The Syndicate

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Jul 17, 2022 7:15 pm
Dolby wrote: ↑Sun Jul 17, 2022 6:59 pm honestly ill just

[VOTE: Rondo] aubergine

i don't REALLY think it's right but im having a hard time thinking anything is right
obvs running out of time but ok. You are thinking myself, Wigly, and Porscha are some level of clear from Moon spew, right? That would leave yourself (obvs you're not going to push there), Ender, and Rondo. And you've been on Ender for a long time.

If your clears are right, and you are not a wolf, then it follows that chopping between Ender, Rondo, and Falcon gets the wolf 100% of the time, and gets the wolf today 33% of the time. I feel like those are odds worth taking especially given your level of confidence on the clears.

If I'm misrepresenting or misunderstanding your level of confidence in those clears let me know, but currently I'm in agreement with you on them.

So speaking to this

My biggest fear was being in an f3 with Ender and Wilgy bc I’m on the table and have Wilgy as not fully clear so it’s an actually nebulous f3 with three options

I don’t think that I’m ever letting Falcon live but that really does explain why I didn’t really think it was anybody lol

Lol us

honestly ill just

[VOTE: Rondo] aubergine

i don't REALLY think it's right but im having a hard time thinking anything is right

we actually have 35 minutes but i get ya

i might vote falcon to keep shenanigans from happening

i don't have a real take on him, him being less involved than backyard baseball is MAYBE a good look but

don't want someoen going "haha trolled" and voting someone i don't want last second

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Jul 17, 2022 5:45 pm @Dolby do you think remaining wolf kills Mac from fear of him having the solve, ability to reach the solve, or vengeance for moon?

I think they probably feared him reaching the solve.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sun Jul 17, 2022 5:30 pm @Dolby You started the game claiming Ender is a wolf. Have you ever wavered from that stance?
Obvs I can read your ISO but if you could walk me through why/how you started with your Ender sus and then work forward from there I'd appreciate it.

i mean if you're talking about d2 i simply thought that ender made the most sense as a moonwink partner and was more likely w than falcon and rondo

if you mean why i started the game saying "ender is the entire wolf team" that was just me having fun and i did not believe that

To be clear I mean we shouldn’t vote sleep

Not that I sus HK

HK sleeping bad here

Oh damn guys looks like we have to rush day

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Jul 17, 2022 1:52 am
Dolby wrote: ↑Sun Jul 17, 2022 1:47 am ender there is one thing that i do want you to do, and that's evaluate that we aren't wrong on wilgy probs being town
Not likely?

There was very noticeable salt from Moonwink at Wilgy.

...

Now I'm thinking about how that could be hellbus and Moon was annoyed at it.

yeah this was

partially my thoughts as well

im just gonna crash tbh

it's d2 and dizzy is still the highest poster

sorry dizzy

ender there is one thing that i do want you to do, and that's evaluate that we aren't wrong on wilgy probs being town

I should note that Ender still isn't allowed to claim that I'm pocketing him

bc you're saying that i was pushing an agenda that helped moon

which i don't think i was

actually i guess i can see how it could feel that i was treating her with kids gloves bc of that

but i was never moving my vote off of her bc of her mac and porscha reads

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Jul 17, 2022 1:28 am
Dolby wrote: ↑Sun Jul 17, 2022 1:21 am rondo why am i the wolf
Because day 1 I was reading through and you and moon just had this weird vibe together where you were pushing different agendas that were incidentally helping each other. I can't put any post up specifically because I am phone posting and being super lazy but it's my gut read

what

how the fuck was i helping moon

I mean I guess it could be argued that pushing dizzy was bad but ???

but after my initial stretch of posts I was never moving my vote

heck i was actively trying to generate spew from her in some of the later d1 posts

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Jul 17, 2022 1:28 am
Dolby wrote: ↑Sun Jul 17, 2022 1:21 am rondo why am i the wolf
Because day 1 I was reading through and you and moon just had this weird vibe together where you were pushing different agendas that were incidentally helping each other. I can't put any post up specifically because I am phone posting and being super lazy but it's my gut read

what

how the fuck was i helping moon

I mean I guess it could be argued that pushing dizzy was bad but ???

but after my initial stretch of posts I was never moving my vote

heck i was actively trying to generate spew from her in some of the later d1 posts

rondo how confident are you actually in ender v?

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Jul 17, 2022 1:26 am Maybe one in porcha/HK?

lolno

rondo why am i the wolf

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Jul 17, 2022 1:19 am
Dolby wrote: ↑Sun Jul 17, 2022 1:11 am moonwink was a wolf
No I mean 2 total

oh i see what you mean

ender/rondon/falcon is my pool for the last wolf if im just blasting our three yeets in a row

though i have some doubt on wilgy

tbh that is a...

not a towny attitude but certainly not a wolfy one

moonwink was a wolf

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Jul 17, 2022 1:04 am
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sat Jul 16, 2022 11:40 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sat Jul 16, 2022 11:36 pm max one wolf in ender/rondo
:wowee:
Tbh likely 0

who the wolf

actually rereading that justificaiton for moving from mac to porscha I take back thinking that it makes wilgy and moonwink less likely to w/w.

I do think that moonwink moving onto porscha after wilgy looks good for wilgy from a wagonomics perspective though

Porscha wrote: ↑Sun Jul 17, 2022 12:27 am ok dolby so are you mostly town reading wilgy based off his interactions with moon? cuz I don't feel like ender or rondo really had wolf-spewing interactions with moon either, so liiiiiike what's the difference between them

wilgy started scumreading moonwink at a point in time where they looked... recoverable and I think that more posts look good than you do

Porscha wrote: ↑Sun Jul 17, 2022 12:15 am 6) There is no 6.

I cant believe porscha would do this

lock wolf

Porscha wrote: ↑Sun Jul 17, 2022 12:14 am
Dolby wrote: ↑Sun Jul 17, 2022 12:00 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 13, 2022 2:40 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Jul 13, 2022 5:22 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Jul 13, 2022 12:57 am I so much want dizzy to be town that I'm not sold mac, sorry
but yeah i'll vote moon w/e (sorry moon)
[VOTE: Porcha ] aubergine
I'm voting Rondo at lylo 100% of the time. He's town otherwise.
just
noting

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 13, 2022 2:44 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Jul 13, 2022 7:24 am I do want to solve good this game.
Right now we are all cringing, including me.

Most interesting things that has happened so far:
I seriously thought Moon/Ender could be a team before Ender had posted haha.
Dolby triple posted.
Porscha wants me to be town.
Rondo is kind of town reading Ender.
Rondo clearly scum slipped in his percentages; the answer is clearly light blue.
The team is Porscha Dizzy,
I'll call them Pizzy

otherwise Porscha Wink
Pink

I like Pink more than Pizzy, so I'm going to attempt to yeet Pink first.

[VOTE: Porscha] aubergine
explain why porscha was wolf to you on early d1?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 13, 2022 2:47 pm
Moonwink wrote: ↑Wed Jul 13, 2022 9:49 am
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Jul 13, 2022 9:47 am
Moonwink wrote: ↑Wed Jul 13, 2022 9:37 amYou left out the part where Porscha still sheeped Mac on me in spite of wanting you to be town.
As for me/Ender, that would be a pretty dope team, ngl.
She didn't vote me.
I know, that's my point. She voted me to sheep Mac, but didn't vote you.
Wink's return inspired nothing but dread. I am now cowering in the basement with only a candelabra as a weapon to defend myself.
this is actually a very good post and I very much townread, especially when the most recent post from a non-Wilgy player is this
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Wed Jul 13, 2022 2:44 pm moon seems sufficiently perplexed to be town
yeah i like

I also feel that moonwink could have just been following townies susses on porscha, I have to find out how many people were voting porscha, i think besides Wilgy it's one living person at this approximate time before moonwink seriously votes her but I'll have to read rather than skim isos

Moonwink wrote: ↑Wed Jul 13, 2022 2:59 pm I'm moving my vote off of Mac and on to Porscha. I just wanted to troll Mac.
yeah this was done to troll wilgy they aren't teammates

Moonwink wrote: ↑Wed Jul 13, 2022 3:16 pm @DrWilgy, your votes are tilting me. The feel towny, but holy fuck stop voting me.
yeah

I still do feel the need to question Wilgy's sus of Porscha but I think I'm comfortable leaving him as "townlock until f3, lowest level, beneath HK and Porscha"

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 13, 2022 2:53 pm FIRM townreads:
HK
MAC

LOOSE townreads:
Wiggon
Falc
Rondo
man it's weird that the loose townreads tier contains a wolf if he's town tbh

but I think that I can live with it

I think that his interactions with moonwink look good enough

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 13, 2022 3:52 pm
Moonwink wrote: ↑Wed Jul 13, 2022 3:24 pm I don't really have anything to say about Mac at the moment. I got the reaction that I thought I was going to get, but I don't think it's anything I can read into this early. Straight up null.

I've liked my interactions with Dizzy so far in spite of the read I gave out earlier? I'd probably put them higher in my reads list than Mac atm.
I guess let me ask you this, if you were reaction fishing, how do you get the reaction and then feel null.

There's gotta be somethin right?
first person to say anything about null mac, that is a good look
1) why note it?
2) I already said why wilgy thought I was wolf but he does in fact specifically quote something I said and then vote me. I can go find it for you if you want but I'd like to hear wilgy answer it in his own words anyway I guess
3) I also already said earlier the progression on the votes for me and rondo quoted it. rondo voted me, then wilgy, then moon, then moon jumped off, and then rondo moved off me and wilgy was the last one on me but I don't think they had come back to thread at any point after voting me, so.
4) I don't think it was to troll wilgy. I think moon outed themselves as wolf with that post with a BS reason to get off mac and vote me instead.
5) wilgy definitely isn't townlock for me right now idk what you're seeing that i'm not but i'm not seeing it - cuz I dont think, barring the very last quote, that any of wilgy's interactions with moon were particularly townie. last quote sorta is, but it isn't enough for me to townlock
6)

1. wanted to see his progression on rondo given that he said something that i felt implied he was fine with rondo dying today
2. im going through this on my own and I am capable of saying something someone else has already said. but yeah i do want him to say it
3. ok ty. yeah honestly im calling that townspew on you.
4. tbh I think that it might have been a motivation bc wilgy right before that post said that he thought it was you and moonwink, and then switched that vote off of you pretty quick iirc. Like, I think that she may have wanted to go "well how do you feel about your cute little porscha/me team now".
5. well im not voting him over ender/rondo/falcon rn so he gets to be there.

I'm not hammering btw

a majjed minute is a wasted minute

also i probs wont be here for eod

it pains me that I'm at ender/rondo/falcon still

like I could maybe see hk and wilgy, moreso the latter but i think they are good 99% and 95% of the time respective

I wish Johanna was in this game

Then I could call her the entire wolf team and maybe be right

tl;dr wilgy good, below porscha, probably below HK

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 13, 2022 2:40 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Jul 13, 2022 5:22 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Jul 13, 2022 12:57 am I so much want dizzy to be town that I'm not sold mac, sorry
but yeah i'll vote moon w/e (sorry moon)
[VOTE: Porcha ] aubergine
I'm voting Rondo at lylo 100% of the time. He's town otherwise.

just
noting

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 13, 2022 2:44 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Jul 13, 2022 7:24 am I do want to solve good this game.
Right now we are all cringing, including me.

Most interesting things that has happened so far:
I seriously thought Moon/Ender could be a team before Ender had posted haha.
Dolby triple posted.
Porscha wants me to be town.
Rondo is kind of town reading Ender.
Rondo clearly scum slipped in his percentages; the answer is clearly light blue.
The team is Porscha Dizzy,
I'll call them Pizzy

otherwise Porscha Wink
Pink

I like Pink more than Pizzy, so I'm going to attempt to yeet Pink first.

[VOTE: Porscha] aubergine

explain why porscha was wolf to you on early d1?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 13, 2022 2:47 pm
Moonwink wrote: ↑Wed Jul 13, 2022 9:49 am
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Jul 13, 2022 9:47 am
Moonwink wrote: ↑Wed Jul 13, 2022 9:37 amYou left out the part where Porscha still sheeped Mac on me in spite of wanting you to be town.
As for me/Ender, that would be a pretty dope team, ngl.
She didn't vote me.
I know, that's my point. She voted me to sheep Mac, but didn't vote you.
Wink's return inspired nothing but dread. I am now cowering in the basement with only a candelabra as a weapon to defend myself.

this is actually a very good post and I very much townread, especially when the most recent post from a non-Wilgy player is this

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Wed Jul 13, 2022 2:44 pm moon seems sufficiently perplexed to be town

yeah i like

I also feel that moonwink could have just been following townies susses on porscha, I have to find out how many people were voting porscha, i think besides Wilgy it's one living person at this approximate time before moonwink seriously votes her but I'll have to read rather than skim isos

Moonwink wrote: ↑Wed Jul 13, 2022 2:59 pm I'm moving my vote off of Mac and on to Porscha. I just wanted to troll Mac.

yeah this was done to troll wilgy they aren't teammates

Moonwink wrote: ↑Wed Jul 13, 2022 3:16 pm @DrWilgy, your votes are tilting me. The feel towny, but holy fuck stop voting me.

yeah

I still do feel the need to question Wilgy's sus of Porscha but I think I'm comfortable leaving him as "townlock until f3, lowest level, beneath HK and Porscha"

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 13, 2022 2:53 pm FIRM townreads:
HK
MAC

LOOSE townreads:
Wiggon
Falc
Rondo

man it's weird that the loose townreads tier contains a wolf if he's town tbh

but I think that I can live with it

I think that his interactions with moonwink look good enough

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 13, 2022 3:52 pm
Moonwink wrote: ↑Wed Jul 13, 2022 3:24 pm I don't really have anything to say about Mac at the moment. I got the reaction that I thought I was going to get, but I don't think it's anything I can read into this early. Straight up null.

I've liked my interactions with Dizzy so far in spite of the read I gave out earlier? I'd probably put them higher in my reads list than Mac atm.
I guess let me ask you this, if you were reaction fishing, how do you get the reaction and then feel null.

There's gotta be somethin right?

first person to say anything about null mac, that is a good look

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Jul 13, 2022 10:33 am
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Jul 13, 2022 7:21 am
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Jul 13, 2022 7:19 am
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Jul 13, 2022 7:17 am
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Jul 13, 2022 7:16 am
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Jul 13, 2022 7:14 am Also, as I'm sure you are all aware, if we mischop with both our chops today, tomorrow is Lylo! :wowee:
Thats why I am voting you
So what you're saying is, you're mafia?
There is a 20% chance you are right. There is a 20% chance I am right
Actually, it's more like 28,6 % I'm right. So I win.
So you guys are teammates, eh? Kewl

[VOTE: Dizzy] aubergine [VOTE: Rondo] aubergine

I don't actually think this is wolfy, but im pretty sure these were the two biggest non moonwink wagons
this would be comical

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Sat Jul 16, 2022 4:03 pm
Dolby wrote: ↑Sat Jul 16, 2022 1:15 am Tbh if it’s not Ender it’s Rondo and if it’s not them it’s Falcon

I should probs read through Wilgy again but yeah
Why is it not me or Porscha?

Porscha is town bc of interactions from both sides, the way that Porscha tried to make something out of the half sheep before she was buried was telling, me and Porscha during the middle of d1 were in the thread at the same time and independent of Porscha alignment I’d think that was good but frankly she just looked so anti aligned with moon from that as well

I kinda cheated and read the rest of the thread, but you know that I’m not clearing you for interactions with Moonwink, I referenced you/Rhand interactions on D1. I simply like your posts in general, you wanting to move off of Dizzy even though you being super town on rondo for a bit was ???. The main good thing with Moon from you is that thing where she “called BS” on you not liking her Mac stuff. The rest of your body of work just looks like town HK, and it looks more town than Wilgy

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Jul 16, 2022 3:25 am
Dolby wrote: ↑Sat Jul 16, 2022 2:49 am
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Jul 14, 2022 6:12 am
Moonwink wrote: ↑Wed Jul 13, 2022 3:32 pm I don't know anything about Rondo. My vote on them was to see how they'd react. I don't have enough data yet to understand how they're playing yet. I'd put them in the Mac+HK cluster, and in that cluster, I think I'd order it HK > Mac > Rondo. HK because, selfishly, I'm going to like people who townread me more. Rondo because I know the least about them.
lol
Can confirm yeah
so moon says hk is town cuz they didnt vote them, since moon had to keep up fake appearances that they were playing the game on total OMGUS to validate their suspicion on me. buuuttt if moon said mac was more town than rondo, and then voted mac, then what does that mean for rondo? does it mean anything

I don’t think that it means anything bc I think that Moonwink decided to just leave a vote on Mac bc lol fun. Mac isn’t a productive vote for her in any world (besides maybe trying to appear towny I guess but it wasn’t towny), so I do not believe it means anything for Rondo.

I think that when initially Moonwink shifted onto rondo she was on for like half an hour before moving back to Mac?

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Jul 14, 2022 6:12 am
Moonwink wrote: ↑Wed Jul 13, 2022 3:32 pm I don't know anything about Rondo. My vote on them was to see how they'd react. I don't have enough data yet to understand how they're playing yet. I'd put them in the Mac+HK cluster, and in that cluster, I think I'd order it HK > Mac > Rondo. HK because, selfishly, I'm going to like people who townread me more. Rondo because I know the least about them.
lol

Can confirm yeah

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Jul 14, 2022 8:07 am
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Thu Jul 14, 2022 8:03 am
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Thu Jul 14, 2022 8:01 amInteresting choice, wilgy and vanity wagon
...

What do you think of Moon, and what do you think of the genius solve which is me/Moon together? Do you think it's likely?
I dont like Moons Entrance. But they seem comfortable in thread. leaning suspect but they have similar playstyle to me and its unlikely they are trying to match me. null, wait for day 2

This is the only rondo post without a vote in it that makes me feel things

Porscha wrote: ↑Sat Jul 16, 2022 2:36 am sorry my brain is melting: what are you trying to say about rondo here, dolby

Moon didn’t care about Rondo at all in the thread and establishing a read on him,
possibly bc they’re teammates. This is partially related to some stats done on player mentions in champs games that I half remember reading long ago

i will not be voting rondo to keep him from L-1

yes it's not a true concern in a setup with one surviving mafia but still

Moonwink wrote: ↑Wed Jul 13, 2022 9:25 am
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Wed Jul 13, 2022 12:46 am [VOTE: Moon] aubergine

[VOTE: Dizzy] aubergine
Welp. Guess the tea leaves lied to me. :< Not feeling a Mac/Ender team right now.

I think that this is trying to be a "real thought". No take on what it means for ender

Moonwink wrote: ↑Wed Jul 13, 2022 9:27 am
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Jul 13, 2022 5:12 am [VOTE: Rondo Dim Buckle ] aubergine
Coward. :3 But, if you really want this, then...

[VOTE: RondoDimBuckle] aubergine

Moonwink wrote: ↑Wed Jul 13, 2022 9:33 am
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Wed Jul 13, 2022 9:30 am [VOTE: moon ] aubergine
Braver. <3 And I like that you moved your Dizzy vote rather than the Porscha vote. It means I can't call you a coward again for sheeping Mac.

Moonwink wrote: ↑Wed Jul 13, 2022 9:37 am
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Jul 13, 2022 7:24 am I do want to solve good this game.
Right now we are all cringing, including me.

Most interesting things that has happened so far:
I seriously thought Moon/Ender could be a team before Ender had posted haha.
Dolby triple posted.
Porscha wants me to be town.
Rondo is kind of town reading Ender.
Rondo clearly scum slipped in his percentages; the answer is clearly light blue.
You left out the part where Porscha still sheeped Mac on me in spite of wanting you to be town.
As for me/Ender, that would be a pretty dope team, ngl.

porscha is town

idk now that I'm looking at it again I feel that moon could be treating ender like an inactive town that they don't really want to ml

and the moon/ender comment is pretty casual

Moonwink wrote: ↑Wed Jul 13, 2022 10:13 am
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Wed Jul 13, 2022 9:53 am
Moonwink wrote: ↑Wed Jul 13, 2022 9:26 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Wed Jul 13, 2022 12:58 am hell, I put my second vote on HK for fun (for now)
HK vote good.
Moonwink vote bad!
Why do you think the HK vote is good?
It's good compared to the Moonwink vote!

bad teammate dynamics if hk w

Moonwink wrote: ↑Wed Jul 13, 2022 3:06 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 13, 2022 3:02 pm
Moonwink wrote: ↑Wed Jul 13, 2022 2:59 pm I'm moving my vote off of Mac and on to Porscha. I just wanted to troll Mac.
Why Porscha?
porscha v

Moonwink wrote: ↑Wed Jul 13, 2022 3:17 pm
Moonwink wrote: ↑Wed Jul 13, 2022 3:16 pm @DrWilgy, your votes are tilting me. The feel towny, but holy fuck stop voting me.
Don't move it to Dizzy, but at least move the one on me somewhere else.
will look into wilgys posting tomorrow tbh

Moonwink wrote: ↑Wed Jul 13, 2022 3:27 pm I'd probably put Dolby below Mac in my reads for the heavy focus on Ender earlier. It didn't feel natural to me.

HK is on the same level as Mac -- nothing really jumped out as scummy to me, but I also don't feel like I've got much to read off of him just yet.
honestly this is kinda a weird way to treat someone pocketable to a teammate unless you've given up on your own slot for the day... which is possible at this point

moonwink straight up ignored rondo

Moonwink wrote: ↑Wed Jul 13, 2022 3:32 pm I don't know anything about Rondo. My vote on them was to see how they'd react. I don't have enough data yet to understand how they're playing yet. I'd put them in the Mac+HK cluster, and in that cluster, I think I'd order it HK > Mac > Rondo. HK because, selfishly, I'm going to like people who townread me more. Rondo because I know the least about them.

yeah i think that vote count validates my feelings

only person i view as a possible busser is wilgy

Did anyone save the previous VC?

Uh, me, Dizzy, And HK did not vote Dizzy

Ender and Moonwink voted Dozzy

Dizzy ended with 5 votes

I’ll do work tomorrow morning but wrt to Moons push on me, Porscha, I think my slots placement became one of conceivable ML contention (though tbh I thought that Moonwink was dead at that point but they only “won” by one) and that was why I was pushed. I think Moon was my third or fourth vote?

I’m ngl this comes from not remembering my most Wilgy posts

I think Wilgy could be re eved but yeah

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