The Syndicate

So you think shes not 3P at all just mafia?

[VOTE: martin] aubergine

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 2:30 pm
bad bunny wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 2:30 pm
Actvscenei wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 2:28 pm
bad bunny wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 2:26 pm ok can we not kill actv pretty please
Why on earth would you want me not to die?
a survivor is not a thread to town
you could be lying about your role, or even alignment. but meh, i dont think youre mafia aligned
Why not?

Who is mafia aligned?

i dont know?

martin, made, JJJ?

martin because his posts have been underwhelming and 2x 1 shot healer is weird. its also convenient to say he targeted Alison if the claim is fake.

omg i cant type today

im probably tired from being out in the sun all day >.>

I don't think a perC person would poison who they did, therefore i think its unlikely that its actv

if theres more certaining she is tho im voting in a heartbeat ;p

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 2:29 pm
bad bunny wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 2:28 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 2:27 pm
bad bunny wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 2:26 pm ok can we not kill actv pretty please
Why not?
i dont think the poisoner is from perC
we are not voting act on suspicion of being from perc.

But what makes you say this?

youre voting out of suspicion of them being a poisoner right

Actvscenei wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 2:28 pm
bad bunny wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 2:26 pm ok can we not kill actv pretty please
Why on earth would you want me not to die?

a survivor is not a thread to town
you could be lying about your role, or even alignment. but meh, i dont think youre mafia aligned

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 2:27 pm
bad bunny wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 2:26 pm ok can we not kill actv pretty please
Why not?

i dont think the poisoner is from perC

Actvscenei wrote: ↑Tue Jun 01, 2021 2:27 pm @JaggedJimmyJay, you mentioned that I should have claimed D1. Can you explain this more? I didn’t claim because to me a 3p claim is an automatic yeet. But I also hesitated claiming at any other point because of the warning in the rules that claiming should happen at your own risk.

thats nonsense claiming 3p survivor d1

ok can we not kill actv pretty please

[VOTE: actv] aubergine

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 9:05 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 8:40 pm My preference is still to shoot @orangecrush. What is the argument for guillotine?
No. Shoot me. Cause that will give me the thread clout that i need to bury Seanzie once and for all.

This is the thing. Seanzie has scumtold on numerous occasions and he is trying to take advantage to push a “lynch all liars” agenda yo get me yeeted, why? Because he is trying to bait the other mason out. Similar to what Mac tried to do.
Check this out, as soon as i claimed Mason he said something about my mason partner not being Mason but a scum teammate.

If he manages to convince you guys to yeet me then my partner will have to claim before they deem necessary and by then Scum!Seanzie will drive the narrative that my mason partner gotta be scum because if he was the real one he would have claimed with me today, when he considered it was optimal. Tell me Seanzie if i was not right after game.

Scum is trying to bait the other mason out so they can night kill us both tonight, one with the factional and one with the poison.

@Sloonei you can shoot me but i guarantee you will die, but i promise we'll win this because we'll figure who the deep wolf and the rest of the team by associations.
Just promise me that if you dont shoot me, you will have my back cause scum would be happy for you to die shooting someone else, then yeeting me, then night killing whoever you cleared.

I also propose that if you die to your desperado, we yeet Bad Bunny, negating a mischop scum needs. Bad Bunny will die anyways to poison so if we merge both the yeet and the poison into one dead, no other player has to die. The key is negating as many town day falls as we can.

wow even as im dying of poison people want me lynched xD

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 10:13 pm I can see arguments for Martin or Allcrab shots. I trust your own judgment on those options, Sloonei. Between them I take out the crab first.

I comfortably prefer OC followed by Act over both.

its hard to see you as town

"id shoot crab not the person who is in most peoples PoE"

Allcrab wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 11:19 pm act>martin>mac>seanzie

I think this is where I'm at I think in order of how strongly I feel about it.

i can sheep this, seanzie is last anyway although id be a bit iffy about him

idk about longcon but yeah anyone from perC would know ill get lynched anyway lmao

Marmot wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 11:23 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 10:57 pm Poor orangecrush. Her friend Sonny had to bail on a blind date, and asked her to fill in his place. But when she arrived, her date had flaked completely! She was left all alone in the Citrus Tavern, sipping a pomegranate painkiller in the corner...

@orangecrush has died. She was a...

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ooh nice was that sloonei

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 8:47 am [VOTE: Jay] aubergine

Sheeping Bad Bunny's read.

this is the first time ive been sheeped in my life omg :O

oh yeah I forgot i said i might sheep Allcrab if he votes Actv

Where my reads are at before i leave:

Actvscenei - idk
Alison - slightly sus
Allcrab - probably town
bad bunny - town prosecutor
Garden Gnome - idk
Guillotine - idfk his play has been a bit anti town today
JaggedJimmyJay - wolfy
lost monkey - maybe town
MacDougall - maybe town
Made - idk, could have been a counterwagon to nutella ig
MartinGG99 - wolfy
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME - idk
orangecrush - doesnt look great but has only made a few posts
Sloonei - maybe town
Seanzie - maybe town
Tangrowth - probably town because of belzy dying when they shot

Mafia being a backup in this situation is a bit weird, because if they become a desperado then its suicide or dont shoot right? That seems weird mechanically. So would this mean Sloonei is likely town for being a backup or not?

Alison wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 8:19 am
bad bunny wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 8:18 am allcrab claiming he can watch every night is quite weird, i thought everyone was 1 shot in this game
I can confirm that my role is not 1 shot. Saying no more about it.

that makes you think youre a neighbour or something

Alison wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 8:17 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 8:02 am I think the operative here is that the claimed healers claimed to have run out of shots. There's nothing really preventing there from being unclaimed heals. Sloonei for instance could have become one. Heck maybe there's another uni back up.

If the 3p wincon is to poison a certain number of players or something there could be chunkloads of heal ability in this game.

LC was town so mafia healer obvs not gonna target him. Town healers not either cuz he was kinda POE. Hell Jay literally asked healers not to save him.

I am beginning to think that the poison mechanic might be the thing that ends up fucking the town more than the Mafia. Especially if the poisoner is a 3p and deep towncore member.
if there's a third poison healer they would I think have claimed by now to out martin

why would they claim, we'd lynch a 3P poisoner

allcrab claiming he can watch every night is quite weird, i thought everyone was 1 shot in this game

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 8:15 am
bad bunny wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 8:15 am i really have no idea what nooks alignment could be
Does it not matter that he buried Nutella?

idk if he was one of the first to push nutella then yes, if he was one of the last voters then no i dont think so ?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 8:15 am
bad bunny wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 8:12 am If theres a desparado shot shouldnt orangecrush or martin be targeted
I think the Mafia might win the trade in both cases.

as in theyre both likely town?

but it would be nice to resolve OC and martin today somehow

i really have no idea what nooks alignment could be

If theres a desparado shot shouldnt orangecrush or martin be targeted

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 8:02 am I think the operative here is that the claimed healers claimed to have run out of shots. There's nothing really preventing there from being unclaimed heals. Sloonei for instance could have become one. Heck maybe there's another uni back up.

If the 3p wincon is to poison a certain number of players or something there could be chunkloads of heal ability in this game.

LC was town so mafia healer obvs not gonna target him. Town healers not either cuz he was kinda POE. Hell Jay literally asked healers not to save him.

I am beginning to think that the poison mechanic might be the thing that ends up fucking the town more than the Mafia. Especially if the poisoner is a 3p and deep towncore member.

interesting

could also ISO the poison targets to see if we all had one person in our PoE at one point? or if the targets are totally random and there is no pattern

Alison wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 7:55 am
bad bunny wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 7:53 am well sorry but im not a tryhard at mafia

I want to flip who i scumread, quite simply. and if youve been paying attention, my votes have been on Owner(likely to get lynched), JJJ (unlikely to get votes), Martin (unlikely to get votes until now apparently). People getting a lot of heat have been people I mostly think are town (hawk, allcrab, act, longcon).
there is a difference between not being a tryhard and turning a town killing role into what is now effectively vanilla town because you were upset that nobody you suspected was in the POE.

why couldnt i use it later on in the game once my reads got clearer??

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 7:55 am Easy answer is that they started off trying to use their poison to spk, then subsequently they realised there were healers and targeted people less likely to be healed.

I am not entirely sure that the poisoner isn't mafia? They have yet to line up with a mafia nk. Their targets have been probably all town? Where is the notion that the poisoner is 3p actually coming from? It's not like the flipped mafia had powerful God roles. Maybe they just have 2kp?

yea it makes sense they didnt like the healing actually

or even something smarter which is realising the healers would spend it on alison and then they were free to poison whoever once they all got used up.

lost monkey wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 7:53 am jjj or sloonei, one of them is scum but which one?

why not both?

If the poisoner is town I dont like to play like that, just poison someone every night purely cuz you want to see their flip.

Alison wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 7:49 am
bad bunny wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 7:46 am
Alison wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 7:44 am you don't target your scumreads you target consensus POE which they will all hammer for free.
well its not easy if i am IN the consensus PoE.

Also as town I dont go with consensus really, thats what wolf!bunny would do. If you listened to Allcrab i would not have been in consensus because he also said this about my D1 vote.
it doesn't matter that's the mech optimal play.

you pick someone other than you who you think town will agree to kill for free and select them.

anything else is straight griefing, there is legitimately 0 reason to ever do otherwise.

well sorry but im not a tryhard at mafia

I want to flip who i scumread, quite simply. and if youve been paying attention, my votes have been on Owner(likely to get lynched), JJJ (unlikely to get votes), Martin (unlikely to get votes until now apparently). People getting a lot of heat have been people I mostly think are town (hawk, allcrab, act, longcon).

I don't like the idea of flipping people to narrow PoE or whatever, I want the chances of them being wolf to be high or their flip being useful for progressing the game.

Alison wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 7:44 am you don't target your scumreads you target consensus POE which they will all hammer for free.

well its not easy if i am IN the consensus PoE.

Also as town I dont go with consensus really, thats what wolf!bunny would do. If you listened to Allcrab i would not have been in consensus because he also said this about my D1 vote.

Alison wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 7:41 am
bad bunny wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 7:38 am I do think Alison getting healed twice is a bit sus

But maybe martin was just certain she was village? idfk
martin had no clue hawk was healing me

i'm saying if a wolf got poisoned, they are more likely to get healed.

Actvscenei wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 7:41 am
bad bunny wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 7:38 am I do think Alison getting healed twice is a bit sus

But maybe martin was just certain she was village? idfk
Why would healers target anyone other than the person who was poisoned?

didnt say they would, im a bit confused

Alison wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 7:40 am
bad bunny wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 7:37 am
Alison wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 7:32 am
bad bunny wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 7:31 am I can let someone get hammered and reset the VC
and you didn't use it???

it's a vig shot if used on someone in the POE, why the hell would you holster 3 nights
If I targeted Owner D2, I would have been the next lynch on D2 with how heavily I was being suspected. So it was good I holstered N1. And who else could i have used it on? Everyone else in my PoE was not likely to be lynched. It's almost like im just town and hardly anyone can read me.

Last night I had no idea who would be a wagon and did not want to waste my shot. I did not expect to be poisoned. If I have a one shot I want to make it count.

To clarify to anyone, a Prosecutor is a role that targets someone during night phase, I can choose someone at night and if they get majority of votes the following day they will flip and the vote will reset. So its just an extra lynch by hammer during the day essentially.
yes so it's a vig shot.

you don't have to "know who is a wagon", you just target some POE person (such as orangecrush, or even martin if you disbelieve the double healer claims), and claim it, and town will automatically hammer that person because it's free KP.

why tf would anyone follow up on that? no one has agreed with my scum reads. Only owner who flipped pretty quickly and easily. And orangecrush and martin only got more in PoE today afaik, and now its too late for that.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 7:38 am
bad bunny wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 7:37 am
Alison wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 7:32 am
bad bunny wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 7:31 am I can let someone get hammered and reset the VC
and you didn't use it???

it's a vig shot if used on someone in the POE, why the hell would you holster 3 nights
If I targeted Owner D2, I would have been the next lynch on D2 with how heavily I was being suspected. So it was good I holstered N1. And who else could i have used it on? Everyone else in my PoE was not likely to be lynched. It's almost like im just town and hardly anyone can read me.

Last night I had no idea who would be a wagon and did not want to waste my shot. I did not expect to be poisoned. If I have a one shot I want to make it count.

To clarify to anyone, a Prosecutor is a role that targets someone during night phase, I can choose someone at night and if they get majority of votes the following day they will flip and the vote will reset. So its just an extra lynch by hammer during the day essentially.
Target owner. Flip a mafia. Claim. Clear yourself. Dab?

eh idk, whats the rush in using it? how would i know claiming would clear me? role claiming doesnt usually say anything about alignment

I do think Alison getting healed twice is a bit sus

But maybe martin was just certain she was village? idfk

Alison wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 7:32 am
bad bunny wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 7:31 am I can let someone get hammered and reset the VC
and you didn't use it???

it's a vig shot if used on someone in the POE, why the hell would you holster 3 nights

If I targeted Owner D2, I would have been the next lynch on D2 with how heavily I was being suspected. So it was good I holstered N1. And who else could i have used it on? Everyone else in my PoE was not likely to be lynched. It's almost like im just town and hardly anyone can read me.

Last night I had no idea who would be a wagon and did not want to waste my shot. I did not expect to be poisoned. If I have a one shot I want to make it count.

To clarify to anyone, a Prosecutor is a role that targets someone during night phase, I can choose someone at night and if they get majority of votes the following day they will flip and the vote will reset. So its just an extra lynch by hammer during the day essentially.

I can let someone get hammered and reset the VC

I did not use my shot because i honestly didnt know who would get wagons today and i didnt want to waste it.

Btw I am town 1-shot prosecutor.

idk why i always get poisoned in offsite games smh

If he flips town or mafia healer, or does not, that gives more info than orangecrush who just got here and does not have a claim.

Actvscenei wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 7:29 am
bad bunny wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 7:26 am Martin and Orangecrush both have high scum equity imo but I think we should give orangecrush a chance?
Why should we give Orange a chance?

she just got here, martin has more content to analyse and more info if he flips. Spew and all that.

Actvscenei wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 7:28 am
bad bunny wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 7:27 am
Actvscenei wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 7:26 am
bad bunny wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 7:24 am town definitely have a poisoner and mafia probably do too?

3 people have claimed healer right
I believe only Martin and Hawk. Hawk flipped.
did hawk heal alison?
According to their claims, they both targeted Alison for the heal. So far Hawk is the only confirmed healer so we can speculate that Hawk healed Alison.

FFS -_-

idk i just want to help lynch a wolf before I flip and have the crab survive.

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