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 2:55 pm Maybe we should look into Sabie and Paopon then
What has Creature done to become an irrefutable town read?

I have not townread Creature, so why ask me?

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 2:55 pm sabie I'd rather keep her alive in hopes she actually uses her vig shot tonight on PoE and doesn't just holster.

What if sabie is mafia? Then we should kill her before anyone else. Why you don't consider that at all?

Maybe lynching between sabie and Paopan is smart

Belzy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 2:58 pm Maybe lynching between sabie and Paopan is smart

Between sabie and creative*

Creature*

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 2:58 pm
Belzy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 2:57 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 2:55 pm sabie I'd rather keep her alive in hopes she actually uses her vig shot tonight on PoE and doesn't just holster.
What if sabie is mafia? Then we should kill her before anyone else. Why you don't consider that at all?
idk I still think she is town vig and lynching town vig would be really bad for us

Based on what do you townread her? You are very quick and easy to just townread her, and play the vig card that we have to protect her, but we really need to be wary of her if she is scum. That does not seem to concern you at all.

alexa wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 2:59 pm
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 2:58 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 2:39 pm
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 2:39 pm I don't think sabie holstering makes them look bad because there was discussion in the thread wrt holstering in the last day phase
They said they were gonna shoot overnight though.
hmm

it does feel like their w/w stock rose if that is the case
yeah, this is why i've been weirded out. we had a 24 hour chat and they never mentioned anything about holstering

Sabie and Creature being wolves together keeps growing on me

If Paopon is scum with sabie and creature then they are bussing rn in the vc

[VOTE: sabie12] aubergine

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:04 pm If sabie is a wolf, it also heavily implies paopan is one as well. Maybe the sabie/paopan/creature world does make sense after all.

It kinda does / is where I am at rn

People really have to trust me Alaxa is town, we together wanted Mac dead, and Sabie was forced to join us

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:05 pm
Belzy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:02 pm If Paopon is scum with sabie and creature then they are bussing rn in the vc
I don't think it's all 3.

Who coulda woulda shoulda ya replace with whom?

sabie12 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:03 pm People can discuss what they think I did or did not say in a btsc. I feel like that is a slippery slope. Alexa and belzy talked about it together and tried to make a decision on my behalf. It's very hard to defend myself against something that others cannot see. I have explained my thought process and where my apprehension came from and I expressed that in the chat. it was also discussed that if I didn't shoot paopan he would be chopped anyway. I think I'm valid in being cautious here. I expressed that I had one shot left what if I chose wrong and mess things up further? So basically me choosing not to use up my last shot means I'm mafia. I'm not upset or anything just putting my perspective out there.

Why didn't you tell me and Alexa you were going to holster? You agreed with us you shoot if we kill Mac.

Belzy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:07 pm
sabie12 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:03 pm People can discuss what they think I did or did not say in a btsc. I feel like that is a slippery slope. Alexa and belzy talked about it together and tried to make a decision on my behalf. It's very hard to defend myself against something that others cannot see. I have explained my thought process and where my apprehension came from and I expressed that in the chat. it was also discussed that if I didn't shoot paopan he would be chopped anyway. I think I'm valid in being cautious here. I expressed that I had one shot left what if I chose wrong and mess things up further? So basically me choosing not to use up my last shot means I'm mafia. I'm not upset or anything just putting my perspective out there.
Why didn't you tell me and Alexa you were going to holster? You agreed with us you shoot if we kill Mac.

Late evening too (eod @ midnight for me)

Sabie aint being truthful

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:08 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:07 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:06 pm
sabie12 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:03 pm People can discuss what they think I did or did not say in a btsc. I feel like that is a slippery slope. Alexa and belzy talked about it together and tried to make a decision on my behalf. It's very hard to defend myself against something that others cannot see. I have explained my thought process and where my apprehension came from and I expressed that in the chat. it was also discussed that if I didn't shoot paopan he would be chopped anyway. I think I'm valid in being cautious here. I expressed that I had one shot left what if I chose wrong and mess things up further? So basically me choosing not to use up my last shot means I'm mafia. I'm not upset or anything just putting my perspective out there.
But see, I think I believe Sabie when she says this. This tone is real. Sabie is adamant about her decision and offers no justifications beyond the immediate sense of caution she felt about pulling the trigger. She is correct that we've had a lot of vigilante misfires in this game. I can fully understand her reservations about pulling the trigger, and she makes it seem as though she was less willing to shoot paopan than either of her chat partners from last night.
Ok, but she expressed 0 of this hesitation in chat.
Sabie seems to suggest that she was not as enthusiastic about the plan as the two of you. Would you say that this was the case? How would you describe sabie's participation in the group chat?

Alexa and I pushed for the Mac lynch, with only paopan as alternatieve, but i really wanted Mac dead, alexa followed, sabie followed.

Belzy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:09 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:08 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:07 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:06 pm
sabie12 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:03 pm People can discuss what they think I did or did not say in a btsc. I feel like that is a slippery slope. Alexa and belzy talked about it together and tried to make a decision on my behalf. It's very hard to defend myself against something that others cannot see. I have explained my thought process and where my apprehension came from and I expressed that in the chat. it was also discussed that if I didn't shoot paopan he would be chopped anyway. I think I'm valid in being cautious here. I expressed that I had one shot left what if I chose wrong and mess things up further? So basically me choosing not to use up my last shot means I'm mafia. I'm not upset or anything just putting my perspective out there.
But see, I think I believe Sabie when she says this. This tone is real. Sabie is adamant about her decision and offers no justifications beyond the immediate sense of caution she felt about pulling the trigger. She is correct that we've had a lot of vigilante misfires in this game. I can fully understand her reservations about pulling the trigger, and she makes it seem as though she was less willing to shoot paopan than either of her chat partners from last night.
Ok, but she expressed 0 of this hesitation in chat.
Sabie seems to suggest that she was not as enthusiastic about the plan as the two of you. Would you say that this was the case? How would you describe sabie's participation in the group chat?
Alexa and I pushed for the Mac lynch, with only paopan as alternatieve, but i really wanted Mac dead, alexa followed, sabie followed.

And like i said before: alexa started naming a name as first, namely Mac. So alexa and i together led the kill on Mac

Sabie talking inthread different than in our vig chat is scummy af, especially with broken a promise to me and Alexa

alexa wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:11 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:08 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:07 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:06 pm
sabie12 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:03 pm People can discuss what they think I did or did not say in a btsc. I feel like that is a slippery slope. Alexa and belzy talked about it together and tried to make a decision on my behalf. It's very hard to defend myself against something that others cannot see. I have explained my thought process and where my apprehension came from and I expressed that in the chat. it was also discussed that if I didn't shoot paopan he would be chopped anyway. I think I'm valid in being cautious here. I expressed that I had one shot left what if I chose wrong and mess things up further? So basically me choosing not to use up my last shot means I'm mafia. I'm not upset or anything just putting my perspective out there.
But see, I think I believe Sabie when she says this. This tone is real. Sabie is adamant about her decision and offers no justifications beyond the immediate sense of caution she felt about pulling the trigger. She is correct that we've had a lot of vigilante misfires in this game. I can fully understand her reservations about pulling the trigger, and she makes it seem as though she was less willing to shoot paopan than either of her chat partners from last night.
Ok, but she expressed 0 of this hesitation in chat.
Sabie seems to suggest that she was not as enthusiastic about the plan as the two of you. Would you say that this was the case? How would you describe sabie's participation in the group chat?
If that's the case, she did not speak up about it at all, so I'm not sure why she's lying now. In the group chat, we all talked about how we scumread Mac and Pao, but were more confident on Mac and our shot couldn't be blocked so we went with it. Sabie seemed equally (or even more-so) confident on Paopan scum as well. I confirmed that she had a vig shot left and she confirmed she'd be firing it at Paopan

I confirm Alexa speaking the truth and nothing but the truth.

Amd Sabie being two faced, and broke a promise to me and Alexa.

alexa wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:15 pm
Belzy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:12 pm Sabie talking inthread different than in our vig chat is scummy af, especially with broken a promise to me and Alexa
yeah agreed

but also if she was going to overtly/maliciously lie, idk why she didn't soup us last night so we couldn't call her out. it's still sketchy af though

I read somewhere soup kill can only happen with one mafia left, and has to be mafia goon. So maybe soup kill cannot happen rn

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:18 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:18 pm sabie12 doesn't strike me as someone with a big wolf mindset tbh
She is craftier than you might think.

Which is exactly how i read her play.

How she suddenly woke up shading me earlier on, also.

And now being two faced, promising me and Alexa something, and talk here like a whole different person.

Lynch sabie rn rh

Wolf vig

Or mafia who sends in factional kill wtv

sabie12 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:21 pm I didn't shade anyone I in fact defended alexa and belzy. After seeing macs flip I felt that looked better for them.

Calling me scum rn is only something Paopon still would do

And perhaps you want our trust

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:30 pm Perhaps we can rely on sabie12 being town and tell her to vig inside POE. We'd need to get at least one of the lynch/vig targets right to live to D5 though.

Don't trust her. She broke her promise, is two faced, only shot town, and lied about shooting Paopan who we give high scum%

And Alexa is just town!!!!

Alexa and I were together in chat with sabie

Alexa and i back each other stories, but not Sabie('s)!!!!!!!!

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:37 pm
Belzy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:35 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:30 pm Perhaps we can rely on sabie12 being town and tell her to vig inside POE. We'd need to get at least one of the lynch/vig targets right to live to D5 though.
Don't trust her. She broke her promise, is two faced, only shot town, and lied about shooting Paopan who we give high scum%
It is not necessary to use such harsh personal language when making this accusation.

I am sorry, where?

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:38 pm
Belzy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:37 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:37 pm
Belzy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:35 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:30 pm Perhaps we can rely on sabie12 being town and tell her to vig inside POE. We'd need to get at least one of the lynch/vig targets right to live to D5 though.
Don't trust her. She broke her promise, is two faced, only shot town, and lied about shooting Paopan who we give high scum%
It is not necessary to use such harsh personal language when making this accusation.
I am sorry, where?
two-faced was a bit strong

It is? I am not a native English speaker. Having two faces just means showinf one face here (in the thread) and a different one elsewhere (the chat with Alexa and me). How do you say that less strong in English?

We are nearing 10k posts!!!!!!!

My ex gf is two faced also.

But then irl.

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:42 pm
Belzy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:41 pm We are nearing 10k posts!!!!!!!
12% of them will be mine

That is a lot of pie.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:43 pm
Belzy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:37 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:37 pm
Belzy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:35 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:30 pm Perhaps we can rely on sabie12 being town and tell her to vig inside POE. We'd need to get at least one of the lynch/vig targets right to live to D5 though.
Don't trust her. She broke her promise, is two faced, only shot town, and lied about shooting Paopan who we give high scum%
It is not necessary to use such harsh personal language when making this accusation.
I am sorry, where?
”broke her promise” and “two faced” come off as personal attacks.

No, just no.

She promised me and Alexa to kill Paopan.

She didn't.

So she broke her promise.

How is this personal???????!!!!!!!!!!

SLOONEI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:47 pm It clearly was not meant to be taken personally. Just stop saying it was a personal attack.

Thank you for this.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:46 pm
Belzy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:40 pm
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:38 pm
Belzy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:37 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:37 pm
Belzy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:35 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:30 pm Perhaps we can rely on sabie12 being town and tell her to vig inside POE. We'd need to get at least one of the lynch/vig targets right to live to D5 though.
Don't trust her. She broke her promise, is two faced, only shot town, and lied about shooting Paopan who we give high scum%
It is not necessary to use such harsh personal language when making this accusation.
I am sorry, where?
two-faced was a bit strong
It is? I am not a native English speaker. Having two faces just means showinf one face here (in the thread) and a different one elsewhere (the chat with Alexa and me). How do you say that less strong in English?
That’s alright. I certainly don’t think you meant any harm. But “two faced” has harsher connotations among some native English speakers. Simply saying that sabie lied about her actions would do the trick.

Understood, actually.

alexa wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:49 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:48 pm Maybe Sloonei is not mafia

Or at least, I don't really think I see much of an agenda behind his recent posting

@Belzy, why are you convinced?
And by recent I mean on review of the last couple pages

I haven't scumread Sloonei anymore lately. Sabie with Creature and or Paopon has been lately for me

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:49 pm Honestly, if Belzy feels this way about Sabie re: Pao, then they should vote Pao

No, because sabie is not truthful, so Sabie is the one i should vote for then. And sabie has killing power. Scum with killing power.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:49 pm I do feel the thread is going in a negative direction. Luckily I'm not mad. Like legit I'm not. There was a misunderstanding and I think it's clear from how this conversation is going now that could happen.

Sometimes i can be passionate in my wording, so i hope nothing negatieve is sticking

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:51 pm The world where all of alexa, Sloonei and I are town seem pretty complicated. Who could be wolf?

DrWilgy and Paopan?

dyachei who decided to shoot her teammate D1 when low in numbers?

ilario who decided to shoot his teammate (or claim hollowkatt's vig) and claim 3p as wolf?

sabie12 who decided to claim night vigilante D2 and shot Ender of all people?

Or perhaps crazier territories like falcon claiming red check on a wolf mate and green check on town or Belzy's and Porscha's wolf roles being exactly toxic masons?

If i have to defend myself and Porscha being town at this rate i will jump off a bridge lol

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:53 pm
Belzy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:50 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:49 pm Honestly, if Belzy feels this way about Sabie re: Pao, then they should vote Pao
No, because sabie is not truthful, so Sabie is the one i should vote for then. And sabie has killing power. Scum with killing power.
But if Sabie is scum, then it makes no sense for them to not shoot T! Pao. It would draw negative attention to them, like it is.

It only makes sense for W! Sabie to not shoot W! Pao. Test Sabies claim of holstering due to uncertainty by lynching who you already think is scummy.

Otherwise, it's hard not to see your treatment of sabie outside of tunneling

I see your point, but then the conclusion is they both are mafia and Sabie has killing power

But we do need to decide on a lynch, and Paopon is a valuable option. At some point i will sleep, and that is good for me.

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:56 pm I think this is bringing me into closing on DrWilgy/Paopan/sabie12

I just hate the implication of possibly lynching a town vigilante here.

Wilg warrants more investigation, too.

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