The Syndicate

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 12:55 pm @Jackofhearts2005
@ButterscotchSundae
@EnderWiggin
@Guillotine
@IBA

I am scrutinizing all of you if luck flips town and if you're wolf prepare to receive a formalized declaration of war

I have not heard a gosh darn good reason to flip him

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 12:38 pm

Naviya wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 12:36 pm Jackofhearts
Butterscotch

If I'm not a total clown and Luckbox flips villa then these slots are

I'm sketchy anyway.

Why is Luckbox a villa?

IBA wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 12:29 pm

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 12:24 pm

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 12:21 pm Can someone also explain to me why we're close to killing Luckbox?

I haven't encountered a strong reason for me to not read him as town so far, though I haven't read everything since last (IRL) night.

There's no reason at all. When Kza flipped last night I was like "well kza was an obvious villager" and people were like-- "lol you're a wolf". And because I think there are wolves voting me in Butters, and potentially IBA and Guillotine

Also like, scum do not need to generate mislynches, that's never really an issue, especially day 1. Scum are far more likely to put effort into pocketing.

Although "people voting me must be scum" is a good look in fairness. It's bad but also a pretty common townie response emotionally.

IBA wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 12:26 pm

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 12:24 pm

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 12:21 pm Can someone also explain to me why we're close to killing Luckbox?

I haven't encountered a strong reason for me to not read him as town so far, though I haven't read everything since last (IRL) night.

There's no reason at all. When Kza flipped last night I was like "well kza was an obvious villager" and people were like-- "lol you're a wolf". And because I think there are wolves voting me in Butters, and potentially IBA and Guillotine

I mean like with your comment about wig above, the issue is you presuming familiarity with who is and isn't a wolf which, I don't know if I need to tell you this, only the wolves know.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 11:29 am [VOTE: sig] aubergine

I looked through Sig's ISO and while early on I thought he looked pretty good, his play involving LoMo reeks of TMI. Given that I was up to be investigated and LoMo dropped the ball on the investigation, any towny would at least have some suspicion of us as a team. What does Sig do? Well apparently Sig is scumreading me, but defending LoMo. While he is right that we shouldn't just yeet someone based on negligence alone, it is clear he isn't doing any sort of worldbuilding here or thinking critically about what happened. My guess? Sig scum, LoMo town, Sig trying to either pocket LoMo or get on the right side of an incoming townflip.

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 12:21 pm Can someone also explain to me why we're close to killing Luckbox?

I haven't encountered a strong reason for me to not read him as town so far, though I haven't read everything since last (IRL) night.

IBA wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 12:13 pm
Why do you know he's not a wolf? :sirengif: :sirengif:

Felicis wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 12:07 pm Have you played with Seanzie before, Luckbox?

Felicis wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 11:58 am

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 11:29 am [VOTE: sig] aubergine

I looked through Sig's ISO and while early on I thought he looked pretty good, his play involving LoMo reeks of TMI. Given that I was up to be investigated and LoMo dropped the ball on the investigation, any towny would at least have some suspicion of us as a team. What does Sig do? Well apparently Sig is scumreading me, but defending LoMo. While he is right that we shouldn't just yeet someone based on negligence alone, it is clear he isn't doing any sort of worldbuilding here or thinking critically about what happened. My guess? Sig scum, LoMo town, Sig trying to either pocket LoMo or get on the right side of an incoming townflip.

I like dis, dis more like the Seanzie I'm used to.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 11:45 am

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 11:44 am And my reactions are fine. I don't get that at all either. Is it just the post-kza death post or is there another bad reaction?

Every time I've wagoned you

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 11:34 am Quick recap of Luckbox:

Spoiler: show

Enters thread with admittedly wolfy opening - NAI
Jokes about votes giving power - NAI
Extra kills via lynch good for village - True and NAI
Admits to lying about getting powers - NAI
Comments on being long days - NAI fluff
Points out he said his opening was awkward when someone else said it - Lean-wolf very slight as if he's trying to discredit the post/read
Says he likes making trolly d1 posts - NAI
"I have opinions on everyone posted so far but I'mma not say them."
"I'm good at reading tone" - Rebuffing Justin pointing out that reads on everyone at this point was weak
No reason to keep the lie going, gun to head EOD vote: Martin - Interesting but probably NAI
Admits he didn't expect anyone to believe vote power joke - NAI
Greatest early case on him - This is weird
"None of it is even weird. It's a post I've made before-- which I tried to find just now but couldn't.

But the whole question of why I didn't just keep going with it is because that's just not what I do, and it would have been silly, and it's not actually true that I get special powers from being voted and it wouldn't be acceptable or good to lead anyone on that that's the case. So that part is pretty easy.
What makes Martin's case the greatest ever is because it's pretty much conjured up based on nothing. And I like it and think he might be a villager even." - Sudden flip on Martin read
Votes Justin
Responds to Martin - Both suddenly towning each other after early conflict
Asks about outing - NAI
Corrections
"I guess Justin is agreeing with me or me him" - Talking about outing info
"I like his tone too. I'm not saying he can't be a wolf-- I know nothing about him. But my impression is that he isn't." - Defending Martin v read
"Creature probably a wolf like always"
"I'll end up mostly cleared with some lingering questions about me by D2. But I'm actually a pretty decent villager." - Lmao
"Hallokatt can be a wolf"
"Apologies. But you I was thinking could be one of the bad people in this game based on your posting so far." - Responding to HK after HK jokes about the missed w
"It's already obvious your not and you're way outside your wolf range? If so just say so and I'll believe you for sure." - HK laughing at LB for w read
"you've got to start somewhere" - Justin making snarking comments about D1 w reads
"I've never seen you mad and only ever seen you wolf though..." - Responding to Creature
Asks Creature what his V is like
Acknowledged he was ignoring Falc when I jokingly said "w/w" on it
"Martin not a wolf
Ender not a wolf
Sig can be a wolf
imo"
"you're breaking my heart Mac" - Mac agreeing with my first vote on LB
"I'm not really in the mood to explain all of my reads but it's all mostly tone. I can be wrong pretty easily." - Someone asked about his earlier reads.
"You're asking Mac for a reason why you should town read me when he's voting me?"
"Hey!!!!!
Now I'm ready to play ww.
Tell these people I can super easily be a villager plz.
Also Mac and Ender voting me seems a bit strange.
You a wolf?" - First Butter interaction
Agrees with Justin talking shit about Guillo's memes
Asks people to sign up to 2+2 game
"Do you actually have a reason for thinking I'm a wolf? I've been assuming you were voting me for reactions for something." - To me
Changes vote to Seanzie
Misses my "another school" joke
Admits he has no idea about the "another school" joke
Calls Guillo's reads list propaganda
Starts to question Butters
"Because you've never even seen me play before and I feel like I should get some sort of benefit of the doubt." - Responding to Mac asking why me/him voting LB was weird
"To clarify: I just modded a game that Mac and Enders were in so I saw their games but they haven't seen mine, and then both of them are out voting me early and pushing me like they know my meta-- which is interesting. They can both be villagers still." - Hedging
"In my first game here I said I had a n0 wolf peek and that generated some decent discussion.
Then I counterclaimed the seer because he was lying about one of his peeks (kza) and I have a sick kza read.
So yeah I can definitely tell a silly lie about my role."
"Axe seems like a villager (because there is some thought process to their posts-- for people who like explanations)"
Asks about RVS
Slight banter with Mac
"there's a bit more to it than that although using thought is definitely helpful." - Defending his Axe tr
"Well there's also tone.
Thought + tone is a good combination." - Still defending the read
"Even people asking other people to explain their reads is starting to upset me"
Agrees he's v reading Mac
Claims N0 on KZA
Says it'll be weird for Butters and him
Presses Butter for reads
Presses Butter for more reads
Calls my scumlist bad - Oh wait I had Martin99 down the bottom before I waffled on him already. Shit I'm consistent.
"I'm at risk there" - Naviya asking for slots coasting/disengaging
"I've only played one game with Falcon and they were killed n1 and only had 21 posts-- but the posts match up perfectly with what I've seen of village game." - I actually agree with this read
"I'm here btw and have been here all day and will be here all day. Opened up all the pages in tabs but haven't begun to reread anything and don't know if I even want to. Although isoing Ender and comparing him to the village game I just saw might be productive.

There are a number of people I think are villagers like Martin, Axe, Narivya, probably Justin. Falcon too, and KZA. Those can all be my villagers. Everyone else is poe wolf but I can probably find some more villagers with some work."
"Creature: any reads?" - Pressing creature for reads
"Read Falcon's iso and think he's a bad vote. Everything seems normal, matches my small meta, and it's all people I think are villagers voting him."
"Why Felicis, Kza and Justin?
I've got reasons to think all of them are good-- mostly tone stuff"
"not really any reason to. This is completely within Creature's wolf range." - Probably true but it's also in v!range
"I don't disagree.
Did you have a plan for when you might leave your wolf range?" - Following up with Creature
"For Creature it's either wolfy or role neutral. I'm not sure which." - Or neutral on Syndicate, but if his MU meta was different I can understand
"I mean Creature is also the biggest LHF kill there is. But yeah-- I saw that game. And I've also seen him actually play as a wolf where he did things to try to distance from his partners, and did have read.
So idk. Definitely no reason to clear him now or think he's villagery." - Also don't think we need to get rid of him because his slot will probably resolve itself later
"I don't follow. He hasn't done anything." - Axe saying he was over-estimating Creature's W game
"are you really not a wolf?
(I was wondering when night is too)" - Pushing on Butters
Pushes for a few more posts on Butters
Defends Axe
Says he wouldn't w/w with Butters like this
"@MacDougall it gives me the sads to see you voting me. I went went looking to see who you were voting thinking about sheeping lol.
Do you have another suggestion?
I feel pretty villagery right now fwiw"
Starts Ender w reads with "Wolf, villager, wolf, wolf
Maybe" and a screenshot of votes on himself
Pushes more on butters
"pure Luckbox tone oozing out from every word he types.
that can't be faked."
Says "Whaaaa???" at HK suggesting voting KZA
"Ender you're still a wolf right?"
"I can do that in the morning." - When I ask for his reads
"Kza is my n0 though and is lock clear" - @HK
"My reads are all super pure. My impression of you btw is that you're pushing buttons." - At me, and yes that's what I do.
"well kza was obvious villager" - The well poked reaction to KZA flipping
"Widely town read by me though. Kza was my n0." - Defending his read
"lol why?" - Reaction to me welcoming IBA to the LB wagon
"Your're probably just a wolf still." - Response to me again
"Good posts that didn't seem like they were made from a wolf and because I have a sick kza soul read going back to my first and only game with her." - Explaining KZA read
"I mean lol @ voting me for clearing kza
excellent play"
"weren't you clearing me earlier or was it just me clearing you?" - Response to Grogu
"Because I read kza too well?" - When I said he was one of the acceptable end wagons
"I'll allow you to make me a wagon and kill me tomorrow and I won't fight it too hard"
"I mean today on this game day.
This game isn't really going to work out well for me because I don't know anyone here and don't feel like explaining that all my reads are based on tone and general impressions of people."
"lol.
You're a wolf right?" - At IBA
"claiming that I'm a wolf for thinking kza was super villagery is just lol.
I've been clearing kza the whole game." - He has, but it was more the reaction and not the read
"I've ceased caring and I'm set to get myself killed fwiw"
"Pure Kza tone that I first recognized in my first game with kza, when nanook tried to fake peek her.
But it doesn't matter." - Explaining KZA read
"I don't have the ability to explain reads on anybody but Butters, and barely even her. If you all want to believe that kza isn't a person I could be confident on then kill me." - All this AtE
"What?" - Reacting to IBA
"Why are you so smug so when you actually haven't done anything this game and your reads seem all over the place?
Why shouldn't I be flipping you?" - Reacting to me
"Yeah you're a wolf for just making stuff up" - To IBA
"It also seems like you're just making up your read on me" - Lol, still responding to me
"Going to sleep. I'll make some posts in the morning.
Creature can still pretty easily be a wolf though. Butters more so.
I haven't moved my vote though because I haven't seen a need for it. Usually I vote people for reactions though on D1 early and we're past that stage.
If eod were right now I'd say kill Butters although she's only 72% wolf-- it's the best I've got."
More Butters pushing
Votes Butters
"I've also been ignoring all the Falcon/LOMO event stuff.
Hopefully you all can figure that out."
"How are you not a wolf? It's like your names are all picked out randomly." - At me
"After they kill me, try to remember please that I have her at 72% wolf.

Also I've played with her for forever and know exactly what she is supposed to sound like."
"I was considering it." - Responding to me asking if he was gonna call all my reads made up.

Honestly, his reactions are bad, but that doesn't make him super-scum.

I just want to flip him because he's cared more about perception of his actions than solving.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 11:29 am [VOTE: sig] aubergine

I looked through Sig's ISO and while early on I thought he looked pretty good, his play involving LoMo reeks of TMI. Given that I was up to be investigated and LoMo dropped the ball on the investigation, any towny would at least have some suspicion of us as a team. What does Sig do? Well apparently Sig is scumreading me, but defending LoMo. While he is right that we shouldn't just yeet someone based on negligence alone, it is clear he isn't doing any sort of worldbuilding here or thinking critically about what happened. My guess? Sig scum, LoMo town, Sig trying to either pocket LoMo or get on the right side of an incoming townflip.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 11:16 am

ButterscotchSundae wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 8:19 pm

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 8:12 pm This is where I tell people that I've been playing ww with Butters longer than some of them have been alive (apparently) and that I read her super well.
Tone is off.

Okay, 1) caught you! and 2) are you calling me OLD?

Yeah, super rude.

If Luckbox and Butters are still both like "I am super good at reading the other one and they are a wolf" why don't we yeet them both for a 100% chance of getting scum?

Spoiler: show

I know that's not how stats work and I actually don't have a read on Butters but whatever.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 11:01 am Are you going to claim I've just been making up reads?

Naviya wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 11:00 am I thnink Butterscotch has been pretty villagery actually?
They feel super relaxed in their ISO but still in the mindset of finding wolve

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 10:58 am Last sleep before end of day, just in case I'm not around here's my thoughts:

Towny so far:
Dana
MacDougall - This is not solid, don't clear him if I get napped.

Light/Null Town:
Creature
DaughterofOmega
Grogu
lost monkey
Naviya
IBA

Middle of the Road:
falcon
Felicis
Guillotine
NotanAxeHole - I keep going back and forth on this dude and his tunnel

Light scum lean:
Hollowkatt
JackofHearts2005
Long con

Lynchable:
Luckbox
MartinGG99
Seanzie
sig
TonyStarkPrime

Wiggin me out:
EnderWiggin

I would prefer if the lynch comes from the Lynchable list, both of them.

Falcon probably reads town because he tends to push on dumb shit on D1 (the 1 game meta strikes again!)

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 7:45 am Butters and DoO both seem town on ISO

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 2:58 am @Luckbox Inc you have been parked on Creature for a long time and through a lot of events. Do you tend to be someone who doesn't move your vote around and can you give me a snapshot of your current broad feelings towards the game? @ButterscotchSundae can you please validate his answer for me when you see this.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 2:49 am

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 2:47 am

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 2:45 am

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 2:43 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 2:41 am

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 2:40 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 2:38 am

can you articulate what it was about kza that made you townread them so vociferously?

Pure Kza tone that I first recognized in my first game with kza, when nanook tried to fake peek her.
But it doesn't matter.

Why doesn't it matter? it matters to me right now so it matters. Don't be all defeatist or you'll just get turboed. You owe it to your teammates of whatever persuasion.

I don't have the ability to explain reads on anybody but Butters, and barely even her. If you all want to believe that kza isn't a person I could be confident on then kill me.

I also had KZA firmly in my silent town.

It was more the reaction that felt weird.

Not that I needed much reason to flip you.

Why are you so smug so when you actually haven't done anything this game and your reads seem all over the place?
Why shouldn't I be flipping you?

Wait, I come across as smug?

That's not the intention.

IBA wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 2:47 am

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 2:46 am

IBA wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 2:45 am Literally everything Luckbox says hinges on a pre-determined state of incuriosity about the game

What?

"Well kza was obviously town but the reasons were obvious, I don't have to explain, anyway it's pointless I'll obviously be lynched"

You do not seem to be at all driven by curiosity like

Almost like you just know the state of the game and everyone's alignments already or something

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 2:45 am

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 2:43 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 2:41 am

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 2:40 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 2:38 am

can you articulate what it was about kza that made you townread them so vociferously?

Pure Kza tone that I first recognized in my first game with kza, when nanook tried to fake peek her.
But it doesn't matter.

Why doesn't it matter? it matters to me right now so it matters. Don't be all defeatist or you'll just get turboed. You owe it to your teammates of whatever persuasion.

I don't have the ability to explain reads on anybody but Butters, and barely even her. If you all want to believe that kza isn't a person I could be confident on then kill me.

I also had KZA firmly in my silent town.

It was more the reaction that felt weird.

Not that I needed much reason to flip you.

IBA wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 2:45 am Literally everything Luckbox says hinges on a pre-determined state of incuriosity about the game

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 2:41 am

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 2:40 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 2:38 am

can you articulate what it was about kza that made you townread them so vociferously?

Pure Kza tone that I first recognized in my first game with kza, when nanook tried to fake peek her.
But it doesn't matter.

Why doesn't it matter? it matters to me right now so it matters. Don't be all defeatist or you'll just get turboed. You owe it to your teammates of whatever persuasion.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 2:38 am

can you articulate what it was about kza that made you townread them so vociferously?

DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 2:35 am Hmm, either Luckbox is mafia, or there are mafia sitting in the 3 man group I saw pushing them.

Ponder.

IBA wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 2:34 am

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 2:32 am

IBA wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 2:28 am

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 2:14 am

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 2:09 am Luckbox/Sig is acceptable as end wagons tbh.

Because I read kza too well?

unironically yes that's what a knowledge tell is

lol.
You're a wolf right?

Pretty wolf response tbh

Also noob town but it's d1, I'll take that coinflip

IBA wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 2:28 am

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 2:14 am

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 2:09 am Luckbox/Sig is acceptable as end wagons tbh.

Because I read kza too well?

unironically yes that's what a knowledge tell is

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 2:18 am
Why tomorrow specifically? Got a oneshot power you want to get off tonight?

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 2:15 am

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 2:14 am

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 2:09 am Luckbox/Sig is acceptable as end wagons tbh.

Because I read kza too well?

Yeah. I can't believe how I scumread you after you read kza and had you as null or town before /s

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 2:09 am Luckbox/Sig is acceptable as end wagons tbh.

Grogu wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 2:04 am

IBA wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 1:55 am Let's kill Luckbox ynot

I’m down

IBA wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 1:59 am

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 1:58 am

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 1:57 am

IBA wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 1:54 am

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 1:52 am well kza was obvious villager

Scumpost alert scumpost alert

God we don't even have a siren emoticon what is this absolute hellhole of a bulletin board

Welcome to the "Luckbox is obviscum" wagon. We have cookies.

lol why?

Why was kza obviously a villager?

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 1:59 am

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 1:58 am

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 1:57 am

IBA wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 1:54 am

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Wed Jun 30, 2021 1:52 am well kza was obvious villager

Scumpost alert scumpost alert

God we don't even have a siren emoticon what is this absolute hellhole of a bulletin board

Welcome to the "Luckbox is obviscum" wagon. We have cookies.

lol why?

In the words of Esooa, "I can't be bothered explaining, just vote."

(Case can be done later when I'm not at work.)