The Syndicate

ejjinami wrote: ↑Mon Jun 21, 2021 6:08 pm [VOTE: deli] aubergine

I have nothing more to say. Yesterday’s night kill probably just spewed them wolf

you forgot to vote in the poll

ejjinami wrote: ↑Mon Jun 21, 2021 6:12 pm
Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Mon Jun 21, 2021 6:08 pm I mean I'm secretly hoping that you're the wolf and not Deli but it definitely isn't me and I was pretty sure Nanook was seer on D2. I think Deli ends the game about 98% of the time though
if you want some feedback / a tip for the future, constantly repeating that “it’s not you” and town-casing yourself without a need for it probably wouldn’t be considered townie by the majority of players

or at least in my case, it generally only makes me paranoid :/

Well yeah you're right there.
I'm not too paranoid about you though so it's just Deli and I support someone majjing it.

ejjinami wrote: ↑Mon Jun 21, 2021 6:04 pm first the cop lied and got a townie forcefully eliminated 
he mafia decided NOT to kill the claimed cop, giving him a chance to get additional green checks
one of the scum, who was deep into people’s town-cores, made a suicidal fake-claim and died.
and they STILL didn’t kill the cop, which should have made the game mechanically impossible for scum to win
but wait wait, then the cop then made the ONLY check which would NOT guarantee a win
and then got finally killed

….I don’t think I’ve seen another game with so many misplays
this is legit just a meme

I mean I'm secretly hoping that you're the wolf and not Deli but it definitely isn't me and I was pretty sure Nanook was seer on D2. I think Deli ends the game about 98% of the time though

Creature was unfortunately the only person Nanook could have peeked yesterday that didn't lock the game but not much we can do there
[VOTE: Deli] aubergine

[VOTE: Creature] aubergine
still Creature Deli even if that's not the real peek
what is real peek?

Nanook can't be the seer now

that doesn't read clear at all-- Deli could lunch me before them (if esooa were alive maybe as she strangely was thinking Deli was villagery)-- but not both of us

Probably option 2. If it Deli/Creature then there isn't sort of path to victory there. Deli would have lunch both me and you and maybe me but not us both

n0 KZA V
n1 Nanook V
n2- Deli wolf
n3- EJJ villager

but I'm not the cop

yeah wait for Nanook and hammer is basically fine.
I was assuming I was going to have argue with Deli about how they are a wolf but that can happen tomorrow.

yeah I'm not cop either

Creature/Deli still imo

well that's really lol

Esooa will probably cap it

Something about the idea of voting for a person who peeked me makes me feel pretty bad.
Problem is I did it once before and I was wrong and it was horrible.
I support voting Hyena or Deli though.
Creature would be a sort of bad given the circumstances.

Hyena wrote: ↑Sat Jun 19, 2021 4:25 pm
Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Sat Jun 19, 2021 4:24 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Sat Jun 19, 2021 4:06 pm Why should I be able to explain why they're mafia? I'm literally telling you that I have green checks on Creature, Luck, Syn/MissSparkles, and I've explained my townread on Ejji. That's five people, which means I have auto. The three mafia HAVE to be in the remaining four. Like, I don't know why that's so hard to understand?
So Hyena POE is: Deli, Esooa, EJJ, Fingers, Nanook
And Nanook would be a wolf and then it literally has to be also 3 out of Deli/Esooa/EJJ/Fingers-- and there are just way too many villagers there.
Maybe somehow EJJ is a wolf and Deli isn't but I doubt that.
No, it's Nanook, Fingersplint, Deli, and Esooa. Ejji is NOT in the PoE.

EJJ wouldn't be peeked and thus would be...but esooa and finger are both villagery. As is EJJ. It's a wolf team that doesn't fit. Realistically it's just Deli there.

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Jun 19, 2021 4:22 pm sigh

realistically though finger was also making towny posts at the least which constricts the nanook team to a point that just can't exactly exist

@Luckbox Inc please hammer to end my grief. I will vote hyena after you

Yeah pretty much.
I don't know what to make of Hyena posting right now but I don't think it's super villagery. The indignance can be a bit villagery but from the perspective of what the peeks are it all makes sense too.

Hyena wrote: ↑Sat Jun 19, 2021 4:06 pm Why should I be able to explain why they're mafia? I'm literally telling you that I have green checks on Creature, Luck, Syn/MissSparkles, and I've explained my townread on Ejji. That's five people, which means I have auto. The three mafia HAVE to be in the remaining four. Like, I don't know why that's so hard to understand?

So Hyena POE is: Deli, Esooa, EJJ, Fingers, Nanook
And Nanook would be a wolf and then it literally has to be also 3 out of Deli/Esooa/EJJ/Fingers-- and there are just way too many villagers there.
Maybe somehow EJJ is a wolf and Deli isn't but I doubt that.

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Jun 19, 2021 4:08 pmluckbox can too

I can watch someone else do it.

Hyena,
You were questioning me on D2 after you had supposedly peeked me.
That's pretty bad.

i think the Kami kill was a genuine seer hunt and the counterclaim was just sort of an ill-thought out plan fwiw.
The N1 kill of Falcon I think pretty bad from Hyena-wolf perspective.

The other option for Nanook wolf is having the N1 kill be a genuine seer hunt on Falcon and N2 being totally wtf?

Hyena being a wolf makes a lot more sense in that vacuum, aside from everything else.

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Sat Jun 19, 2021 3:54 pm let's let it play out in a painfully aggravating fashion on EoD?

*until EoD

I mean I'm fine with Hyena too now though.

fingersplints wrote: ↑Sat Jun 19, 2021 3:53 pm
Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Sat Jun 19, 2021 3:48 pm
fingersplints wrote: ↑Sat Jun 19, 2021 3:46 pm I’m going to vote for the next person who says they don’t care anymore.
Wouldn't this be you ceasing to care though?
No, I still care. I just feel bad for JJJ when people keep saying they don’t want to play. I’ve hosted enough games that I know it isn’t fun to have to read that in your game.
And it makes the game less fun with people keep saying how much they hate it. I want to play a fun game.

Yeah I know. I completely get where you're coming from.

let's let it play out in a painfully aggravating fashion on EoD?

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Jun 19, 2021 3:47 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Sat Jun 19, 2021 3:46 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Jun 19, 2021 3:44 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Sat Jun 19, 2021 3:43 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Jun 19, 2021 3:42 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Sat Jun 19, 2021 3:41 pm No. I just don't feel like playing right this second. Like, I don't think there's anything I can say anymore to get you guys to listen to me and believe me. This has happened to me too many times recently, and it doesn't feel like anything I can do will change your minds.
it's pretty much a self fulfilling prophecy then
Like, what do you want me to say? I gave you my checks and all the thoughts I had. I'm not going to bother repeating myself a couple more times if people simply aren't going to listen to me.
idk answer the thing I @d you with? your ejj read?
I think Ejji is town. The only time I did suspect her was D1 when she was doing the stuff that I mentioned she did in the game I talked about where she was scum. She hasn't done anything like that since I feel like.
well your checks basically PoE them mafia so... what? Who is mafia?

Yeah. Game should be super solveable for both seers with all live peeks

fingersplints wrote: ↑Sat Jun 19, 2021 3:46 pm I’m going to vote for the next person who says they don’t care anymore.

Wouldn't this be you ceasing to care though?

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Jun 19, 2021 3:42 pm
Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Sat Jun 19, 2021 3:40 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Jun 19, 2021 3:38 pm
Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Sat Jun 19, 2021 3:36 pm If Hyena is seer then I'm peeked.
And if Nanook is the seer then I've been on a wolf team that has made two kills I never make.
Like I was pretty confident that Nanook was the seer yesterday. I also still thought he was faking on Kza-- believe it or not.
But Nanook seemed pretty sure that he was actually the seer. And the idea that I just wouldn't kill him and that I would believe Kami's peek when I know Kami can fake with some wolves is just ridiculous fwiw.
if nanook is seer you can easily kill Kami and hope hyena wins a dome which was 100% their plan based on posting
It seems like a bad plan. Also a bad plan for me to be believing Nanook.
probably is a bad plan but it's possible. I don't know how much say you have in night actions if you disagree with someone elses plan, so I don't see why it's not

I am pretty deferential but in this case it would be two kills that I think I'd be taking issue with. And it's not like I haven't been super active this game. I've never not had a problem coming to agreement in wolfchat though. It's all whatever though.

Hyena wrote: ↑Sat Jun 19, 2021 3:41 pm No. I just don't feel like playing right this second. Like, I don't think there's anything I can say anymore to get you guys to listen to me and believe me. This has happened to me too many times recently, and it doesn't feel like anything I can do will change your minds.

I mean this is wolfy.

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Jun 19, 2021 3:38 pm
Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Sat Jun 19, 2021 3:36 pm If Hyena is seer then I'm peeked.
And if Nanook is the seer then I've been on a wolf team that has made two kills I never make.
Like I was pretty confident that Nanook was the seer yesterday. I also still thought he was faking on Kza-- believe it or not.
But Nanook seemed pretty sure that he was actually the seer. And the idea that I just wouldn't kill him and that I would believe Kami's peek when I know Kami can fake with some wolves is just ridiculous fwiw.
if nanook is seer you can easily kill Kami and hope hyena wins a dome which was 100% their plan based on posting

It seems like a bad plan. Also a bad plan for me to be believing Nanook.

If Hyena is seer then I'm peeked.
And if Nanook is the seer then I've been on a wolf team that has made two kills I never make.
Like I was pretty confident that Nanook was the seer yesterday. I also still thought he was faking on Kza-- believe it or not.
But Nanook seemed pretty sure that he was actually the seer. And the idea that I just wouldn't kill him and that I would believe Kami's peek when I know Kami can fake with some wolves is just ridiculous fwiw.

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Jun 19, 2021 3:30 pm hyena and creature both posting so little this day is a concession

Probably for Hyena for sure at least.

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Jun 19, 2021 3:27 pm I still feel for the most part deli is spewed town by creature, so I think a hyena team is still more likely luckbox+hyena+creature

I think the timing of luckbox pushing deli was interesting, it exists after my push on nanook where if luckbox is with hyena he maybe tries to kill deli to pull both cops to lylo and win with my or miss sparkles votes on nanook

I'm just confident that Deli is a wolf now and think they're borderline lolcatting at me today.
And because I'm confident there, it makes sense to push us in that direction because then-- assuming both seers are still alive tomorrow, we still have a miskill and an extra peek. Being wrong on Deli would probably be really bad and spell doom for this game-- but I don't think I am.

Also-- there isn't anything about Deli/Creature stuff that can't just be a bus.

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Jun 19, 2021 3:22 pm
Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Sat Jun 19, 2021 3:20 pm
Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Jun 19, 2021 3:18 pm why do you want to be sheeping me

and no probably not for a day phase or two
For all the same reasons I wanted to in our only other v/v game together.
honestly ur wolfy imo

I mean I'm intrigued for sure

Deli wrote: ↑Sat Jun 19, 2021 3:21 pm Not too interested in what wolves say they would “never do” fwiw

I think you're lolcatting fwiw

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Jun 19, 2021 3:18 pm why do you want to be sheeping me

and no probably not for a day phase or two

For all the same reasons I wanted to in our only other v/v game together.

Deli wrote: ↑Sat Jun 19, 2021 3:06 pm I’ve seen you miss the seer a bunch, and you got uppity at me for laughing that the wolves missed d1 when I was still pretending to be seer. Maybe I missed something, I thought Kami was the seer d1 which is why I dropped my peek on her lmao what is FPSing about the seer kills? It seems like correct peeks were killed, no? The Falcon kill actually heavily implicated you because idk who else kills someone with no peeks left behind. I ISO’d falcon and he had no peeks, you were literally talking about seers not leaving peeks (bsball I believe) last time you wolfed? I definitely think you take it seriously, which is why you didn’t kill me— I peeked you villa which outted to you that I’m not seer. You’re obviously just a wolf here.

You've seen me miss the seer by taking shots at seers who are peeking my wolfmates villagers?
Like I can literally only be a wolf if my partners are exactly Hyena and Creature fwiw-- who I think are your partners.
And I would never not kill Nanook last night if that were the case.

Esooa wrote: ↑Sat Jun 19, 2021 3:15 pm
Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Sat Jun 19, 2021 2:58 pm
MissSparkles wrote: ↑Sat Jun 19, 2021 2:51 pm You’re making good points.
I want to trust esooa but the constant vote swiching and implorations to hammer anyone doesn't exactly make that easy.
But where is Hyena?
I'm literally not trying at all and am not going to until idk, next game

The problem esooa is that I trust you and want to be sheeping you. So can you try?

Deli wrote: ↑Sat Jun 19, 2021 3:07 pm
Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Sat Jun 19, 2021 2:58 pm
MissSparkles wrote: ↑Sat Jun 19, 2021 2:51 pm You’re making good points.
I want to trust esooa but the constant vote swiching and implorations to hammer anyone doesn't exactly make that easy.
But where is Hyena?
^ lunchbox just wants to lunch any villager it seems.

I feel like Esooa claimed seer? Did I misread? Wtaf is this.

What? What?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Jun 13, 2021 10:17 pm [VOTE: ALISON] aubergineI've decided to sheep Hyena, they're my Top Town right now.

It's true that there is no reason reading Falcon to assume that he was actually leaving a Hyena peek. But there is no reason to not think it either. I still have no idea why any wolf team with Hyena on it would make it.

Deli wrote: ↑Sat Jun 19, 2021 2:57 pm I’m voting luckbox, it’s obvious to me from modding him wolfing and seeing him wolf so much. I don’t have time to case the other wagons but I stand by my soul read on creature as well, haven’t read his recent posting but probably don’t need to.

LOL
This is literally the case that I was telling you should have been making and now you're making it.
But lets hear this all out. Have you ever seen me FPS a seer kill or not take seer hunting super seriously? What is it about my play here that makes my role "obvious" to you?

MissSparkles wrote: ↑Sat Jun 19, 2021 2:51 pm You’re making good points.

I want to trust esooa but the constant vote swiching and implorations to hammer anyone doesn't exactly make that easy.
But where is Hyena?

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Sat Jun 19, 2021 1:59 pm Deli's whole sequence on me is pretty hard to see from a villager perspective.
D1 Deli posting about me a bunch, saying that they found my posting weird early, noting that I was being wishy-washy, and putting me on wolf lists.
Then on D2, they come out and peek me villager-- Deli has said that due to their participation, they wanted to do their part in fake seering-- but why then all of a sudden believe that I'm a villager? If Deli legitimately thought I could be a wolf on D1, they would not then choose to use me a fake V peek imo.
Then today, they're out calling me a wolf because they didn't die or I didn't die or something. There isn't any sort of logical progression there.
And remember that Deli has seen my game more up close than anyone. Deli has modded very recent wolf games of mine, seen how I seer hunt, how I village, and should be able to make some pretty insightful reads on me. And all of that is lacking.
I'm actually fine just going there today because I'm confident enough and letting the wolves resolve the seer stuff. Still think it's just likely Deli/Hyena/Creature
[VOTE: Deli] aubergine

Deli wrote: ↑Sat Jun 19, 2021 2:37 pm Like luckbox is just a wolf here 99% of the time

I feel like this should be the post you're responding to and not the one on Alison.

Deli wrote: ↑Sat Jun 19, 2021 2:37 pm
Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Sat Jun 19, 2021 1:46 pm
Deli wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 5:17 pm I think this is my first time playing with Alison, their posting seemed good to me from what I have read
This was weird and I noticed it at the time.
How would you "think" it's your first time playing with Alison? You would know and say something like "I don't know Alison at all but their posting seems good"...
really weird to not know there. I get that you've played at multiple places and stuff but still.
It really isn’t weird, it’s weird that you think it would be weird. I may have played with her on MU but I’m not sure. I think this is our first time because the avatar is different than the other account that was just a basic girl name that I’m thinking could be her. Why do you think this is a weird? What about it is wolfy to you? You’re working really hard to set me up for a mislunch and have been all game, which is wolfy for you tbh. Normally, as a villa you would be much more confident and assertive, instead of trying to make a case like this. Just my opinion yo

I think it's weird and I said in that post that I know you've played on other accounts. It's just weird phrasing though. I noticed in real time though and on iso chose to post about it.

Deli's whole sequence on me is pretty hard to see from a villager perspective.
D1 Deli posting about me a bunch, saying that they found my posting weird early, noting that I was being wishy-washy, and putting me on wolf lists.
Then on D2, they come out and peek me villager-- Deli has said that due to their participation, they wanted to do their part in fake seering-- but why then all of a sudden believe that I'm a villager? If Deli legitimately thought I could be a wolf on D1, they would not then choose to use me a fake V peek imo.
Then today, they're out calling me a wolf because they didn't die or I didn't die or something. There isn't any sort of logical progression there.
And remember that Deli has seen my game more up close than anyone. Deli has modded very recent wolf games of mine, seen how I seer hunt, how I village, and should be able to make some pretty insightful reads on me. And all of that is lacking.
I'm actually fine just going there today because I'm confident enough and letting the wolves resolve the seer stuff. Still think it's just likely Deli/Hyena/Creature
[VOTE: Deli] aubergine

Deli wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 5:17 pm I think this is my first time playing with Alison, their posting seemed good to me from what I have read

This was weird and I noticed it at the time.
How would you "think" it's your first time playing with Alison? You would know and say something like "I don't know Alison at all but their posting seems good"...
really weird to not know there. I get that you've played at multiple places and stuff but still.

Deli wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 11:48 am [VOTE: Creature] aubergine

This seems fine

Deli wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 12:54 pm Ok now I am doubting my read… that wagon picked up way too fast

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 12:56 pm
Deli wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 12:54 pm Ok now I am doubting my read… that wagon picked up way too fast
Wolfy

Deli wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 12:57 pm nobody else finds it weird that two people came in and sheeped my vote?

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 1:08 pm
Deli wrote: ↑Tue Jun 15, 2021 12:57 pm nobody else finds it weird that two people came in and sheeped my vote?
It was just two votes. The Alison vote is certainly noteworthy as she's been clearing Creature.

Fun sequence here for the Deli/Creature w/w file.
Deli votes Creature-- then Alison and someone else votes Creature and Deli is like "woah".
I call that wolfy because it is wolfy. Two votes isn't a wagon "picking up way too fast".
Still reading through Deli iso but it's totally within wolf range up until this point.

Deli wrote: ↑Sat Jun 19, 2021 12:23 pm I figured you were a good peek because it functioned two ways. If I peek you villa and you are, maybe I draw the NK. If I peek you villa and you are wolf, then I don’t die because you know I’m not seer, but I know you’re wolf now. With the Kami flip I know that I’m right on 1/2 peeks, so I had decent seer equity going into n2. Maybe my seer play was bad or maybe my peek on you was wrong, but I was thinking how absent I have been might add seer equity

This whole part is just wolfy of course. If you were a villager you wouldn't know at all that I'm a wolf just because you didn't die. I certainly aren't able to come to any sort of conclusions because I didn't die.

Deli wrote: ↑Sat Jun 19, 2021 12:23 pm
Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Sat Jun 19, 2021 12:09 pm
Deli wrote: ↑Sat Jun 19, 2021 12:07 pm
Deli wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 11:58 pm Weird that I didn’t kill, Thor I Munich my seer game quits well and was right in Kami :0
Sober translation: weird that I didn’t get killed, thought I mimicked my seer game well and I was right on Kami :0

Lmao
lol that's great and amazing. I thought maybe you could be seer but why did you decide I was clear suddenly after D1? And would you really peek if you suspected me?
Not really sure what’s going on anymore but we’re about to go sightseeing, sorry I’m not helping much

I figured you were a good peek because it functioned two ways. If I peek you villa and you are, maybe I draw the NK. If I peek you villa and you are wolf, then I don’t die because you know I’m not seer, but I know you’re wolf now. With the Kami flip I know that I’m right on 1/2 peeks, so I had decent seer equity going into n2. Maybe my seer play was bad or maybe my peek on you was wrong, but I was thinking how absent I have been might add seer equity

So what's going on is we have two seer claims, and esooa wants to kill the seer that peeked her village, and I want to kill the seer that peeked me village.

Deli wrote: ↑Sat Jun 19, 2021 12:33 pm Luckbox frozen wolf lol?

Ttfn I really gotta go now

Lol. Was outside smoking a blunt and left my phone indoors for once.

Deli wrote: ↑Sat Jun 19, 2021 12:07 pm
Deli wrote: ↑Fri Jun 18, 2021 11:58 pm Weird that I didn’t kill, Thor I Munich my seer game quits well and was right in Kami :0
Sober translation: weird that I didn’t get killed, thought I mimicked my seer game well and I was right on Kami :0

Lmao

lol that's great and amazing. I thought maybe you could be seer but why did you decide I was clear suddenly after D1? And would you really peek if you suspected me?

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