The Syndicate

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 8:54 am

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 8:53 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 8:47 am

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 8:43 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 8:38 am

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 10:54 pm This IS starting to feel more like Town Mac.

I don't know what to think about that.

I wanna say this is w!Ender but that sorta doesn’t jive with most of my other thoughts on Ender today

I'm always curious what makes people think certain turns of phrase are w!Ender.

I said it out loud and didn’t hear sincerity

I guess you say things sincerely differently to me.

Are you an Aussie or something

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 8:47 am

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 8:43 am

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 8:38 am

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 10:54 pm This IS starting to feel more like Town Mac.

I don't know what to think about that.

I wanna say this is w!Ender but that sorta doesn’t jive with most of my other thoughts on Ender today

I'm always curious what makes people think certain turns of phrase are w!Ender.

I said it out loud and didn’t hear sincerity

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 8:38 am

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 10:54 pm This IS starting to feel more like Town Mac.

I don't know what to think about that.

I wanna say this is w!Ender but that sorta doesn’t jive with most of my other thoughts on Ender today

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 8:41 am

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 11:23 pm @alexa

I say we should vote Mac out here.

I don't like high bars.

Openwolf post

ilario wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 7:35 am [VOTE: lime coke] aubergine

ehhhhh ive read over it again and im pretty sure lc just slipped in the post i mentioned earlier. lc being maf also explains my dilemma of: every time i feel good about my poe everyone in that poe suddenly becomes a lot townier. usually when that happens its because a scum has been cleared earlier and not revisited.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 4:07 am

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 4:05 am
Lol.

Well, I personally liked my LC case.

Look I am not saying I hate that you did it. I applaud it as either alignment. I just think you're probably capable of that level of fake analysis as a wolf. And aside from that I can't remember any other reads you made that were challenging. And you keep coming back to sus me, which keeps the pressure on me which fmpov is at best wolfsiding.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 4:01 am

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 4:00 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 3:57 am Ender is another who as of recent decided to get his ISO wriggle on but nothing he produced showed an incredible amount of insight and other than that his reads have not been provocative at all.

It feels to me like the wolves are resigned to Alexa being townread and are among those who are just feeding her bullshit. I think that's a near certainty at this point.

And yet I'm the "Most solvy" on your list?

Yes I know it sounds contradictory. I have a habit of making reads on people simply because they do a thing and revising the read when I actually look at the content. The same thing I did with Wiml's read on me earlier.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 3:57 am Ender is another who as of recent decided to get his ISO wriggle on but nothing he produced showed an incredible amount of insight and other than that his reads have not been provocative at all.

It feels to me like the wolves are resigned to Alexa being townread and are among those who are just feeding her bullshit. I think that's a near certainty at this point.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 2:53 am @Lime Coke @ilario @alexa @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME @Wiml @EnderWiggin @TonyStarkPrime @Esooa

if there was one player in the game you would say is most likely town and one who is most likely mafia who would they be? plz tag me in reply.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Aug 03, 2021 12:03 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 11:57 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 11:55 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 11:40 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 11:39 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 11:23 pm If i was going to score people based on the quantity and quality of their solving I would have Esooa and Ender at the top. Alexa and Ilario thereish. Maybe this is just how I need to read this game.

I think you know this is usually a bad way to read the game

If the standard of solving is awful and low it is, but in mountainous it's optimal and requires enforcing higher standard. Otherwise the game is just a rand idiotic mess.

Eh, not really, just need to hit one mafia then you can usually solve it with votes and associations

Its probably close to solvable with associations right now tbh given how polarized most of the world building has been, but I don't really have the capacity to figure it out atm

yes so basically everything you said prior is redundant due to the bolded so ...

Yeah it is harder to do when it involves rereading like a thousand posts lol

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 11:40 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 11:39 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 11:23 pm If i was going to score people based on the quantity and quality of their solving I would have Esooa and Ender at the top. Alexa and Ilario thereish. Maybe this is just how I need to read this game.

I think you know this is usually a bad way to read the game

If the standard of solving is awful and low it is, but in mountainous it's optimal and requires enforcing higher standard. Otherwise the game is just a rand idiotic mess.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 11:17 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 10:38 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 2:21 pm Something that came off of that though was Soda's reaction to that. Talking about him leaving me on the back burner as town to push later as scum. As if he actually had it that I was town and shaded Ender for it.
But then he immediately ran back to me being scum, which might've spewed the both of us town with the way he was going about it?

Hmmm.

Am I confbiasing and saying this is weaker and therefore doesn't count for what I'm looking for?

This wasn't the Soda read I was talking about, pretty sure I had another one that was actually detailed in there?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 10:51 pm @EnderWiggin I still think the most strictly wolfy thing that I have seen in this game so far was the TSP fake derptell. Has your TSP read updated?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 10:40 pm surely the best lime coke game for meta purposes would be the wolf game he just played on this site with half the same players? why are we deep diving into his entire backstory?

ilario wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 10:35 am
these game are a better depictor of his town game.

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/30377
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/31177 hes mystery player and also in a stacked lobby.


if you notice he just finds a few townreads and then just more or less trends downhill after that. if they get fossed he'll shield and if someone pushes them he'll vote them. other than that he doesnt go out of his way to fos people, you can see me pressure him for that in both games.

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/31067

this is one scum game u linked, 5 posts into the game he feels compelled to make a sr, and the reasoning is " votes appletini-
Reads to me don't feel real and are just thrown together. She might not care because she's mafia."

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/se ... d=11830862

the other scum game u linked, he again makes a sr based on lvl 0 reasoning "votes awesome 5000- Awesome is doing nothing game related."

if u notice when hes scum, he feels pressured to look like hes contributing and he feels obliged he has to fos someone. he will often do so, and do it very early for very weak reasonings. so yeah, in contrary to most players, outing a few trs early game hes confident in and then coasting is just how LC plays as town.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 2:21 pm Something that came off of that though was Soda's reaction to that. Talking about him leaving me on the back burner as town to push later as scum. As if he actually had it that I was town and shaded Ender for it.
But then he immediately ran back to me being scum, which might've spewed the both of us town with the way he was going about it?

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 10:33 pm You didn't have to read those.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:24 pm

Transcend wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:16 pm brad why are you voting ilario

Because Illario does whatever he can to NOT townread me when he and I are town. Even when I'm obvious as fuck town through a WHOLE game, he'll keep me at null and refuse to move me.
This game he started off with a townread on me. That actually caught me off guard and pinged me.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 7:14 pm Plus you're noticing my reads are off, that's because my reads have BEEN off.

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... IA-WINS%29

This game on my main my legacy reads at the end were "SPF AND CHELSEA TOWN" and hard shielded them.
SPF was town, Chelsea was maf.

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... bed-a-Bank
This game I was on Mystery Player, my legacy reads were "SPF AND DUNYA TOWN" and hard shielded them, including me saying I'd bingewatch a show of Dunya's choosing if she was mafia.
SPF was town, Dunya was mafia and I'm watching Elite on Netflix now.

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... f-the-Rift
This game my legacy reads and my hard shield was on Neopest and I was holding people at gunpoint to townread Katze .
NEO TOWN, KATZE MAF

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... Experiment
This (shitty) game I had both Alexa and Neo town as my legacy reads.
Alexa was town, Neo was maf.


You understand why I'm being so cautious about my reads right now? Any time I spout multiple legacy reads, I've been dead wrong on some of them.

I'm usually right on one player, but the second player I end up being totally wrong and I fuck the town over by hardshielding a wolf.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 9:54 am OKAY SO:

Lime Coke as Blue Kang:

GAME 1:
Lime's Light Matrix 13er: (TOWN)
God townread on Alexa > Defends hard
#139 - Solvy post where he outs reasons on a non-Alexa (LDies - Susses him for reasons that aren't related to going after Alexa)
#234 - Reads Dota town and outlines the thought process. This is in line with the town meta I think I have for LC
I'm going to ignore the aggro in this game as LC has explicitly said they're trying to tone that part down.

GAME 2:
Deck Mafia #002: (TOWN)
#151 slightly solvy on Appel not at the same level.
#164 More of what I expect out of town!LC, solid thought process explained
#298 Directly interacts with Wiml and bounces reads off him, explains his thought process again
#347 Is a bit weaker in terms of explanation but still an attempt to outline thought process.
#361 More explanation again

I'm going to skip lmao is scum.

GAME 3:
Insomnia can't rand noob Vig 10er: (MAFIA)
No real outing of reads thought process.
#106 where he outs townreads without much thought process added.
This feels like kinda a bad game, lemme look for another.

GAME 4:
Arts and Crafts: (MAFIA)
#37 and #38 actually involve attempts to explain the process of how he reaches the reads
Hmmmm
This game actually has some of what I was considering townier of BK. Though it's not as forceful and LC tries to be diplomatic a lot (#517 trying to avoid clashes)

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 7:05 pm I WILL PUT MY RESPONSES IN GIANT BOLD LETTERS TO MAKE THIS EASIER TO READ!!!

Maybe not 200 font, but the 150 seems to work.

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 9:06 am LC ISO:

Spoiler: show

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 7:42 pm I actually don't have a single read yet.

His first non-fluff is saying he doesn't have reads.

Then:

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:19 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:18 pm Whose gonna be your hard-shield this game LC?

You're voting them.

When questioned he puts this up to start shielding Alexa.

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I didn't actually townread Alexa at the time. However you asked the question, I was answering seeing that if I ended up townreading Alexa, which I did about an hour later, I would've hard shielded her like I usually do.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:23 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:20 pm But they were hedgy LC.

That's what's weird I don't really know what there is to hedge yet. Only thing is a townread on me from Mac before she stated that as far as I can see immediately.

Takes my joke super seriously. Sometimes it's a scumtell sometimes not.

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I have the "Take jokes seriously is scummy" policy myself, so I get where you're coming from on this.

But in my response, I didn't think that was a joke post. When you responded with "It was a joke" that was why I responded with "I'm a fucking idiot" because I indeed felt like an idiot and I broke my own rule due to a misunderstanding.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:41 pm

alexa wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:38 pm

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:21 pm Like, she hasn't really done anything that's her town game YET. If Alexa gets going she'll be obvious town.

Everything I do is my town game because I’m town

(I also agree I don’t think I’ve done anything AI yet if someone had a correct read on me it would be surprising or a crapshoot from numbers/probability odds)

Yes, and everyone that is townreading you that's not me has TMI.

I will then tunnel those individuals, and then complain about them once they flip town and take 0 blame.

Then proceed to lead town into an L.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:46 pm

alexa wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:41 pm I don’t think he would like not out a read on me/be hesitant to read me if he was wolfing here, to me it sounds like town who is worried I’m wolf/worried he won’t be able to find me since he worries I’m not as obvious town as the previous times I was town (and I can see him wanting to be able to catch me if I’m wolf too) so I feel his approach me makes sense as a villager

This actually kinda hits it on the head and I'm townreading you now because of that explanation.

Spoiler: show

You gotta flip wolf against me eventually, though.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:49 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:47 pm LC is town, I agree.

If I'm wrong on this it'll be obvious by Day 3.

This is...fucking accurate and I've never actually said anything about this.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:49 pm

alexa wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:47 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:08 pmmac town

I can’t figure out how to multiquote from my phone but pretend I quoted this quote and also you calling wiml town and then Mac wolf

And my response is .... are you going to explain anything?

You have the quote button, then to the right of that is the 2 word bubbles, that is collects for multi-quote.

@alexa

Then this string, which doesn't do a lot.

Focuses on the Alexa read, then helps mech.

Nothing too important.

Then some more non-interactions like:

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:57 pm

Esooa wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:55 pmI'm town

Are you?

And then outs a basic ass townread on me like:

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 9:01 pm

alexa wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:59 pm kind of gut townreading EnderWiggin

Agreeing with you. The "I'll find him by Day 3" post was actually kinda bad ass and towny.

Has some early townreads and interactions, also has a hard-shield player.

He then spends a majority of the next posts defending Alexa from various sussing, then susses Ilario hard.

Then Alison causes a bit of sus to come LC's direction and he fends it off okay.

Just saw that I rate a 7/10 on Alison's scum game quality eval.

Just noting here that I actually feel like I can do better than that. I will either improve or prove that I'm worth of at least a 9/10 some time in the future. /ego

Then a bunch more fluff including great snark at me.

Then:

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 12:55 am I was eating popcorn.

Why does Nanook have a wagon?

Incidentally his first mention of Nanook all game.

A lot more fluff.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 2:32 am Okay but seriously.

Townreads:
Alexa
Esooa
Ender
Nanook
Illario (Sheeping Alexa)


That's all I have currently.

Then finally puts out a general townlist. This is fine.

Then plays HARD shield, which is normally a good look for LC.

THEN gets in a fight with Transcend.

THEN outs this reads list:

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 7:23 pm READLIIIIIIST:


Town:
Alexa
Esooa
Ender
Alison
Illario
Wiml
Mac
Nanook
TSP
Transcend
Maf:

The bottom 3 are more POE.

Which is just hilarious to me.

Then mostly fluff and directly joking with Alexa.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:11 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:06 pm Hi. What is your solve?

Transcend is 1, and the other is either Nanook or maybe TSP?

I don't know the stuff with Mac. Is Mac capable of making that many team solves at once as mafia?

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 10:12 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 6:55 am if wiml is town then esooa/Alison/ilario/transcend contain wolves with ilario/esooa or ilario/Alison or transcend/Alison being the team

if Alison is town its wiml/transcend with esooa as swing

if transcend is town it's just wiml/ilario

if ilario is town wiml is always a wolf

if esooa is town it's wiml/transcend with Alison as swing

I'm talking this type of post, is there a world where Mac makes this post as mafia?

Then moves to this Mac read, this is a little nuanced compared to previous stuff I remember from his wolf game.

Then more fluff and defense of Alexa.

Actually gives solid thoughts on why Alexa is town, but this is not outside LC wolf range.

D2 he actually asks a few questions while continuing with the Alexa shield.

Starts to press Mac hard. Most of the rest of his game is aggro on LC

THIS IS WHERE THE FUN STARTS.

Time to cross-reference.

IN JOATED:
Plays very similar. Outs strong townread and defends. Aggros on some people. Offers some townreads. Generally gets quieter as the game goes.

I actually reckon LC is in his scum range.

In the little town exposure, I've seen him make reads where he explains the reasoning for his decisions, as if showing off the way he's mentally arrived at this thought.

In this game he has only outed townreads, with the only one he's properly explained is his Alexa shield.

This is exactly the same as in JOATED where he only outed reasons for shielding Honey.

Interestingly, I actually think LC's current play is more scum!Indicative of him than town.

Turns out I can change my mind.

Okay, there wasn't much that I could actually respond to? This was mostly commentary. I DON'T know how to respond to commentary.

You say I fell off but I kinda do that as town too? Like Illario said, I start off strong, usually Day 1 I play really well, but by Day 3 or 4 I lose energy, motivation, and interest depending on how well the game is going.

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/th ... f-the-Rift

Another town game I was on my alt Mystery Player, which is not a mystery anymore . I was strong all of Day 1, then Day 2 I hard defend Neo (NEO TOWN!) and go crazy with it (Again I'm trying to calm down), but my energy level went down further and further as the game went on because it was exhausting, and SaraC was annoying me.

I lose steam in games, this game specifically is draining me a bit. Like I said in games that I hard shield Alexa, or others, I end up losing game awareness and I forget most of my reads it's an awful ass habit.

I'll post this for now but I'm going to continue on, give me a few minutes.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 6:49 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 6:48 pm After waking up and catching up, I still don't doubt my LC read tbh.

I mean...there was nothing to really catch up on and I was at work.

What did you expect?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 5:38 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 5:37 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 5:36 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 5:35 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 5:32 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 5:31 pm Wakin up inside

can't wake up

It's freezing right now. Don't want to wake up

...

saaaave me!

Yes I intentionally didn't keep the lyrics going lol

towny tbh

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 5:36 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 5:35 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 5:32 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 5:31 pm Wakin up inside

can't wake up

It's freezing right now. Don't want to wake up

...

saaaave me!

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 5:32 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 5:31 pm Wakin up inside

can't wake up

Wiml wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 10:54 am

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 10:53 am LC's play in the 18er is kinda like his town meta.

Or what I'm calling his town meta at least?

I actually mistakenly said he was in town meta that game lol.

ilario wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 10:35 am

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 9:54 am OKAY SO:

Lime Coke as Blue Kang:

GAME 1:
Lime's Light Matrix 13er: (TOWN)
God townread on Alexa > Defends hard
#139 - Solvy post where he outs reasons on a non-Alexa (LDies - Susses him for reasons that aren't related to going after Alexa)
#234 - Reads Dota town and outlines the thought process. This is in line with the town meta I think I have for LC
I'm going to ignore the aggro in this game as LC has explicitly said they're trying to tone that part down.

GAME 2:
Deck Mafia #002: (TOWN)
#151 slightly solvy on Appel not at the same level.
#164 More of what I expect out of town!LC, solid thought process explained
#298 Directly interacts with Wiml and bounces reads off him, explains his thought process again
#347 Is a bit weaker in terms of explanation but still an attempt to outline thought process.
#361 More explanation again

I'm going to skip lmao is scum.

GAME 3:
Insomnia can't rand noob Vig 10er: (MAFIA)
No real outing of reads thought process.
#106 where he outs townreads without much thought process added.
This feels like kinda a bad game, lemme look for another.

GAME 4:
Arts and Crafts: (MAFIA)
#37 and #38 actually involve attempts to explain the process of how he reaches the reads
Hmmmm
This game actually has some of what I was considering townier of BK. Though it's not as forceful and LC tries to be diplomatic a lot (#517 trying to avoid clashes)

these game are a better depictor of his town game.

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/30377
https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/31177 hes mystery player and also in a stacked lobby.


if you notice he just finds a few townreads and then just more or less trends downhill after that. if they get fossed he'll shield and if someone pushes them he'll vote them. other than that he doesnt go out of his way to fos people, you can see me pressure him for that in both games.

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/threads/31067

this is one scum game u linked, 5 posts into the game he feels compelled to make a sr, and the reasoning is " votes appletini-
Reads to me don't feel real and are just thrown together. She might not care because she's mafia."

https://www.mafiauniverse.com/forums/se ... d=11830862

the other scum game u linked, he again makes a sr based on lvl 0 reasoning "votes awesome 5000- Awesome is doing nothing game related."

if u notice when hes scum, he feels pressured to look like hes contributing and he feels obliged he has to fos someone. he will often do so, and do it very early for very weak reasonings. so yeah, in contrary to most players, outing a few trs early game hes confident in and then coasting is just how LC plays as town.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 10:35 am

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 9:56 am I kinda think LC is wolf. I'm not super confident because the Arts and Crafts did show he can play a decent wolf game, but from ALL of the other wolfgames including JOATED he doesn't show the same solvy approach I see in every one of his town games.

Also Arts and Crafts was a fluke win I didn't play that great of a game. Town ate itself alive starting with the CFD on a town when the wagon was on a maf member Day 1. I should not have won that.