The Syndicate

sig wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 9:32 pm
Have you been reading the thread and who wants me lynched lol.

Legit your talking about joining Ax's wagon on me when he's town coring people. Those two don't compute.

People putting a towncore together are fine as long as they re-check that core later.

I'm not 100% clearing anyone I town hard but I don't feel the need to get them today/tomorrow.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 9:34 pm I say we chop Sig/butters Sig/tsp or tsp/butters. Don't be a coward by shooting both sides of an unlikely SvS

But it'd be fun if they both flip red.

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 9:31 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 9:30 pm
Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 9:29 pm Butters is probably definitely a wolf fwiw
I have been wrong and can be wrong but I doubt I am
So would you be okay with Butters/You for today's double flip?
I'm a power villager, lol

Okay.

sig wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 9:31 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 9:30 pm
sig wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 9:29 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 9:27 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 9:26 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 9:15 pm This is where Mac is scum all along and we get strung into mls to lose.
Possible sure. otoh if he's around in a couple days and hasn't coughed up a pelt we can just kill him?
This is my approach.

Current lynches you'd be down with HK?
Agreed, but the man has also hard bussed before. Chances of hard bussing will increase depending on his role.
If he successfully hardbusses and survives we just flip him later.
I'm not crusading against him. If he's town he's a good asset. BUT, throwing him in town core/circle who's gonna be trusted more and locktown is very dumb.

If people locktown the D1 towncore then they're smoking something.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 9:30 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 9:27 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 9:26 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 9:15 pm This is where Mac is scum all along and we get strung into mls to lose.
Possible sure. otoh if he's around in a couple days and hasn't coughed up a pelt we can just kill him?
This is my approach.

Current lynches you'd be down with HK?
butters, seanzie, sig, kza seem cool to chop. I'd say iba for not showing up but that's either a replacement or a modkill anyways so eh.
I had sus on mac earlier today but can't remember why

IBA was in a champs game so I don't hold the absence against em.

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 9:29 pm Butters is probably definitely a wolf fwiw
I have been wrong and can be wrong but I doubt I am

So would you be okay with Butters/You for today's double flip?

sig wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 9:29 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 9:27 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 9:26 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 9:15 pm This is where Mac is scum all along and we get strung into mls to lose.
Possible sure. otoh if he's around in a couple days and hasn't coughed up a pelt we can just kill him?
This is my approach.

Current lynches you'd be down with HK?
Agreed, but the man has also hard bussed before. Chances of hard bussing will increase depending on his role.

If he successfully hardbusses and survives we just flip him later.

I could see Butters/Guillo, I'd have to reread and can't rn.

I too like to powerwolf with friends.

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 9:26 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 9:15 pm This is where Mac is scum all along and we get strung into mls to lose.
Possible sure. otoh if he's around in a couple days and hasn't coughed up a pelt we can just kill him?

This is my approach.

Current lynches you'd be down with HK?

Luck/Butters/TSP/Sig would all be okay flips.

sig wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 9:23 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 9:21 pm
sig wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 9:20 pm But, like real talk all seriousness. I've got a pretty amazing gut read on Mac across history. combo of gut and tone has me thinking more and more he's mafia.

I'm to lazy to like build a case or anything, but someone else should.
you have an amazing history of limp dick pushing me when you're mafia and dying too tho
literally laughed out loud about this. Since its totally true. BUT that only happened once. Other time it happened we were mafia but on opposing teams so I was right.

Generally I'm civ and i'm correct on reading you and this response is still mafiaesqu of mac vs civ mac.

I just played with w!Mac. If this is also w!Mac then he has a wide scumrange.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 9:18 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 9:17 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 9:16 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 9:15 pm This is where Mac is scum all along and we get strung into mls to lose.
im not but maybe you are
And thus, on the eve of their unification, there was dissent in their ranks.

And lo, did a great schism form.
id rather not

You have a god avatar, I'm trying to write a dramatic in the style of biblical text, what's not to love?

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 9:18 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 9:15 pm This is where Mac is scum all along and we get strung into mls to lose.
I've been considering that this entire time. I don't think it's the case.

I mean, I was entirely joking with the post.

If Mac is scum I revisit that another day. There are bigger fish to fry.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 9:16 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 9:15 pm This is where Mac is scum all along and we get strung into mls to lose.
im not but maybe you are

And thus, on the eve of their unification, there was dissent in their ranks.

And lo, did a great schism form.

This is where Mac is scum all along and we get strung into mls to lose.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 9:02 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 8:59 pm Luckbox/Butters is probably w/w or w/v, so if lb goes green we need to think about that.
did you get the same vibe I got?

The back and forth banter feeling like Kami/SA performance art? Yeah, got that vibe. =P

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 9:04 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 8:59 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 8:58 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 8:57 pm Given Axe apparently is super obvious scum when he rands scum I'm willing to put him as "bad town" for now.
I don't think he's super obvious at all as scum. I think that's bullshit lol.

I think he's town but not because he's polarised.
I'm just reading other people's thoughts on him officah.
When you're a entitled prick, people make unfair assumptions. I'm terrible at scum, but very few players are good at reading me tbh.

I appreciate you owning it.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 9:03 pm why not LB/Butters?

I can absolutely do LB/Butters

I don't want second lynch with Axe and Creature in the rand.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 8:58 pm
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 8:57 pm Given Axe apparently is super obvious scum when he rands scum I'm willing to put him as "bad town" for now.
I don't think he's super obvious at all as scum. I think that's bullshit lol.

I think he's town but not because he's polarised.

I'm just reading other people's thoughts on him officah.

Luckbox/Butters is probably w/w or w/v, so if lb goes green we need to think about that.

Given Axe apparently is super obvious scum when he rands scum I'm willing to put him as "bad town" for now.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 8:51 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 8:49 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 8:47 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 8:46 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 8:39 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 8:35 pmStarV?
Sheep me, and bring your friends
how bout you sheep me
Your D1 is weaker
I am a different proposition on forums in fairness
I could compromise by going back onto TSP if you're still thinking that.

Can we get TSP to second for the other lynch?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 8:21 pm luckbox/butters w/w

Kinda reminding me of lastgame =P

[VOTE: Luckbox] aubergine

I'm back here.

[VOTE: unvote] aubergine

Actually thinking on it I'd probably be same as Falc.

ButterscotchSundae wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 8:00 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 7:57 pm
ButterscotchSundae wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 7:55 pm I was thinking of finding my way to a Falcon vote...but I just saw that Luckbox is voting Creature. That's...concerning. To say the least.
why
Because Luckbox has played with Creature a lot. Enough to know that Creatures is a very difficult player to read AND that everyone always wants to kill him. It's a CLASSIC LHF situation. Which Dustin (Luckbox) should know.

Creature's D1 seems to be NAI slank for the most part. He did similar last game and was town.

If Luck has played with him a lot I'd maybe think my original w!luckbox was legit.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 7:55 pm Martin does appear to be supreme omega town tho

Seconded

[VOTE: Falcon] aubergine

Mac, thoughts on Falcon

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 7:49 pm Falcon pushes the investigation off Justin, whomst wanted it on him. Weirdness there.

Seanzie not wanting to be investigated but voting himself in the end is pretty weird.

Lomo not voting. Not weird.

Ax not wanting to be investigated, also weird.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 7:48 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 7:47 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 7:46 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 7:45 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 7:44 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 7:43 pm how did you guys arrive at seanzie being the consensus if he was super active? how did he respond to the suggestions? were you expecting seanzie to be a red or green?
Sean didn't want to be investigated, but voted with us on himself.
he didn't want to be investigated? why?
Would you?
Unless someone else in there was howling and I thought I could get a red check yes.
Weird

Do you not like being cleared?

ButterscotchSundae wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 7:45 pm
Falcon got paranoid over possible investigative immunity as being a reason to volunteer.
That sounds like a reason to be incredibly suspicious of Falcon.
In what world would a wolf volunteer to be cop-checked knowing that they are not-checkable? All that would do is focus everyone's attention on them.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Jun 27, 2021 1:30 am Things that may be in this game:
3p (that isn't a jester, no jesters, fuck jesters now and forever)
Roles that effect the reliability of information received (i.e., godfather, miller, etc.)

Godfather maybe. Comes up inno.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 7:46 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 7:45 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 7:44 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 7:43 pm how did you guys arrive at seanzie being the consensus if he was super active? how did he respond to the suggestions? were you expecting seanzie to be a red or green?
Sean didn't want to be investigated, but voted with us on himself.
he didn't want to be investigated? why?
Would you?

Yes? Free cop-clear? Easiest path to dvc.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 7:45 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 7:44 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 7:43 pm how did you guys arrive at seanzie being the consensus if he was super active? how did he respond to the suggestions? were you expecting seanzie to be a red or green?
Sean didn't want to be investigated, but voted with us on himself.
he didn't want to be investigated? why?

Didn't want to be investigated is a bad feel

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 7:43 pm
ButterscotchSundae wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 7:39 pm Okay, so sorry I haven't been around. I did get drunk on bourbon milkshakes last night which I HIGHLY recommend. And Leverage was amazing.

I did not get lucky, but 2/3 ain't bad. When does night fall in this game anyway?
are you really not a wolf?
(I was wondering when night is too)

17ish hours.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 7:43 pm
sig wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 7:40 pm There’s no civ mindset world where you go after someone who is probably civ for messing something up it’s just the dumbest strategy ever.

If we wanna do that let’s also get rid of gullotine for meming, Justin for arguing, creature for not posting enough, the people who haven’t shown up and not even bother going after mafia.
I mean, I'm operating under the assumption that you knew what the event was and what the result was before it finished. I'm just considering possibilities now. It might be that scum lead the initiative to get seanzie because they weren't really being considered in the thread and Sig is TMI lomo town. I'm actually leaning that way right now, but I would still kill lomo

So how quickly do they construct tunnels where you're from?

ButterscotchSundae wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 7:39 pm Okay, so sorry I haven't been around. I did get drunk on bourbon milkshakes last night which I HIGHLY recommend. And Leverage was amazing.

I did not get lucky, but 2/3 ain't bad. When does night fall in this game anyway?

Spend an hour or so re-reading and thoughts?

Justinrs2 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 11:14 am
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 11:09 am Also:

[VOTE: unvote] aubergine
I don't get this. The level of participation I just dropped is easy for scum to fake? I haven't developed much of a case at all and have only just started going over my thoughts on people.

Basically I do not understand how this strategy helps you at all at scumhunting, but go off I guess.

D1 participation is good for re-reading.

Until we get into last 12 hours my job is to make sure I get as many people to provide interactions and thoughts as possible so that we have more content and information to sort through later after flips.

And now I'm gonna crash and come back.

Thank you for participating Justin.

I kinda want Jackofhearts today, but will think it over when I'm awake.

Also:

[VOTE: unvote] aubergine

Justinrs2 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 11:07 am As annoyingly as Guillotine is choosing to convey their thoughts, their thoughts do seem to align with what the meta here seems to view as "townie"- giving constantly updated reads and occasionally making posts calling out scummy behavior. If they can find a way to scumhunt with this it's probably best to avoid touching the slot, as sad as that may make me.

Axe had pinged me originally over this post:
https://mafiathesyndicate.com/viewtopic ... 81#p821481

I actually like it a lot more, provided Axe has experience with Wiggin, because I understand why they'd make this comment now.

Never played with Axe before. So...?

Justinrs2 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 10:46 am
I have participated more than others. My scumreads will come when they come. Forcing them will not benefit anyone, as they will be inaccurate. Your pressure does nothing, and your constant badgering for reads that are similarly useless is just obnoxious.

Justinrs2 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 12:44 am

You're not going to convince me of anything. I have seen evidence of the futility of TRs firsthand. I can't stop you from doing it, but I can avoid it myself.

Anyways if you want to read me I'll look at my wolf cases and see what my notecards say. The quality of my scumhunting is usually what's AI. I faked it really well last game as scum, but I do not have the energy to keep that up through this one.

Okay.

Look, I can understand you play mafia differently, and it's not like there is one unequivocal way to play mafia that is the best.

But getting input from town is how town gathers information. We don't get a lot outside of thread unless we got a power that does get info. Those people who have those roles are minority.

Town's victory requires a communal info sharing to allow for reads to be spread and for scum to slip up trying to fake those self-same reads that town are expected to make and progress.

I am not going to ask you for townreads, since you believe those provide info to scum. I don't agree with you, but your argument does have some potential merit.

I need you to co-operate with the rest of town. I don't know how it is where you come from, but here this isn't a super-hero swinging in with the best scumhunting to win the game. I give you license to re-make your reads later, I just need something from you.

Justinrs2 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 10:40 am
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 4:30 am [VOTE: Justin] aubergine

Where those scumreads you promised bro?
Are you always this annoying or is this AI?

Nah, normally I'm sweet and innocent.

Reads. If you're gonna act like you know what you're doing, follow it up with spew.

Naviya wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 10:33 am
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 10:29 am Rapid-fire top 3 scum and town, if you had to pick 3 for each right this moment?
Havent read enough of the game to judge accurately

Luckbox Ender Creature are the three people that I've read and were moderately villagery

Wolves would just be a shot in the dark for me right now
Guillotine is, a thing, and I'm fine with letting them do their thing as long as they contribute (I haven't verified whether they have or have not yet)
Axehole is weird but I'm not sure if it's an alignment-thing or a site-thing
Sig at first glance seemed sort of powerwolfy but like, I definitely would not push that read at all without re-evalutaing

I don't need accurate reads.

I just need your impressions.

I need your help for me to find the town in you.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 10:31 am Let's actually kill Sig though.

I'm not getting off Justin unless he actually provides the promised scumleans, and only then if I like him.

After that I'll have to consider who I want to kill the most. I'll say I was leaning townier on Sig for D1 so far, reminds me of the one game we've played together so far.

Wait, shit, now I've become a 1-game meta-reader. =P

Naviya wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 10:27 am
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 10:24 am I don't get this, if Luckbox was wolfy before, then he is still wolfy, if he wasn't worlfy before, then he's not wolfy.
I admitted my previous read on the slot had a good chance of being flawed?
I think I did at least
It was a first-post read

Rapid-fire top 3 scum and town, if you had to pick 3 for each right this moment?

Dana wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 10:27 am
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 10:11 am
Dana wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 9:54 am
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 9:43 am
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 4:30 am [VOTE: Justin] aubergine

Where those scumreads you promised bro?
I think people have deduced by this point that you're not interested in putting serious pressure, so I don't understand why bother at all? Or maybe Justin / Dana at the time were completely frozen and felt an overwhelming need to set the record straight
What do you mean by this? What is frozen and what record did I overwhelmingly need to straighten?
There is no hidden meaning, I'm saying that there's no point in "pressure" unless you're willing to let people contemplate their existence over L-1 which seems to be something (albeit, from my short existence here) that this site is unwilling to do for the sake of pressure... Therefore, there is no real pressure.
Please.. you're going to have to walk me through this a little bit... L-1 is when you need one more vote until hammer right? Why does existence need to be contemplated at that point I'm so confused. Everyone knows their own role so what is there to contemplate? Are you just lamenting about how people won't come together to start a wagon for "real pressure"?

He reckons that reactions to any wagon that isn't L-1 isn't going to be enough to expose wolfies. That's the "Contemplate Existence" thing is.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 10:26 am
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 10:25 am
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 10:24 am
Naviya wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 10:22 am Luckbox isn't wolfy anymore probably
Opening reads have a pretty decent chance of being wrong anyways
I don't get this, if Luckbox was wolfy before, then he is still wolfy, if he wasn't worlfy before, then he's not wolfy.
He's still wolfy.

I'm just pressuring Justin.
Come pressure Sig, let's try to get them under some real pressure.

Nah. Join me to get it to 4 votes on Justin.

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Tue Jun 29, 2021 10:24 am tbh I was expecting to have good or stronger reads for reading the past 600-something posts

I didn't. Well, not as many I would like.

going to read random isos

my eyes on grogu though that bastard has tricked me in the past with my attempts to get reliable reads on him and if it weren't for the soup kill I would ask for a check on him

That's about a 3 on the scumeter sir.

Please give your weak leans.

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