The Syndicate

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 4:11 pm @Dyslexicon I want your insight into my spat with Luckybox. Am I off base?

My issue is that if you're not a wolf then I don't have any wolves at all. And I'm concerned that might be the case.

Why would you expect me to have a bunch of committal reads though and why do you take issue with my use of 'fwiw' so much?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 3:44 pm
Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 3:19 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 2:35 pm Do tell me Luckbox
Why the non-committal voice?
Too soft stepped for town.

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 4:16 pm
Gira wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 4:14 pm [VOTE: falcon] aubergine
probably maybe

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 4:18 pm wisp ignoring everything and focusing on the software is mildly interesting

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 5:33 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 5:31 pm
Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 4:06 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 4:04 pm

Baby is spelt green, and Evil Baby is spelt red.

I'd say you're the one who's outted

[VOTE: Luck] aubergine
My role was in purple.
@Dyslexicon Yeah, that's a claim. I've got green, Evil baby's in red, so what's this to you then?
It can be a claim. Claims are pretty cheap though.

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 8:22 pm
Wisp wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 8:20 pm
Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 8:15 pm
Wisp wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 8:03 pm Interesting I remember town! Alison being more wordy with her posts
Yeah there is no reason to clear Alison at this juncture.
I wasn't clearing her, if anything I was point to the fact this is kind of weird. But the last time I played with her was a while back, and it's kind of early anyways
I was referring to Dizzy's clear of her-- and yeah-- I don't think she's a wolf or anything-- just no reason to clear her.

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 10:43 pm
Wisp wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 10:39 pm
Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 10:38 pm
Wisp wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 10:24 pm @Luckbox Inc
Why exactly did u decide to quote my post, when talking about an Alison read
only to tell me afterwards you were refering to dizzy's read
I know I said, "my bad", but honestly I don't even know why, it wasn't even my bad
I was agreeing with you, I thought...
ok im confused, anyways
Why are you voting Dr Wilgy
Wilgy seems wolfy. I can talk about it tomorrow and possibly change my mind.
This instance above, specifically. Why feel the need to point out that your mind can change? Assuming you are town that is implied and assuming you are scum that isn't possible, so the only real purpose would be to forcibly imply that you are town.

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 12:36 am
Alison wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 11:01 pm I will probably be playing a straight POE game here because there are so many obvious townies.

Wilgy, Dizzy, Ender, falcon, Gavial all town.

Gira outed.

Mizery and Wisp kinda wolfy.

Luckbox meh. I haven't been impressed with his posting so far but it's not as wolfy as the others. Would prefer if he could give an opinion besides "stop clearing Alison >:(", especially when he usually has no trouble getting there on me as town.

Carousel/Nanook/Tess haven't checked in in any meaningful capacity.
This is really your most substantive post all game, but it's your thoughts on Gira and your assuredness that they are outted that has confused me, as Gira seemed fine to me and their thoughts on Falcon seemed fine even if wrong (disclaimer being that I know nothing about Gira).

Wilgy can definitely be a wolf and Wisp can be a villager. Also, you know Dizzy is a really good wolf and the quickness that you two have cleared each other is a bit concerning. I'll have to work on figuring out what i really think in the morning though when I'm a fresh and after a reread. Also hopefully Tess can tell me what to think.

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 8:35 am
Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 8:26 am The reason why Gira is outed is very simple. They don't believe in anything they say and are flatly and disinterestedly doing what they perceive a townie "should" be doing.
I'm willing to entertain this idea fwiw, but definitely not close to being there yet.

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:09 am
Wisp wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:05 am Also I'm not giving Nanook a town lean, idk what ender is talking about, but Nanook hasn't done anything. Except try to be funny so far
Having just wolfed with Nanook, I'd give him a town-lean except that it's super exploitable and not worth much. But basically he's not trying as hard as he did in our wolfgame together.

I'm sure he can still be a wolf here pretty easily tough.
Lacking commitment,
Forcing a town narritive.
A too cautious wolf.

Also why do this,
Where you dissuade discussion?
This seems never town
Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 10:29 am
Gavial wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 10:27 am
Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 10:24 am [VOTE: Luckbox] aubergine
If Dizzy drops their TR on Luckbox, I’ll actually full on push Dizzy.
Especially after Alison does this.
Well you shouldn't tell me him that if that's what your thinking is....fwiw. Better to keep that sort of stuff a secret.

some of this is just incredibly lol fwiw
You are an active detriment to the town regardless of if I'm correct or not based on your response here.

This response is in no way, shape, nor form how a towny who wishes to catch scum would reply.

You went through my posts highlighting all my "cans" and my fwiws"...sorry I'm dismissive of your effort there.

I'm curious about what you're doing though so please just keep doing it. I also suggest you try to find other people that you think might be wolves and I'll do the same re you.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 3:10 pm Time for team theory.
Is this team here possible?
Discuss this with me.

Gira, Wisp, Luckbox?
Is this the full baddie team?
Wouldn't that be nice?

If I'm incorrect,
Which one am I wrong about?
Name a replacement.

Wigly,

Is the posting in verse stuff normal for you and is it ever something that you've done as a wolf?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 2:35 pm Do tell me Luckbox
Why the non-committal voice?
Too soft stepped for town.

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 4:16 pm
Gira wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 4:14 pm [VOTE: falcon] aubergine
probably maybe

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 4:18 pm wisp ignoring everything and focusing on the software is mildly interesting

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 5:33 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 5:31 pm
Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 4:06 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 4:04 pm
Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 4:03 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 3:59 pm I'm a baby!

Green baby that is, check my inbox if you don't believe me

Villagers are red in Syn games.

Falcon outted.
Baby is spelt green, and Evil Baby is spelt red.

I'd say you're the one who's outted

[VOTE: Luck] aubergine
My role was in purple.
@Dyslexicon Yeah, that's a claim. I've got green, Evil baby's in red, so what's this to you then?
It can be a claim. Claims are pretty cheap though.

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 8:22 pm
Wisp wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 8:20 pm
Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 8:15 pm
Wisp wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 8:03 pm Interesting I remember town! Alison being more wordy with her posts
Yeah there is no reason to clear Alison at this juncture.
I wasn't clearing her, if anything I was point to the fact this is kind of weird. But the last time I played with her was a while back, and it's kind of early anyways
I was referring to Dizzy's clear of her-- and yeah-- I don't think she's a wolf or anything-- just no reason to clear her.

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 10:43 pm
Wisp wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 10:39 pm
Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 10:38 pm
Wisp wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 10:24 pm @Luckbox Inc
Why exactly did u decide to quote my post, when talking about an Alison read
only to tell me afterwards you were refering to dizzy's read
I know I said, "my bad", but honestly I don't even know why, it wasn't even my bad
I was agreeing with you, I thought...
ok im confused, anyways
Why are you voting Dr Wilgy
Wilgy seems wolfy. I can talk about it tomorrow and possibly change my mind.
This instance above, specifically. Why feel the need to point out that your mind can change? Assuming you are town that is implied and assuming you are scum that isn't possible, so the only real purpose would be to forcibly imply that you are town.

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 12:36 am
Alison wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 11:01 pm I will probably be playing a straight POE game here because there are so many obvious townies.

Wilgy, Dizzy, Ender, falcon, Gavial all town.

Gira outed.

Mizery and Wisp kinda wolfy.

Luckbox meh. I haven't been impressed with his posting so far but it's not as wolfy as the others. Would prefer if he could give an opinion besides "stop clearing Alison >:(", especially when he usually has no trouble getting there on me as town.

Carousel/Nanook/Tess haven't checked in in any meaningful capacity.
This is really your most substantive post all game, but it's your thoughts on Gira and your assuredness that they are outted that has confused me, as Gira seemed fine to me and their thoughts on Falcon seemed fine even if wrong (disclaimer being that I know nothing about Gira).

Wilgy can definitely be a wolf and Wisp can be a villager. Also, you know Dizzy is a really good wolf and the quickness that you two have cleared each other is a bit concerning. I'll have to work on figuring out what i really think in the morning though when I'm a fresh and after a reread. Also hopefully Tess can tell me what to think.

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 8:35 am
Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 8:26 am The reason why Gira is outed is very simple. They don't believe in anything they say and are flatly and disinterestedly doing what they perceive a townie "should" be doing.
I'm willing to entertain this idea fwiw, but definitely not close to being there yet.

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:09 am
Wisp wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:05 am Also I'm not giving Nanook a town lean, idk what ender is talking about, but Nanook hasn't done anything. Except try to be funny so far
Having just wolfed with Nanook, I'd give him a town-lean except that it's super exploitable and not worth much. But basically he's not trying as hard as he did in our wolfgame together.

I'm sure he can still be a wolf here pretty easily tough.
Lacking commitment,
Forcing a town narritive.
A too cautious wolf.

Also why do this,
Where you dissuade discussion?
This seems never town
Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 10:29 am
Gavial wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 10:27 am
Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 10:24 am [VOTE: Luckbox] aubergine
If Dizzy drops their TR on Luckbox, I’ll actually full on push Dizzy.
Especially after Alison does this.
Well you shouldn't tell me him that if that's what your thinking is....fwiw. Better to keep that sort of stuff a secret.

some of this is just incredibly lol fwiw

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 2:02 pm Yeah, I can't really make a read list yet.

I think Falcon and Gavial are both town.

I'm a bit taken aback by Alison's extreme aggro, but more so how quickly she seems to change her minds on things when I don't at all get the sense that anything in particular got her to go back on her reads or reevaluate. Like how she did with Gira and Lucky.

I need to think more about this, because I'm having too many possible worlds.

If anyone have good reasons to town read certain players that are not Falcon and Gavial let me know lol

Alison's willingness to change her mind on people like Gira and me seems pretty villagery when she could just continue to tunnel. I'm sure she's capable of doing it as a wolf, but there have been some posts that I think are pretty good and show that she is thinking and evaluating people.

Villagers
Alison
Dizzy
Gavial
Gira
Falcon

Probably villagers
Ender
Wisp
Nanook

Probably wolves
Wilgy

Problem is that everyone else is just LHF or Tess. And I really doubt that the wolf team is Tess/Mizery/Wilgy. So I'm misclearing people

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 5:17 pm
Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 5:15 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 4:51 pm
Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 4:48 pm Not a fan of the shade that Wigly is throwing around so throwing some in that direction.
Luckbox makes no sense
Would you rather me sit here?
Catch no bad babies?
No you're doing fine. I just think might not actually believe the posts your making.
What would make my thoughts
Into presumed lies and fibs?
Please be specific.

The "data" that you were looking for Wilgy seemed pretty dumb and wolfy, so I voted you instead.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 1:03 pm
Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 8:56 am
Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 8:44 am Let me give you a helping hand.

You maintain that there is nothing wolfy about Gira and nothing townie about Wilgy. That means my solve is ass-backwards. Assume I am town. Who do you think is trying to egg me on into a bad solve or stand by while I tunnel a townie?
I'm willing to consider to idea that I'm completely wrong and that you are not. I think Wilgy's posts are fairly ok on tone and I could see Gira being a wolf.

But to answer your question-- not sure but probably Dizzy, and I do feel like something is going on between the two of you. You initially called Dizzy wolfy for making some standard Dizzy posts, and then backed off that after they cleared Wilgy for making a nothing post that a person shouldn't be cleared for.

Realistically that should mean that the wolf team is not you/Dizzy/Wilgy-- as wolves wouldn't typically link themselves together like that so easily-- but I wonder..
I'm not sure anything really goes on between us. I got the instinctive feeling that Alison was just town for the way she came in. It's about the force of which she cleared Falcon. And it's obvious why she thought Falcon should be cleared, and I think she's trying to use that to her advantage. Which would be very towny. Not unfakable probably, but still very efficient/towny. So that was my instinct.

Now, my early reads are only early impressions. I actually don't have many "solid" reads, especially when it comes to actual scum reads.

Alison's town read on me is honestly a bit confusing. I don't know if it's something she's just going with or what actual depth she thinks lies there. She's rarely been town games we've played actually, and I think her track record of reading me is her being right one out of three times. But to be fair, the last time we played, she was spot on.

It'll be fun if you start thinking she's a wolf right when I start thinking she's a villager.

Wisp wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 12:10 pm
Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 12:04 pm Wisp,

What are your own thoughts on Wilgy?

Since you're demanding an explanation from me and now voting me over a lack of it, I assume that means that you think Wilgy is villagery?
It has nothing to do with wilgy, I haven't read much of anything in regards, I don't think he's done anything that someone like me without meta can even lean him on, without asking him questions

I expected your read to be less of, "I don't think he should be town, to I don't think he has done much fo anything, to I think he can be a wolf"

You haven't answered my question in my opinion. So there isn't much of a reason for me to believe your vote isn't malicious.

Honestly I'm surprised ender hasn't jumped on you for that, since this is exactly what he pushing in regards to me

I just ISO'd him. He only has 14 posts and they're all pretty short.

I don't see anything villagery though other than the attempted haikus or whatever he's doing there. I'm not sure what more you would expect. He quoted a post of my that wasn't "suss" and called it suss, and he did the same with a post of Gira that seemed fine.

And given that people seem to want to clear him for no reason, it made me more suspicious. I still like him as a wolf but there isn't anything more than that.

Wisp wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 12:10 pm
Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 12:04 pm Wisp,

What are your own thoughts on Wilgy?

Since you're demanding an explanation from me and now voting me over a lack of it, I assume that means that you think Wilgy is villagery?
It has nothing to do with wilgy, I haven't read much of anything in regards, I don't think he's done anything that someone like me without meta can even lean him on, without asking him questions

I expected your read to be less of, "I don't think he should be town, to I don't think he has done much fo anything, to I think he can be a wolf"

You haven't answered my question in my opinion. So there isn't much of a reason for me to believe your vote isn't malicious.

Honestly I'm surprised ender hasn't jumped on you for that, since this is exactly what he pushing in regards to me

I just ISO'd him. He only has 14 posts and they're all pretty short.

I don't see anything villagery though other than the attempted haikus or whatever he's doing there. I'm not sure what more you would expect. He quoted a post of my that wasn't "suss" and called it suss, and he did the same with a post of Gira that seemed fine.

And given that people seem to want to clear him for no reason, it made me more suspicious. I still like him as a wolf but there isn't anything more than that.

Wisp,

What are your own thoughts on Wilgy?

Since you're demanding an explanation from me and now voting me over a lack of it, I assume that means that you think Wilgy is villagery?

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 11:11 am I'm sheeping Ender on nanook. Gira is probably town and just throwing a tantrum.

If we assume Luckbox's meta makes him town (which I'm okay to right now, especially for the purposes of building this world) then the non-clears are Carousel, MIzery, tess, Wisp.

Not sure where Dizzy stands in this situation. I'll take a look after class.

I still don't think there is a reason to clear Wilgy.

I'm pretty fine with the rest of your clears, although it leaves a wolf-team that is full of LHF and people who have barely posted-- which is problematic.

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 10:48 am I am stopping here because this is getting to the point where it is adversely affecting thread health.

It should be clear that Gira is not interested in advancing a town agenda. They are either wolf or so unable to handle being scumread that they implode and start working for wolves when pushed. Luckbox is probably town actually now that I think of the two testimonies wrt their meta.

[VOTE: Wisp] aubergine

Back to this.

I've started thinking that you might be good here as well (there have been posts that I like), but I haven't wanted to voice that.

I also think Gira is posting fine here.

Wisp wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 10:33 am
Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 10:27 am Gira is definitely a wolf, I'm just not sure whether his role card says it.
lmao
anyways

[VOTE: Luckbox Inc] aubergine

This one I find surprising.

What's up here?

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 10:34 am
Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 10:32 am
Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 10:27 am It's actually fucking atrocious that I show that Luckbox has no logical reason to be surprised by the Dizzy read on me and his response is "wolfy post really" rather than actually defending his point. There is zero reason for him to ever do that if he is town and I have enough respect for his town play that I'm not going to let that slide.

Gira is definitely a wolf, I'm just not sure whether his role card says it.
I didn't feel a reason to respond to such inane questions.

I wouldn't think Dizzy would be so polarized because I have respect for Dizzy's game.

And being surprised at how quickly Dizzy cleared you here is 100% completely rational. Yeah maybe he does have tons of meta with you and can read you like a book, but if so then then that's not something that I'm aware of.
That's a ridiculous assertion. Someone who is a power wolf as wolf and a good townie as town (which Dizzy is, and this is well known) is going to blatantly bury villagers as scum but shield them as town. The way they treat other players is polarized and this doesn't reflect poorly on their play at all.

No it's not rational to try to cast shade on one player's early read on another when you haven't dug into why they think that, asked them about their reasoning, and you don't know what kind of meta they have with each other.

Well that's fine. I'm a crappy wolf who does a horrible job of burying villagers but I also (for reasons relating to cognitive biases) assume that others play like me and try to not polarize themselves so much.

And I did ask Dizzy for his reasoning and never got a response, fwiw.

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 10:33 am
Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 10:27 am
Gavial wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 10:20 am
Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 10:16 am
Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 10:10 am
Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 10:05 am
Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:53 am

You've never seen me and Dizzy T/T together.

In fact I actually remember saying that one of the reasons I suspected him in basic mafia was that I believed he would townread me if he was town.

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:53 am I just don't understand why seeing Dizzy tunnel me when he is mafia means that it is odd for him to insta-clear me in a different game.
Yeah I've never seen it, but since I wasn't inclined to insta-clear you I'm not sure why anyone else would be either, and I wouldn't expect that Dizzy would be so polarized in his approach to you either-- so my thoughts there seem pretty reasonable.
What makes you think Dizzy wouldn't be polarized?

Why would you be surprised at you not being inclined to insta-clear me but someone else being inclined to do so when you don't know how much meta they have with me? For all you know Dizzy and I have a thousand games together and he knows how to read my town tells very well.
Wolfy post really.
Hey Luck, what’s your read on Dizzy?
I noticed you seemed to be fine with them having you and them in a towncore so did you townread them at that point and do you still town read them now?
This is only my third game with Dizzy but closer to the 2nd really as the last game we played together was just for one day, where I was skeptical (we were v/v)

Dizzy fooled me in his last wolf game so I'm not too eager for that to happen again, but did find his opening villagery. I do think the Alison stuff is interesting but otherwise everything else seems fine.
What exactly is your read on the Alison/Dizzy dynamic?

You've been incredibly vague about it, calling it "interesting", "weird", but refusing to actually dig into it and say who is what alignment. Am I pocketing Dizzy? Is Dizzy pocketing me? Are we jerking each other off as wolf buddies?

I asked you why you assumed Dizzy would share the same read as you when you have no idea what kind of meta Dizzy has on me. No response to that. From your posting it sounds like you think this dynamic is extremely fruitful and there's likely one scum within it. But you don't seem inclined to actually dig through the posts and try to figure out who within it is scum and case them.

I said I was going to make breakfast and then continue reading and iso Wilgy like 45 minutes ago and I haven't done that either. It's not a "refusal" to dig in. That's not how it works and even if I reread everything and ISO'd everyone, I doubt I would reach any sort of firm conclusions.

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 10:27 am It's actually fucking atrocious that I show that Luckbox has no logical reason to be surprised by the Dizzy read on me and his response is "wolfy post really" rather than actually defending his point. There is zero reason for him to ever do that if he is town and I have enough respect for his town play that I'm not going to let that slide.

Gira is definitely a wolf, I'm just not sure whether his role card says it.

I didn't feel a reason to respond to such inane questions.

I wouldn't think Dizzy would be so polarized because I have respect for Dizzy's game.

And being surprised at how quickly Dizzy cleared you here is 100% completely rational. Yeah maybe he does have tons of meta with you and can read you like a book, but if so then then that's not something that I'm aware of.

Gavial wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 10:27 am
Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 10:24 am [VOTE: Luckbox] aubergine
If Dizzy drops their TR on Luckbox, I’ll actually full on push Dizzy.
Especially after Alison does this.

Well you shouldn't tell me him that if that's what your thinking is....fwiw. Better to keep that sort of stuff a secret.

Gavial wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 10:20 am
Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 10:16 am
Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 10:10 am
Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 10:05 am
Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:53 am
Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:20 am yeah I meant to include that there, but it doesn't change why I find the insta-clear odd here.
You've never seen me and Dizzy T/T together.

In fact I actually remember saying that one of the reasons I suspected him in basic mafia was that I believed he would townread me if he was town.

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:53 am I just don't understand why seeing Dizzy tunnel me when he is mafia means that it is odd for him to insta-clear me in a different game.
Yeah I've never seen it, but since I wasn't inclined to insta-clear you I'm not sure why anyone else would be either, and I wouldn't expect that Dizzy would be so polarized in his approach to you either-- so my thoughts there seem pretty reasonable.
What makes you think Dizzy wouldn't be polarized?

Why would you be surprised at you not being inclined to insta-clear me but someone else being inclined to do so when you don't know how much meta they have with me? For all you know Dizzy and I have a thousand games together and he knows how to read my town tells very well.
Wolfy post really.
Hey Luck, what’s your read on Dizzy?
I noticed you seemed to be fine with them having you and them in a towncore so did you townread them at that point and do you still town read them now?

This is only my third game with Dizzy but closer to the 2nd really as the last game we played together was just for one day, where I was skeptical (we were v/v)

Dizzy fooled me in his last wolf game so I'm not too eager for that to happen again, but did find his opening villagery. I do think the Alison stuff is interesting but otherwise everything else seems fine.

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 10:10 am
Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 10:05 am
Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:53 am
Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:20 am yeah I meant to include that there, but it doesn't change why I find the insta-clear odd here.
You've never seen me and Dizzy T/T together.

In fact I actually remember saying that one of the reasons I suspected him in basic mafia was that I believed he would townread me if he was town.

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:53 am I just don't understand why seeing Dizzy tunnel me when he is mafia means that it is odd for him to insta-clear me in a different game.
Yeah I've never seen it, but since I wasn't inclined to insta-clear you I'm not sure why anyone else would be either, and I wouldn't expect that Dizzy would be so polarized in his approach to you either-- so my thoughts there seem pretty reasonable.
What makes you think Dizzy wouldn't be polarized?

Why would you be surprised at you not being inclined to insta-clear me but someone else being inclined to do so when you don't know how much meta they have with me? For all you know Dizzy and I have a thousand games together and he knows how to read my town tells very well.

Wolfy post really.

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:53 am
Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:20 am yeah I meant to include that there, but it doesn't change why I find the insta-clear odd here.
You've never seen me and Dizzy T/T together.

In fact I actually remember saying that one of the reasons I suspected him in basic mafia was that I believed he would townread me if he was town.

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:53 am I just don't understand why seeing Dizzy tunnel me when he is mafia means that it is odd for him to insta-clear me in a different game.

Yeah I've never seen it, but since I wasn't inclined to insta-clear you I'm not sure why anyone else would be either, and I wouldn't expect that Dizzy would be so polarized in his approach to you either-- so my thoughts there seem pretty reasonable.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:43 am People have about 20 minutes before my migraine meds knock me on my bed to sweet release if they wanna ask me something.

Woah ok. Can you talk about Gira and Willgy please?

Wisp wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:33 am i type my fast, my brain is weird, idk
also @Luckbox Inc I meant to say Dr Wigly in regards to you, not alison

Yeah I got to like page 4 in rereading this morning but then got involved in real-time interactions and stopped, but I'll get back to it-- but I didn't see anything from the early Wilgy posts that should be lock-clearing, although I don't think their posts are horrible either-- they just seem like they could easily be coming from a wolf. Going to cook some breakfast and then I'll finish reading and/or ISO Wilgy and reassess.

Wisp wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:29 am
Wisp wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:28 am @Luckbox Inc
@Alison
im giving luckbox for leeway here, they said they would explain their Alison vote at some point, im not all too worried about them
But from what I recalled Alison still has not said why Gira is obvious town
obvious wolf*

ok that helps lol

Wisp wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:28 am @Luckbox Inc
@Alison
im giving luckbox for leeway here, they said they would explain their Alison vote at some point, im not all too worried about them
But from what I recalled Alison still has not said why Gira is obvious town

At some point I should probably be concerned about all the errors and misunderstandings/etc that you're making.

But 1) I'm not voting Alison and haven't decided if she's a wolf or not. 2) I'm voting Wilgy, 3) I never said that Gira was obvious town.

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:18 am
Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:15 am
Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:11 am
Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 8:56 am
Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 8:44 am Let me give you a helping hand.

You maintain that there is nothing wolfy about Gira and nothing townie about Wilgy. That means my solve is ass-backwards. Assume I am town. Who do you think is trying to egg me on into a bad solve or stand by while I tunnel a townie?
I'm willing to consider to idea that I'm completely wrong and that you are not. I think Wilgy's posts are fairly ok on tone and I could see Gira being a wolf.

But to answer your question-- not sure but probably Dizzy, and I do feel like something is going on between the two of you. You initially called Dizzy wolfy for making some standard Dizzy posts, and then backed off that after they cleared Wilgy for making a nothing post that a person shouldn't be cleared for.

Realistically that should mean that the wolf team is not you/Dizzy/Wilgy-- as wolves wouldn't typically link themselves together like that so easily-- but I wonder..
I think people calling our dynamic out as weird are weird.

I scumread his early posts. Then I realized he had the exact same reads as me so I townread him.

This is normal and it is questionable to try to pretend like it's a sketchy dynamic.

Also, given that Dizzy made his reads before I made mine, and I townread Dizzy because his reads that were already in the thread matched up with my own thoughts as I caught up, what makes you think that Dizzy is the one trying to pocket/egg me on?
Re your approach to Dizzy: that's all fine and reasonable.

It's Dizzy's approach to you and the way Dizzy started clearing you basically instantly that I find odd. And some of that might be because in the only other game I played with you the two of you together, Dizzy tunneled you for the entire game, but it seems odd that you would get an insta-clear.
uhhhhh you mean the game where he was scum?

yeah I meant to include that there, but it doesn't change why I find the insta-clear odd here.

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:11 am
Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 8:56 am
Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 8:44 am Let me give you a helping hand.

You maintain that there is nothing wolfy about Gira and nothing townie about Wilgy. That means my solve is ass-backwards. Assume I am town. Who do you think is trying to egg me on into a bad solve or stand by while I tunnel a townie?
I'm willing to consider to idea that I'm completely wrong and that you are not. I think Wilgy's posts are fairly ok on tone and I could see Gira being a wolf.

But to answer your question-- not sure but probably Dizzy, and I do feel like something is going on between the two of you. You initially called Dizzy wolfy for making some standard Dizzy posts, and then backed off that after they cleared Wilgy for making a nothing post that a person shouldn't be cleared for.

Realistically that should mean that the wolf team is not you/Dizzy/Wilgy-- as wolves wouldn't typically link themselves together like that so easily-- but I wonder..
I think people calling our dynamic out as weird are weird.

I scumread his early posts. Then I realized he had the exact same reads as me so I townread him.

This is normal and it is questionable to try to pretend like it's a sketchy dynamic.

Also, given that Dizzy made his reads before I made mine, and I townread Dizzy because his reads that were already in the thread matched up with my own thoughts as I caught up, what makes you think that Dizzy is the one trying to pocket/egg me on?

Re your approach to Dizzy: that's all fine and reasonable.

It's Dizzy's approach to you and the way Dizzy started clearing you basically instantly that I find odd. And some of that might be because in the only other game I played with you the two of you together, Dizzy tunneled you for the entire game, but it seems odd that you would get an insta-clear.

Wisp wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:05 am Also I'm not giving Nanook a town lean, idk what ender is talking about, but Nanook hasn't done anything. Except try to be funny so far

Having just wolfed with Nanook, I'd give him a town-lean except that it's super exploitable and not worth much. But basically he's not trying as hard as he did in our wolfgame together.

I'm sure he can still be a wolf here pretty easily tough.

Wisp wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 9:00 am @Dyslexicon
Well that was an interesting jump in town from earlier, to your response to Seth

Who is Seth?

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 8:52 am
Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 8:49 am
Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 8:41 am How about you stop trying to discredit other people and tell me what your solve is instead.
There is no solve. We're still fairly early on in a game where I have only played with around 1/2 of the players. I think Wilgy is wolfy because their posts come off wolfy to me, and I'm wondering if you're power-wolfing here. Beyond that I'm still working on it.
So you don't have strong reads but you're quick to discredit others' and cast shade on them for it.

Got it.

I'm here participating in the game and trying to figure it out. It's pretty rare for me to have super strong reads early unless I have a lot of meta with a person, which I do not yet have with anyone here. But that doesn't preclude from me from discrediting other's reads and throwing shade around.

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 8:44 am Let me give you a helping hand.

You maintain that there is nothing wolfy about Gira and nothing townie about Wilgy. That means my solve is ass-backwards. Assume I am town. Who do you think is trying to egg me on into a bad solve or stand by while I tunnel a townie?

I'm willing to consider to idea that I'm completely wrong and that you are not. I think Wilgy's posts are fairly ok on tone and I could see Gira being a wolf.

But to answer your question-- not sure but probably Dizzy, and I do feel like something is going on between the two of you. You initially called Dizzy wolfy for making some standard Dizzy posts, and then backed off that after they cleared Wilgy for making a nothing post that a person shouldn't be cleared for.

Realistically that should mean that the wolf team is not you/Dizzy/Wilgy-- as wolves wouldn't typically link themselves together like that so easily-- but I wonder..

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 8:41 am How about you stop trying to discredit other people and tell me what your solve is instead.

There is no solve. We're still fairly early on in a game where I have only played with around 1/2 of the players. I think Wilgy is wolfy because their posts come off wolfy to me, and I'm wondering if you're power-wolfing here. Beyond that I'm still working on it.

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 8:40 am
Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 8:29 am
Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 8:25 am Posts like #387 are exactly why I think you're wolfy.

You call posts that are wolfy not wolfy at all, and you call posts that aren't wolfy at all wolfy.

You don't have a townie thought process and are probably a wolf.

Or misguided town, but we'll see about that.
yeah there isn't too much to find wolfy in the posts that you quoted. Even if Gira should flip wolf, that wouldn't change.

And the Dizzy posts that you quoted seem like pretty standard Dizzy and might even be somewhat villagery.
This is a horrible read. If Gira flips wolf it proves that I am right and you saying this sounds like you know Gira will flip wolf and are undermining me in advance.

It's not a read at all. It's just me standing by my assessment of those posts.

Just because a wolf makes a post doesn't make said post inherently wolfy. Although I was sort of hoping for a response like this to that post so that's good.

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 8:25 am Posts like #387 are exactly why I think you're wolfy.

You call posts that are wolfy not wolfy at all, and you call posts that aren't wolfy at all wolfy.

You don't have a townie thought process and are probably a wolf.

Or misguided town, but we'll see about that.

Also, I told Esooa how I was excited to be playing with you again before the MU game that you dropped out of started, and she asked why and I explained how it was because you always think I'm a wolf-- and that's all true, I do like playing with you (and not just for that reason), and you do always think I'm a wolf (at least initially-- even in the recent team game apparently).

It's nice to be able to figure out players based on their thoughts of oneself and that brings a fun meta aspect to things-- like I'm forced to wonder if after the 5th time in a row of you thinking that I'm a wolf on D1, if you would really think it again (and I think you would), although I also think if you were a wolf you would call me one as well.

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 8:26 am The reason why Gira is outed is very simple. They don't believe in anything they say and are flatly and disinterestedly doing what they perceive a townie "should" be doing.

I'm willing to entertain this idea fwiw, but definitely not close to being there yet.

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Sep 28, 2021 8:25 am Posts like #387 are exactly why I think you're wolfy.

You call posts that are wolfy not wolfy at all, and you call posts that aren't wolfy at all wolfy.

You don't have a townie thought process and are probably a wolf.

Or misguided town, but we'll see about that.

yeah there isn't too much to find wolfy in the posts that you quoted. Even if Gira should flip wolf, that wouldn't change.

And the Dizzy posts that you quoted seem like pretty standard Dizzy and might even be somewhat villagery.

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 7:40 pm
Wisp wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 4:29 pm Hmm town cores already, how memey is that thought at this point in the game?
If Gira flips scum we turbo this.

This is also weird given that the Wisp post would seem to have nothing to do with Gira.

But can you discuss your thinking here? (And if your answer is that you're just posting nonsense for reactions then I would totally accept that and hope that it's the case)

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 7:29 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 3:08 pm Hopefully Alison will have some opinion on my alignment come day end.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 3:09 pm Lucky is probably town though. Does anyone object? No? Ok good.

Towncore: Lucky, Dizzy.
Both bad posts.

[VOTE: Dizzy] aubergine

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 7:30 pm
Gira wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 3:49 pm
Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 3:27 pmdadv
downside of the start time is that i assume most people are busy being responsible with work or school or some nonsense like that

not me though i'm neglecting all my responsibilities, such is my dedication to posting
ThIs is also scum.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 7:31 pm
Alison wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 7:29 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 3:08 pm Hopefully Alison will have some opinion on my alignment come day end.

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 3:09 pm Lucky is probably town though. Does anyone object? No? Ok good.

Towncore: Lucky, Dizzy.
Both bad posts.

[VOTE: Dizzy] aubergine
Alison plz

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 7:31 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 4:04 pm
Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 4:03 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 3:59 pm I'm a baby!

Green baby that is, check my inbox if you don't believe me

Villagers are red in Syn games.

Falcon outted.
Baby is spelt green, and Evil Baby is spelt red.

I'd say you're the one who's outted

[VOTE: Luck] aubergine
Lock town.

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 7:32 pm
Gira wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 4:14 pm [VOTE: falcon] aubergine
Gira is so badly outed lmao

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 7:32 pm [VOTE: Gira] aubergine

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 7:32 pm Alison is town, yes.

(Falcon is also town, but shhh)

This whole sequence is so weird.

Alison quotes a bunch of posts that aren't wolfy at all and calls them wolfy, Dizzy decides to clear her, and then later Alison clears Dizzy (I think).

But I would like some explanation from Alison for why Gira is outed, and I would appreciate if Dizzy could explain what it is about Alison's posting that they found villagery here.

Also appreciated would be if the people who are claiming that Wigly is a villager, explain to me why they think that and/or talk about Wigly meta for me.

Plz and ty

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 11:36 pm I have decided that Luckbox is wolfy. Between Mizery and Wisp.

Can you talk about your read on me some or what caused you to decide that I was wolfy?

sometimes I wish I believed in policy kills

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 11:01 pm I will probably be playing a straight POE game here because there are so many obvious townies.

Wilgy, Dizzy, Ender, falcon, Gavial all town.

Gira outed.

Mizery and Wisp kinda wolfy.

Luckbox meh. I haven't been impressed with his posting so far but it's not as wolfy as the others. Would prefer if he could give an opinion besides "stop clearing Alison >:(", especially when he usually has no trouble getting there on me as town.

Carousel/Nanook/Tess haven't checked in in any meaningful capacity.

This is really your most substantive post all game, but it's your thoughts on Gira and your assuredness that they are outted that has confused me, as Gira seemed fine to me and their thoughts on Falcon seemed fine even if wrong (disclaimer being that I know nothing about Gira).

Wilgy can definitely be a wolf and Wisp can be a villager. Also, you know Dizzy is a really good wolf and the quickness that you two have cleared each other is a bit concerning. I'll have to work on figuring out what i really think in the morning though when I'm a fresh and after a reread. Also hopefully Tess can tell me what to think.

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 3:06 pm Hopefully Alison thinks I'm a wolf

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 11:36 pm I have decided that Luckbox is wolfy. Between Mizery and Wisp.

Nice. But a little slow.

Wisp wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 10:52 pm if Wigly is obvious town, what does that make Lucky?

I reserve the right to not agree on "obvious town" and still be a villager

Wisp wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 10:39 pm
Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 10:38 pm
Wisp wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 10:24 pm @Luckbox Inc
Why exactly did u decide to quote my post, when talking about an Alison read
only to tell me afterwards you were refering to dizzy's read
I know I said, "my bad", but honestly I don't even know why, it wasn't even my bad
I was agreeing with you, I thought...
ok im confused, anyways
Why are you voting Dr Wilgy

Wilgy seems wolfy. I can talk about it tomorrow and possibly change my mind.

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 8:15 pm
Wisp wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 8:03 pm Interesting I remember town! Alison being more wordy with her posts
Yeah there is no reason to clear Alison at this juncture.

confirmed agreement. I didn't understand your confusion then or now, although I'm guessing you just misunderstood my post or I somehow misunderstood yours-- although I'm not sure what I could be misunderstanding.

Wisp wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 10:24 pm @Luckbox Inc
Why exactly did u decide to quote my post, when talking about an Alison read
only to tell me afterwards you were refering to dizzy's read
I know I said, "my bad", but honestly I don't even know why, it wasn't even my bad

I was agreeing with you, I thought...

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 10:05 pm
Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 7:45 pm Alright, I'm convinced.

Town: Falcon, Alison, Lucky, Wilgy

Probably.
Why lucky?

I've been trying to figure out why you, ironically enough.

Wisp wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 8:20 pm
Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 8:15 pm
Wisp wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 8:03 pm Interesting I remember town! Alison being more wordy with her posts
Yeah there is no reason to clear Alison at this juncture.
I wasn't clearing her, if anything I was point to the fact this is kind of weird. But the last time I played with her was a while back, and it's kind of early anyways

I was referring to Dizzy's clear of her-- and yeah-- I don't think she's a wolf or anything-- just no reason to clear her.

Wisp wrote: ↑Mon Sep 27, 2021 8:03 pm Interesting I remember town! Alison being more wordy with her posts

Yeah there is no reason to clear Alison at this juncture.

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