The Syndicate

Even in Shakespeare, LC has #1083. And #1422. And #1736. And #3295.

That being said in Shakespear LC does have a lot less of the "thought process" I notice from his towngame.

But it's still there.

Unlike this game. This game is definitely still making me think more of JOATED play.

ISO links just don't work from MU. Sad days.

Changed to Game Links.

OKAY SO:

Lime Coke as Blue Kang:

GAME 1:
Lime's Light Matrix 13er: (TOWN)
God townread on Alexa > Defends hard
#139 - Solvy post where he outs reasons on a non-Alexa (LDies - Susses him for reasons that aren't related to going after Alexa)
#234 - Reads Dota town and outlines the thought process. This is in line with the town meta I think I have for LC
I'm going to ignore the aggro in this game as LC has explicitly said they're trying to tone that part down.

GAME 2:
Deck Mafia #002: (TOWN)
#151 slightly solvy on Appel not at the same level.
#164 More of what I expect out of town!LC, solid thought process explained
#298 Directly interacts with Wiml and bounces reads off him, explains his thought process again
#347 Is a bit weaker in terms of explanation but still an attempt to outline thought process.
#361 More explanation again

I'm going to skip lmao is scum.

GAME 3:
Insomnia can't rand noob Vig 10er: (MAFIA)
No real outing of reads thought process.
#106 where he outs townreads without much thought process added.
This feels like kinda a bad game, lemme look for another.

GAME 4:
Arts and Crafts: (MAFIA)
#37 and #38 actually involve attempts to explain the process of how he reaches the reads
Hmmmm
This game actually has some of what I was considering townier of BK. Though it's not as forceful and LC tries to be diplomatic a lot (#517 trying to avoid clashes)

Hmm wait it's giving me "Sorry No Matches" if I do it in an Incognito tab.

ilario wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 10:18 am
i clicked the links but its not working?

Copy and paste from a quote? I guess?

I think it should work.

Works for me at least lmao.

Btw hi LC, see you viewing. Sorry to come at you full tilt.

I have confirmed LC is scum to myself.

I'll see y'all in the morning.

Alright, in an effort not to actually tilt or spam I shall end my stuff there for tonight.

Spoiler: show

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 9:57 pm I have Nanook, Ender, and Esooa townread as well.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 2:32 am Okay but seriously.

Townreads:
Alexa
Esooa
Ender
Nanook
Illario (Sheeping Alexa)

That's all I have currently.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 7:17 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 6:07 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 6:05 pm Y'all seriously have to fucking push me at the worst times?

I'm driving now fuck off for a second.
matt's been pushing you from day one

ilario and i commented that your lack of reaction to that is a bit odd but .. it's not really a push, relax
I know Matt has been pushing me all game I just got annoyed with others coming in on that, sorry.

alexa wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 6:48 pm i'm surprised that alison isn't confident LC is town this game if she ranks his scum game a 2 lols
She's seen how bad I play as scum. You can read our maf chat I was literally asking her what to do the ENTIRE game and did draft posts in the chat.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 6:51 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 6:05 pm Y'all seriously have to fucking push me at the worst times?

I'm driving now fuck off for a second.
Theres no hammer today so

Also, like, people push when they push, there's no rule or etiquette that says you have to wait for someone to be online to push them lol
I know, I just got annoyed by that happening right before I leave. I always get pushed at the worst possible times, like when I'm about to go to sleep or about to drive and I'm forced to stay on and defend myself otherwise it looks like I froze and I'm outed because I leave the game when I start being pushed.

alexa wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 6:53 pm @Lime Coke can you explain your townread on Nanook/out an ordered reads' list when you have a chance?
I'll answer the question first;

I started townreading Nanook early for townreading and coming to your defense in the early game. That's actually it, I haven't really read him since then because he was away until today while I was at work so I haven't paid enough attention to his posts.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 7:23 pm READLIIIIIIST:

Town:
Alexa
Esooa
Ender
Alison
Illario
Wiml
Mac
Nanook
TSP
Transcend
Maf:

The bottom 3 are more POE.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 7:30 pm
alexa wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 7:25 pm oh nvm you had ender/nanook town not tsp

alexa wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 7:24 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Fri Jul 30, 2021 7:23 pm READLIIIIIIST:

Town:
Alexa
Esooa
Ender
Alison
Illario
Wiml
Mac
Nanook
TSP
Transcend
Maf:

The bottom 3 are more POE.
wait what changed on TSP/Nanook?
Like I said I noticed the Nanook defense of you early but I can't remember reading him otherwise. Others that are above him I've been reading and been thinking "Okay, they feel pretty towny to me currently."

Hey look, he makes a bunch of reads without much actual reason this game.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:24 pm
Transcend wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 10:16 pm brad why are you voting ilario
Because Illario does whatever he can to NOT townread me when he and I are town. Even when I'm obvious as fuck town through a WHOLE game, he'll keep me at null and refuse to move me.
This game he started off with a townread on me. That actually caught me off guard and pinged me.

This is the closest read he has to a thought process this game.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:34 pm
Transcend wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:31 pm
Lime Coke wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:30 pm
Transcend wrote: ↑Thu Jul 29, 2021 11:27 pm k now brad's starting to towntell but i just wanna see some spicy takes from him this game
It'll get there, I'm building my town core this game but I'm being a bit more careful.
i don't rly associate town!brad w/ being careful

u tend to be pretty loose when ur town and u just out ur thoughts the moment u have them
Well I've had recent games where I've built a towncore that's fucked with mafia members in it. So instead of rushing to conclusions I'm trying to not put town in a shit situation after I die.

Also if he flips mafia this was such a "But my reads have been bad" tell.

The one that I do as town, yes, which is why I didn't call him on it in the first place.

Could I be wrong? Maybe.

Do I feel like I'm wrong? NAH.

Also the "thought process" thing is outside shield.

He always explains his shield meta no matter what side he's on.

Someone hand me a shovel, I'mma bury LC.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 10:07 am
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 10:07 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 10:05 am
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 10:04 am Anyone who wants to chat with me has like, thirty minutes of delirious Ender
why do I play this game?
For the brief moments when you're right and you feel the rush of endorphins that make your life make sense for a little while.

Then the rest of it is chasing those brief moments.
there are surely better ways

There are.

But neither of us choose them.

Like LC in all the town games I see:
"X is my shield."

"Also I think this about Y because they did this."

See the posts I highlighted in my dive.

Also see how each header is a link to the ISO.

Because I'm nice.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 10:05 am
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 10:04 am Anyone who wants to chat with me has like, thirty minutes of delirious Ender
why do I play this game?

For the brief moments when you're right and you feel the rush of endorphins that make your life make sense for a little while.

Then the rest of it is chasing those brief moments.

alexa wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 10:04 am
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 9:54 am OKAY SO:

Lime Coke as Blue Kang:

GAME 1:
Lime's Light Matrix 13er: (TOWN)
God townread on Alexa > Defends hard
#139 - Solvy post where he outs reasons on a non-Alexa (LDies - Susses him for reasons that aren't related to going after Alexa)
#234 - Reads Dota town and outlines the thought process. This is in line with the town meta I think I have for LC
I'm going to ignore the aggro in this game as LC has explicitly said they're trying to tone that part down.

GAME 2:
Deck Mafia #002: (TOWN)
#151 slightly solvy on Appel not at the same level.
#164 More of what I expect out of town!LC, solid thought process explained
#298 Directly interacts with Wiml and bounces reads off him, explains his thought process again
#347 Is a bit weaker in terms of explanation but still an attempt to outline thought process.
#361 More explanation again

I'm going to skip lmao is scum.

GAME 3:
Insomnia can't rand noob Vig 10er: (MAFIA)
No real outing of reads thought process.
#106 where he outs townreads without much thought process added.
This feels like kinda a bad game, lemme look for another.

GAME 4:
Arts and Crafts: (MAFIA)
#37 and #38 actually involve attempts to explain the process of how he reaches the reads
Hmmmm
This game actually has some of what I was considering townier of BK. Though it's not as forceful and LC tries to be diplomatic a lot (#517 trying to avoid clashes)
@EnderWiggin i'm a bit confused on what the conclusion is from this --> this game

In all town games LC shows a sense of "Thought expression" in his reads OUTSIDE his main shield.

This includes explaining his thought process in some posts.

So far this game he hasn't done that.

Arts and Crafts suggests he CAN immitate town game as scum.

However I didn't find a town game where he immitated his lack of thoughts process.

That makes this game scummy.

Anyone who wants to chat with me has like, thirty minutes of delirious Ender

And now I lay me down to sleep, my head to rest, my feet to keep.

Oh god that was bigger than intended.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 9:59 am
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 9:59 am Also anyone else
iso me

It's midnight and I gotta clean up fires tomorrow at work. So nah. You can wait.

I just wanted opinions on my last three hours of my life

Just tagged those two as they are part of the infamous trio and I want their opinions on my meta dissection.

Also anyone else

@ilario

@alexa

Go read my ISO and MU re-read and lemme know what you think.

I kinda think LC is wolf. I'm not super confident because the Arts and Crafts did show he can play a decent wolf game, but from ALL of the other wolfgames including JOATED he doesn't show the same solvy approach I see in every one of his town games.

OKAY SO:

Lime Coke as Blue Kang:

GAME 1:
Lime's Light Matrix 13er: (TOWN)
God townread on Alexa > Defends hard
#139 - Solvy post where he outs reasons on a non-Alexa (LDies - Susses him for reasons that aren't related to going after Alexa)
#234 - Reads Dota town and outlines the thought process. This is in line with the town meta I think I have for LC
I'm going to ignore the aggro in this game as LC has explicitly said they're trying to tone that part down.

GAME 2:
Deck Mafia #002: (TOWN)
#151 slightly solvy on Appel not at the same level.
#164 More of what I expect out of town!LC, solid thought process explained
#298 Directly interacts with Wiml and bounces reads off him, explains his thought process again
#347 Is a bit weaker in terms of explanation but still an attempt to outline thought process.
#361 More explanation again

I'm going to skip lmao is scum.

GAME 3:
Insomnia can't rand noob Vig 10er: (MAFIA)
No real outing of reads thought process.
#106 where he outs townreads without much thought process added.
This feels like kinda a bad game, lemme look for another.

GAME 4:
Arts and Crafts: (MAFIA)
#37 and #38 actually involve attempts to explain the process of how he reaches the reads
Hmmmm
This game actually has some of what I was considering townier of BK. Though it's not as forceful and LC tries to be diplomatic a lot (#517 trying to avoid clashes)

Wiml wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 9:26 am I'm like the youngest person here please don't make me tell you all to behave.

Wiml with quality content.

Wiml wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 9:14 am

I don't mean cases I mean stuff like you accusing me of being opportunistic without trying to understand my perspective at all.

Given that I've burnt you so often as both alignments I feel like you should be caring more.

Easier to vote you out so I don't have to correctly read the person I have struggled most to get accurate. =P

(Memeing here, in case people don't pick that up.)

Actually wait, he was BlueKang in MU right?

I've got actually some WIM tonight (Found all the hidden stuff in Hollow Knight without people telling me what to do and feel pretty proud because I bested my friends on that front, riding the high just a little.)

@alexa

@ilario

Both of you have played more with LC than myself.

Can you remember in previous town games, does he explain more than just his primary shield? Because that's the impression I get from my experience with him.

[VOTE: Lime Coke] aubergine

Wiml wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 9:08 am
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 7:29 am
Wiml wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 7:09 am
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 7:06 am
Wiml wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 5:47 am Ender's reaction to the case on me is really bad.
Are you just going to call everything I do bad?

I honestly can't take your actions in good faith right now.
This is a bad reaction as well.
Yes. Because our interactions so far have been:
Me: "Wiml might be a wolf for vague reasons, don't push it."
You: "What are your reasons? I've been towny!"
Me: "You haven't done any towntells that I don't think you can fake as mafia."
You: "Towntell? I burnt your last towntell in Scythe."
Me: "I don't like that reaction. Eventually back off to put you closer to null as I scumread Mac and others more."

Esooa: "Here's a case on Wiml."
Me: "Hey that justifies my bad feel about his push back on me earlier also I kinda agree with it."
You: "That's a bad case and a bad reaction."

Almost half our interactions have been you reacting to me because I won't townread you.

I don't know whether that's a scum reaction or a town assuming you should be townread, but I'm never going to like 70% of it.

If you're actually town this game, I don't know how to tell you that telling me that you should be townread is never going to work with me.

And I'm trying to be reasonable about this.
It's not that you're scumreading me it's that you're not really putting any genuine effort into reading me and I think that's completely out of character for your town play so far, especially if I'm your top wolf.

It's only out of character for my higher wim moments. My emotive state is entire dependant on how work has gone and how recently I've played D&D or something else fun.

See early on in Basic Mafia where I had low WIM to actually case people.

Or early on in African Bird (Albeit that was 12/12 so different feel)

Not heavily casing people isn't really AI for me. (Self meta to ignore a scumread, that's scummy!)

Time for me to take some time to ISO Alexa.

650+ posts.

Let's drown.

LC ISO:

Spoiler: show

Interestingly, I actually think LC's current play is more scum!Indicative of him than town.

Turns out I can change my mind.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 8:26 am
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 8:24 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 8:22 am
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 8:21 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 8:15 am Ender also has consistently misread me when he has been town against me.
Is this a perspective slip?
omfg i quit mafia that'll do.me
Is this Mac thinking I'm serious with a meme?
this has happened to you more than once this game so maybe you're not as obvious with you memes as you think

Apparently not.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 8:22 am
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 8:21 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 8:15 am Ender also has consistently misread me when he has been town against me.
Is this a perspective slip?
omfg i quit mafia that'll do.me

Is this Mac thinking I'm serious with a meme?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 8:15 am Ender also has consistently misread me when he has been town against me.

Is this a perspective slip?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 8:11 am
ilario wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 8:01 am
ilario wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 8:00 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 7:56 am
ilario wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 7:52 am Also that poe from nanook is just yikes

It shows almost no critical thinking. Seems like he named the slots he felt easiest to yeet. How can he logically have me and tsp in the poe together when tsps only contribution to d1 was to park a vote on me. Also I tried to suggest a tsp wagon eod d1 and nanook defended him, so it’s weird that he poes tsp now all of a sudden
and yet he is making the most challenging read in the game.... Town on me lol

I’ve found u towny more times than Ive found u scummy
And to be quite honest if Alison hadn’t mentioned that you had a big scumrange I’d have probably just kept u as a townread, but I can’t ignore the fact that the two people who know u quite well in this lobby keep calling u scum. I also can’t ignore the fact that when you make reads it really feels like ur just throwing names out there every single time. The amount of times I’ve seen u call someone town only to start pushing them a few pages later is just absurd.

On a surface level ur towny
You say some towny shit
Beyond that I don’t understand what ur gamesolving process has been as it looks like performative and hard to follow
performative and hard to follow is a better descriptor of my town play than wolf play tbqfh

Is that why Esooa townread you in African Birds.

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 8:10 am @EnderWiggin if you want some home work I'm interested in thoughts on Alexa. Like her ISO in general. I think my PoE of 4 does win the game but some extra assurance would be nice

Lime coke if you prefer

I'm gonna sleep soon so I won't be myself right now but I plan to

Working on LC rn.

If I have the WIM for it I'll ISO Alexa after.

Esooa wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 7:52 am I'm gonna feel pretty bad if I'm misreading wiml

Same.

But I'm probably going to make mistakes as I work on improving my play. So.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 7:51 am
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 7:51 am Also I have an LC ISO to check for thoughts.
thank you... I was going to ask.

Had it noted, just needed to catch up and all before I dive that way.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 7:50 am
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 7:50 am
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 6:59 pm I pretty much just want wiml and ilario dead today

Lime is also poe, tsp too, less interested in both

I will hammer anyone tho given the opportunity to

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 8:01 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:46 pm @EnderWiggin @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME got reads on each other?
I've been calling ender town for awhile
Nanook has much more reads.

You even asked for one of them.

Why are you saying Nanook only has one read @MacDougall
I didn't say what you think I said man

Okay yeah I'm dumb.

Just misread that. Nevermind.

Also I have an LC ISO to check for thoughts.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 6:59 pm I pretty much just want wiml and ilario dead today

Lime is also poe, tsp too, less interested in both

I will hammer anyone tho given the opportunity to

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 8:01 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Aug 01, 2021 7:46 pm @EnderWiggin @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME got reads on each other?
I've been calling ender town for awhile

Nanook has much more reads.

You even asked for one of them.

Why are you saying Nanook only has one read @MacDougall

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 7:46 am ilario why is nanook a better slanker chop than tsp?

ironically theyre both townreading me and literally nobody else

I swear I remember Nanook having other reads.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 7:44 am
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 7:43 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 7:41 am
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 7:40 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 7:39 am
EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 7:39 am
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Mon Aug 02, 2021 7:36 am

no ender's just a wolf
Lmao.
wolfy response to being called a wolf
Lmao.
this fucking game man
Watchu mean?
we literally had this conversation 437 pages ago

At least you tried to call it meta.

Which is why you got a response.

@Wiml

Regardless of your alignment, sorry for my lightly heated response.

Will wait for your responses.

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