The Syndicate

Nanook, if you want me to not vote you I'm kinda need to know who you think are maf and who you think are town

Gavial wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 10:20 pm
Dolby wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 10:16 pm I still think it's more likely that Marmot was doc saved successfully than scum kill was roleblocked, but also, Nanook was even worse looking on the CFD than NAA imo and should probably just go
I’m honestly not entirely sure what happened tbh.

no kills happened bc eitehr someone was successfully saved or me/Lime Coke blocked teh mafia carrying the kill

and with a three person scum team the first is always just more likely

I still think it's more likely that Marmot was doc saved successfully than scum kill was roleblocked, but also, Nanook was even worse looking on the CFD than NAA imo and should probably just go

I think I always vote Nanook over Jack

Havent read since I was last here

15 minutes to ask me anything, go

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 4:36 am
LinearPoint wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 4:34 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 4:33 am
LinearPoint wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 4:29 am We should always out Nanook over Jack I think.
Jack at the very least was on Sabie even when Sabie was 20 seconds from being lynched D1.
Unlike Nanook who switched to Sean to save Sabie.
Ehhhh I'm not sure about dis.
So you're saying Jack hard busses sabie?
nah I think Jack is probably town... I'm just not so sure nanook is the optimal person to kill from the sabie voters... not to say he isn't I just am currently sort of pondering the notion that sabie was bussed by not Jack.

Who would be that optimal person

And If you say me… just no

Ok it’s past midnight I’m gonna crash

[VOTE: Nanook] aubergine

Yahoo

Me saying way before is admitidly kinda disingenuous but I joined like an hour before NAA came in and had no idea that anyone but Sabie would go over

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 4:25 am
Dolby wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 4:22 am
Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 4:21 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 4:18 am For me

Wilgy
Falcon
Jack
Gavial
Dolby

is the POE

which is astonishing because it means that the town saved sabie from a hardcore bus...

which honestly makes sense lol
what about Sig?

Sabie chose to jump onto Seanzie instead of Gavial or Sig at that time.
This doesn’t really mean anything when the votes were 5/5 Sabie/Seanzie
What are you talking about.

Sabie and Gavial were wagons for a while, then Sig began taking place, at that point Sabie vote for self preservation onto Gavial, then NAA came out of nowhere demanding Seanzie's head and him, you, Sabie and Tony switched there to kill him off.

You said Seanzie and afaik she only voted on Seanzie at EoD

Also I voted on Seanzie WAY BEFORE NAA came into the field

Swap my name out with Nanook, that’s the right timeline

Again

There is no reason why medic save is the reason why there were no kills and it is actually far more likely

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 4:21 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 4:18 am For me

Wilgy
Falcon
Jack
Gavial
Dolby

is the POE

which is astonishing because it means that the town saved sabie from a hardcore bus...

which honestly makes sense lol
what about Sig?

Sabie chose to jump onto Seanzie instead of Gavial or Sig at that time.

This doesn’t really mean anything when the votes were 5/5 Sabie/Seanzie

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 4:19 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 4:16 am
LinearPoint wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 4:15 am And I mean if Gav is already basically taking random shots at probably townies is it really that different to random his shot?
who are your scum?
Currently I don't know. No one really stands out as extremely obvious.
Nanook I'm putting at about 99% guarenteed Mafia.
Jack might be just because of the RB really, and the last one is between Gullio, Martin, Mac, NAA, or Dolby.

I’m not fully there yet but yeah Nanook sus as hell. I blocked him last night

Guillo imo has no place in the PoE with that list of names

I still feel like the most likely mafia in the cfd is Nanook>NAA

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 4:13 am Low key, what if we like just let Gav shoot and Pyro him?

75% of the time town dies

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 4:08 am
Gavial wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 3:46 am
Dolby wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 3:41 am TSP claiming Sniper with a shot on Sabie is borderline outting himself as town since he probably wouldn’t think to do that if he didn’t actually do that.

I think Guillo said something similar yesterday but yeah
So is everyone’s readslist like this:
Top Town:
Marmot
TSP

Instead of like this:
Lime Coke
LinearPoint

Lmao.
Lime Coke and Linearpoint are my top town probably. I am sus of TSP. Not so much Marmot.

TSP didn’t have a real reason to claim sniper aimed at Sabie there as mafia unless he actually did, or he knew that aimming snipers didn’t show up in watched reports.

Also I think that Sabie’s “TSP is making fake meta on me” comment towards him is a good look

[VOTE: Gaviel] aubergine

Don’t think Gav is TMIing but I don’t like him pushing the two clearest people in the game, and I also feel like the way that Sabie talked about him and had to be pressured to vote from him is w/w

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 3:54 am
Dolby wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 3:53 am
Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 3:53 am
Dolby wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 3:51 am
Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 3:50 am Sighs* I've never been so useless mechanically wise in a game in my life.
Easy question for mechanic heads. How many roleblockers are supposed to be in a game? because so far I've counted two claims and a retracted roleblocker claim too.
4 if I count medics

2 assuming optimal play and medics are town
Medic has a roleblocking ability they can use every night
But blocking and protecting are different things no?

Do not quote hack me please

Sorry I’m on my phone and accidentally clicked on the quote

LC, it’s more likely that the kill got protected last night imo

Dolby wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 3:53 am
Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 3:53 am
Dolby wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 3:51 am
Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 3:50 am Sighs* I've never been so useless mechanically wise in a game in my life.
Easy question for mechanic heads. How many roleblockers are supposed to be in a game? because so far I've counted two claims and a retracted roleblocker claim too.
4 if I count medics

2 assuming optimal play and medics are town
Medic has a roleblocking ability they can use every night
But blocking and protecting are different things no?

every other night I mean

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 3:53 am
Dolby wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 3:51 am
Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 3:50 am Sighs* I've never been so useless mechanically wise in a game in my life.
Easy question for mechanic heads. How many roleblockers are supposed to be in a game? because so far I've counted two claims and a retracted roleblocker claim too.
4 if I count medics

2 assuming optimal play and medics are town
Medic has a roleblocking ability they can use every night
But blocking and protecting are different things no?

Guillotine wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 3:50 am Sighs* I've never been so useless mechanically wise in a game in my life.
Easy question for mechanic heads. How many roleblockers are supposed to be in a game? because so far I've counted two claims and a retracted roleblocker claim too.

4 if I count medics

2 assuming optimal play and medics are town

Gavial wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 3:49 am Only both though, wouldn’t snap vote if it’s just one of them unless the other is flipped wolf.

Tbh Marmot w would be the only world where I consider TSP w

That’s the main world where I think wolf TSP knows that he can safely claim and that he isn’t supposed to be in the watcher report as aimming sniper

Both are just town regardless

Gavial wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 3:46 am
Dolby wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 3:41 am TSP claiming Sniper with a shot on Sabie is borderline outting himself as town since he probably wouldn’t think to do that if he didn’t actually do that.

I think Guillo said something similar yesterday but yeah
So is everyone’s readslist like this:
Top Town:
Marmot
TSP

Instead of like this:
Lime Coke
LinearPoint

Lmao.

Tbf LC and LP are comfortably in my townlist

Gavial wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 3:45 am
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 3:37 am This was why Nanook spent all Day 1 voting you. This is why Falcon was fully intending on voting you all of Akemi Homura Day 2 regardless of your alignment. You are being an extra mafia member. Stop being an extra mafia member.
That’s false.
I am not being an extra mafia member.
I am being big brained.

Gav, you are killing someone who is a town member 98% of the time and are saying that the arguably even more spewed member is his partner

You are actively hurting us

If you want to consider Marmot on D7, fine, but not the phase after the kill was stopped

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 3:44 am
Dolby wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 3:43 am
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 3:40 am @LinearPoint
@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
@falcon45ca
@Dolby
@sig
@TonyStarkPrime

Votes onto JackofHearts he's outed mechanically.
There were more people than Jack blocked/docced last night. I guarantee it
If there's another block I'm willing to listen.
Which was kind of why I was waiting for everyone to check in.

But yeah we still got the full day. If there's something incriminating it'll help.

Otherwise if nothing happens I want Jack voted out.

Ok sure

I blocked Nanook last night

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 3:40 am @LinearPoint
@NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
@falcon45ca
@Dolby
@sig
@TonyStarkPrime

Votes onto JackofHearts he's outed mechanically.

There were more people than Jack blocked/docced last night. I guarantee it

TSP claiming Sniper with a shot on Sabie is borderline outting himself as town since he probably wouldn’t think to do that if he didn’t actually do that.

I think Guillo said something similar yesterday but yeah

Gavial wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 3:09 am While I’m still almost positive it’s Falcon I’m pretty sure both TSP/Marmot are wolves.

I hate it here

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Dec 27, 2021 2:36 am @falcon45ca @Dolby reads on each other plz

Idk he can die

actually it may have only been me and you

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 6:55 pm
Dolby wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 6:54 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 6:53 pm
Dolby wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 6:50 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 6:47 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 6:44 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 6:42 pm

you don't view voting on a cfd that saved a mafia as likely to contain a mafia?
No, remember that semi-recent game where we CFD'd off of Syn because the wagon was too massive and too stagnant. The act of CFD in my view has no relation to alignment (though I'm sure in some cases - for some players it does).
yes but that's one example in a sea of countless examples to the contrary... fact is that when a mafia survives in a split or 1 vote there's almost always mafia usually several on the c/w...

and in this case there were 2 voters on seanzie prior to the mafia wagon influencing it... given I'm town and was voting there and it was middle of the night my time it seems likely that the seanzie wagon was picked as the save c/w specifically because of its viability and capacity to save sabie... which makes the three of you even more sketch.
I tied the Seanzie wagon 3/3 with a Gav wagon containing only blue names (Marmot (stayed), Nanook (flipped), Sabie (flipped)).

I personally think that Sabie being on that wagon makes Gav more likely town, and I kinda just think that the starting composition of the Seanzie wagon being 2/3 or 3/3 town is very very likely given we already have one mafia already on Gav (if Gav town).
who else was voting seanzie before you?
you and someone else I think
...

I am aware of that yes it's the someone else's identity I seek

i don't remember

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 6:53 pm
Dolby wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 6:50 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 6:47 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 6:44 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 6:42 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 6:42 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 6:40 pm

Well my vote was not a save attempt and it doesn't seem like Dolby's was either... so neither of these votes are inherently alignment indicative off the back of sabie's alignment. So why were we in your list?

and isn't Nook like virtually outed to you then?

and why is TSP town?
Because I don't view the act of saving Sabie scummy, I view the act of voting alignment indicative.
you don't view voting on a cfd that saved a mafia as likely to contain a mafia?
No, remember that semi-recent game where we CFD'd off of Syn because the wagon was too massive and too stagnant. The act of CFD in my view has no relation to alignment (though I'm sure in some cases - for some players it does).
yes but that's one example in a sea of countless examples to the contrary... fact is that when a mafia survives in a split or 1 vote there's almost always mafia usually several on the c/w...

and in this case there were 2 voters on seanzie prior to the mafia wagon influencing it... given I'm town and was voting there and it was middle of the night my time it seems likely that the seanzie wagon was picked as the save c/w specifically because of its viability and capacity to save sabie... which makes the three of you even more sketch.
I tied the Seanzie wagon 3/3 with a Gav wagon containing only blue names (Marmot (stayed), Nanook (flipped), Sabie (flipped)).

I personally think that Sabie being on that wagon makes Gav more likely town, and I kinda just think that the starting composition of the Seanzie wagon being 2/3 or 3/3 town is very very likely given we already have one mafia already on Gav (if Gav town).
who else was voting seanzie before you?

you and someone else I think

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 6:50 pm Man, it would be hilarious though if he CFD'd onto Dolby or Nanook here though... If we're correct.

I would've been fine with not yeeting Sabie today if people recognized that Sabie still died without performing an action or kill under the plan

and if she didn't another mafia would be forced into a claim battle with one other person

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 6:47 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 6:44 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 6:42 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 6:42 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 6:40 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 6:39 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 6:38 pm @NotAnAxehole mafia have to be inside the seanzie vote right? who is it if not you?
I already gave my list of 7... On the Seanzie wagon potential candidates were: You, Dolby, Nookie
Well my vote was not a save attempt and it doesn't seem like Dolby's was either... so neither of these votes are inherently alignment indicative off the back of sabie's alignment. So why were we in your list?

and isn't Nook like virtually outed to you then?

and why is TSP town?
Because I don't view the act of saving Sabie scummy, I view the act of voting alignment indicative.
you don't view voting on a cfd that saved a mafia as likely to contain a mafia?
No, remember that semi-recent game where we CFD'd off of Syn because the wagon was too massive and too stagnant. The act of CFD in my view has no relation to alignment (though I'm sure in some cases - for some players it does).
yes but that's one example in a sea of countless examples to the contrary... fact is that when a mafia survives in a split or 1 vote there's almost always mafia usually several on the c/w...

and in this case there were 2 voters on seanzie prior to the mafia wagon influencing it... given I'm town and was voting there and it was middle of the night my time it seems likely that the seanzie wagon was picked as the save c/w specifically because of its viability and capacity to save sabie... which makes the three of you even more sketch.

I tied the Seanzie wagon 3/3 with a Gav wagon containing only blue names (Marmot (stayed), Nanook (flipped), Sabie (flipped)).

I personally think that Sabie being on that wagon makes Gav more likely town, and I kinda just think that the starting composition of the Seanzie wagon being 2/3 or 3/3 town is very very likely given we already have one mafia already on Gav (if Gav town).

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 6:47 pm
Dolby wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 6:45 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 6:44 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 6:42 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 6:42 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 6:40 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 6:39 pm

I already gave my list of 7... On the Seanzie wagon potential candidates were: You, Dolby, Nookie
Well my vote was not a save attempt and it doesn't seem like Dolby's was either... so neither of these votes are inherently alignment indicative off the back of sabie's alignment. So why were we in your list?

and isn't Nook like virtually outed to you then?

and why is TSP town?
Because I don't view the act of saving Sabie scummy, I view the act of voting alignment indicative.
you don't view voting on a cfd that saved a mafia as likely to contain a mafia?
No, remember that semi-recent game where we CFD'd off of Syn because the wagon was too massive and too stagnant. The act of CFD in my view has no relation to alignment (though I'm sure in some cases - for some players it does).
it's not like Sabie/Seanzie are v/v here though...
Syn was w in the game I'm referencing where Mac lead a massive CFD onto town mainly town swapping onto the new wagon.

eh

i think the way that Nanook hopped off and his lack of progression on Seanzie is >rand w regardless of CFD placement anyway

I kinda think that you coming in just being like "hey switch to Seanzie" is kinda twtbaw

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 6:44 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 6:42 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 6:42 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 6:40 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 6:39 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 6:38 pm @NotAnAxehole mafia have to be inside the seanzie vote right? who is it if not you?
I already gave my list of 7... On the Seanzie wagon potential candidates were: You, Dolby, Nookie
Well my vote was not a save attempt and it doesn't seem like Dolby's was either... so neither of these votes are inherently alignment indicative off the back of sabie's alignment. So why were we in your list?

and isn't Nook like virtually outed to you then?

and why is TSP town?
Because I don't view the act of saving Sabie scummy, I view the act of voting alignment indicative.
you don't view voting on a cfd that saved a mafia as likely to contain a mafia?
No, remember that semi-recent game where we CFD'd off of Syn because the wagon was too massive and too stagnant. The act of CFD in my view has no relation to alignment (though I'm sure in some cases - for some players it does).

it's not like Sabie/Seanzie are v/v here though...

I'm ngl I'm tempted to vote NAA just to keep him from potentially shooting Guillo if town

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 6:42 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 6:40 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 6:39 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 6:38 pm @NotAnAxehole mafia have to be inside the seanzie vote right? who is it if not you?
I already gave my list of 7... On the Seanzie wagon potential candidates were: You, Dolby, Nookie
Well my vote was not a save attempt and it doesn't seem like Dolby's was either... so neither of these votes are inherently alignment indicative off the back of sabie's alignment. So why were we in your list?

and isn't Nook like virtually outed to you then?

and why is TSP town?
Because I don't view the act of saving Sabie scummy, I view the act of voting alignment indicative.

what

Like I get counting you I'm pretty sure that 2/3 of the really late CFDers are probably town

but what

[VOTE: Sabie] aubergine

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 6:39 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 6:38 pm @NotAnAxehole mafia have to be inside the seanzie vote right? who is it if not you?
I already gave my list of 7... On the Seanzie wagon potential candidates were: You, Dolby, Nookie

someoen said earlier that wagon order isn't actually preserved fyi

Actually I'm thinking about my decision to place falcon at 2 and it's kinda dumb bc him being at one forces him to holster, claim swap. or be outted at mass

i should probs move it

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 6:33 pm someone explain why we aren't all just voting sabie again?

stopping potential hidden mafia sniper

I'm just gonna continue vibing for the rest of day tbh

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 6:18 pm TSP said the were viging Sabie N2 so that isn't sus they are saying Sabie is fine to let live.

also them claiming I don't think is a common maf move since it locks them out of their N2 shot

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 6:13 pm
Dolby wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 6:12 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 6:10 pm
Dolby wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 6:09 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 6:07 pm
Dolby wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 6:06 pm I think that Mac saw some posts of mine and determined I'd be a good push target then didn't try to provide justification
I saw some posts of yours and determined you'd be a good push target and provided justification in the form of quoting said posts... actually
I don't see how you can think the posts are bad
both posts I quoted are scummy in the most pure sense of the word
i don't think anyone thinks that
and you base that on what?

"the posts are scummy"
"why"
"they just are"

and no one else who wasn't scumreading me already agreed (I'm including NAA but tbh I don't understand him at all)

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 6:10 pm
Dolby wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 6:09 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 6:07 pm
Dolby wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 6:06 pm I think that Mac saw some posts of mine and determined I'd be a good push target then didn't try to provide justification
I saw some posts of yours and determined you'd be a good push target and provided justification in the form of quoting said posts... actually
I don't see how you can think the posts are bad
both posts I quoted are scummy in the most pure sense of the word

i don't think anyone thinks that

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 6:07 pm
Dolby wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 6:06 pm I think that Mac saw some posts of mine and determined I'd be a good push target then didn't try to provide justification
I saw some posts of yours and determined you'd be a good push target and provided justification in the form of quoting said posts... actually

I don't see how you can think the posts are bad

I think that Mac saw some posts of mine and determined I'd be a good push target then didn't try to provide justification

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Dec 23, 2021 6:02 pm I'd like to just point out that while we are all talking shit Dolby is outed mafia

vote me you coward

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