The Syndicate

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:38 pm
Belzy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:37 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:37 pm
Belzy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:35 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:30 pm Perhaps we can rely on sabie12 being town and tell her to vig inside POE. We'd need to get at least one of the lynch/vig targets right to live to D5 though.
Don't trust her. She broke her promise, is two faced, only shot town, and lied about shooting Paopan who we give high scum%
It is not necessary to use such harsh personal language when making this accusation.
I am sorry, where?
two-faced was a bit strong

It is? I am not a native English speaker. Having two faces just means showinf one face here (in the thread) and a different one elsewhere (the chat with Alexa and me). How do you say that less strong in English?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:37 pm
Belzy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:35 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:30 pm Perhaps we can rely on sabie12 being town and tell her to vig inside POE. We'd need to get at least one of the lynch/vig targets right to live to D5 though.
Don't trust her. She broke her promise, is two faced, only shot town, and lied about shooting Paopan who we give high scum%
It is not necessary to use such harsh personal language when making this accusation.

I am sorry, where?

Alexa and I were together in chat with sabie

Alexa and i back each other stories, but not Sabie('s)!!!!!!!!

And Alexa is just town!!!!

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:30 pm Perhaps we can rely on sabie12 being town and tell her to vig inside POE. We'd need to get at least one of the lynch/vig targets right to live to D5 though.

Don't trust her. She broke her promise, is two faced, only shot town, and lied about shooting Paopan who we give high scum%

sabie12 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:21 pm I didn't shade anyone I in fact defended alexa and belzy. After seeing macs flip I felt that looked better for them.

Calling me scum rn is only something Paopon still would do

And perhaps you want our trust

Or mafia who sends in factional kill wtv

Lynch sabie rn rh

Wolf vig

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:18 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:18 pm sabie12 doesn't strike me as someone with a big wolf mindset tbh
She is craftier than you might think.

Which is exactly how i read her play.

How she suddenly woke up shading me earlier on, also.

And now being two faced, promising me and Alexa something, and talk here like a whole different person.

alexa wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:15 pm
Belzy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:12 pm Sabie talking inthread different than in our vig chat is scummy af, especially with broken a promise to me and Alexa
yeah agreed

but also if she was going to overtly/maliciously lie, idk why she didn't soup us last night so we couldn't call her out. it's still sketchy af though

I read somewhere soup kill can only happen with one mafia left, and has to be mafia goon. So maybe soup kill cannot happen rn

alexa wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:11 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:08 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:07 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:06 pm
sabie12 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:03 pm People can discuss what they think I did or did not say in a btsc. I feel like that is a slippery slope. Alexa and belzy talked about it together and tried to make a decision on my behalf. It's very hard to defend myself against something that others cannot see. I have explained my thought process and where my apprehension came from and I expressed that in the chat. it was also discussed that if I didn't shoot paopan he would be chopped anyway. I think I'm valid in being cautious here. I expressed that I had one shot left what if I chose wrong and mess things up further? So basically me choosing not to use up my last shot means I'm mafia. I'm not upset or anything just putting my perspective out there.
But see, I think I believe Sabie when she says this. This tone is real. Sabie is adamant about her decision and offers no justifications beyond the immediate sense of caution she felt about pulling the trigger. She is correct that we've had a lot of vigilante misfires in this game. I can fully understand her reservations about pulling the trigger, and she makes it seem as though she was less willing to shoot paopan than either of her chat partners from last night.
Ok, but she expressed 0 of this hesitation in chat.
Sabie seems to suggest that she was not as enthusiastic about the plan as the two of you. Would you say that this was the case? How would you describe sabie's participation in the group chat?
If that's the case, she did not speak up about it at all, so I'm not sure why she's lying now. In the group chat, we all talked about how we scumread Mac and Pao, but were more confident on Mac and our shot couldn't be blocked so we went with it. Sabie seemed equally (or even more-so) confident on Paopan scum as well. I confirmed that she had a vig shot left and she confirmed she'd be firing it at Paopan

I confirm Alexa speaking the truth and nothing but the truth.

Amd Sabie being two faced, and broke a promise to me and Alexa.

Sabie talking inthread different than in our vig chat is scummy af, especially with broken a promise to me and Alexa

Belzy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:09 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:08 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:07 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:06 pm
sabie12 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:03 pm People can discuss what they think I did or did not say in a btsc. I feel like that is a slippery slope. Alexa and belzy talked about it together and tried to make a decision on my behalf. It's very hard to defend myself against something that others cannot see. I have explained my thought process and where my apprehension came from and I expressed that in the chat. it was also discussed that if I didn't shoot paopan he would be chopped anyway. I think I'm valid in being cautious here. I expressed that I had one shot left what if I chose wrong and mess things up further? So basically me choosing not to use up my last shot means I'm mafia. I'm not upset or anything just putting my perspective out there.
But see, I think I believe Sabie when she says this. This tone is real. Sabie is adamant about her decision and offers no justifications beyond the immediate sense of caution she felt about pulling the trigger. She is correct that we've had a lot of vigilante misfires in this game. I can fully understand her reservations about pulling the trigger, and she makes it seem as though she was less willing to shoot paopan than either of her chat partners from last night.
Ok, but she expressed 0 of this hesitation in chat.
Sabie seems to suggest that she was not as enthusiastic about the plan as the two of you. Would you say that this was the case? How would you describe sabie's participation in the group chat?
Alexa and I pushed for the Mac lynch, with only paopan as alternatieve, but i really wanted Mac dead, alexa followed, sabie followed.

And like i said before: alexa started naming a name as first, namely Mac. So alexa and i together led the kill on Mac

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:08 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:07 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:06 pm
sabie12 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:03 pm People can discuss what they think I did or did not say in a btsc. I feel like that is a slippery slope. Alexa and belzy talked about it together and tried to make a decision on my behalf. It's very hard to defend myself against something that others cannot see. I have explained my thought process and where my apprehension came from and I expressed that in the chat. it was also discussed that if I didn't shoot paopan he would be chopped anyway. I think I'm valid in being cautious here. I expressed that I had one shot left what if I chose wrong and mess things up further? So basically me choosing not to use up my last shot means I'm mafia. I'm not upset or anything just putting my perspective out there.
But see, I think I believe Sabie when she says this. This tone is real. Sabie is adamant about her decision and offers no justifications beyond the immediate sense of caution she felt about pulling the trigger. She is correct that we've had a lot of vigilante misfires in this game. I can fully understand her reservations about pulling the trigger, and she makes it seem as though she was less willing to shoot paopan than either of her chat partners from last night.
Ok, but she expressed 0 of this hesitation in chat.
Sabie seems to suggest that she was not as enthusiastic about the plan as the two of you. Would you say that this was the case? How would you describe sabie's participation in the group chat?

Alexa and I pushed for the Mac lynch, with only paopan as alternatieve, but i really wanted Mac dead, alexa followed, sabie followed.

Sabie aint being truthful

Belzy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:07 pm
sabie12 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:03 pm People can discuss what they think I did or did not say in a btsc. I feel like that is a slippery slope. Alexa and belzy talked about it together and tried to make a decision on my behalf. It's very hard to defend myself against something that others cannot see. I have explained my thought process and where my apprehension came from and I expressed that in the chat. it was also discussed that if I didn't shoot paopan he would be chopped anyway. I think I'm valid in being cautious here. I expressed that I had one shot left what if I chose wrong and mess things up further? So basically me choosing not to use up my last shot means I'm mafia. I'm not upset or anything just putting my perspective out there.
Why didn't you tell me and Alexa you were going to holster? You agreed with us you shoot if we kill Mac.

Late evening too (eod @ midnight for me)

sabie12 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:03 pm People can discuss what they think I did or did not say in a btsc. I feel like that is a slippery slope. Alexa and belzy talked about it together and tried to make a decision on my behalf. It's very hard to defend myself against something that others cannot see. I have explained my thought process and where my apprehension came from and I expressed that in the chat. it was also discussed that if I didn't shoot paopan he would be chopped anyway. I think I'm valid in being cautious here. I expressed that I had one shot left what if I chose wrong and mess things up further? So basically me choosing not to use up my last shot means I'm mafia. I'm not upset or anything just putting my perspective out there.

Why didn't you tell me and Alexa you were going to holster? You agreed with us you shoot if we kill Mac.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:05 pm
Belzy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:02 pm If Paopon is scum with sabie and creature then they are bussing rn in the vc
I don't think it's all 3.

Who coulda woulda shoulda ya replace with whom?

People really have to trust me Alaxa is town, we together wanted Mac dead, and Sabie was forced to join us

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:04 pm If sabie is a wolf, it also heavily implies paopan is one as well. Maybe the sabie/paopan/creature world does make sense after all.

It kinda does / is where I am at rn

[VOTE: sabie12] aubergine

If Paopon is scum with sabie and creature then they are bussing rn in the vc

alexa wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 2:59 pm
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 2:58 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 2:39 pm
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 2:39 pm I don't think sabie holstering makes them look bad because there was discussion in the thread wrt holstering in the last day phase
They said they were gonna shoot overnight though.
hmm

it does feel like their w/w stock rose if that is the case
yeah, this is why i've been weirded out. we had a 24 hour chat and they never mentioned anything about holstering

Sabie and Creature being wolves together keeps growing on me

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 2:58 pm
Belzy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 2:57 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 2:55 pm sabie I'd rather keep her alive in hopes she actually uses her vig shot tonight on PoE and doesn't just holster.
What if sabie is mafia? Then we should kill her before anyone else. Why you don't consider that at all?
idk I still think she is town vig and lynching town vig would be really bad for us

Based on what do you townread her? You are very quick and easy to just townread her, and play the vig card that we have to protect her, but we really need to be wary of her if she is scum. That does not seem to concern you at all.

Creature*

Belzy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 2:58 pm Maybe lynching between sabie and Paopan is smart

Between sabie and creative*

Maybe lynching between sabie and Paopan is smart

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 2:55 pm sabie I'd rather keep her alive in hopes she actually uses her vig shot tonight on PoE and doesn't just holster.

What if sabie is mafia? Then we should kill her before anyone else. Why you don't consider that at all?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 2:55 pm
Belzy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 2:55 pm Maybe we should look into Sabie and Paopon then
What has Creature done to become an irrefutable town read?

I have not townread Creature, so why ask me?

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 2:54 pm Sloonei is like my top suspect but they seem to be claiming a confirmable role so it's lynch Wilgy or risk lynching a protective for me.

Why lynch Wilg then, and not Sabie or Paopan?

Maybe we should look into Sabie and Paopon then

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 2:51 pm
Belzy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 2:49 pm It is like town wants to lose this game

We only killed mafia cuz:

Flacon res checked Tsp
Marmot got shot by dya
Dizzy by ilario
Mac by me, alexa and sabie

We never seem to decide on an actual mafia lynch (unless red checked), and now we are even more divided than ever before and that is really crazy. Usually scum creates the diffusion, so who is guilty of that? Alexa should be with me and Porscha in towncore, yet... poisoned and scumread. Like wtf.
Here is where some consideration of the Town Sloonei worldview comes in handy.

I am town. The POE of others seems to heavily suggest I must be mafia in order for the game to make sense.

My own 3-person POE of Sabie, paopan, and Creature does not feel very solid.

Therefore I am lead to question the game state.

Sabie not shooting Paopon is a connection between the two

Alexa is town

Alexa and Paopan are not teamed

You may not be teamed with Paopon, but i sometimes think it still could be

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 2:37 pm Perhaps I am being fooled by sabie

Her not shooting Paopan last night looks bad

But then look into Sabia and Paopan also mafia is a thing.

alexa wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 2:49 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 2:47 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 2:46 pm targetting illario is not pointless FMPOV. he is playing maliciously, he is not going to achieve his "claimed wincon" when i die and idk what other powers he have so i want to kill him and i won't stop voting him until he dies.

from other people's POV, it's w/e, but you know how letting a claimed 3P live went last year.
We also need to catch the mafia team. Who are they?
idk, I just killed one of them. I'd like Paopan to die then to re-assess from there. but I won't even get a shot to live.

Please consider lynching Sloonei with me today

Red* checked

It is like town wants to lose this game

We only killed mafia cuz:

Flacon res checked Tsp
Marmot got shot by dya
Dizzy by ilario
Mac by me, alexa and sabie

We never seem to decide on an actual mafia lynch (unless red checked), and now we are even more divided than ever before and that is really crazy. Usually scum creates the diffusion, so who is guilty of that? Alexa should be with me and Porscha in towncore, yet... poisoned and scumread. Like wtf.

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 2:37 pm Perhaps I am being fooled by sabie

Her not shooting Paopan last night looks bad

Finally, some normal thinking

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 2:39 pm I don't think sabie holstering makes them look bad because there was discussion in the thread wrt holstering in the last day phase

But why didn't Sabie say that to me and Alexa last night

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 2:33 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 2:25 pm Can someone remind me who was responsible for each Day 1 vig shot?
Seanzie --> KZA
dyachei --> Marmot
??? --> Scotty
c4e5g3d5 (event prize) --> BoKnows
alexa (event prize) --> Alison

So many townies have shot other townies this game.

If Ilario poisoned Alexa, then he doesn't look so townsided to me anymore.

This is a town meltdown.

Fml

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 2:25 pm
Belzy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 2:25 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 2:23 pm
Belzy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 2:17 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 2:15 pm
Belzy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 2:13 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 2:12 pm
Paopan is firmly in my POE.
Yet you are defending Paopon today
When he is faced with arguments that I do not think are applicable, yes.
You say Paopon is in your POE but once Paopon is in danger of getting lynched, you try to convince others not to lynch him and call every reason nai. Why is he even in your POE? I reeks as a fake POE.
He is in the POE because I have no reason to town read him. That's what "POE" means in this context.

That Paopan is playing how paopan evidently always plays the game is not a conclusive reason to suspect him. It's not a reason to call him town either.

You are in a tunnel right now, Belzy.
Did you learn that last sentence from Dyslexicon? He would be the only one in this game to tell me that based on our conversation.
I have no idea what this means, but you are being immensely frustrating right now.

You said that sentence yourself, so you do know what it means.

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 2:26 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 2:24 pm ALSO ALSO we have not discussed that the setup seems to imply a lost wolf exists.
or Ilario is a liar

Yeah

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 4:09 am I just think she’s trying to shade sabie for doing something that isn’t scummy to begin with. I asked sabie to holster yesterday so it’s not unreasonable for them to holster

Like her vote today is on sabie….for not shooting pao. If pao is town there is nothing wrong with sabie holstering and if anything Sabie had a perfect opportunity to kill a town pr and take no blame for it since everyone in the chat agreed to it at night. If pao is a wolf it does look worse for sabie, but in which case alexa would be voting pao first instead of voting sabie.

If anything it does increase the dynamic slightly that pao and Alexa can be potentially w/w, but not high enough that I would wanna risk killing a self resolvable slot like a town prot

When/where/how did you ask Sabie to holster? Alexa and I talked with her literally last night about her shooting Paopan.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 2:23 pm
Belzy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 2:17 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 2:15 pm
Belzy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 2:13 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 2:12 pm
Belzy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 2:10 pm
Belzy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 2:10 pm

But they could be. Sloonei has been Paopan afterall rn rh.
Has been defending* Paopan
Paopan is firmly in my POE.
Yet you are defending Paopon today
When he is faced with arguments that I do not think are applicable, yes.
You say Paopon is in your POE but once Paopon is in danger of getting lynched, you try to convince others not to lynch him and call every reason nai. Why is he even in your POE? I reeks as a fake POE.
He is in the POE because I have no reason to town read him. That's what "POE" means in this context.

That Paopan is playing how paopan evidently always plays the game is not a conclusive reason to suspect him. It's not a reason to call him town either.

You are in a tunnel right now, Belzy.

Did you learn that last sentence from Dyslexicon? He would be the only one in this game to tell me that based on our conversation.

Creature wrote: ↑Mon Feb 07, 2022 8:59 pm [VOTE: Sloonei] aubergine

This vote was when Tsp was outed, right?

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 3:20 am U wanna know how to read alexa?

As mafia, she postures
As town, she solves and leads and Carries most of the time

This game shes just been posturing, the entire game. Calls people like 112, c4, seanzie town when it’s convenient but does nothing to save them when they’re in danger. Calls people like mac and tsp a wolf, but never meaningfully votes them or pushes them. Her strongest push on mac came yesterday when the yeet was already locked into tsp, she never pushed him when he was actually vulnerable despite calling him scum lots

Alexa could have easily convinced Sabie to together vote Paopan instead of Mac, but she decided on Mac herself and also with me.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 2:15 pm
Belzy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 2:13 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 2:12 pm
Belzy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 2:10 pm
Belzy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 2:10 pm
Belzy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 2:06 pm Sloonei is more likely mafia than Paopon, and they might not be teamed.
But they could be. Sloonei has been Paopan afterall rn rh.
Has been defending* Paopan
Paopan is firmly in my POE.
Yet you are defending Paopon today
When he is faced with arguments that I do not think are applicable, yes.

You say Paopon is in your POE but once Paopon is in danger of getting lynched, you try to convince others not to lynch him and call every reason nai. Why is he even in your POE? I reeks as a fake POE.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 2:11 pm @Belzy can you attempt to entertain a world where I am town please? Consider it a mental exercise.

I have done that.

Belzy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 2:11 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 2:10 pm
Belzy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 2:08 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 08, 2022 2:06 pm Urge to claim rising. I have mech which can confirm me as town.
You defended both Dizzy and Mac. Called them town, for one simple little reason, never voted them... you vote a lot of townie, and spared Tsp while making a weird scrunity post. You have protected literally every known mafia player.
I never defended Dizzy. Dizzy was dead before I was really involved with the game. Marmot too.

I did think Mac was town for a while. So did everyone else.

I still have mech which can confirm me as town.
Not everyone thought Mac was town.

And you did. See qfr

That qfr was about you townreading Mac based on his interaction with Dizzy, actually

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