The Syndicate

c4 can you give me a peek at who among the non-clears is most sus in your eyes when you get a moment?

For my own reference

Mac, Alison, Dolby, HK

Lime Coke (soup)

Listo, Scotty, C4, Nanook

TH

If we elevate someone we're pretty close to winning

tbh out of the someone's that aren't LC the most valid is probs Nanook

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:46 pm

Dolby wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:45 pm

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:43 pm scotty I think is town b/c of his wim even as we were closing in on martin yesterday and TH today.
Like if he's a wolf he just shuts up and keeps his head down here I think.

what's giving me paranoia about Scotty is entirely D2

Scum fought against or ignored the fact that he was a free yeet

except nanook, nanook was the first person to jump on scotty, I joined him, then went back to TSP. I don't recall anyone else voting scotty though.

Mac voted scotty fwiw

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:44 pm

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:43 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:40 pm

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:39 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:38 pm

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:37 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:22 pm Nah it is a way better idea than that.

In the meantime I do need everyone to work out who we should chop tomorrow. I am still thinking C4 but I could be persuaded on Scotty.

Wait but that's dumb

Then persuade me.

Onto Scotty? No

Did I say a name.

Oh ok
Read LC's posts
Literally just can't speak to whatever tf happened with the soup because of the combination of not knowing what happened and not getting lolmech in general, but it sounds like lolmech
If it's not me or listo then either you chop obvtown Scotty or you realize you've been lolmech'd

I ask again if the soup kill was a charade then where is the real one? It is just real.

Strictly speaking, mafia might be able to submit a real soup on themselves and putting a wrong role down.

But that's so lol. We know that your and my guesses was accurate, Alison is almost certainly and they got her wrong for apparently valid reasons according to her. I forgot where they got Lime Coke doctor tbh

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:43 pm scotty I think is town b/c of his wim even as we were closing in on martin yesterday and TH today.
Like if he's a wolf he just shuts up and keeps his head down here I think.

what's giving me paranoia about Scotty is entirely D2

Scum fought against or ignored the fact that he was a free yeet

Ender started independent wagons on Creature and Scotty when he could have gone elsewhere onto town. I give more credence to the Scotty wagon since HK wasn't being yeeted D1

HK is clean, his flavorcard flipped publicly in the discord after his yeet

Creatures interactions with Ender and Michelle in both directions, particularly Michelle, feel pretty dead

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:36 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:24 pm Also does anyone think there is a chance TH is the last?

Michelle, Ender, Martin, TH... Possible there's one more I guess?
also sushi

Spoiler: show

fwiw I think it's possible that TSP's flip was fake

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:32 pm What about the notion that there are 2 partners left?

Probable

Ender def scum
Osie overwhelmingly likely scum
Still feel like Michelle was a pretty likely red flip

I think 16v5 is possible

Also was reading Lime Coke and the best thing going for him is that he's in the soup kill

Interactions with mafia from his end to them tend to be softballs

Ngl I don't want to read Scotty's 400 posts

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:24 pm Also does anyone think there is a chance TH is the last?

I think the only flips that I think might be wrong are TSP and GG

TSP is far more likely than GG to be wrong but I don't see a 17 v 4 basically.

If TH is last scum they'd probs be fighting harder, and would've fought harder to avoid Martin going over, rather than just suddenly attach themselves than leave the thread 40 minutes later

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:23 pm

Dolby wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 7:21 pm Mac's the deep wolf and going to switch the votes while Ender comes in with his 3 death votes that are about to expire

what's this about death votes?

Ender had some ability that I went back and looked back at and it's not going to be an issue because he flipped full role instead of alignment

Thinking about that, Ender probably used cop invalidator -> wildcard or vice versa for days 1 and 2

15 hours and 40 minutes

Mac's the deep wolf and going to switch the votes while Ender comes in with his 3 death votes that are about to expire

There is weird mech stuff going around with Scotty tbh.

Why does the low amount of pressure that is on him on D2 come pretty much entirely from town? Ender outright advocated to keep him alive. Irregardless of his alignment, prosecuter is probably a town ability because of this. Or it was a gambit from Seanzie but there's no way that mafia knew that. Why do I get weaponized almost instantly when he had been claiming to have a gun for hours on day four?

Either way, here's how some relevant people treated him.

Mac and Nanook tried to elim him

Ender boosted him and read him town and tried to keep the yeet off of him

Osie "lightly scumread" him, but kept her vote off of him pretty much the whole time, and raised her read on him to a townlean once it seemed like Scotty was out of danger completely, once his wagon had pretty much collapsed. She made a big deal about how she sussed him but never once seemed to lean towards placing a vote on him, and ignored the fact that he could be majjed at little cost despite ostensibly being her second or third highest scumread towards the start of day. Heck, on day one Osie was doing the same thing despite Scotty being an actual wagon that she could have voted, instead placing a vanity vote on LoMo and trying to gain more support there. Also kinda interesting thing I found here

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 10:06 am Alright this will be my last post. I'm about to go to bed (Midnight my time) and I'm getting an early night to be up for EOD in another game.

First order of business, I said I'd be okay voting Mansnicks as an alternate.

I think it's the weakest of my reads and said I was softening on it earlier but tbh it's better than HK by a country mile.

[VOTE: Mansnicks] aubergine

Second-order of business, honestly the push on me is bad and HK (who is in town meta as Alison so helpfully reminds us) is one of my top defenders. I don't know what messed up logic is being pushed but it's a happy situation for scum wherever they are.

@Michelle
Voting Lost doesn't really do anything later, as it's a low-impact spot. See my argument with Scotty as to my take on this.

@osieorb18
Same as above. LostMonkey is a low impact spot which gives plausible deniability to either ignore your push OR jump on.

@Lime Coke
Same as above. Except replace LoMo with Creature. Please vote a relevant for town wagon.

TH completely ignored the fact that he was prosecuted and just stuck in the HK tunnel.

Scum made no attempt to maj. The closest they came to it was Osie, who studiously avoided placing her vote on him. This isn't to say that Ender going after him D1 isn't a good look but I'm probably going to have to reread Scotty's ISO, since he has a good chance of going deep if red.

Some selected quotes below
I wrote a whole paragraph before I remembered a crucial characteristic about Scotty's claim

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jul 20, 2021 7:12 am Also now that he’s dead, I did in fact get an item from Ender yesterday. I just didn’t know if I should trust it.

It’s a gun, and I still don’t know if it’s a Seanzie gun or a Mac gun. Either way, guns haven’t been extremely successful so ima keep it holstered

Scum probably knew this was fake. I'm not getting into that but this is unconvincing bait no matter what way I look at it. The stuff further up is a bit to ingrained and I kinda just want to be done with this post since I had to look for a number of snippets across multiple days

Honestly the fact that I got weaponized at all rather than them playing it on a teammate or something kinda makes me want to re-ev TH but just no, not after being frozen 2 days in a row

Idk but I want to re-ev him and LC before I have to leave today.

There is weird mech stuff going around with Scotty tbh.

Why does the low amount of pressure that is on him on D2 come pretty much entirely from town? Ender outright advocated to keep him alive. Irregardless of his alignment, prosecuter is probably a town ability because of this. Or it was a gambit from Seanzie but there's no way that mafia knew that. Why do I get weaponized almost instantly when he had been claiming to have a gun for hours on day four?

Either way, here's how some relevant people treated him.

Mac and Nanook tried to elim him

Ender boosted him and read him town and tried to keep the yeet off of him

Osie "lightly scumread" him, but kept her vote off of him pretty much the whole time, and raised her read on him to a townlean once it seemed like Scotty was out of danger completely, once his wagon had pretty much collapsed. She made a big deal about how she sussed him but never once seemed to lean towards placing a vote on him, and ignored the fact that he could be majjed at little cost despite ostensibly being her second or third highest scumread towards the start of day. Heck, on day one Osie was doing the same thing despite Scotty being an actual wagon that she could have voted, instead placing a vanity vote on LoMo and trying to gain more support there. Also kinda interesting thing I found here

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Wed Jul 14, 2021 10:06 am Alright this will be my last post. I'm about to go to bed (Midnight my time) and I'm getting an early night to be up for EOD in another game.

First order of business, I said I'd be okay voting Mansnicks as an alternate.

I think it's the weakest of my reads and said I was softening on it earlier but tbh it's better than HK by a country mile.

[VOTE: Mansnicks] aubergine

Second-order of business, honestly the push on me is bad and HK (who is in town meta as Alison so helpfully reminds us) is one of my top defenders. I don't know what messed up logic is being pushed but it's a happy situation for scum wherever they are.

@Michelle
Voting Lost doesn't really do anything later, as it's a low-impact spot. See my argument with Scotty as to my take on this.

@osieorb18
Same as above. LostMonkey is a low impact spot which gives plausible deniability to either ignore your push OR jump on.

@Lime Coke
Same as above. Except replace LoMo with Creature. Please vote a relevant for town wagon.

TH completely ignored the fact that he was prosecuted and just stuck in the HK tunnel.

Scum made no attempt to maj. The closest they came to it was Osie, who studiously avoided placing her vote on him. This isn't to say that Ender going after him D1 isn't a good look but I'm probably going to have to reread Scotty's ISO, since he has a good chance of going deep if red.

Some selected quotes below
I wrote a whole paragraph before I remembered a crucial characteristic about Scotty's claim

Scotty wrote: ↑Tue Jul 20, 2021 7:12 am Also now that he’s dead, I did in fact get an item from Ender yesterday. I just didn’t know if I should trust it.

It’s a gun, and I still don’t know if it’s a Seanzie gun or a Mac gun. Either way, guns haven’t been extremely successful so ima keep it holstered

Scum probably knew this was fake. I'm not getting into that but this is unconvincing bait no matter what way I look at it. The stuff further up is a bit to ingrained and I kinda just want to be done with this post since I had to look for a number of snippets across multiple days

Honestly the fact that I got weaponized at all rather than them playing it on a teammate or something kinda makes me want to re-ev TH but just no, not after being frozen 2 days in a row

Idk but I want to re-ev him and LC before I have to leave today.

I still think that Nanook stole my flavorcard given i have Honey's now and Honey died with Nanook's but w/e

Alison wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 2:11 pm Then the POE of listo/c4/nanook should work. If that doesn't end the game, I'd probably go LC next.

I think I'm off my Mac paranoia, he was time looped, soupkilled and worked to bury Ender D1. LC has comparatively scumsided with pushes a lot more and only has the soupkill to his name. I don't think the soupkill is fake though and I think the 3 person POE just ends the game.

Reading through D1 and D2 I also think I'm off my Mac paranoia

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 11:10 am

Dolby wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 11:05 am I don’t have a good sense of who one after TH would be tbh

I can’t find a way to clear Nook besides “town meta”

So that slot, probably.

Apparently his D1 vote on Ender legitimized his wagon at the time? Would have to double check though

I don’t have a good sense of who one after TH would be tbh

Someone is going to convince me that Listo is town. IMO, the towniest thing about the slot is the sheer number of times it’s voted for and pushed town in a way that is not to mafias advantage

Scotty wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 9:56 am

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Jul 20, 2021 1:14 am TH/Creature/Osi is where I am right now for scum.

Maybe Scotty replaces one of them.

GG could theoretically be in there but it'd have to be on a team without Creature. I honestly don't see her as scum rn.

I mean 2/3 wolves in his last post is pretty mindfucky. There’s no way creature is also wolf, right? I really want to eliminate Creature/c4 from the cutting board just based on this post alone

Ender was actively trying to pivot his vote to GG at this point. Realistically he dies unless I judgement day one of the other two and the other goes down. I think he knows his path for survival is pretty narrow

I do agree that 3/3 is very mindfucky but this guy probably thinks he’s gonna be yeeted that day, and the only way that doesn’t happen is if I shoot Creature if he’s a wolf, or I shoot GG if Creature is town. I think he was surprised that I shot him but yeah

Ender probably is the type of person who thinks that only the vote you place at the end of day matters. I guess what’s more important is that he went for Creature as a wagon when GG clearly had better odds of going over and more support.

So yeah loose agree that Ender going 3/3 is fucked and town indictcstive but I’m concerned that he might have been trying to anti-spew here since the only worlds where he doesn’t go down are me judgement daying GG/Creature and the other being yeeted

TH probably showed TMI when saying that Mac was stuck in a time loop looking back

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 2:26 am Or im like 95% sure its wrong anyways

Give me a reason why I have Honey’s flavoecard then

They died with yours N2

I’m just gonna pass out at this point tbh

Flavor swap information:

Honey flavorswapped Nanook N1

Nanook flavorswapped me N3

Idk if it’s a good or bad move lol

listo95 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 2:10 am

Dolby wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 2:00 am I kinda just vibes through today

I don’t know what day it is lol

The answer is all around you.

Or time is just a construct so it doesn't exist.

Hey Listo.

I’ll read through your ISO I guess

I’m town
HK is town

Alison, Mac, and LC are soup members but I’m worried that it’s fake still.

Still, we haven’t seen a soup attempt since so probably real assuming that LC is town? I think I don’t harbor paranoia towards Alison and just want to say that the solution is that it’s simply real

Scotty… honestly I need to read back on him, particularly wrt his D1 and D2 interactions with Ender. Pretty much up until Enders flip I assumed that Ender placed the man vote on Scotty D2 then decided he was town, but he changed his tune on D2 when he could have gunned that maj up. Still, he did create Scotty as a counter wagon to himself and HK, who was never getting yeeted, at a critical point on D1. That in and of itself is a good look and Scotty has had good WIM throughout the game

Tbh I’m working from memory and want to pass out.

Will try to put on solving hat tomorrow but I just want to coast

I want to re-ex LC particularly to make sure that I’m fine clearing them for soup

c4e5g3d5 wrote: ↑Sun Jul 25, 2021 1:22 am Gameplan looks like

Sleepwalk through TH
Continue to bury LC
Get dunked by Mac but people actually read my legacy for once
Congratulations to the Mafia team (EnderWiggin, listo95, MartinGG99, Michelle, NANOOKTHECONQUEROR)

Why is TH not on the scum team list?

Also, I think that the Michelle flip is accurate but this is more due to personal level reads on how Osie and Ender (the later in particular) want to interact with teammate Michelle than anything

I doubt that’s particularly relevant but yeah

I am kinda concerned that the silence on Mac might be fake but receiving the D2 gun was pretty towny

Probably just paranoid

I kinda just vibes through today

I don’t know what day it is lol

If you can somehow watch day actions find out who visited me

Idk I came here in case there was an emergency but there isn’t

Will turn up solving about 16 hours into night

Pretty much the whole town list is the Martin wagon

Tbh Nanook can be higher PoE for D1 vote placement but I’m really phoning it in rn

I’d add C4 to a probs town list

Martin and TH have been frozen for 24+ hours

Irregardless of other factors (TH’s push on HK D2, Martin’s weird posting, not the best looks in Michelle/Osie interactions) they’re probs red for that

Dolby wrote: ↑Wed Jul 21, 2021 11:47 pm Honey was flavorswapped N1

I have no idea the flavor swap direction and if Honey was the instigator but yeah.

Literally the only thing that gives me pause on Scotty is that I think Ender wanted him alive

HK is just good
Alison is good + townie mindset
I’ll trust the mod confirm on Flea

There’s an edge world where Mac is scum I guess but I don’t really see it
Lime Coke I plan to reread soon. I’m not convinced that a 4 person attempted soup that had Mac as ascentic was real

Beyond that I think that Martin’s activity is super whack

So yeah I’m coasting

Scotty wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 2:25 pm Wait ok there’s some ability that Dolby wasn’t aware of that gave a gun to Mac, which lobotomized him. Ima call that the Lobotomy Gun.

Dolby received 1 of 3 guns: 1 HK denies receiving. I’ll call that the Invisible Gun. 1 Dolby used normally. I’ll call that the Bwap Bwap Gun. 1 Seanzie blew up with. I’ll call that the Horseshoe Gun. Those all seem to be from one ability.

Haven’t heard of anyone else receiving a gun, so I’m dubious there are any more gun powers. There’s also a chance mac was the redirected recipient of a gun where HK should have received it.
When Ender gave me a random ability- which I guess I’ll buy- if I received the power that gives out 3 guns I would expect someone else to have used it. So I’d like to think I probably have a…Lobotomy Gun.

That probably doesn’t help town if I use it lol

Dammit I really wanna be useful

For clarity, HK and Seanzie’s guns came from the same source. Mine came from a different source

Get baited

a status effect was just applied onto me such that I would be required to shoot today if I had a gun

I do not actually have a gun

High key if Michelle’s alignment is up for debate, I think day 1 interactions between Michelle/Ender were what the two could do as w/w and high key something that Ender would actively enjoy doing

Btw I have another gun

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Wed Jul 21, 2021 1:04 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Wed Jul 21, 2021 11:33 am I don't think there's any evidence pointing towards Ender being town. For Ender to be town, either Dolby is scum with a daykill and a faked soup on himself, or Dolby was insanified and Ender was death-framed. Both possibilities seem unlikely.

clearly there's some fuckery about though. Case in point my red on TSP. That wasn't faked yet he flipped town. So either I was insane but didn't know it, or TSP flipped wrong, or someone else impacted that investigation.

Also that I thought you received a gun but probably for the best given Seanzie and yours came from the same source

Honey was flavorswapped N1

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Jul 20, 2021 1:06 am I'm town.

JUDGEMENT DAY

@Guillotine

If I die for this it was to cause chaos in the last 10 hours of day and I regret that and not coming here earlier but frankly I think that this is the shot that best improves the thread State, and only one different shot that I’d even consider taking would change the outcome of today.

If Ender is not lying (and thus is town) I die, frankly I think this is a pretty likely outcome but I think confirmed town Ender is pretty good for the thread if there really is no night kill tonight, and the only outcome that I think is likely to lead to Ender not being yeeted is a Creature red flip.

If Ender is mafia and lying, he dies.

I do not consider myself confirmed from the soup attempt. I think it’s possible that scum were using it to WIFOM or maybe try to force a clear (likely LC in that world). The trouble with looking at that mafia just could’ve submitted a less obvious fake on one of their own rather than “Mac: ascentic”

Glgl

If/when I flip town better move off him

I want to go on GG but I’m worried that the statements are to ambiguous

Hi Ender.

Only content that I’ve found to attempt a alignment-confirmed kill is from Creature and GG

Which should die iyo