The Syndicate

I might vote Creature to save Alison and don't know how I feel about that if votes don't move though

I'm probably staying on Syn.
If they actually believe that Alison is a wolf, then they've nothing to try to convince anyone else of that. I'm not super confident that Syn is a wolf though by any stretch.

Hyena wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 5:49 pm You don't seem very comfortable with either choice. Why did you tell me it wasn't crazy to want to go for one of those two over other people?

It's both. I don't think it's crazy and I'm not comfortable with either choice.

Hyena is the only person I trust on Alison.

Deli wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 5:45 pm
Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 5:43 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 5:36 pm
Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 5:16 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 5:14 pm This is going to sound crazy, but I think I genuinely want to go for either Esooa or Alison.
It's not crazy. I'd probably choose Alison at this point. Earlier I would have gone Esooa.
Alright, I think I know what I want to do, but talk me through why you'd want to choose Alison over Esooa right now really quick if you can.

I think Esooa has been villagery since she arrived in the thread today. I got paranoid about her "whelmedness" and was starting to think she has been "underwhelming"-- and now I'm sufficiently whelmed. The game-solvinesss seems genuine enough.
Alison-- idk. I still think Alison is good too but I don't know what she's capable of. I also thought she responded well to pressure too but her game fits as a wolf more than esooa's now I think between the two of them.
I also think it's right to be paranoid about them both so I do feel you here.
Is this a way of saying there are missing perturbations creating negative space?
Jokes aside— Hedgy post tbh

It's not a joke. It was a good read on me and it's a good way of thinking about people-- especially people like esooa/me-- you too/ Birdman etc.

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 5:45 pm This heavy resistance to moving off my wagon shows at least one of the wolves are at danger of being lynched if town decides to move elsewhere.

wolfy

Deli wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 5:26 pm You’re saying that because we have played together a lot I should be holding off reading you until later? I think I can read you and I think I have read you well this far… or are you saying I have bad reads and shouldn’t trust myself?

I'm saying that if you're a villager and think you can read me then you haven't given any indication of that here. You should be able to read me as many games as you've modded recently.

Hyena wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 5:36 pm
Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 5:16 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 5:14 pm This is going to sound crazy, but I think I genuinely want to go for either Esooa or Alison.
It's not crazy. I'd probably choose Alison at this point. Earlier I would have gone Esooa.
Alright, I think I know what I want to do, but talk me through why you'd want to choose Alison over Esooa right now really quick if you can.

I think Esooa has been villagery since she arrived in the thread today. I got paranoid about her "whelmedness" and was starting to think she has been "underwhelming"-- and now I'm sufficiently whelmed. The game-solvinesss seems genuine enough.
Alison-- idk. I still think Alison is good too but I don't know what she's capable of. I also thought she responded well to pressure too but her game fits as a wolf more than esooa's now I think between the two of them.
I also think it's right to be paranoid about them both so I do feel you here.

Deli wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 5:22 pm
Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 5:22 pm
Deli wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 5:20 pm Perhaps my wolf team of nanook/creature/LB is not right unless we think creature busses nanook here?
I would expect that if there were a wolf amongst the people who know how I play, they would want to keep me very much on the table and not allow the new people who don't know me to just clear me. fwiw..
I don’t follow what you’re saying here

It seems a little weird that you're still calling me a wolf.

Deli wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 5:21 pm Weird double post mobile sucks for this site

yeah I've done it a couple times and the weird random bold stuff happens to. Otherwise this software better than 2p2.

Deli wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 5:20 pm Perhaps my wolf team of nanook/creature/LB is not right unless we think creature busses nanook here?

I would expect that if there were a wolf amongst the people who know how I play, they would want to keep me very much on the table and not allow the new people who don't know me to just clear me. fwiw..

Hyena wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 5:14 pm This is going to sound crazy, but I think I genuinely want to go for either Esooa or Alison.

It's not crazy. I'd probably choose Alison at this point. Earlier I would have gone Esooa.

Esooa wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 5:00 pm oh okay

anyways deli cares enough about cover that they provided it in a closed game with no confirmation there was a cop so idk why they didn't today

Well they found a peek real quickly so that's interesting

Hyena wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 5:10 pm Did Kami post again after Kami v Alison?

Barely

[VOTE: Syn] aubergine
idk

I was referring to the fingersplits post and not Deli not giving peeks

well that's villagery

ejjinami wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 1:01 pm I have an exam tomorrow, I’ve been cramming to it since a while. I’m trying to clear up 1-2 hours to play before EoD and I think it should be possible so I’ll ignore the thread for a bit longer and just try to finish my stuff.

Anyway, I’ve skimmed through the thread… My reads suck lol
I don’t really find the new people who posted scummy either, which means that my previous town-reads likely mean pretty much nothing.
I still THINK I shouldn’t be wrong on luckbox… they seem just really damn pure
and hyena is my N0 check. I don’t really feel like writing more about it tbh

@luckbox not all player metas are the same. There are players who normally post in a weird or anti-town way and I’m obviously not gonna read every single one of them based on common sense lol. I’ve played with hyena as both alignments before and know more or less what he considers townie/helpful behavior
From what I’ve seen this game, he seems to focus on stuff he normally would consider helpful, not stuff people would normally town-read him for, which I thought was townie. The fact that it would normally be considered weird or scummy literally doesn’t matter lol
If you think it’s bullshit, just ask hyena.

As for my other reads, I’m completely dropping them until further reevaluation. I thought I should maybe reread the posts again today but honestly, I’d most likely end up running around in circles, cherrypicking on stuff I never considered AI in the first place…
….aaand I already did it twice xd

PLEASE form wagons. I don’t care who it is, even if it’s on me or my green check, it’s better than doing literally nothing
My reads are usually heavily dependent on the thread-state… there being no focus on anyone will most likely end up in me being crap later on as well
I can’t really prod people seriously now cuz I’m short on time so I’d appreciate if you just did it

@Creature @Deli @falcon45ca @fingersplints @Kami @Nanook @KZA @Syn give me everyone you town-read and the person you want to eliminate most today. with reasons.

Cooperation would be greatly appreciated.

this was a good post

Esooa wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 4:49 pm I'm fine with killing Allison/ejj/finger rn

I thought EJJ responded pretty villagery today

Deli wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 4:48 pm
Syn wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 3:00 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 2:56 pm if we're uncomfortable with creature maybe we just kill syn. Kinda don't want to kill ejj today. Maybe fingersplits too tbh cause why not
alternatively, we could chop open-wolfing Alison

I’d ask why you think Alison is openwolfing but I doubt you’d give an explanation -_-

I tried and failed

The idea of Deli as a wolf is fun

Esooa wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 4:28 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 4:27 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 4:25 pm I was wondering why Ejj stopped making unassociatives and I realized it was after Hyena said they do that as scum. I thin them stopping after that is very scummy
Finally a reasonable post.
I'd say your turn but lol

rofl.
For whatever reason I'm liking Creature now fwiw

Esooa wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 4:10 pm I think Nanooks recent posting is fine

agreed

[VOTE: fingersplits] aubergine

I'd probably vote Fingersplits and pray at this point.
Creature and Esooa (esp Esooa) look good from their fight here imo.

Esooa wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 3:48 pm yes I promise and now it's time to take my leave

Bye

Yeet creature idgaf

Esooa wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 3:41 pm who fucking knows why I think someone who literally trust told for years might slank because they don't want to play mafia, honestly just definitionally incorrect the read is so bad

wait what?

Esooa wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 3:41 pm if we're killing within people's checks today it's Nanook every time anyways so yeah

We can't not in these games. It's too often the case that more than half the village has peeks.

Game got sort of hard

Esooa wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 3:31 pm my only problem with lucbox atm is that he has few legitimate scum reads. I expect more day 2/3

I'm good at clearing villagers and less good at thinking people are wolves for spurious reasons.

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 3:23 pm I townread Creature for effort but then people who've played with him came in and said it was well within scum range so shrug. Syn seemed like he was genuinely annoyed at my play which is the reason I'd rather go Creature over him. I also think he tends to go for the path of least resistance as mafia and trying to push me is not that. This isn't a full clear of him but it is enough to prefer Creature over him today.

Kami having zero motivation to do anything or solve after that tunnel on me is obscenely scummy and the only reason I'm not pushing there is that Esooa is right that we should exe outside the hypos for today.

Missed this post just now and ok. After reading a Creature wolf game, this isn't anything like that so I'm no longer inclined to kill him today.
I'd guess esooa is a wolf before Kami but don't feel confident there either. It can still also be just Kami. Waiting to see.

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 3:23 pm Not gonna be around for EOD as usual. You kids have fun. I've made my thoughts and solve pretty clear throughout this phase.

You seem to have backed off on Kami and you're voting Creature now after clearing him earlier. So they could be a bit clearer imo

Syn wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 3:22 pm you mean the vote I've had on Alison for most of this phase?

Some of your thought process here would be extremely helpful fwiw.

Syn wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 3:00 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 2:56 pm if we're uncomfortable with creature maybe we just kill syn. Kinda don't want to kill ejj today. Maybe fingersplits too tbh cause why not
alternatively, we could chop open-wolfing Alison

Can we talk about this? Why do you think she's so wolfy?

Esooa wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 3:06 pmbe paranoid then

I guess that's a good response.

Esooa wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 2:55 pm [VOTE: creature] aubergine

Creature isn't playing anything like he did when I wolfed with him-- where he was talking about players, clearing one of his partners, commenting on lists, calling people wolves, and all of the traditional stuff that people do.

Also Esooa-- I'm paranoid about you now.

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sear ... =25&page=5
Creature giving reads and talking about other players early as a wolf.

Creature wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 1:40 pm Man those wagons are so lazy

I don't know if I want to kill you but I also want to trust that Deli is completely correct. I'm about to read you in Pink Floyd

esooa might actually be a wolf. I'm reading this game: https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/59/p ... ndex7.html
And can see her wolfing here. It's also super interesting this post on Kami

Esooa;57129485 wrote:end of page 8

I'm fine calling Monte town.

Sheeping his read lightly to move SIU to null.

I have enough town reads and apparently Aaron can post fine as well so I'm moving him to null as well.

I think luckbox has been towny but I'll see how it continues

Mets is still pretty town too.

I dislike Kawamii's bravado in her reads but it's probably a personality thing more than anything else.

Either way, Kawamii

DZ got better. Was going to wolf read him pretty strongly for how many times he posted one-off noncontributions but he had a few thoughts I was agreeing with after a few more pages

AMI reminds me strongly of Anni but it's not that hard to do. I still think just from that they're more likely town though

if I didn't mention someone I'm fine killing them

This reads list in general is way more than we've gotten here. And I think if she's a wolf then Kami is a villager and it's TMI.
Kami in this game is more villagery as a wolf than she's been here fwiw. But I sort of think Kami is good here.

Deli wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 12:56 pm
Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 12:45 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 12:38 pm I don't really understand the case on Ejj tbh. I think their posting has been fine.
It can be total tinfoil but the "over-clearing" stuff I think is wolfy in a vacuum.
The argument is basically that the "work" she's done itt has been busy-work. And there is also tone stuff that just seems off to me.
Who do you think they are over clearing? Because I thought they were over clearing you lol you’re a wolf

I was thinking everything they've done is over-clearing. I also really like the last post a lot and it's enough to convince me to not want to go there. I'm going to end up trusting Hyena on EJJ fwiw but happy to have pressurred her.

Deli wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 12:57 pm nobody else finds it weird that two people came in and sheeped my vote?

It was just two votes. The Alison vote is certainly noteworthy as she's been clearing Creature.

[VOTE: unvote] aubergine
Ok

Deli wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 12:54 pm Ok now I am doubting my read… that wagon picked up way too fast

Wolfy

KZA wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 12:44 pm Ok sorry I didn't end up catching up last night

I just ISOd creature and yeah that's not great

[VOTE: Creature] aubergine

Can you give your thoughts on Alison too? I assume you've played with her a bunch and know her.

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 12:38 pm I don't really understand the case on Ejj tbh. I think their posting has been fine.

It can be total tinfoil but the "over-clearing" stuff I think is wolfy in a vacuum.
The argument is basically that the "work" she's done itt has been busy-work. And there is also tone stuff that just seems off to me.

yeah makes sense

ejjinami wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 9:03 pm last random thought: having to scroll to the top of the thread every single time I vote makes me lazy enough to seriously not want to do it lol

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 8:55 pm
Esooa wrote: the amount of irony itt right now

Kami didn't naked sheep anyone and ejj actually did naked sheep (basically) Hyenas post about nanook
I'll be honest I didn't pay attention to the reason I just think he's mafia
to be honest I don’t really care why I push him, I just want him dead

fixed it for you
I think I’m starting to want my vote on you after all lmao

I don't understand what's going on in this post EJJ. A few posts prior you said you agreed that Kami was looking villagery. Here you're saying that you still want Kami dead and that you think Nanook is a wolf too?

Deli wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 12:17 pm everybody has different styles, I tend to under-clear, feel like the majority of people like to clear a lot of people early.

If you're active, and yet all you've done is clear the other most active players with specious reasoning-- then that's ipso facto wolfy, imo.

"over-clearing" is the term I've been looking for

ejjinami wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 8:44 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 8:29 pmn0 ejj red
riiiiiiiight, gun to the head: this is probably townie as well
it feels like a decent indicator that the scum-ping on me was real and they’re doing whatever they think of to push me

or at the very least I think they shouldn’t consider their actions as scummy regardless of alignment

probably playing pro-town rather than pushing an agenda

This post is sort of typical of EJJ play-- where she's calling Esooa's wolf-peek on her villagery-- but it all seems so level 0. Certainly compared to the people who just aren't contributing reads, EJJ is villagery-- but the people that she's focused on-- people like me/esooa/Hyena/Alison-- are all the people that are "safe and easy" to talk about and easy to have village reads on imo.

Deli,
Can you give ejjinami a read?

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