The Syndicate

Maybe there's like a master informed minority that actually knows exactly what's happening. And these other seemingly informed minorities are actually just temporary factions that are actually uninformed like everyone else in the end.

FoolsGold wrote: ↑Sun Apr 10, 2022 9:24 am

Whysper wrote: ↑Sun Apr 10, 2022 9:16 am

Millium wrote: ↑Sun Apr 10, 2022 8:57 am @TreeReaper
No, Zone thinks he is a wolf, and he currently is a wolf, whether that means absolutely anything, well I still don't know yet

Just to be clear, you mean wolf in the general sense of informed minority and not specifically as werewolf, correct?

And he openly admits this? Does he talk about a factional chat or action or anything else?

From what Zone has said in the ??? chat, he is in Owl's previous faction (mafia), and he has admitted that they had a chat and a factional kill.
That has to be an evil informed minority.

Oh interesting. But that's weird how players are getting converted out of informed minorities and then able to talk about it and give away info. Or converted into informed minorities and then having tonal shifts as would be expected of most players. I don't see how any of those could last long.

Millium wrote: ↑Sun Apr 10, 2022 9:22 am

Whysper wrote: ↑Sun Apr 10, 2022 9:16 am

Millium wrote: ↑Sun Apr 10, 2022 8:57 am @TreeReaper
No, Zone thinks he is a wolf, and he currently is a wolf, whether that means absolutely anything, well I still don't know yet

Just to be clear, you mean wolf in the general sense of informed minority and not specifically as werewolf, correct?

And he openly admits this? Does he talk about a factional chat or action or anything else?

Yes, and no Nanook admitted it for them both, but thats mostly irrelevant, cause like I said before, it was obvious zone was evil, I said it many times. Once Zone gets a role pm saying he is evil, even if he believes their are multiple faction, or he is uninformed, his playstyle and tonal shift, is so drastic and so noticeable

Yeah I can imagine there would be a tonal shift. Actually seems to be happening to a lot of the slots after conversion in this game.

Millium wrote: ↑Sun Apr 10, 2022 8:57 am @TreeReaper
No, Zone thinks he is a wolf, and he currently is a wolf, whether that means absolutely anything, well I still don't know yet

Just to be clear, you mean wolf in the general sense of informed minority and not specifically as werewolf, correct?

And he openly admits this? Does he talk about a factional chat or action or anything else?

DunkinDonuts wrote: ↑Sun Apr 10, 2022 6:19 am

Whysper wrote: ↑Sun Apr 10, 2022 1:09 am

Kurosaki Ichigo wrote: ↑Sat Apr 09, 2022 8:21 pm

FoolsGold wrote: ↑Sat Apr 09, 2022 2:56 pm "I am ashamed to have finally succumbed to temptation and became one of those people that make excel sheets of players for a mafia game" - Lemonfairy, 2022


there's probably stuff missing but just lmk and I'll add them

I fully claimed villager, with wincon to kill spies and werewolves plus other not mentioned threats. Nothing changed.
My first DP lenght was 120/48

@DunkinDonuts @Whysper @SeonRichard @TreeReaper
claim to complete the sheeet

My faction is Villager and my previous phase was 120/48. Wincon to defeat all threats to Villagers.

"all threats"?

Well it's not worded exactly as "all threats". I don't think I'm suppose to quote exactly, but it's more like when no more threats to our faction exist.

It doesn't give any enemy factions if that's what you're getting at. Yes, a lot of them mention 1 or 2 specific enemy factions, though I think they end up all saying any threats just that those are included. And I've heard of 1 or 2 others having it more like mine with no specific enemies mentioned. So I'm pretty sure it just varies.

Millium wrote: ↑Sat Apr 09, 2022 11:25 pm im not giving u that fruit, I am shooting someone before I get off'd
You can look any Whysper game and see almost the same gameplay regardless of their alignment
the only think notable is how good or bad their posts are when they post, like are there takes bad, are they good

their reasoning for not talking to Onion is essentially dumb, because whats the worse that can happen from them talking to someone in a chat
but again both slots are essentially no playing and one of them has 3 heads lol

On not talking with Onion, it is more that I have limited time for focusing on the game, I so I'd rather use it in the main thread than in a private chat with someone where I don't think things were going anywhere productive. They even admitted later that they'd been lying to me earlier on.

I'd rather discuss things with them and everyone else out in the open. Otherwise they just come back to the thread with their opinion and slant and say what they want about me.

Millium wrote: ↑Sun Apr 10, 2022 1:22 am Then onion is an evil faction in terms of my wincon

Yeah, and according to the theory about Town being informed minority in 2nd world

/vote TwoPlayersAndAOnion

Going to crossvote them since there's no reason for them to keep their vote on me after the fake red check was outed. Not sure why one of them couldn't unvote by now.

Also, their activity has severely dropped since their conversion. That's not a good sign about their new alignment. People are saying Town is informed minority in 2nd world.

ATNoLeafia wrote: ↑Sun Apr 10, 2022 12:10 am Before I go sleep, I want to express some thoughts.

First, Dunkin claimed to vig TwoPlayers for survival reasons. From both of their claim, this doesn't even look to be the case, so I now ask @DunkinDonuts what was going on?

Second, I kindly want to ask all the trees what they contributed to the thread because I'm too lazy to read people these days.

Finally, I still want Whysper to defend herselves in thread.

I'm not sure what more to say in defense other than the obvious fact that the votes are based on a fake red claim that has already been outed pretty early on. Unfortunately those 2 who are inactive will probably just keep their votes on me. I'm hoping TwoPlayersAndAOnion will come to some sort of agreement among themselves. Though they may just keep the vote on me to protect themselves from getting voted out.

ATNoLeafia wrote: ↑Sat Apr 09, 2022 11:22 pm Well, I decided to take an uninformed spectator approach because I absolutely didn't care about anyone really, but now I really want that fruit, so I'll take a look at it.

I think the first thing would be to talk with @Whysper since its a bit concerning that she hasn't done anything despite being top game for the entire day.

I'm surprised there are still all those votes on me since it was revealed that the red check was fake. I thought people would take them off after getting back to the thread since the reveal. But I guess at least 2 of those were prompted for inactivity. And 1 being the person who made the fake red check in the 1st place.

I don't understand why TwoPlayersAndAOnion isn't taking it off though. They even knew from the start it was fake. We chatted again for a bit in our Rivals chat. They say they converted from Rebels to Town.

Kurosaki Ichigo wrote: ↑Sat Apr 09, 2022 8:21 pm

FoolsGold wrote: ↑Sat Apr 09, 2022 2:56 pm "I am ashamed to have finally succumbed to temptation and became one of those people that make excel sheets of players for a mafia game" - Lemonfairy, 2022


there's probably stuff missing but just lmk and I'll add them

I fully claimed villager, with wincon to kill spies and werewolves plus other not mentioned threats. Nothing changed.
My first DP lenght was 120/48

@DunkinDonuts @Whysper @SeonRichard @TreeReaper
claim to complete the sheeet

My faction is Villager and my previous phase was 120/48. Wincon to defeat all threats to Villagers.

Boquise wrote: ↑Sat Apr 09, 2022 1:43 pm

Whysper wrote: ↑Fri Apr 08, 2022 10:05 pm

TwoPlayersAndAOnion wrote: ↑Fri Apr 08, 2022 5:30 pm

TimHortons wrote: ↑Fri Apr 08, 2022 5:28 pm I have been informed that Whysper is a member of the awfully evil, outrageous, devastatingly scum-like faction Spy.
Her head needs to start rolling.

Lmao are you kidding me my social read was right

She might have put me in the death game to

Lol Whysper

She hasn’t even said anything in neighbor chat for days :glare:

No, it's wrong. And I haven't been in the chat because I don't trust you.

Why don't you trust them? I mean, prior to this cop claim?

I think I may have mentioned this in another post, but it was just their approach from the get-go. They were trying to get me to agree to an alliance between factions. That seemed kind of strange if you are an uninformed majority faction since you wouldn't really have any true knowledge of who for sure is in your faction. There wouldn't really be anything to do for coordination between factions. Or at least not anything special beyond the obvious thing where uninformed majority factions would have an open interest in working together anyway. A move towards an alliance just seems more like something an informed minority would try to do.

TownMisleaders wrote: ↑Sat Apr 09, 2022 11:52 am I believe that in the first world town is actually the uninformed majority and are told as such. mafia is the informed minority and are also told this

however, in the second world / core roles, whatever you want to call it, mafia is the uninformed majority and town is the informed minority

this is why no one has claimed mafia as their first alignment, and also why no one has claimed town as their core role

And is it usually or even always the case that someone with Town in the 1st world gets converted to Mafia in the 2nd?

I think people were saying there was a similar conversion from Rebel to Spies. Or is that something different? Like Spies would still be informed minority even in 2nd world?

based wrote: ↑Sat Apr 09, 2022 10:12 am

Whysper wrote: ↑Fri Apr 08, 2022 10:01 pm

TreeReaper wrote: ↑Fri Apr 08, 2022 5:26 pm

based wrote: ↑Fri Apr 08, 2022 5:20 pm

treereaper while I repeatedly beg for an answer to our question

*like*

Can we not even like here.

We received your laundry and we gave it away. I think that person themselves should be able to claim it. I'll let them decide if it's in their best interest.

~Solic

I received the laundry basket. I think it is probably fine for me to reveal that.

based

feel free to take a shirt and put it on, it has funky voting effects (idk if its only positive or if its negative/positive, cuz our shirt was a positive one)

speaking of voting, we have an extra vote on us and I dunno why. this is sadge. Im sorry if we said anything Osie, can we pls have it taken away?

Yeah, I'll likely take something from it. Might as well give it a try.

Tsumugi wrote: ↑Fri Apr 08, 2022 11:48 pm

Whysper wrote: ↑Fri Apr 08, 2022 9:50 pm

Tsumugi wrote: ↑Fri Apr 08, 2022 5:00 pm @Whysper Your the one that douses people in blood right? How come you didnt show up on my watch, my shit was on the misleaders slot but only i showed up there.

Yes, I do the Shaman blood thing. And yes, I did target TownMisleaders last night. It doesn't say anything on the ability about it not counting as a visit. But my ability may take precedence over a watch, which might then make it so the watch doesn't work since it makes targeting harder.

Correct, this was an error on osie part you did show up on my watch.

Okay, cool. Good to know.

TwoPlayersAndAOnion wrote: ↑Fri Apr 08, 2022 10:40 pm

Whysper wrote: ↑Fri Apr 08, 2022 10:38 pm

Millium wrote: ↑Fri Apr 08, 2022 10:34 pm

FoolsGold wrote: ↑Fri Apr 08, 2022 6:03 pm @juliets Thanks much.

@Millium Daeron took the opportunity to try to convince the entirety of the ??? chat to turbo yeet Whysper twice in a row. Before they could return form whatever they are currently doing. They even said they would fake a red check, and asked the chat to play along in order to supposedly change the site again, due to annoyance with various site mechanisms.

Except that Whysper was only ever voted by SeonRichard D3, who is not in ??? chat.

Except that we don't know if it even works when the person voted was a vanity wagon. Or at least people in the chat don't.

I am currently, personally, very pissed off.

Ahhh, okay. I think I saw the part about turbo yeeting me with regards to the site mechanism. But I hadn't made the connection about the Spy thing as the fake red check. So Daeron is Tim Horton?

daeron is part of skillissue hwich is tim horton

Okay, I see. The hydras are already confusing, but adding the alt switches makes it even worse!

Millium wrote: ↑Fri Apr 08, 2022 10:34 pm

FoolsGold wrote: ↑Fri Apr 08, 2022 6:03 pm @juliets Thanks much.

@Millium Daeron took the opportunity to try to convince the entirety of the ??? chat to turbo yeet Whysper twice in a row. Before they could return form whatever they are currently doing. They even said they would fake a red check, and asked the chat to play along in order to supposedly change the site again, due to annoyance with various site mechanisms.

Except that Whysper was only ever voted by SeonRichard D3, who is not in ??? chat.

Except that we don't know if it even works when the person voted was a vanity wagon. Or at least people in the chat don't.

I am currently, personally, very pissed off.

Ahhh, okay. I think I saw the part about turbo yeeting me with regards to the site mechanism. But I hadn't made the connection about the Spy thing as the fake red check. So Daeron is Tim Horton?

Millium wrote: ↑Fri Apr 08, 2022 10:28 pm

SeonRichard wrote: ↑Fri Apr 08, 2022 10:27 pm

Millium wrote: ↑Fri Apr 08, 2022 10:23 pm

SeonRichard wrote: ↑Fri Apr 08, 2022 10:22 pm I'm inclined to believe the cop check on Whysper is legit, because I made no secret that I don't town read Whysper.
That being said, in a bastard game like this there are mechanics that could mess with a cop such as framer.
One problem I have with revealing the cop check this early, is that if it's real then Whysper can limit spew.

-CRichard

ITS FAKE

Oh it's fake? I was expecting you to tell me that the check was FPS on their part.

-CRichard

Tim Horton's told the chat he was in, that he was going to do it

Did he say what the point of this was? I just worried that people are only going to notice the fake red check and not even follow up in reading that it was fake.

Millium wrote: ↑Fri Apr 08, 2022 10:23 pm

SeonRichard wrote: ↑Fri Apr 08, 2022 10:22 pm I'm inclined to believe the cop check on Whysper is legit, because I made no secret that I don't town read Whysper.
That being said, in a bastard game like this there are mechanics that could mess with a cop such as framer.
One problem I have with revealing the cop check this early, is that if it's real then Whysper can limit spew.

-CRichard

ITS FAKE

Yeah, I've been told that there was a plan of some sort to fake this

Whysper wrote: ↑Fri Apr 08, 2022 10:24 pm

Millium wrote: ↑Fri Apr 08, 2022 10:21 pm its fake, its already been confirmed fake

@Whysper
who is in your chat again?

I'm in a chat with TwoPlayersAndAOnion

It's a Rival chat BTW

Millium wrote: ↑Fri Apr 08, 2022 10:21 pm its fake, its already been confirmed fake

@Whysper
who is in your chat again?

I'm in a chat with TwoPlayersAndAOnion

TwoPlayersAndAOnion wrote: ↑Fri Apr 08, 2022 5:46 pm Whysper hasn’t used rivals chat since April 3rd and I kinda forced her to then, and when I asked her her alignment she dipped

Yeah, because I don't trust you. I already has misgivings when you talked about making a faction alliance. I mean, that seems to only be something the informed minority factions would talk about. The uninformed wouldn't have anyone else to really work with and coordinate a faction alliance thing.

TwoPlayersAndAOnion wrote: ↑Fri Apr 08, 2022 5:30 pm

TimHortons wrote: ↑Fri Apr 08, 2022 5:28 pm I have been informed that Whysper is a member of the awfully evil, outrageous, devastatingly scum-like faction Spy.
Her head needs to start rolling.

Lmao are you kidding me my social read was right

She might have put me in the death game to

Lol Whysper

She hasn’t even said anything in neighbor chat for days :glare:

No, it's wrong. And I haven't been in the chat because I don't trust you.

TimHortons wrote: ↑Fri Apr 08, 2022 5:28 pm I have been informed that Whysper is a member of the awfully evil, outrageous, devastatingly scum-like faction Spy.
Her head needs to start rolling.

This is absolutely false. Either you are directly lying, or someone framed me.

TreeReaper wrote: ↑Fri Apr 08, 2022 5:26 pm

based wrote: ↑Fri Apr 08, 2022 5:20 pm

treereaper while I repeatedly beg for an answer to our question

*like*

Can we not even like here.

We received your laundry and we gave it away. I think that person themselves should be able to claim it. I'll let them decide if it's in their best interest.

~Solic

I received the laundry basket. I think it is probably fine for me to reveal that.

Tsumugi wrote: ↑Fri Apr 08, 2022 5:00 pm @Whysper Your the one that douses people in blood right? How come you didnt show up on my watch, my shit was on the misleaders slot but only i showed up there.

Yes, I do the Shaman blood thing. And yes, I did target TownMisleaders last night. It doesn't say anything on the ability about it not counting as a visit. But my ability may take precedence over a watch, which might then make it so the watch doesn't work since it makes targeting harder.