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Oh well that answers that thanks Jay.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 11:29 pm It occurs to me that from a wagons perspective, Sonny being mafia might be a tiny tick back in the teammate direction for Made. It depends on when Sonny was around late in Day 1, but he now represents an official nutella voter and not-Made voter who flipped mafia. If Made was a save, they didn't ALL go for it.
Honestly same and I could be wrong on them but there are a couple of instances in this game where I feel like gnome would have to be playing dumb and be purposefully deceitful in order to be a wolf and I feel like they generally don't go out of their way to plant logic traps and do misdirection as a wolf and rather tend to just brute force cases on village and hope to come off as earnest. That's just what I think anyway maybe I'm wrong and they've evolved.Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 11:26 pmThank you for the vote of confidence? Why do you townread me though? Why do you townread Garden Gnome? Im specially interested about GG because I genuinely cannot read her, ever. I always just let her be and hope someone else can clear her for me.
I heard owner claim fruit vendor and that was enough for me to not look into it further that's one of her favorite roles so ofc she fakeclaimed that lol.Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 10:47 pmSo just to be sure, you strongly scumread Owner, but didn't bother to carefully read her posts about a particular event before claiming partial mech info on her and that particular event?Allcrab wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 10:41 pmNope like I said I glazed over it and everyone was talking about JJJ and fruit so I inferred that's who Owner said they targeted.
I can't really reasonably refute the idea that Allcrab is just being lazy!town here, but like... wtf?
Nope like I said I glazed over it and everyone was talking about JJJ and fruit so I inferred that's who Owner said they targeted.
She did tho.Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 10:32 pmSeriously though? Is this your only defense? Because literally, when you made the original post about Owner not doing what she said she did, she had not said she had targeted JJJ.Allcrab wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 10:31 pmoh correction then you're misrepping.Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 10:29 pmIt would be me misrepping if anything, but NO.
She had not claimed to target JJJ by then. All she claimed was that she was a fruit vendor, and that she had given a fruit to someone. Timestamps my crab, timestamps.
meh.
oh correction then you're misrepping.Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 10:29 pmIt would be me misrepping if anything, but NO.
She had not claimed to target JJJ by then. All she claimed was that she was a fruit vendor, and that she had given a fruit to someone. Timestamps my crab, timestamps.
That's just sloonei misrepping the situation owner had claimed to target JJJ by then.
I'm male but I really don't care about pronouns, you're fine lol.Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 6:39 pm IfAll rad is a woman, i apologize in advance for not getting the pronouns right. Its hard to remember, i have to play with a player several times to remember
???Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 2:01 amWhy what? Why didn't I read all of D1? I was travelling during D1, so I missed it. D2 I tried to read as much as I could, got to page 30 or something (while also trying to keep up with D2), and then when Owner got into the thread, my attention was elsewhere.Allcrab wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 1:53 amWhy?Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 1:49 amOkay, so you want townpoints. I didn't read all of D1, so I'm not going to argue with you here. I'll go and take a look later when I have time though.Allcrab wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 1:45 amI think you're being massively disingenuous I did push owner repeatedly and owner had just as many votes as nutella did when I left the thread d1 and then made got rolled on after so saying I pushed owner when she wasn't in danger is just wrong.Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 1:41 amPutting a vote down and being essentially non-present in thread otherwise is not the same thing as going above-and-beyond to make sure that person get lunched. Did you even read D2? That massive wagon on Owner didn't appear out of nowhere. Right as soon as Owner came into the thread, I pushed her. Once I had enough, I made sure everyone was fully aware of the situation. Others really wanted a Hawk wagon. I wanted Owner in the ground.Allcrab wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 1:33 amI don't understand what there is to talk out, I will say seanzie is being a massive hypocrite for suggesting they get credit for owner when both me and bunny were on owner way before just about anyone and they have us in their PoE despite that so that doesn't change my read much.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 1:27 am
I think you and @Allcrab need to talk this out. It'll help develop reads on both of you.
If you were voting Owner before me, great. I didn't know that, props to you. If you want to say that you voting Owner early on before Owner was in danger is the same thing as me pushing the thread to make sure Owner is definitely lunched, well sorry.
Either way, I honestly am probably the towniest I've ever been in this game because of how excited I got about catching Owner. From what I can tell you have zero actual thoughts about me though (I mean I'm sure you do, but you haven't vocalized them). I've given a ton of content. What are your thoughts?
Back to kind of the question at hand though. Where is your read on me at? Even if you feel like you deserve townpoints, that doesn't mean I don't. Thoughts?
Are there any reasons besides owner? because owner was more or less a foregone conclusion on d2 at least it seemed that way to me.
Dude, I've been a shining beacon of towniness. I've worked my ass off to solve this game, and I'm just in general feeling good about it. Since you trust that Bunny is town, she has seen it. If you don't see it, I'm not going to sit here and argue with you.
This interaction is one-sided. You don't seem to have any thoughts on me at all (you've dodged this question what? four times now?). I don't care if you townread me or not, I've asked you YOUR thoughts on me so I can get a read on you, but you aren't participating. End of conversation until you do your half.
I feel kinda decent about both made and gnome being village so this is a bit problematic.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 1:48 amThe reason I ask this question is this:JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 12:58 am Act, Gnome, Made, and OC seem to form my premier suspect tier. Allcrab, bad bunny, lost monkey, and MartinGG99 would have to round out whoever's missing. This doesn't take any third party into consideration.
Are at least three mafia not contained above? I ask whoever cares to ponder.
Allcrab, lost monkey, and Martin all look town to me at face value. If I give Allcrab the nod, then I am generally inclined to do the same bad bunny given Allcrab's view.
If all of the above is correct, I need three mafia within [Act, Gnome, Made, and OC] or something has to be incorrect. It could be that three mafia are in that set if we're very fortuitous. These reads aren't without controversy though, especially if your name is Nanook.
Why?Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 1:49 amOkay, so you want townpoints. I didn't read all of D1, so I'm not going to argue with you here. I'll go and take a look later when I have time though.Allcrab wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 1:45 amI think you're being massively disingenuous I did push owner repeatedly and owner had just as many votes as nutella did when I left the thread d1 and then made got rolled on after so saying I pushed owner when she wasn't in danger is just wrong.Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 1:41 amPutting a vote down and being essentially non-present in thread otherwise is not the same thing as going above-and-beyond to make sure that person get lunched. Did you even read D2? That massive wagon on Owner didn't appear out of nowhere. Right as soon as Owner came into the thread, I pushed her. Once I had enough, I made sure everyone was fully aware of the situation. Others really wanted a Hawk wagon. I wanted Owner in the ground.Allcrab wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 1:33 amI don't understand what there is to talk out, I will say seanzie is being a massive hypocrite for suggesting they get credit for owner when both me and bunny were on owner way before just about anyone and they have us in their PoE despite that so that doesn't change my read much.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 1:27 amI think you and @Allcrab need to talk this out. It'll help develop reads on both of you.Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 1:23 am What's there to have a go at? I asked Allcrab earlier about his read on me and he ignored me. Right now he seems to just not want to give me credit for things I've done. If he doesn't want to believe the wolfpelt I have thrown over my shoulder, or my general vibe in thread, he's either a wolf or town that isn't going to find me no matter what I do.
If you were voting Owner before me, great. I didn't know that, props to you. If you want to say that you voting Owner early on before Owner was in danger is the same thing as me pushing the thread to make sure Owner is definitely lunched, well sorry.
Either way, I honestly am probably the towniest I've ever been in this game because of how excited I got about catching Owner. From what I can tell you have zero actual thoughts about me though (I mean I'm sure you do, but you haven't vocalized them). I've given a ton of content. What are your thoughts?
Back to kind of the question at hand though. Where is your read on me at? Even if you feel like you deserve townpoints, that doesn't mean I don't. Thoughts?
I think you're being massively disingenuous I did push owner repeatedly and owner had just as many votes as nutella did when I left the thread d1 and then made got rolled on after so saying I pushed owner when she wasn't in danger is just wrong.Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 1:41 amPutting a vote down and being essentially non-present in thread otherwise is not the same thing as going above-and-beyond to make sure that person get lunched. Did you even read D2? That massive wagon on Owner didn't appear out of nowhere. Right as soon as Owner came into the thread, I pushed her. Once I had enough, I made sure everyone was fully aware of the situation. Others really wanted a Hawk wagon. I wanted Owner in the ground.Allcrab wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 1:33 amI don't understand what there is to talk out, I will say seanzie is being a massive hypocrite for suggesting they get credit for owner when both me and bunny were on owner way before just about anyone and they have us in their PoE despite that so that doesn't change my read much.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 1:27 amI think you and @Allcrab need to talk this out. It'll help develop reads on both of you.Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 1:23 am What's there to have a go at? I asked Allcrab earlier about his read on me and he ignored me. Right now he seems to just not want to give me credit for things I've done. If he doesn't want to believe the wolfpelt I have thrown over my shoulder, or my general vibe in thread, he's either a wolf or town that isn't going to find me no matter what I do.
If you were voting Owner before me, great. I didn't know that, props to you. If you want to say that you voting Owner early on before Owner was in danger is the same thing as me pushing the thread to make sure Owner is definitely lunched, well sorry.
Either way, I honestly am probably the towniest I've ever been in this game because of how excited I got about catching Owner. From what I can tell you have zero actual thoughts about me though (I mean I'm sure you do, but you haven't vocalized them). I've given a ton of content. What are your thoughts?
I don't understand what there is to talk out, I will say seanzie is being a massive hypocrite for suggesting they get credit for owner when both me and bunny were on owner way before just about anyone and they have us in their PoE despite that so that doesn't change my read much.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 1:27 amI think you and @Allcrab need to talk this out. It'll help develop reads on both of you.Seanzie wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 1:23 am What's there to have a go at? I asked Allcrab earlier about his read on me and he ignored me. Right now he seems to just not want to give me credit for things I've done. If he doesn't want to believe the wolfpelt I have thrown over my shoulder, or my general vibe in thread, he's either a wolf or town that isn't going to find me no matter what I do.
I don't see why not if owner was gonna die anyway d2 votes on owner don't really mean anything the way d1 votes do.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 1:14 amOkay, that's something worth discussing. Do you suspect Seanzie might have hard bussed Owner with false mechanics?Allcrab wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 1:13 amThe only one in that pile I question is I don't see anything that makes seanzie village.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 1:12 am If lost monkey is removed from the pile then the POE is even tighter, so the general question remains: is there any mafioso outside that pile
The only one in that pile I question is I don't see anything that makes seanzie village.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon May 31, 2021 1:12 am If lost monkey is removed from the pile then the POE is even tighter, so the general question remains: is there any mafioso outside that pile
They bought guillo's awful fake red check on jay, I wouldn't go as far as to say they have a lie tell but gnome as a wolf usually isn't all that deceptive it generally starts and ends at bad faith pushes but as far as faking belief at claims they should know are probably fake I have trouble picturing it.
Not really I think martin is a wolf I'm just humoring alison because I think orange can also be a wolf and an 11 vote circlejerk on martin would be boring.Actvscenei wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 9:08 pmAnd you think they did the same thing with healers?Allcrab wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 9:06 pmRed herring plant by the hosts to punish us for trying to solve mechanically.Actvscenei wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 9:05 pmI don’t think there would be two watchers in the game, one being x-shot and one being full use. That feels odd to me. I know you say you don’t see a scum reason to have a watcher, and I can agree with that. But can you explain the logics of town having two watchers like this?Allcrab wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 8:51 pmNah it cool.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 8:47 pmAnd you’re completely cool with lost monkey’s role being a weak version of yours? Not meant to be a butthead question, just looking to understand Allcrab better.Allcrab wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 8:44 pmCorrect.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 8:44 pm
To be clear: are you claiming a full watcher with no limited shots?
Again don't see the value in that being a wolf role and he was 100% telling the truth because I got same results that they did but as I've said I could be completely wrong on that but it's a as you say solving the hosts more than lomo kinda thing although idk he's been kinda cool with me and my claim and feel like he wouldn't as a wolf.
Red herring plant by the hosts to punish us for trying to solve mechanically.Actvscenei wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 9:05 pmI don’t think there would be two watchers in the game, one being x-shot and one being full use. That feels odd to me. I know you say you don’t see a scum reason to have a watcher, and I can agree with that. But can you explain the logics of town having two watchers like this?Allcrab wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 8:51 pmNah it cool.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 8:47 pmAnd you’re completely cool with lost monkey’s role being a weak version of yours? Not meant to be a butthead question, just looking to understand Allcrab better.Allcrab wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 8:44 pmCorrect.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 8:44 pmTo be clear: are you claiming a full watcher with no limited shots?
Again don't see the value in that being a wolf role and he was 100% telling the truth because I got same results that they did but as I've said I could be completely wrong on that but it's a as you say solving the hosts more than lomo kinda thing although idk he's been kinda cool with me and my claim and feel like he wouldn't as a wolf.
NGL I kinda have thought this but JJJ been sticking their neck out too far to be 3p.MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 8:59 pmJaggedJimmyJayJaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 8:58 pm Anyone want to take a stab at a poisoner read? First name that comes to mind?
Orange is kinda null to me themselves but agree with alison's take on sonny them seeming less motivated as more wolves died that being said I find act's posts towards orange extremely uncharitable and it's making me concerned, it could be a bus but that seems dangerous and this stage.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 8:53 pm Do you have an immediate perspective of orangecrush, Allcrab? You’ve likely said something already, but it is difficult to search by phone.
Nah it cool.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 8:47 pmAnd you’re completely cool with lost monkey’s role being a weak version of yours? Not meant to be a butthead question, just looking to understand Allcrab better.Allcrab wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 8:44 pmCorrect.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 8:44 pmTo be clear: are you claiming a full watcher with no limited shots?
I think if it is because of a vest and sloonei is village that suggests multiple wolves on the syndicate side of things IMO because then I would classify that under SPK.Allcrab wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 8:45 pmI still think a doctor is likely, I don't see a reason to shoot sloonei n1 they weren't that memorable.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 8:43 pmI can definitely get on board with Act.Allcrab wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 8:35 pmAfter that is probably sloonei tbh.Allcrab wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 8:34 pmHawk got ignored pretty hard.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 8:33 pm Which other Allcrab read do you think is being or has been ignored
As of people who are still alive?
Act is the one I feel strongest about.
Do you think there’s still a mechanical explanation out there for the non-kill of Night 1 apart from Sloonei’s vest?
I still think a doctor is likely, I don't see a reason to shoot sloonei n1 they weren't that memorable.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 8:43 pmI can definitely get on board with Act.Allcrab wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 8:35 pmAfter that is probably sloonei tbh.Allcrab wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 8:34 pmHawk got ignored pretty hard.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 8:33 pm Which other Allcrab read do you think is being or has been ignored
As of people who are still alive?
Act is the one I feel strongest about.
Do you think there’s still a mechanical explanation out there for the non-kill of Night 1 apart from Sloonei’s vest?
Correct.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 8:44 pmTo be clear: are you claiming a full watcher with no limited shots?
After that is probably sloonei tbh.Allcrab wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 8:34 pmHawk got ignored pretty hard.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 8:33 pm Which other Allcrab read do you think is being or has been ignored
As of people who are still alive?
Act is the one I feel strongest about.
Hawk got ignored pretty hard.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 8:33 pm Which other Allcrab read do you think is being or has been ignored
Yes but I've had to be very loud about it also I've put out reads on everyone.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 8:31 pmI don’t see anyone chopping bad bumny.Allcrab wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 8:30 pmI have in fact I haven't had a wrong read yet just nobody is really interested in listening to me.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 8:30 pmYes you’re wonderful, now please solve somethingAllcrab wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 8:26 pm Ah no but shooting me would be problematic for a lot of people wouldn't it because if I get shot I'm not gonna die and if I don't die people know my read on bunny is legit and if my read on bunny is legit then let's face it she might as well have a green check on her and then a lot of people's shitty reads come crashing down on their heads now don't they?
I have in fact I haven't had a wrong read yet just nobody is really interested in listening to me.JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 8:30 pmYes you’re wonderful, now please solve somethingAllcrab wrote: ↑Sun May 30, 2021 8:26 pm Ah no but shooting me would be problematic for a lot of people wouldn't it because if I get shot I'm not gonna die and if I don't die people know my read on bunny is legit and if my read on bunny is legit then let's face it she might as well have a green check on her and then a lot of people's shitty reads come crashing down on their heads now don't they?
