The Syndicate

DAMN WHAT AN HONOUR

IT WAS FUN I'LL DEFFO BE BACK

GL TOWN HOPE YOU MAKE SCUM EAT THEIR OWN ASS

Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 3:48 pm
Kito wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 3:46 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 3:44 pm So last twilight I claimed that I kill all visitors, I lied. I only kill visitors with killing actions.
LOL I didn't even read last twilight and targeted you anyway
Smh, imagine if I was not lying... you'd be dead now.

Do people ever read anymore?

Not reading everything has served me fine for years thus far ¯\_ (ツ)_/¯ if you don't count pissing off several townies in the process anyway.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 3:44 pm So last twilight I claimed that I kill all visitors, I lied. I only kill visitors with killing actions.

LOL I didn't even read last twilight and targeted you anyway

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 3:42 pm
Kito wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 3:41 pm I'm betting mafia, if for whatever reason she's town it's because we have an actv/hawk scum team.

Hope you guys are ready for that one. It's only slightly worse than my sloonei case.
I wouldn't find that pairing to be a crazy one. Could be.

Only works in the event of town!owner imo, maaaaaybe 3p!owner but that kind of opens up every possibility anyway.

Has bunny mentioned allcrab? Even once? If not then the one-sided buddying looks very much unaligned to me, so likely T/T cuz fable isn't usually wrong tbh

I'm betting mafia, if for whatever reason she's town it's because we have an actv/hawk scum team.

Hope you guys are ready for that one. It's only slightly worse than my sloonei case.

Actvscenei wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 12:21 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 12:09 pm No one has claimed chat-maker, so Owner is telling the truth. Isn't that logical?
I think it’s scum-aligned, and I think it’s Gavial. And I think Gavial is making up this Hawk story to take pressure off of Owner, his scum buddy.

Highly doubt it, Gavial has been harping on about hawk since long before Owner got this level of attention. Maybe we were all POE or meta reading her scum, but we weren't talking about her vendor role or anything til way after Gavial started telling us all to vote hawk.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 3:27 am
Kito wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 3:15 am Owner wasn't caught up enough to know the belzy/tangy situation but still managed to clear up her role, the one thing that everyone really wanted to know. Could be directions from scum chat. I'm not sure what townie sees a massive wagon on them, doesn't catch up, and decides the best thing to do is immediately claim, especially when they made a point of being coy about it before.

Claim is real but NAI, waiting on sean.

Also curious whomst the fuck gifted Sloonei, in this case. Fancy targeting me tonight, mystery gifter? If you town read me, of course.
I would think the first thing Town Owner would look at would be the half dozen notifications from people telling her to claim in full.

You think? I ignore every notification and just start reading.

Gotta go work kthx see everyone ~2hrs before EOD

Also @Alison I think Act is a potential candidate for entering the thread and lolcatting. Don't strongly scum read her other than that though.

Owner wasn't caught up enough to know the belzy/tangy situation but still managed to clear up her role, the one thing that everyone really wanted to know. Could be directions from scum chat. I'm not sure what townie sees a massive wagon on them, doesn't catch up, and decides the best thing to do is immediately claim, especially when they made a point of being coy about it before.

Claim is real but NAI, waiting on sean.

Also curious whomst the fuck gifted Sloonei, in this case. Fancy targeting me tonight, mystery gifter? If you town read me, of course.

Starting to think seanzie had a point re: sonny actually. It's the kind of thing I'd come up with in his position.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 8:52 pm
Kito wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 8:50 pm I'm actually more surprised by gnome than sonny there.
I think it's a product of the game state. Enough people seem town to me that there aren't many worlds where the unknown wild card is also town. I have very little confidence in any read on Gnome.

Which is fair, she's that kind of player. After being wrong on gnome several times, I've started reading her more as someone who is more interested in having fun and improving their own play, rather than trying to win as a priority. By that metric she's towny to me right now.

That, and the other three players in your POE have hardly made an effort (if any) to discuss owner, gnome at least entertained the idea and gave her opinion.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 8:46 pm JJJ does POE right before your eyes, with a mind on a world where Owner is indeed mafia:

Is this player even worth considering right now?

Spoiler: show
Actvscenei - yes
Alison - no
Allcrab - yes
bad bunny - yes
Dana - yes
Garden Gnome - yes
Gavial - no
Guillotine - no
hawkataine - yes
Kito - yes
Long Con - yes
lost monkey - no
MacDougall - no
Made - yes
MartinGG99 - yes
Sloonei - no
Seanzie - no
Sonny - yes

Remove the "no" people.

Is this player really someone I think warrants any meaningful concern right now?

Spoiler: show
Actvscenei - yes
Allcrab - yes
bad bunny - yes
Dana - no
Garden Gnome - yes
hawkataine - yes
Kito - no
Long Con - yes
Made - yes
MartinGG99 - no
Sonny - yes

Remove the "no" people.

Gun to my head, is this person town?

Spoiler: show
Actvscenei - yes
Allcrab - yes
bad bunny - no
Garden Gnome - no
hawkataine - yes
Long Con - yes
Made - no
Sonny - no

Consider the above spoiler a proper POE pool, and if I follow through everything I end up with this group containing [most likely] three mafia: bad bunny, Garden Gnome, Made, Sonny.

I doubt I am dead on with that process. But it displays how I am getting to my groupings, and if anyone out there has a major beef with any part of that process, they should speak up. I surprise myself a bit with Sonny and will think on that one. For the purposes of a POE solve, ignore the final step. The last spoiler is sufficient.

I'm actually more surprised by gnome than sonny there.

hawkataine wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 8:38 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 8:33 pm
Kito wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 8:14 pm also Stool Pigeon is the worst title I've ever had

how much syndicate clout do I need to change that
Sorry, just be happy we cleaned it up from "Shit Bird".
honestly devastated I will never receive this accolade

yea I was gonna say

please revert this change

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 8:30 pm
Dana wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 8:29 pm
Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 2:43 pm Quick question. What is your favorite choice of sweets to give to a date between these options?

* Cheesecake
* Dick shape lollipops
* CHOCOLATES
* Cotton Candy
where did these options come from, are you a gift giver also?
No, Kito gave him dick shaped lollipops I think.

incorrect

I have no choice what I gift, but guillo did get one of those from me

In similar news I'm also a bomb

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 8:17 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 8:15 pm
Kito wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 8:14 pm also Stool Pigeon is the worst title I've ever had

how much syndicate clout do I need to change that
You'll receive a promotion at post #250.
Oh great, now Kito's going to count to 134 and add 3 pages to the game...

I'm a dog with ADHD

counting that high will never happen

so dw

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 8:15 pm
Kito wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 8:14 pm also Stool Pigeon is the worst title I've ever had

how much syndicate clout do I need to change that
You'll receive a promotion at post #250.

you mean I have to post more??

I've been countered

also Stool Pigeon is the worst title I've ever had

how much syndicate clout do I need to change that

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 8:12 pm
Kito wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 8:04 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 8:02 pm
Kito wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 7:50 pm it's amusing playing forum mafia with people you first met on video mafia

in a good way
You should come play with us again some time
I will eventually, I'm at work again so most friday nights I'm working or getting drunk to celebrate not working
What about a Sunday night

uhhhh usually work those too, so unlikely unless we start after 00:00 GMT

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 8:05 pm
Kito wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 8:03 pm Somebody asked about sonny and despite playing more games with him than anyone else in this thread, he's an impossible read for me

that said I'm feeling a lack of oomph for d2!sonny, hopefully we get more soon
Yes he's been a bit of a floater today -- not lacking in presence, but subdued.

He hasn't randed scum in forever, but always likes to tell us how reserved and unsure he would be if it happened. So there's potential.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 8:02 pm
Kito wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 7:50 pm it's amusing playing forum mafia with people you first met on video mafia

in a good way
You should come play with us again some time

I will eventually, I'm at work again so most friday nights I'm working or getting drunk to celebrate not working

Somebody asked about sonny and despite playing more games with him than anyone else in this thread, he's an impossible read for me

that said I'm feeling a lack of oomph for d2!sonny, hopefully we get more soon

Alison wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 7:49 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 7:46 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 7:41 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 4:30 am Not claim fruit vendor.

Mac, I get it. Your'e town and all, but I am in god mode right now. Just trust me.
I see you are repping a rolecop on Owner.
If he is should probably claim that

Tho I guess he probably doesn't have to atp
Seanzie is pretty blatantly claiming that he knows for a fact Owner is lying about the fruit vendor stuff.

The exact way he knows it - rolecop, he's a fruit vendor himself, some kind of advanced tracker ability that knows she wasn't roleblocked - isn't as important and disclosing the specifics probably helps mafia.

But essentially Seanzie has a red check.

BIG IF TRUE

I LIKE IT

it's amusing playing forum mafia with people you first met on video mafia

in a good way

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 7:43 pm
Kito wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 7:40 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 7:27 pm Y'all mentally jumping through hoops here.

Owner is just lying. Even without any extra info, it is clear as day. If she truly was a gift giver, she would have just claimed who she gave a gift to. You don't keep that a secret. Plus, she is outed scum. I don't know how many times I need to say it before this becomes clear.

Very likely scum has a giftgiver at this point though. And I kind of doubt it is Kito.
Did you read nanook's mech post to me? I would've agreed with you an hour ago but now you look wilfully ignorant.

Though I'm still kinda down for owner being scum regardless.
Yes I did read it, and it doesn't change anything. I promise.

big motherfucking sigh

Seanzie wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 7:27 pm Y'all mentally jumping through hoops here.

Owner is just lying. Even without any extra info, it is clear as day. If she truly was a gift giver, she would have just claimed who she gave a gift to. You don't keep that a secret. Plus, she is outed scum. I don't know how many times I need to say it before this becomes clear.

Very likely scum has a giftgiver at this point though. And I kind of doubt it is Kito.

Did you read nanook's mech post to me? I would've agreed with you an hour ago but now you look wilfully ignorant.

Though I'm still kinda down for owner being scum regardless.

aight well i'm still curious if she's specifically a fruit vendor or our roles are identical, but not much else to be said about it

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 7:01 pm
Kito wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:55 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:53 pm That theory does not hold together for mech reasons too
then please tell me why because I don't understand mech like at all
Sloon says "owner gave me something"
Next night what happens? Nobody gets anything from owner
Owner dies
Sloon is outed

Sloon says "owner gave me something"
Next night what happens? Another mafia says they got something from her
Eventually either the pattern that owner only gives stuff to mafia emerges, owner dies, everyone alive that claimed something from her is outed. Or she catches a vig shot or is otherwise killed, everyone alive claiming something from her is outed

Either way

Theres no way its a fake claim if owner and sloon are both mafia

And it's a fucking weird fake claim to make to begin with since there are receipts

So owner is almost certainly actually a fruit vendor, regardless of alignment

ok thanks. didn't really think of that

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 7:00 pm
Kito wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:59 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:57 pm
Kito wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:52 pm alright you're all going to hate me but yolo

I say it's possible Owner is fake claiming, and her buddy Sloonei had to claim he received something which she can later confirm, because after I claimed it made her claim disprovable if no one else steps up. This would also make alison/made/martin all town

obviously I will let this go if any of those three step up, but yeah. I did say I just vomit crack theories, they're correct occasionally
Yeah no. I'm cruising right now. I have zero reason, if owner is my partner, to suddenly step in in her defense. I am explicitly claiming that I do not believe Owner gave me anything. The suggestion that there is a third gift-giver originated with me and my claim. This is frankly an absurd suggestion.
Zero reason? She fuckin dyin right now bro

Anyway I don't think it's that absurd but waiting on nanook's response
Yeah and I'm a consensus town read who has been contributing pressure to her all day. Why did I pick this exact moment to decide to make some convoluted push to... not actually defend her because MY CLAIM IS THAT I DO NOT THINK OWNER HAS ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE ITEM I RECEIVED, KITO!

wow jesus you're pretty pressed about an apparently absurd suggestion

it's not like anybody believes me yet

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:57 pm
Kito wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:52 pm alright you're all going to hate me but yolo

I say it's possible Owner is fake claiming, and her buddy Sloonei had to claim he received something which she can later confirm, because after I claimed it made her claim disprovable if no one else steps up. This would also make alison/made/martin all town

obviously I will let this go if any of those three step up, but yeah. I did say I just vomit crack theories, they're correct occasionally
Yeah no. I'm cruising right now. I have zero reason, if owner is my partner, to suddenly step in in her defense. I am explicitly claiming that I do not believe Owner gave me anything. The suggestion that there is a third gift-giver originated with me and my claim. This is frankly an absurd suggestion.

Zero reason? She fuckin dyin right now bro

Anyway I don't think it's that absurd but waiting on nanook's response

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:53 pm That theory does not hold together for mech reasons too

then please tell me why because I don't understand mech like at all

alright you're all going to hate me but yolo

I say it's possible Owner is fake claiming, and her buddy Sloonei had to claim he received something which she can later confirm, because after I claimed it made her claim disprovable if no one else steps up. This would also make alison/made/martin all town

obviously I will let this go if any of those three step up, but yeah. I did say I just vomit crack theories, they're correct occasionally

Actvscenei wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:44 pm
Kito wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:42 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:39 pm
Kito wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:36 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:20 pm I received [an item] last night. So I would speculate that we have an abundance of gift-giving roles. I do not think I would have been Owner's target. She was more suspicious of me than not on Day 1.
Why didn't you say anything before?
There was no reason to.
And there is now?

Cancel my town read on you, this timing is pretty atrocious
I also don’t understand why now....but what’s the scum motive to wait until now?

Shh I've got another stupid theory brewing, let it sit quiet while I figure out whether it means anything

Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:40 pm Im guessing today's yeet could be between OWNER and Kito to find out.

I mean sure, though half my reason for scum reading owner is gone (I assumed she fake claimed, though she still could be).

Flipping one vendor doesn't prove or disprove the other, if Owner's NA can be verified then we just go back to reading her regardless of roles/claims

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:39 pm
Kito wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:36 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:20 pm I received [an item] last night. So I would speculate that we have an abundance of gift-giving roles. I do not think I would have been Owner's target. She was more suspicious of me than not on Day 1.
Why didn't you say anything before?
There was no reason to.

And there is now?

Cancel my town read on you, this timing is pretty atrocious

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:20 pm I received [an item] last night. So I would speculate that we have an abundance of gift-giving roles. I do not think I would have been Owner's target. She was more suspicious of me than not on Day 1.

Why didn't you say anything before?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:25 pm What if there are three and they're all town how funny would that be

I wouldn't even care tbh, imagine being mafia and being forced to kill the most useless PRs because they're all outed townies

Also @Guillotine I'm gonna guess you received dick shaped lollipops

because dizzy is a mod and that's the exact type of harmless joke he'd pull at my expense

Yeah I suppose given the game flavour, several gift giving roles would make sense. But if Owner is telling the truth then our roles slightly differ, cuz she specified sending a fruit.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:16 pm
Kito wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:15 pm Is now a good time to reveal I'm a fruit vendor too and targeted guillo?

Officially I'm a gift giver, but same function. I don't get to choose what I send.

This is why I asked if roles can double up, cuz I've never seen double fruit vendor.
What did you send me in those options?

I asked to send you a kitsune (username hint). Got told you'd receive a lovely gift. Took that to mean I get no choice.

Is now a good time to reveal I'm a fruit vendor too and targeted guillo?

Officially I'm a gift giver, but same function. I don't get to choose what I send.

This is why I asked if roles can double up, cuz I've never seen double fruit vendor.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 4:50 pm If Garden Gnome is supposed to be an enigma wrapped inside a pancake, is it typical of her to ask pointed game-relevant questions like these?

She asks these questions all the time but doesn't always do something with the answers. The hard part is that it's NAI whether she does or not, lol.

Kito wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 2:43 pm Tbh I'm agreeing with Allcrab that bunny probably doesn't care this little as scum. Last time I saw her play scum she was pretty involved and solvy, until we mechanically miscleared her, then she dropped off the radar significantly. She's far from clear here and she evidently doesn't care about changing that

@MacDougall

She looks bad but it doesn't line up with what I expect of her scum play.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 3:45 pm
Kito wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 3:43 pm
hawkataine wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 3:39 pm
Kito wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 3:37 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 3:29 pm You know in England they’re called red cheques.
@hawkataine we're under attack even on another site smh
you're right this is even more egregious than being a leading wagon
hork and ki'o do NOT appreciate this mockery

better include some content before I get yelled at. hawk is town I believe

It wasn't TMI when I refused to vote or consider her before. Why now?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 3:46 pm I lived in England for 3.5 years and didn't hear a single instance of the word "bollocks" until the third year. I was displeased.

I should stream myself gaming. You'd hear it 3x per minute.

hawkataine wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 3:39 pm
Kito wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 3:37 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 3:29 pm You know in England they’re called red cheques.
@hawkataine we're under attack even on another site smh
you're right this is even more egregious than being a leading wagon

hork and ki'o do NOT appreciate this mockery

better include some content before I get yelled at. hawk is town I believe

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 3:29 pm You know in England they’re called red cheques.

@hawkataine we're under attack even on another site smh

hawkataine wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 2:49 pm Can I just double check that day doesn't end in like 2 hours and it's actually more like 26
Kito's talking like it's twilight xD

it doesn't? oh

@Owner of a Lonely Heart requesting you gift fruit to me tonight, if you're not lynched today anyway. Also please nobody block either of us.

Or just vig her if we're that confident, depending on the flip.

Tbh I'm agreeing with Allcrab that bunny probably doesn't care this little as scum. Last time I saw her play scum she was pretty involved and solvy, until we mechanically miscleared her, then she dropped off the radar significantly. She's far from clear here and she evidently doesn't care about changing that

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