The Syndicate

Dana wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 7:32 am

bad bunny wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 7:30 am ....oh
which page is that

https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 93#p797793

Alison wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 7:32 am

bad bunny wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 6:30 am

Kito wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:52 pm alright you're all going to hate me but yolo

I say it's possible Owner is fake claiming, and her buddy Sloonei had to claim he received something which she can later confirm, because after I claimed it made her claim disprovable if no one else steps up. This would also make alison/made/martin all town

obviously I will let this go if any of those three step up, but yeah. I did say I just vomit crack theories, they're correct occasionally

This is a plausible theory

My bad, I quoted the wrong post in my initial "I'm an anti fan of these posts".

This is the one I meant to quote. I don't think this theory makes sense, and you lending credence to it is uninspiring.

Alison wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 7:29 am

bad bunny wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 7:09 am Its the easiest thing in the world for you to say you don't like my posts, it gives none of you any town credibility whatsoever.

I have town credibility because I buried nutella, was subsequently poisoned, and then proceeded to do the most solving out of anyone in the game. The red checked person was my second strongest scumread behind nutella.

I don't like your posts because one is an attempt to frame Sloonei who I think is pretty likely to be town and the other is using sarcasm to deflect a specific accusation I made towards you without explaining how you do not fit that category.

Dana wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 7:27 am

bad bunny wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 7:25 am Also here's where im at for the percy people, from towny to most scummy:

Seanzie
Actv
Hawk
Allcrab
Guillo
-----
Gnome
Sonny
Kito
---
Belzy
Lomo
Owner


Something like that theyre just GTH guesses mostly

well uh.. belzy has since flipped town just to let you know in case you haven't gotten that far

Alison wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 7:03 am

bad bunny wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 6:28 am

Kito wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:15 pm Is now a good time to reveal I'm a fruit vendor too and targeted guillo?

Officially I'm a gift giver, but same function. I don't get to choose what I send.

This is why I asked if roles can double up, cuz I've never seen double fruit vendor.

Oooooohhh

Wtf is the point in fruit vendors? Is it wise to think that one vendor is town and the other is mafia?

bad bunny wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 6:50 am

Alison wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 11:10 pm So the question to ask is who looks like they came back from a session of scum-chat seething, put on a fake smile and tried to act like a normal person in thread.

Probably bunny.

LMAO yeah totally

Big anti fan of these posts.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 5:26 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 5:18 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 5:17 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 5:14 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 5:13 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 4:58 am

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 4:55 am Ehhhhhh

I think a significant amount of the player list tends more towards individual mafia play than the kind of organized team play you're accustomed to

what does this mean?

That the gamestate reads around owner you're making don't necessarily apply imo

yeah maybe but also maybe she's not mafia anyway because of maths and this game being a game of rng

Yeah, could be ig

Idk maybe you're right, where do you wanna go if not owner? I'll follow you for a bit

Seth seems pretty adamant he has a red check on Hawk.

Bad Bunny looks bad.

Sonny would be a death blow to the mafia if that were a hit.

I am not entirely sold on Made being a save either.

He has a block on a night with no kill in a role madness game, so...not exactly a red check

Agreed on bad bunny

Yeah, do you think sonny is a hit tho?

I'm not either but...kinda think it was? Idk, could go either way

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 12:48 am

Alison wrote: ↑Wed May 26, 2021 12:47 am So what's our plan if Seanzie comes back and goes "ok Owner's claim is legit, I rescind my red check"

kill bad bunny?

Alison wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 11:10 pm So the question to ask is who looks like they came back from a session of scum-chat seething, put on a fake smile and tried to act like a normal person in thread.

Probably bunny.

Allcrab wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 8:28 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 8:27 pm

Allcrab wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 8:26 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 8:25 pm

Allcrab wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 8:23 pm Hi so it's extremely unlikely owner did what they said they did so that's neat.

[VOTE: Owner] aubergine

Allcrab wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 8:23 pm Oh everyone realized already......

Carry on.....

Yah and you ate mot getting cred for this either.

I mean called this d1 but I don't need cred when I can hit a clear myself button whenever I want kek.

You did? Show me.

ISO me ya lazy bastard it's not that long.

Kito wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:52 pm alright you're all going to hate me but yolo

I say it's possible Owner is fake claiming, and her buddy Sloonei had to claim he received something which she can later confirm, because after I claimed it made her claim disprovable if no one else steps up. This would also make alison/made/martin all town

obviously I will let this go if any of those three step up, but yeah. I did say I just vomit crack theories, they're correct occasionally

Kito wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:15 pm Is now a good time to reveal I'm a fruit vendor too and targeted guillo?

Officially I'm a gift giver, but same function. I don't get to choose what I send.

This is why I asked if roles can double up, cuz I've never seen double fruit vendor.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 2:43 pm Quick question. What is your favorite choice of sweets to give to a date between these options?

* Cheesecake
* Dick shape lollipops
* CHOCOLATES
* Cotton Candy

hawkataine wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 2:34 pm well that wagon grew and ngl I'm having a terrible day and have a deadline for my first conference tomorrow so I'm just a ball of anxiety rn :')

if it means anything to anyone I can probably clear myself by tomorrow
but like
lol game

gonna go read now

Tangrowth wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 2:32 pm Hawk and Owner both seem like legit suspects, I'll keep digging to see if there's any preference. I still think bad bunny is... bad, lol.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 2:08 pm Anyone:

Without looking, tell me an Actvscenei read other than “Dana is mafia”.

Kito wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 11:08 am

Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 11:06 am

Allcrab wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:23 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 3:51 am By the way if there's a poison healer out there they should heal Alison.

I just saw this and realized if wolves poisoned Alison that's a pretty weird choice to poison someone on nutella's wagon, they must like not be worried about a healer at all.

It depends of what poisoner role is. If it's one shot, there is no healer as it is a one time thing and a healer would nerf it.
If it's every night, there could be two poisoners, one town and one wolf, with one town healer, meaning one poisoner holstered last night, surely the town one.

I havent seen a third party poisoner though. Do they exist?

Yea we had one on mafc once.

My bet's on lomo or sean if it's a 3p role, but I seem to remember lomo hinting at something else

Oh yeah I made a 3P poisoner in my game, but tbf the games I set up with Fable are very unusual I don't recommend it it makes things awkward at lylo

lost monkey wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 10:42 am

Sonny wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 10:41 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 10:40 am

lost monkey wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 10:39 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 10:36 am What are you guys saying about bunny's play here? She's a timid wolf?

There was no way she wouldn't have voted made if she was scum. If made is also scum with bunny and nutella, she would have still voted made because nutella being alive would have been more useful for the scum team with what was happening in the thread.

And she voted nutella?

Wait, Bunny voted Nutella?

I think she voted guillo

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 1:46 pm Trying to articulate some of my Day 1 concerns about Hawk. My initial alertness to her was prompted by this post for early-Day 1 reasons that aren't worth digging into right now. My more substantial concerns started later, after we started interacting a bit more. But I don't know hawk, so I can't be too confident that this particular line of suspicion carries much weight.

In general, I felt like Hawk's posts were lacking in a clear direction. There were reads and thoughts which were expressed well enough, but they seemed a little bit rough and uneven, if that makes sense. Like she was jumping from one idea to the next without a clear progression from one thing to another. A few examples:

Spoiler: show

hawkataine wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 7:01 am Okay let's try for some reads then

Guillo: can't tell if it's the game size that's drowning him out but sensing far less thread presence than that one time he was town on PerC and dominated the thread (not in post count just in, like, weight of opinion xD). Would appreciate some syndicate weigh-ins on this point because maybe it's just a more active site and he was like this in spiderverse or whatever?

Alison: seems to be calling confident reads very early and I can't tell how serious it is and it's very strange (this is a null read I'm just confused)

Sonny: frustration at not being able to use the forum seems like he does want to solve and is a little overwhelmed

Belzy: quite liked her Alison read in her entrance in 864 - less on a mindmeld basis but more on a 'seems like what town!Belzy would think' basis. Very gamefaced and little fluff but I don't remember what that means in Belzy terms whoops. Also liked her follow-up and stuff.

LoMo: fairly happy with his play so far, provided he keeps it up

hawk "tries for some reads" and pulls out five players that do not strike me as the five most obvious candidates to be receiving reads in such an exclusive list as this. 4 of the 5 are MafCafe residents, so I will grant that familiarity is likely to be a factor here. But this post almost feels arbitrary, as if Hawk was conscious of a need to provide evidence of reads being formed and so she just burped up this list of five unrelated names. But maybe this is just a product of hawk's solving process.

Spoiler: show

hawkataine wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 12:33 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 12:29 pm

hawkataine wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 12:26 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 12:13 pm At this point I could see myself voting for hawk, alison, mac, and maybe guillotine.

that sure is a list
you planning to interact with me or nah?

Do you object or agree with any of the non-you names in my player salad?

I've been going back and forth on mac, by which I mean I liked one post that happened before I'd read enough to get a grasp on the roster and then forgot what it was, and then everyone talked about how confusing he was to read for a bit and I lost confidence
Do you think you can read him well?

Alison I have as slight town tbh because it just really seems like she believes what she's saying and the daykill claim is a very strange D1 scum play imo

guillo is probably reasonable to have there even if I disagree, I haven't really decided if I'm concerned by him or not yet. Have you played with him on syndicate before?

hawkataine wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 12:48 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 12:39 pm

hawkataine wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 12:33 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 12:29 pm

hawkataine wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 12:26 pm

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat May 22, 2021 12:13 pm At this point I could see myself voting for hawk, alison, mac, and maybe guillotine.

that sure is a list
you planning to interact with me or nah?

Do you object or agree with any of the non-you names in my player salad?

I've been going back and forth on mac, by which I mean I liked one post that happened before I'd read enough to get a grasp on the roster and then forgot what it was, and then everyone talked about how confusing he was to read for a bit and I lost confidence
Do you think you can read him well?

Alison I have as slight town tbh because it just really seems like she believes what she's saying and the daykill claim is a very strange D1 scum play imo

guillo is probably reasonable to have there even if I disagree, I haven't really decided if I'm concerned by him or not yet. Have you played with him on syndicate before?

I have played with mac for about 10 years now, but he’s not a player I read exceptionally well. I think I can get a feel for him once the game has progressed some. Here, I have felt like he was knocked off balance right out of the gate and is having a hard time getting back on track. Some of his recent posts have looked like they were made by an alien in a Mac suit.

Your initial response to my reads suggested that you took issue with the list itself, but that does not seem to be the case from this response. What is your objection to my reads, if you have one?

Interesting r.e. mac, ty

By "that sure is a list" I was kinda just commenting on the naked list-ness of it because I haven't really noticed much explanation or build-up to it (especially not r.e. me lol) from you and I do loosely have a town read on alison at least
I haven't been taking your vote on me particularly seriously because I assumed you were reaction fishing or something, given you asked people to ask about it and then when sonny asked about it you were like nah trade secrets m8
So I guess I find it just a bit of a strange/inconsequential list given all the above
I was mainly just saying something to make you actually talk to me lol

This exchange came after I'd prodded hawk with a vote and vague suspicion. Quick point independent from the rest of my argument in this post: the way Hawk handles Guillo in her response to me and her reads list in the first post I cited are compatible with a hypothetical wolf trying to leave the door open on a potential mischop candidate.

But on my larger point, Hawk's initial response to my Player Salad was suggestive of skepticism or dissatisfaction with my treatment of her to that point (a little bit of snark directed at my list of names, and a verbal eyeroll about my lack of engagement). I would expect a player with these feelings to want to take her turn interrogating me a little bit. Hawk has shown us in posts like this and this that she's not afraid to pursue answers her own answers to her own questions. But when I initiated an interaction, Hawk's response was the bare minimum, only answering exactly what I asked of her and not seeking to interject her own influence into the conversation. She gave me a couple generic prompts about the players I had expressed reads on, but I read that as a somewhat lethargic continuation of the prompt I had offered, and not her own thing.

The second response again feels like Hawk is doing nothing more than answering my questions exactly as they were asked with no additional progression. I particularly do not love her comments about her responses to my pressure. "I haven't been taking your vote on me particularly seriously" does not fully align with her apparent displeasure with my vote at the beginning of this exchange. She seemed bothered by it then. That doesn't mean she was necessarily "taking it seriously", but it reads as at least a little disingenuous for her to suggest here that the vote meant little or nothing to her, when she had previously made comments which suggested otherwise.

"I was mainly just saying something to make you actually talk to me lol" gets at the heart of my issue here: Hawk's words suggest she's looking for a meaningful exchange with me, which suggests that she's hoping to develop some sort of a read on me in this moment. And yet the direction of her posts suggests she is making no effort to read me. I did not feel like hawk was developing any ideas about me. I simply felt like she was checking off boxes in response to my questions.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 10:31 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 10:25 am Was the Allcrab TMI thing cleared up somehow?

I don’t believe so apart from Allcrab calling it dumb.

I don’t think it has to be TMI, but I do want to hear more about the read. It’s the only resistance to bunny suspicion in the game to my memory.

Gavial wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 9:37 am

bad bunny wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 7:42 am me when i get yeeted this game

@bad bunny
Yo if you don’t wanna get yeeted just vote scum and you know, vote my practical red check Hawk!

Allcrab wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 6:36 am

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 2:42 am

@Allcrab

Spoiler: show

Also, why are you in some peoples' POE? I'm asking for a friend.

When am I not?

Tbf the only one really saying it multiple times I think is Mac and that's just Mac doing Mac things so I don't know that I care that much. Better question why did you not self-pres onto nutella and try to do it onto made instead?

Alison wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 4:34 pm Also I have a red check on Tangrowth.

[VOTE: Tangrowth] aubergine

Sonny wrote: ↑Tue May 25, 2021 7:17 am Oh hey, Bunny.

Can you give your read on Owner?

Alison wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 4:33 pm Seanzie is probably derpcleared for pushing me after I was poisoned. And not realizing that I buried nutella in general.

Allcrab wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 4:32 pm

Tangrowth wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 4:29 pm

Allcrab wrote: ↑Mon May 24, 2021 4:26 pm I generally find it weird when the possibility of ultra low volume wolf busses active wolf comes up but nutella seemed like they got railroaded so early maybe that thought is valid.

It's a good question, you'd think if Made and/or Owner were also scum, they'd prefer one of them to go than nutella from a thread presence perspective.

I think so yeah but I'm not taking roles into account which I actually should be in a game like this, it has big mash energy.

hawkataine wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 3:17 pm Okay scratch that this thread is growing faster than I can read it so I will read from both ends xD I got this far with my notes

- Fable's entrance seems pretty good around 1805
- Wisty's talking around nutella seems bad if nutella flips town
- Guillo's reads in 1819 look pretty unobjectionable (except Belzy) but tbf his town pile is smaller than lots of other peoples'
- Speaking of which I would like to hear more from Belzy and I hope she's not just skating by on the town cred she got early on
- And Act?? Oh wait she's back nvm

Allcrab wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 12:10 pm

bad bunny wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 12:06 pm

Allcrab wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 12:05 pm Also finished the ISO not super whelmed by lomo the arguments with nutella (I haven't read nutella yet but I don't super like what I've read from them either which makes this weird) were kinda weak and the rest doesn't give me a strong impression. I will say lomo winds up in people's sights very often they're not wrong when they say that so not too interested in hitting the throttle on them but they remain PoE for me.

what do u think of alison and tang?

idk like straight up no way I get through everyone today I did lomo cuz con asked and I'll do the top 3 most suspected people and see where I fall and go from there.

Allcrab wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 12:05 pm Also finished the ISO not super whelmed by lomo the arguments with nutella (I haven't read nutella yet but I don't super like what I've read from them either which makes this weird) were kinda weak and the rest doesn't give me a strong impression. I will say lomo winds up in people's sights very often they're not wrong when they say that so not too interested in hitting the throttle on them but they remain PoE for me.

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 11:55 am

bad bunny wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 11:54 am

Allcrab wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 11:49 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 11:47 am

Allcrab wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 11:44 am Bunny and Hawk are village this my village circle so far and I am naming it the animal kingdom in my readslist.

Null = vegetable and scum = mineral?

I like it let's do plants null and fungi as the bottom tier.

ducks are bottom tier

[VOTE: bad bunny] aubergine

Allcrab wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 11:49 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 11:47 am

Allcrab wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 11:44 am Bunny and Hawk are village this my village circle so far and I am naming it the animal kingdom in my readslist.

Null = vegetable and scum = mineral?

I like it let's do plants null and fungi as the bottom tier.

Made wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 11:35 am

bad bunny wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 11:30 am

Made wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 11:29 am

Made wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 11:28 am

bad bunny wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 10:50 am how can allcrab and made be in your PoE the first hasnt posted yet and made has not made a post that makes any sense yet, as far as i know

Made ears perk to the mention of his name. An astute observations but an odd conclusion. If made hasn’t made sense, then why wouldn’t he be POE? Made ponders this deeply hoping bad bunny will read his mind.

Realizing that is unlikely....

made wrote: you think I shouldn’t be in POE because I’m unintelligible??

And that’s when it happen, if by fate, made was infected by overwhelming blue emotions

im blue ba do dee da do di

Bunny taunted made. With feelings of overwhelming shame and grief repeats his question

But like actually tho, why is my gimmick a good thing?

Allcrab wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 11:18 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 11:26 am

Allcrab wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 11:22 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 11:21 am

Allcrab wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 11:20 am Hey a logical fallacy the second I show up.

I don't miss this game as much as I thought I did...

What fallacy?

Post count doesn't really have anything to do with alignment, I've certainly been in enough games with high activity wolf teams to make me think it's silly to think that it does.

That's not a "logical fallacy". That's an Allcrab anecdote.

There's a clear relationship between the two that can be and has been statistically evidenced on at least two Mafia-dedicated websites (this one and Mafia Universe). It's not a law that highly active player = town player, but it's a general trend. There may well be a high activity mafioso or three in this game -- the current lead wagon would be an example if it proves true.

A reads list with nothing but the game's most active hunters and highest post count player as mafia reads is a bizarre reads list.

Made wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 11:29 am

Made wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 11:28 am

bad bunny wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 10:50 am how can allcrab and made be in your PoE the first hasnt posted yet and made has not made a post that makes any sense yet, as far as i know

Made ears perk to the mention of his name. An astute observations but an odd conclusion. If made hasn’t made sense, then why wouldn’t he be POE? Made ponders this deeply hoping bad bunny will read his mind.

Realizing that is unlikely....

made wrote: you think I shouldn’t be in POE because I’m unintelligible??

And that’s when it happen, if by fate, made was infected by overwhelming blue emotions

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 10:56 am If folks don't want to be glow-trolled, simply insert [/glow] into the end of a bad bunny quote you are responding to.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 10:54 am

bad bunny wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 10:49 am

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 10:23 am

bad bunny wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 10:20 am I just explained Jay and Alison. Tang is a similar case to jay where they look like theyre trying to be proactive and towny by asking questions and being kinda fluffy but that seems to be all theyre doing. I just think there's a good chance they randed wolf and are trying to deep wolf.

I have been one of the least "fluffy" players in this game thread.

ok yes but youre doing the other things

An you please stop posting with tne glow effect?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 10:28 am bad bunny rejoining the game after 10 years and deciding the game's two most active hunters and its most active overall player are her three mafia reads is so bad I have to wonder if it can even be bullshit. Is this a player known for contrarianism (or undue paranoia of effortful hunters), PerC people?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 10:23 am

bad bunny wrote: ↑Sun May 23, 2021 10:20 am I just explained Jay and Alison. Tang is a similar case to jay where they look like theyre trying to be proactive and towny by asking questions and being kinda fluffy but that seems to be all theyre doing. I just think there's a good chance they randed wolf and are trying to deep wolf.

I have been one of the least "fluffy" players in this game thread.