The Syndicate

Also well done Marmot, that fake red check was Ace, but definitely dangerous in a majority game.

Wiml wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 1:51 pm

MissSparkles wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 1:48 pm

Wiml wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 1:36 pm I feel the need to clarify that the above post was to say "unless it wasn't a joke" and not me threatening to scare Sparkles off for good.

Why would you scare me off for good?

Fewer good players for my next wolf rand! All part of my master plan honestly.

But wait, what if we’re both

Wiml wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 1:36 pm I feel the need to clarify that the above post was to say "unless it wasn't a joke" and not me threatening to scare Sparkles off for good.

Why would you scare me off for good?

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 11:48 am For the record, I got green peeks on Sparkles and Creature, and then a red peek on myself by game's end

U didn’t really need to cop check ne Narmy c’mon mannnn

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 7:58 pm

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 7:54 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 7:47 pm

Gavial wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 7:43 pm Yeah so I was gonna make awards and whatever stuff for this game.
Like Banners.
But after I realized on how town sided this setup is I decided not to but I will do it in future games.

Anyway TonyStarkPrime has been executed! He was the Anti-Day Cop Traitor

Town Wins!

I'm not entirely sure it's that townsided honestly. How would the game have gone if say 112, Mac, Marmot, Sparky were the traitors?

if the setup has no roles it's pretty clearly townsided and even if the day cop is just an innocent child that removes any potential problems from the exile mechanic

I think it was townsided but it looks more townsided than it really is because the town played pretty good

Would town again absolutely

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 7:47 pm

Gavial wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 7:43 pm Yeah so I was gonna make awards and whatever stuff for this game.
Like Banners.
But after I realized on how town sided this setup is I decided not to but I will do it in future games.

Anyway TonyStarkPrime has been executed! He was the Anti-Day Cop Traitor

Town Wins!

I'm not entirely sure it's that townsided honestly. How would the game have gone if say 112, Mac, Marmot, Sparky were the traitors?

Well I definitely wouldn’t have fought going too exile like I did. Lol

That was my town tell this game

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 6:47 pm

KZA wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 6:39 pm TSP if you flip town I won't be mad because yeeting TSP is always funny

be funny if it was just his way of getting off the ride

LMAO imagine

Wiml wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 1:35 pm

MissSparkles wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 1:26 pm Thanks for the game, i’ll be back to tunnel Mac again at some poibt, loljk

Unless...

Unless wut

Thanks for the game, i’ll be back to tunnel Mac again at some poibt, loljk

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 7:48 pm @MissSparkles the game is over you can stop tunneling me now.

Aww but it was so much fun

Idk I wasn’t here, so we’re betting the game earlier on KZA then we need too? Why exactly!?

Can we all just quick vote Wiml too exile? Cause I’m pretty much ready for F3 now.

Don’t think he is, but yea.

Out of those two, I’d probably bet the game on Wiml/would rather lose to them if they’re traitor.

Our chop order*

K cool so if it’s Wiml/KZA we’re collectively going with then what’s our chop, then we can just wait a week for our result, instead of just jumping to an immediate F3, joy.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 9:18 am You're tilting me so hard Sparky...

Sorry I’m not trying too

Creature wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 9:17 am

MissSparkles wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 9:15 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:56 am

Creature wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:54 am Aw man idk what to do next

It doesn't fucking matter as long as KZA and Wiml are town. Exile wiml next. Chop me and then follow my list if the host won't do it for us.

Agsin why are you calling the shots here, we should leave that job to cop confirmed and has caught traitors throughout the game Marmot, bcz he’s been town’s best player here and is confirmed town:

I know for sure that there's at least one town within KZA/Wiml

You can do that with any 2 players, I don’t understand this post, isn’t that obvious?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 9:16 am

Poison wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:41 am Yo. I'll be ready to play in an hour.

i have bad news for you

Lmao

So we collectively decide the chop order and Marmot makes sure it happens

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 9:12 am

MissSparkles wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 9:11 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 9:09 am How is me townreading the Murphy guy scummy? The dude was just completely whatever. And I wouldn't have known he was a traitor even if I was one. Your points of concern don't make any sense.

I'd probably be more bothered by them but you're not endgaming anyway so if all of this is you attempting to endgame as the anticop its an exercise in futility.

His post were clearly from a first time scummer playing with no teammates to guide him, did you even read them?

I read the first couple and found them delightful. But then he said some dumb shit about me being bad so I just let him die.

So you didn’t actually read them from a viewpoint of a towny gotcha.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:56 am

Creature wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:54 am Aw man idk what to do next

It doesn't fucking matter as long as KZA and Wiml are town. Exile wiml next. Chop me and then follow my list if the host won't do it for us.

Agsin why are you calling the shots here, we should leave that job to cop confirmed and has caught traitors throughout the game Marmot, bcz he’s been town’s best player here and is confirmed town:

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 9:10 am

MissSparkles wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 9:08 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 9:06 am

MissSparkles wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 9:04 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 9:03 am

MissSparkles wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 9:02 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 9:00 am

*Benny Hill theme*

What!? Again just not answering?

Where is the question?

You really had nothing to say about the traitor strategy for this gamestate??

The traitor strategy for this gamestate is to be KZA or lose the game.

The goal is to get too being the KZA and chopping everyone ekse like it’s your factional kill along the way.

Sparky. I do not give a fuck if I am first to die as long as Wiml and KZA are in the f3. Literally. Zero fucks.

YOU DON’T GET TO DECIDE THIS YOURSELF NO MATTER WHO YOU THINK YOU ARE/TOWN AS A WHOLE MAKES THAT DECISION NOT JUST YOU.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 9:09 am How is me townreading the Murphy guy scummy? The dude was just completely whatever. And I wouldn't have known he was a traitor even if I was one. Your points of concern don't make any sense.

I'd probably be more bothered by them but you're not endgaming anyway so if all of this is you attempting to endgame as the anticop its an exercise in futility.

His post were clearly from a first time scummer playing with no teammates to guide him, did you even read them?

Let’s just end the game right now if we’re just gonna bet it on KZA?

Our final two is KZA/Marmot, did we win @Gavial

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 9:06 am

MissSparkles wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 9:04 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 9:03 am

MissSparkles wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 9:02 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 9:00 am

MissSparkles wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 9:00 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:54 am

Because before I die I will demand the rest of these players ignore everything you say and just blindly chop you and in this gamestate they will just comply.

Cool. I’m gonna leave the same legacy if I happen to flip first. Wait, I can’t cause no one has ever played with me before do they won’t just comply. This is why you’re wolf, posts like this are the only way you’ll get a town to think you’re tiwn.

Ou he wants to he chopped eventually; so towny, then it never actually happens, town lose and they ask themselves why every single time, i’ve seen it with Magic, Dizzy and Myself numerous times to know what the play is here to look town.

*Benny Hill theme*

What!? Again just not answering?

Where is the question?

You really had nothing to say about the traitor strategy for this gamestate??

The traitor strategy for this gamestate is to be KZA or lose the game.

The goal is to get too being the KZA and chopping everyone ekse like it’s your factional kill along the way.

Creature wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 9:04 am Not sure if I'm going to take lead at anything anymore

Why? You took the lead on Awut and KGM right? Why is one bad read outweighing the two good ones for you.

If anything you’re opinion here matters to me

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 9:04 am

Live scenes from Sparky's house

Hey get out of my house, creep!

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 9:03 am

MissSparkles wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 9:02 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 9:00 am

MissSparkles wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 9:00 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:54 am

MissSparkles wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:52 am

MissSparkles wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:43 am

Welp if that’s all it would take then being scum here will be eazy peazy.

So why does a thunder dome here lead to my death? As a traitor.

Because you’ll eventually flip town and i’m doomed, what makes u think i can’t talk my way out of it?

Because before I die I will demand the rest of these players ignore everything you say and just blindly chop you and in this gamestate they will just comply.

Cool. I’m gonna leave the same legacy if I happen to flip first. Wait, I can’t cause no one has ever played with me before do they won’t just comply. This is why you’re wolf, posts like this are the only way you’ll get a town to think you’re tiwn.

Ou he wants to he chopped eventually; so towny, then it never actually happens, town lose and they ask themselves why every single time, i’ve seen it with Magic, Dizzy and Myself numerous times to know what the play is here to look town.

*Benny Hill theme*

What!? Again just not answering?

Where is the question?

You really had nothing to say about the traitor strategy for this gamestate??

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 9:00 am

MissSparkles wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 9:00 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:54 am

MissSparkles wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:52 am

MissSparkles wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:43 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:38 am

MissSparkles wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:36 am

Semantics are important when you consider your opinion is valued here, I’ve been open too other targets.

Why am I so towny to you? I’m generally not read town a lot except by scum trying to pocket me; just ask Dizzy.

Because traitor sparky has zero to gain from pushing me the way that you are. At this point you would know I am town due to all the other traitors being dead. Therefore your essentially just creating a thunderdome between a town and yourself that will invariably lead to your death.

Welp if that’s all it would take then being scum here will be eazy peazy.

So why does a thunder dome here lead to my death? As a traitor.

Because you’ll eventually flip town and i’m doomed, what makes u think i can’t talk my way out of it?

Because before I die I will demand the rest of these players ignore everything you say and just blindly chop you and in this gamestate they will just comply.

Cool. I’m gonna leave the same legacy if I happen to flip first. Wait, I can’t cause no one has ever played with me before do they won’t just comply. This is why you’re wolf, posts like this are the only way you’ll get a town to think you’re tiwn.

Ou he wants to he chopped eventually; so towny, then it never actually happens, town lose and they ask themselves why every single time, i’ve seen it with Magic, Dizzy and Myself numerous times to know what the play is here to look town.

*Benny Hill theme*

What!? Again just not answering?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:57 am

Creature wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:56 am Why is Wiml being so townread? I only know them from the plan but that's a thing traitor could still do.

Ur cray. Wiml town. Always.

Wiml essentially started the game fully transparently trying to figure out the correct tactics to solve it. Then just has done nothing scummy at all.

Yea he even said scum takes he would never say as traitor and that felt very genuine tbh.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:54 am

MissSparkles wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:52 am

MissSparkles wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:43 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:38 am

MissSparkles wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:36 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:31 am

MissSparkles wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:30 am

Fair. I’m not really tunneling though, sure, you’re at the top of ny list but I’ve literally just considered everyone, how is that tunnelling?

I don't care about semantics. Pushing me, hard, incorrectly, tunneling. Call it whatever.

Semantics are important when you consider your opinion is valued here, I’ve been open too other targets.

Why am I so towny to you? I’m generally not read town a lot except by scum trying to pocket me; just ask Dizzy.

Because traitor sparky has zero to gain from pushing me the way that you are. At this point you would know I am town due to all the other traitors being dead. Therefore your essentially just creating a thunderdome between a town and yourself that will invariably lead to your death.

Welp if that’s all it would take then being scum here will be eazy peazy.

So why does a thunder dome here lead to my death? As a traitor.

Because you’ll eventually flip town and i’m doomed, what makes u think i can’t talk my way out of it?

Because before I die I will demand the rest of these players ignore everything you say and just blindly chop you and in this gamestate they will just comply.

Cool. I’m gonna leave the same legacy if I happen to flip first. Wait, I can’t cause no one has ever played with me before do they won’t just comply. This is why you’re wolf, posts like this are the only way you’ll get a town to think you’re tiwn.

Ou he wants to he chopped eventually; so towny, then it never actually happens, town lose and they ask themselves why every single time, i’ve seen it with Magic, Dizzy and Myself numerous times to know what the play is here to look town.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:49 am I would personally stake the game on Wiml over KZA but they are both probably just town.

See I’d stake the game on Wiml too.

Wiml/Wisdom.

MissSparkles wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:43 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:38 am

MissSparkles wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:36 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:31 am

MissSparkles wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:30 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:25 am @MissSparkles here is why I flopped on you.

1. You keep tunneling me which triggers my default desire to omgus.
2. You seem so obviously townie aside from that so every time I backread I get a townread.

Net result. Flip flop.

Fair. I’m not really tunneling though, sure, you’re at the top of ny list but I’ve literally just considered everyone, how is that tunnelling?

I don't care about semantics. Pushing me, hard, incorrectly, tunneling. Call it whatever.

Semantics are important when you consider your opinion is valued here, I’ve been open too other targets.

Why am I so towny to you? I’m generally not read town a lot except by scum trying to pocket me; just ask Dizzy.

Because traitor sparky has zero to gain from pushing me the way that you are. At this point you would know I am town due to all the other traitors being dead. Therefore your essentially just creating a thunderdome between a town and yourself that will invariably lead to your death.

Welp if that’s all it would take then being scum here will be eazy peazy.

So why does a thunder dome here lead to my death? As a traitor.

Because you’ll eventually flip town and i’m doomed, what makes u think i can’t talk my way out of it?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:40 am This whole thing is an exercise in futility. If we all agree to the plan of "Wiml and KZA and Marmot go to f3". Can we just say so and let the host flip everyone outside those people? @Gavial?

You think we’re gonna agree on a F3? I mean this would most deff spare me some time lmao, i’m all for it lol

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:38 am

MissSparkles wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:36 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:31 am

MissSparkles wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:30 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:25 am @MissSparkles here is why I flopped on you.

1. You keep tunneling me which triggers my default desire to omgus.
2. You seem so obviously townie aside from that so every time I backread I get a townread.

Net result. Flip flop.

Fair. I’m not really tunneling though, sure, you’re at the top of ny list but I’ve literally just considered everyone, how is that tunnelling?

I don't care about semantics. Pushing me, hard, incorrectly, tunneling. Call it whatever.

Semantics are important when you consider your opinion is valued here, I’ve been open too other targets.

Why am I so towny to you? I’m generally not read town a lot except by scum trying to pocket me; just ask Dizzy.

Because traitor sparky has zero to gain from pushing me the way that you are. At this point you would know I am town due to all the other traitors being dead. Therefore your essentially just creating a thunderdome between a town and yourself that will invariably lead to your death.

Welp if that’s all it would take then being scum here will be eazy peazy.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:35 am

MissSparkles wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:32 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:21 am

MissSparkles wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 5:49 am His strategy starts with getting the inactives/LHF chopped, then me probably or Gira, then he creates tinfoil worlds on others.

Would be the mafia win of a lifetime, trust me he wants IT

Chop me next so I don't have to keep cringing.

I mean the question/comment itself wasn’t gonna aspire amazing analysis from my part, why only comment on this and not the other points, no doubt this was the weakest point so maybe that’s why

This is called tunneling. You are forcing yourself to analyse all my play as scummy. You consistently call things that aren't scummy scummy. You don't understand my meta enough to have this read. Everyone else in this game has played with me multiple times. Some dozens. Defer to them. For the sake of your own ego in post game if nothing else.

So which is it? Do I not understand your meta enough? Or am I calling non scummy things scummy? If they’re not scummy in relation to you fine, but that’s not what you said?

I don’t really care if I end being wrong about you, my ego is mostly fake and for shits and gigs, this is just a game, one that I love too play and respect sure, but even if i’m right about you there’s no cash prize lol.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:31 am

MissSparkles wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:30 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:25 am @MissSparkles here is why I flopped on you.

1. You keep tunneling me which triggers my default desire to omgus.
2. You seem so obviously townie aside from that so every time I backread I get a townread.

Net result. Flip flop.

Fair. I’m not really tunneling though, sure, you’re at the top of ny list but I’ve literally just considered everyone, how is that tunnelling?

I don't care about semantics. Pushing me, hard, incorrectly, tunneling. Call it whatever.

Semantics are important when you consider your opinion is valued here, I’ve been open too other targets.

Why am I so towny to you? I’m generally not read town a lot except by scum trying to pocket me; just ask Dizzy.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:21 am

MissSparkles wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 5:49 am His strategy starts with getting the inactives/LHF chopped, then me probably or Gira, then he creates tinfoil worlds on others.

Would be the mafia win of a lifetime, trust me he wants IT

Chop me next so I don't have to keep cringing.

I mean the question/comment itself wasn’t gonna aspire amazing analysis from my part, why only comment on this and not the other points, no doubt this was the weakest point so maybe that’s why

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 8:25 am @MissSparkles here is why I flopped on you.

1. You keep tunneling me which triggers my default desire to omgus.
2. You seem so obviously townie aside from that so every time I backread I get a townread.

Net result. Flip flop.

Fair. I’m not really tunneling though, sure, you’re at the top of ny list but I’ve literally just considered everyone, how is that tunnelling?

So you think it’s Long Con then?

Gira’s foolproof mech plan originally constituted of sending the cop every day, which I mean yea it would work but we needed the cop’s info in the beginning to get where we are now.

The send a different person each time is a better idea, and if we run out of options then we just send Marmot lol.

So yea that about covers everything, peace out ya’ll

Long Con said the same thing I did re: KZA, last ditch effort? Maybe but you always yeet him before F3 regardless so i’m more inclined to think we’re just mindmelding

Personally I’d rather bank this on Wisdom/Wiml/Creature then KZA but that’s just me.

KZA could’ve performed some pro scum theatre plus everything I said pre that fake red check being used on him tbh.

So Creature has the Poison is anti day cop who checked himself spec that lead to a ML. That’s about it, he’s been leading town well apart from that, wouldn’t yeet rn.

Mac Has his interactions with me and no reason for his pushes on me whatsoever and for calling me town then scum then town again with no reasons given. Protected KGMurphy and townread them! Jumped at a chance to go too exile with a traitor still alice (exile win was technically still possible then).

Gira has not voting KGM also and the send one player to exile idea which is meh. Been pretty lacklustre after day 1 too.

You’re just too set on never KZA, but you probably just repped in as A favour and don’t really care, this tracks as town.

LC needs to be yeeted at some point, but if he originally drew anti day cop originally then I highly doubt he plays this way, too wolf to be wolf, too lazy all game long, with no feeling of excitement from him whatsoever, probably town.

Talked about Wisdom and why I have them town already tbh.

Wiml mech solved exile pretty early on. Probably town.

Marmy is the cop; and it’s not me so

I think we gotta stop looking at LHF and start thinking about the plays the active players have done snd the scum motive behind them, that’s probably how we will catch them.

Rather then just give up by not posting cause red check

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 6:57 am But I think “chop everyone not named KZA” is a winning play

I’d rather go with chop anyone not named Marmot/Wisdom but sure, hell I have Wiml as more likely town then KZA.

Is KZA really not capable of faking that? Are fake red checks a thing here? Cause if it is then maybe she prepared herself for that possibility?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Jun 12, 2021 6:57 am But I think “chop everyone not named KZA” is a winning play

Sure, if we don’t believe KZA can fake that and go with the only possibility they have of getting out of that situation day 2. Aka pretend you we’re framed. Welcome to scum theatre.

I just feel like no one cares, this game won’t win itself, we need pushes.