The Syndicate

If Tess was town:
Why does she care if a wolf is saying something "just wrong"?

People aren't going to re-read it and take it for truth.

tessepia wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 6:29 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 6:27 pm Don't you all love how Tess actually cares about what reads I put into thread because she knows that town still has a ml and therefore my reads might matter.

yeah that's why I care and not cause what you're saying is just wrong

but anyways, how much experience do you have with gavial

Between 5-10 games and a meta-dive of his wolf games.

Don't you all love how Tess actually cares about what reads I put into thread because she knows that town still has a ml and therefore my reads might matter.

I actually have a strong read on one of Tess' partners.

But I'm going to wait until later because part of the read entirely depends on how they treat the first half of this day phase and I don't want to potentially colour that just yet.

Wisp wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 6:24 pm I swear I just got ddos'd holy shit

Get better internet.

Wisp wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 6:17 pm Like I'm not crazy u don't tend to assume the first claim is fake, in most cases? So like idk what the hell town!Arrow is doing here

But arrow is also an enigma, so I don't even know

He knows something of how I play.

Wisp wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 6:14 pm Sorry I was writing while walking

In wolf Alison worlds, at what point does Gavial pushing on Alison start to feel like W/w. Lol

And I was saying that Gavial was defending you for being a PR yesterday

Why would Gavial do that as w/w?

I can point out a game very recently when he hard-tunnelled like this as town.

He can also do it as wolf.

He doesn't do it to his partner D2 as wolf.

I really don't care if people believe me right now but Alison/Gavial is not w/w. If Gavial is wolf then Alison is town.

Honestly I don't think w!Gavial pushes Alison that hard if it's t/t either so I just don't see w!Gavial worlds here.

I want it clear, tomorrow/later whenever I'm proven town since we have a ML so it will always get to that stage:
Gavial is probably town. Gavial is never wolf with Alison.

Btw I'm gonna focus on trying to sort the rest of the game when I get home. I'm not going to bother trying to defend myself/bury Tess because if you guys think coffee-less scum!Ender actually didn't just snap-cc Wilgy who he reckons he can beat in a cc battle and instead picks hard mode vs Tess then idk what to tell you.

tessepia wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 5:25 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 5:24 pm

tessepia wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 5:12 pm why were you going for a w/w check anyways ender, that doesn't really make sense

Because my plan was to last until tomorrow where I could check someone like Gav overnight who I was sure was town.

you thought that was likely?

With how the game was going, definitely possible.

Also if Wilgy/you came up the same I was going to see if I could push one of you and see what happened.

Wisp wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 5:17 pm

tessepia wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 5:12 pm why were you going for a w/w check anyways ender, that doesn't really make sense

Point taken, I would check someone who I'm confident about their alignment, who may or might not die, which would give me a clear check

Extrapolating from unclear data is more fun then turning yourself into a normal cop.

Also back with coffee now. Will be busy with work this morning but be around somewhat.

tessepia wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 5:12 pm why were you going for a w/w check anyways ender, that doesn't really make sense

Because my plan was to last until tomorrow where I could check someone like Gav overnight who I was sure was town.

Gavial wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 4:39 pm Who would have thought the storyteller and the poet weren’t on the same side

I'm sad about this ngl.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 4:35 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 4:34 pm Anyway, I gotta go get ready for work. Needed to put my claim out as soon as I woke up and saw this.

Goodnight dad.

Lmao.

tessepia wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 4:34 pm why did you check who you did

You, because you either die early or live long and dying early means I know what my Parity Colours mean.

DrWilgy because he doesn't die and he was on my list of suspects and I was considering maybe you two were teamed last night due to the way that you ignored the whole Wilgy sus from Luck and all.

Anyway, I gotta go get ready for work. Needed to put my claim out as soon as I woke up and saw this.

Yeah look at me with my sub optimal checks in a cc when you know I could do more with it.

Also I have given checks already.

tessepia wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 4:31 pm I've just seen ender play vigi and let me tell you it's not this

you haven't even given checks

You mean other than the "Intentionally not impacting the game because I'm trying to stay alive as PR"?

Actually that's probably how you worked me out.

tessepia wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 4:30 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 4:30 pm

tessepia wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 4:29 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 4:27 pm Well. Tess knows my PR play I see.

lmao ur outed

Being accused and ccing you is pretty bad move if I was wolf.

Lmao.

I'm just irritated you got Wilgy to claim before I did.

how? it's your only option

If I was wolf I'd cc Wilgy.

Easier CC battle to win.

tessepia wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 4:29 pm

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sun Oct 03, 2021 4:27 pm Well. Tess knows my PR play I see.

lmao ur outed

Being accused and ccing you is pretty bad move if I was wolf.

Lmao.

I'm just irritated you got Wilgy to claim before I did.

Difference between Dr Wilgy and Tess which is useless at this point.

Wilgy, if you'd waited like five minutes you could've stayed hidden lmao.

How the fuck did you do that.

Well. Tess knows my PR play I see.

See the weird thing is that Nanook's kill actually doesn't make a lot of sense even for LC.

There's no way he ignores the people he's more threatened by to kill Nanook.

The rest is a mess this game.

Gira is scum, that's the only read I actually feel confident in.

tessepia wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 10:02 am

Wisp wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 10:00 am

tessepia wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 9:57 am and btw gira literally hasn't done a single thing today except ALSO omgus, onto me, so like, lmao

Go read Artemas foul mafia on MU, and compare First here to that

Here Gira feels like a robot, and he isn't pushing shit really, while in Artemas mafia, his votes were moving freely, he was arguing with people, he was solving things

he has free flowing posts, was thinking about the game, and interacting with a variety of players?

Lmao.

[VOTE: LimeCoke] aubergine

Meh.

Ignore my half asleep brain who didn't remember where you were voting.

Tha'ts a dumb question.

tessepia wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 9:40 am

Luckbox Inc wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 8:52 am Tess still just seems like a wolf.

I thought it was interesting last night how I induced a long post from her and then she instantly got some clears, but producing some ex post facto thought-processes isn't exactly difficult for her, and her D1 was bad and her D2 hasn't been better. Her pushes this game consist of Dizzy and now Gira and that one has been weak, and there has been no villagery energy about her.

Even if she stays on LC and LC flips wolf, I'll just assume they are w/w as Esooa couldn't vote v! Alison here.

enthralling day phase where if I call gira a wolf I get ignored and if I call BK a wolf I get yelled at and called a liar

I've given my reads

Gira is a wolf probably.

Do you think LC is a wolf?

tessepia wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 9:41 am

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 9:34 am Hmmm. That list is a lot better tbh.

he was a wolf that game

Lmao that's even funnier.

Hmmm. That list is a lot better tbh.

[VOTE: unvote] aubergine

I have realised all my evidence of him doing aggro tunnel in my notes are older games.

None of the recent reactions were like this one.

Honestly feeling like I'm lost this game lmao.

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 8:26 am And you didn't address my point that he is less likely to AtE as town because he has been trying to avoid AtEing when he is town recently. That he goes for it as a first resort without hesitation is suspicious.

Lmao.

I did address it.

I pointed out that despite his attempts to minimize his raging he has had consistent emotive responses in both of his two recent towngames.

Please actually read my counterpoints.

Sitting out of it is one shard of a scumread. I don't call out people who sit out on D1 unless their reasoning was egregious and outing. LC's wasn't.

I've sat out of EOD wagons as town tho.

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 8:00 am The way he has handled today has been super bad as well. He has AtE'd heavy, and I know for a fact that he's been trying to avoid AtEing as town so much so it doesn't turn into a trust tell where people tilt him on purpose to get him to rage. That it was the first thing he reached for here is suspect, and smacks of an uncertain scum player going to the quickest and easiest way to get people off his back. His constant refrain that I am attempting to powerwolf kill him and then Wisp makes no sense when I would lose all credibility if he flips town. It's a scare tactic intended to invoke the specter of me snowing you guys under, but doesn't hold up or make sense when it's examined logically. He hasn't really done anything other than scream for my head either, while I've looked at a broad range of issues besides just him. This suggests that he is using his commitment to the thunderdome as a cheap excuse to avoid having to actually solve.

See, this is all nice and logical if you apply it overall to an average player.

But LimeCoke isn't exactly the average player.

So to deconstruct this:
1. I'm going to ignore all the AtE. Because reading him off his AtE has never been effective, and as recently as Cop/Vig 13er on MU and the Constellation Teams game he has aggressively defended his own slot with what could be called AtE. This is something which should be null for him, and I get annoyed when people focus on it for a read. LC is a heavy AtE-er and I can provide more Meta for that then there is drops in the bloody ocean.

2. I don't know how much attention you were paying during Teams game but LC is a well known OMGUSer. Especially when he feels the push on him is unfair or biased he has a tendency to lash out on the person who is pushing him. Perhaps not the healthiest habit still but regardless, this has evidence as well.

3. LC has focused on you, however he has made multiple reads (Most recent being regarding Tess) outside his tunnel. This is consistent with both scum and town meta for him. The "Cheap excuse" reasoning doesn't hold up when he consistently does it no matter his alignment.

4. The only thing that holds water is the "Wisp chaining" argument he's pushing, which has given me a little pause in this. However it's no where near all that the push on him has cracked up to be.

Things he has done that have possibly been regarding his alignment that are scumsided:
1. His opening reads list tended towards less cohesive reads than I see from him as town. Even as BEAR his catchup list was a little more fleshed out. (In one of the games, there was another game where he was a little lacklustre on this as town).

Day 1 his case/push on Gav was more his townplay, but his lack of consistency in pushing it is one of the other things that give me pause.

2. He's played a little hedgier than he can be as town, however he's also recently expressed unsurety so I'm playing around with that as the reasoning.

Like tbh that's the one reason I come back to you Alison. By my reckoning you would know that LC as scum isn't a shy voter.

So why is that the basis of your scumread?

You saw him in Buckets. Scum LC isn't shy of pushing town wagons over the edge.

I don't see why that EOD is that damning tbh.

Town LC has a recent habit of not being super sure of his reads after Alexa snowed him in and his D1 defense was two wolves.

Does Scum Alison actually try and force a tdome right here?

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 7:46 am Ender you're being really foolish right now and overthinking things to a crazy extent

LC played EOD in the scummiest way possible and then the person who wanted his head on a pike died in the night. I've said it before, I'll say it again. You are overthinking it if you're talking about crap like "meta cadence" (whatever the hell that means).

See.

Kills are very rarely that straightforward.

And even if it's LC I doubt "He called for me to be pushed tomorrow" is never something Nanook dies over.

Alison wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 7:48 am

EnderWiggin wrote: ↑Sat Oct 02, 2021 4:28 am There's part of my gut that worries this is t/t

Even if this is T/T you should still vote here. Why? Because in that world it is better to resolve the tdome by force than to let this situation continue onto another day, or worse yet, onto endgame.

I am voting on the tdome tho.

Yeah Basic mafia has a different cadence from Alison.

This game does reflect his first BEAR game which is a slightly reassuring fact.